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Libya air force 'unable to fight'
Air Vice Marshall Greg Bagwell: "Their air force no longer exists as a fighting force"Continue reading the main story
Libya Crisis
Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's air force "no longer exists as a fighting force", the commander of British aircraft operating over Libya has said.
Air Vice Marshal Greg Bagwell said the allies could now operate "with near impunity" over the skies of Libya.
He said they were now applying unrelenting pressure on the Libyan armed forces.
Latest reports say government tanks are shelling the hospital in the rebel-held western city of Misrata.
Witnesses had earlier said the tanks encircling the city had pulled back from their positions under air assault from international forces.
And there are also reports of fierce fighting between rebels and pro-Gaddafi forces in the strategic eastern town of Ajdabiya. Residents fleeing the town described shelling, gunfire and houses on fire.
Wednesday night also saw reports of a huge explosion at a military base in the Tajura region 32km (20 miles) east of the Libyan capital Tripoli.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has again urged Col Gaddafi to step down and leave Libya.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has urged all sides in Libya to cease hostilities. "All those who violate international humanitarian and human rights law will be held fully accountable," his spokesman Martin Nesirky said.
AVM Bagwell was speaking during a visit to RAF aircrew based at Gioia del Colle in southern Italy.
Ian Pannell,
BBC News, Benghazi
Thousands of people gathered on the streets of Benghazi, Libya's second city and the rebels' stronghold, to thank Britain, France, America and others for what they see as their support for the revolution of the east and the protection of civilians from attacks by government forces.
There was condemnation of Russia and China for their abstention from the UN vote and their criticism of alleged civilian casualties.
A separate march by women joined the protest to show solidarity with the people of Misrata, the last city in the west to hold out against constant bombardment by Colonel Gaddafi's troops.
Fighting has continued in both Misrata and Ajdabiya in the east, and people here are calling for more targeted bombing of government troops.
The new authority in Benghazi is struggling to find its feet and their rebel forces are finding it hard to advance against government troops. They may welcome the support of the international community, but they've yet to use it to gain a major advantage against the government that's ruled them for the last four decades.
"We are watching over the innocent people of Libya and ensuring that we protect them from attack," he said.
"We have the Libyan ground forces under constant observation and we attack them whenever they threaten civilians or attack population centres."
His comments come as Nato members debate who should lead the intervention, with the US keen to hand over to Nato.
They were echoed by Rear Admiral Gerard Hueber, US chief of staff for the Libya mission, who said: "We are putting pressure on Gaddafi's ground forces that are threatening cities." Asked if that meant air strikes, he replied: "Yes."
Speaking to reporters by phone from the command ship USS Mount Whitney, in the Mediterranean, he insisted there had been no reports of civilian casualties caused by allied action.
"Our mission here is to protect the civilian populace and we choose our targets and plan our actions with that as a top priority."
He said allied aircraft had flown 175 sorties in the last 24 hours - 113 of them by US aircraft.
Naval blockade
Meanwhile, ships from Nato nations have started patrolling off the Libyan coast to enforce a UN arms embargo against Col Gaddafi's regime.
A spokesman for the Western military alliance, Canadian Brig Gen Pierre St Amand, said six vessels were taking part in the first day of patrols.
They aim to intercept and board ships suspected of ferrying arms to the Libyan government.
The BBC's Ben Brown says several thousand people in Benghazi held a pro-coalition rally
"If, after inspection, doubts remain as to the legitimacy of the cargo, the vessel will be diverted to a designated port for further inspection," said Gen St Amand.
Nato members have been holding talks about assuming responsibility for the no-fly zone over Libya, so far without agreement.
Turkey is an integral part of the naval blockade but expressed concern about the alliance taking over command of the no-fly zone from the US.
US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has arrived in the Egyptian capital Cairo for talks on both Libya and Egypt's hoped-for transition to democracy following the fall of Hosni Mubarak.
He was previously in Moscow, where President Dmitry Medvedev criticised what he called the "indiscriminate use of force" by coalition aircraft in Libya.
Mr Gates rejected the criticism of the air strikes, saying Col Gaddafi was lying about civilian casualties.
Russia abstained from last week's UN Security Council resolution that authorised armed intervention in Libya to protect civilians.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12837330
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2257: Omer, in Tripoli, writes: "I strongly agree with the suggestion to somehow disable Gaddafi's radio and TV stations, because they are fuelling hatred."
2256: Omer, in Tripoli, writes: "I strongly agree with the suggestion to somehow disable Gaddafi's radio and TV stations, because they are fuelling hatred."
2251: Walid Shaari Libya tweets: "#Zintan is in dire need for relief, water, food, fuel&medicine.#prayforlibya #Libya"
2247: Stay with us for the latest updates - reports from our correspondents on the ground, expert analysis, and your reaction from around the world. You can contact us via email, text or twitter. We'll publish what we can.
2242: Libya New Media tweets: "Demonstrations began with firing from Gaddafi forces. The wounded began arriving to the hospital in Zawiyah street."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418
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Libya: Allied air strikes secure Misrata for rebels
Siege ends in key town as bombs destroy Gaddafi's tanks and artillery but regime continue to hold Ajdabiya despite air raids
Chris McGreal in Benghazi, Ewen MacAskill in Washington, and Richard Norton-Taylor
The Guardian, Thursday 24 March 2011
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Civilian refugees flee the eastern Libyan town of Ajdabiya as fierce fighting continues between rebels and forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi. Photograph: Sean Smith for the Guardian
Nearly 12 hours of allied air strikes have broken the Libyan regime's five-day bloody assault on the key rebel-held town of Misrata.
Residents said the aerial bombardment destroyed tanks and artillery and sent many of Muammar Gaddafi's forces fleeing from Misrata, ending a siege and attack by the regime that cost nearly 100 lives from random shelling, snipers and bitter street fighting.
Mohammed Ali, an IT engineer at Misrata's main hospital, said that waves of air strikes began shortly after midnight on Wednesday.
"They bombed a lot of sites of the Gaddafi army. There is a former hospital where his tanks were based. All the tanks and the hospital were destroyed. A column of tanks was destroyed on the edge of the city," he said. "After that there was no shelling. We are very relieved. We are very grateful. We want to thank the world. The Gaddafi forces are scattered around. All that is left is the snipers and our fighters can take care of them."
Ali said people in Misrata wanted the coalition to keep up the air strikes until all Gaddafi's forces were driven away from the town to ensure that those who were able to escape with armoured vehicles and guns did not return.
A doctor in the town, who did not want to be named, said snipers were continuing to sow fear by targeting not only rebels but civilians.
"The sniper problem is a big one. A lot of people are still afraid to leave their homes," he said.
The apparent breaking of the siege will be a blow to the Libyan ruler's attempts to reassert control over the entire west of the country.
It may also serve as a further deterrent, along with the destruction of Gaddafi's tanks, artillery and soldiers that were attacking Benghazi, to those still fighting for the dictator.
But it did not stop the regime's forces from continuing to put up stiff resistance around the strategic town of Ajdabiya in the east, despite repeated coalition bombing raids.
Ali described the past five days of attack on Misrata as "hell".
"It was crazy in the last five days. The hospital was overwhelmed. Ninety four people were killed. Sixty of them were civilians. Whole families were wiped out driving in their cars," he said. "The injured were more than 1,300. About 115 serious cases were kept in hospital. Everyone without life threatening injures was sent home. I've seen people who've just had a leg amputated sent home."
Ali said that the town has had no water or electricity for nine days. The medical centre is running on a generator.
The air strikes in and around Misrata suggest that what appears to be a tactic of Gaddafi's forces to shelter in residential areas, in response to the destruction of tanks and guns on the open desert road near Benghazi, has not provided protection. Residents of the town said that the coalition aircraft managed to destroy the regime's armour without any known civilian casualties.
The revolutionary leadership has said that even if there are civilian casualties, they will be a necessary price to prevent even greater loss of life if Gaddafi's forces had continued their assault on Misrata and exacted revenge against the residents for their support of the uprising.
The US military said that its intelligence showed Gaddafi's forces remained a threat to Misrata as well as remaining entrenched around Ajdabiya, where the regime's fighters have put up sustained resistance for three days despite several air attacks by coalition planes.
Rear Admiral Gerard Hueber, chief of staff of operation Odyssey Dawn, said the coalition would continue its attacks on Gaddafi's ground forces in both places as well as other cities under assault by the regime. Hueber said the air attacks were aimed at preventing the regime's army from entering rebel-held cities as well as cutting supply and communication lines. But he admitted that Gaddafi's forces were making incursions into some cities and targeting civilians.
People fleeing Ajdabiya said that civilians continued to be killed in the town even though most of the residents have left.
Hamad Abdul Rahim drove along a desert track with his mother, wife and children, including two young daughters, crammed into a car to escape the town on Wednesday.
"There was a lot of shelling last night. There are hundreds of Gaddafi men there. Many of them are not from Libya. They are African people. We saw them," he said. "Many people have died. Some were shot on the street by Gaddafi's men."
The regime's army continued to keep the rebels at bay just outside the town with periodic shelling of the revolutionaries' front line, some of it intense. An ambulance driver described carrying away two dead rebels who were on the back of a pick-up truck with a mounted machine gun when they took a direct hit from a shell.
The rebels say they are waiting for allied air strikes to destroy the tanks and artillery Gaddafi has around Ajdabiya before they attempt to take the town.
Gaddafi's forces also kept up their bombardment of Zintan in the west.
"The town is completely surrounded. The situation is very bad," the resident, Abdulrahman, told Reuters by telephone from the town. "They are getting reinforcements. Troops backed with tanks and vehicles are coming. We appeal to the allied forces to come and protect civilians."
Hueber found himself in difficulty when questioned about whether the US was co-ordinating its attacks with rebel forces, which might be in breach of the UN mandate.
Initially, he confirmed that US forces were consulting the rebels about their movements but later in the press conference he backtracked, saying: "I mis-stated that".
He said that the US had communication lines to the Gaddafi regime warning them to pull back their forces.
British aircraft flew over Libya yesterday, but for the second day running took no part in attacks, according to defence officials.
The commander of British aircraft operating over Libya has said that Colonel Gaddafi's air force "no longer exists as a fighting force".
Air Vice-Marshal Greg Bagwell said the allies could now operate "with near impunity" over the skies of Libya.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/23/libya-allied-air-strikes-misrata
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Thanks Carmen.
No one wants to accept responsibility now for heading the campaign, the Americans want to take a back seat, as does NATO, the Arab League is also nervous and Gaddafi will see this as a sign of weakness and use it as propaganda. I think
that despite what the West are saying Gaddafi, still commands support and the Libyans are in the Compound because
they want to be, not because they are forced to be.
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Gaddafi Troops bombing Libyan Hospital. NATO can"t retaliate because their remit is only to protect civilians. I really think they should send in
International Observers , all that"s happening at the moment is the infrastructure of these Cities being decimated and no sign of Gaddafi being toppled.
Gaddafi Troops bombing Libyan Hospital. NATO can"t retaliate because their remit is only to protect civilians. I really think they should send in
International Observers , all that"s happening at the moment is the infrastructure of these Cities being decimated and no sign of Gaddafi being toppled.
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#Gaddafi artillery re-start shelling of #Misurata as civilians take cover
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7:38am
The Washington Post has a nice tick-tock piece on how the US treasury department was able to identify and freeze nearly $30 billion in assets connected to the Libyan regime in around 72 hours - an unprecedented feat in the history of sanctions.
The comments are interesting:
To fight sniper you have to burns tire everywhere to put smoke all the way , burn tire everywhere
marwouan 9 hours ago 8
4:20 telling that gaddafi forces are bombarding the city and the rebels are surronding gaddafi forces in the tripoli street. A witness says that they captured two snipers who are columbian females. 5:40 showing the street at 8:15 pm, March 23, 2011.
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He is saying: 0:17 gaddafi troops are in the tripoli street in Misrata and he is showing the green flag they put on the building, snipers are targeting the hospital. 0:39 showing a sniper right to the black reservoir, then he said the battle is still ongoing and they did not count casualties. 1:17 talking about how only street light was restored to help snipers shoot people. streets are empty because of snipers. 1:58 showing RPG shell and then some shooting. 3:10 he is saying rebels wont giveup
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If anyone is interested in the military ops, this site gives really detailed, daily, de-briefs:
http://cencio4.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/operation-odyssey-dawn-explained-day-5/
The author:
My name is David Cenciotti and I was born in Rome in 1975. I’m a private pilot, a former 2nd Lt. of the Aeronautica Militare (Italian Air Force, ItAF), a journalist and graduate in Computer Engineering.
http://cencio4.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/operation-odyssey-dawn-explained-day-5/
The author:
My name is David Cenciotti and I was born in Rome in 1975. I’m a private pilot, a former 2nd Lt. of the Aeronautica Militare (Italian Air Force, ItAF), a journalist and graduate in Computer Engineering.
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@frasereC4
Daylight airstrikes in Tajoura, Triploi - they must think they are onto Gaddafi. Any word from the Brother leader?
15 minutes ago via TweetDeck
(Ed Fraser, Senior Programme Editor, Channel 4 News/Online)
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12.13pm: The Quilliam Foundation, a counter-extremism thinktank in London, has rubbished Gaddafi's claims that al-Qaida is behind the protests - with some caveats. In a briefing paper released today (pdf), it says:
Since the start of the Libyan uprising, the Gaddafi regime has tried to portray its enemies as being part of al-Qaida or as seeking to establish an 'Islamic emirate' or a caliphate in Libya or in Benghazi. In reality these claims are without any real foundation. That said, the breakdown in Libyan government control over much of Libya, combined with the ongoing fighting in many parts of the country, clearly gives jihadists and extreme Islamists more scope than ever before to operate in Libya. In addition, international military intervention in Libya gives groups like al-Qaida new opportunities to present themselves as defending Muslims against western aggression. These two reasons alone show why the international community should remain alert to the threat of jihadist activities in Libya.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/24/libya-crisis-live-updates
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Hague: libyan forces will cont. to face the full coalition military force if they continue to take part in G's war against his own people
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Hague: thirteen nations have currently deployed aircraft to the region... We want to transition to Nato c&c as quickly as possible.
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4:57pm
Detained government soldiers and suspected mercenaries are kept in a former military prison near Benghazi, now taken over by rebels. Some of the men admit to serving with Gaddafi's forces, but say they had no other choice, but to fire at rebels and civilians during battles for cities in the east of the country:
Abul Majid Mohammed, who served in the Al Fadila Battalion of the army, told Reuters news agency:
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If anybody refused to open fire they would kill them, or burn them alive and on our eyes they killed soldiers who refused to fight.
4:54pm
ABC News reports that the Libyan warplane that was allegedly shot down by French fighter jets today was a "galeb" single-engine military aircraft.
4:12pm
Jordan says its assistance to the international coalition action against the Libyan regime will be solely humanitarian.
Information Minister Taher Adwan told AFP news agency:
We will provide ambulances or humanitarian aid. We will not take part in actions on the ground in Libya
Adwan comment comes a day after British prime minister David Cameron said Kuwait and Amman will provide "logistic contributions".
3:49pm
Six Dutch F-16’s are about to depart from the Netherlands to the Italian island of Sardinia, from where they will be part of the international alliance enforcing the no-fly zone over Libya. The Dutch ministry of defence stresses that the jets will not be used for attack purposes.
3:31pm
A French fighter jet shot down a Libyan warplane violating the no-fly zone over the country, ABC News reports on its website.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-24
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Rob Crilly, Telegraph correspondent, in Benghazi
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If I was Gaddafi, I'd be laying one heck of a minefield beside the Tripoli road out of Ajdabiya - it's what Rommel and Monty would have done
1 minute ago via web
rebels say they approached Gaddafi forces in Ajdabiya to offer surrender, but were fired upon and withdrew #libya
5 minutes ago via web
rebels outside Ajdabiya reckon they are offering Gaddafi forces inside a chance to surrender
about 1 hour ago via web
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Thanks Carmen, politically, this is becoming quite a pass the parcel exercise. Unless you have Observers on the Ground how can you possibly know
who is who from the Air? The U.S.A. doesn"t want to take control, the other big hitters abstained and even Jordan stipulates it will only hep Civilians.
They all know Gaddafi will not surrender and has sons probably capable of taking over, knowing their greatest weapon is Oil.
The remark by one of the Guys saying they had to fight for Gaddafi or they would be shot or burned alive is horrifying.!!!!!!!
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Well, here's a development
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Al Jazeera: Turkish Foreign Minister: NATO has agreed to take control of operations in Libya
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FRENCH JETS SHOT DOWN LIBYAN AIRCRAFT TRYING TO LAND AT MISRATAH AIRPORT
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GUNFIRE INSIDE MISRATAH HOSPITAL
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Badboy wrote:GUNFIRE INSIDE MISRATAH HOSPITAL
Oh dear!!
8:21pm
At least 109 people have been killed in the rebel-held city of Misurata and more than 1,300 wounded in a week of attacks by forces loyal to Gaddafi, a doctor in the city told AFP news agency. The doctor working in Misurata's state hospital said on condition of anonymity:
Attacks by Gaddafi forces since last Friday have killed 109 people and wounded 1,300 others, 81 of whom are in serious condition.
On Thursday alone "four martyrs fell because of sniper fire," he added.
7:37pm
Libyan rebels kill 30 government snipers in Misurata and manage to reach the centre of town, a rebel spokesman told Reuters news agency.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-24
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rebels in benghazi have captured a person who may have involved in some way with shooting of yvonne fletcher
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'Nato To Take Command Of Libya Operations'
Nato is set to take control of military operations in Libya, according to the Turkish foreign minister.
The UK government, along with Washington and Paris, have all agreed the alliance should play a key operational role, but the assent of all 28 Nato states is needed.
Earlier Objections from Muslim Nato member Turkey held up agreement on that role.
Turkey said it did not want Nato to take responsibility for offensive operations that could cause civilian casualties.
But Turkey's foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu said: "Our demands have been met on Libya.
"The operation will be handed over to Nato."
France wants an ad hoc steering group of coalition members, including the Arab League to exercise political control.
All nations are welcome to join, a French presidential source said.
More follows...
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Libya-Turkish-Foreign-Minister-Says-Nato-Will-Take-Command-Of-Libya-Operation/Article/201103415959697?linkedfrom=fb
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INTERVIEW-ICC may open 2nd war crime case against Gaddafi
Thu Mar 24, 2011 7:41pm GMT
* ICC could open second case against Gaddafi
* Prosecutor to update Security Council on May 4
By Ibon Villelabeitia
CAIRO, March 24 (Reuters) - The International Criminal Court prosecutor said on Thursday he would present a case for possible war crimes by Libya's Muammar Gaddafi in May and that he could open a second case to include more recent attacks on civilians.
Luis Moreno-Ocampo, who is investigating Gaddafi, his sons and their inner circle for alleged crimes against civilians by Libyan government forces, said the probe was going well and that so far he had gathered "very good information".
"I will go to the (United Nations) Security Council on May 4 to inform them about the progress of the case and it will be ready by the end of May," Moreno-Ocampo told Reuters in an interview during a visit to Cairo.
Once he presents his case to ICC judges, they will need to decide whether or not to issue arrest warrants.
Moreno-Ocampo said that although his initial investigation centred around killings of civilians by security forces between Feb. 15-26, he could open a second case to include more recent violence as fighting between rebels and troops loyal to Gaddafi broke out.
"I need to focus on what happened during the first 12 days, when unarmed demonstrators were shot. We can confirm this. The next step for us is to learn who was doing the shooting and who ordered the shooting," Moreno-Ocampo said.
"Then I will focus on what happened during the armed conflict. At the begining of March, the Red Cross said the armed conflict started and we agreed with that, so we have to see if there were war crimes committed in those days."
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A U.N. commission mandated by the Geneva-based U.N. Human Rights Council is expected to head to the field in coming weeks to investigate crimes potentially committed in the armed conflict in Libya, and Moreno-Ocampo said he would wait for their report due in June to make a decision on the second case.
Thousands of people are feared dead as a result of fighting between security forces and rebels trying to end Gaddafi's four-decade rule in the oil-producing North African country.
Western warplanes enforcing a U.N. no-fly zone have launched attacks against Gaddafi's forces but his troops have continued besieging rebel-held cities with tanks and snipers.
"All this could amount to war crimes. Attacks on civilians are a war crime," Moreno-Ocampo said. He said the evidence included pictures, videos and testimonies of people who have left the country and have no family remaining in Libya.
"I have to reduce all risks of retaliation to the witnesses. I can take no risk with somebody who has family in Libya, but we are getting very good information."
The ICC is the world's first permanent war crimes court with power to investigate crimes against humanity, war crimes and genocide. It has opened investigations in five African states. (Additional reporting by Aaron Gray-Block in Amsterdam; editing by Mark Trevelyan)
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE72N1N920110324?sp=true
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As a Libyan living in Tripoli, I assure you that no single civilian has been hit by the collation air strikes so far . Please keep bombing. We want Gaddafi out. Please help us achieve that dream
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9.15pm: It's time to close this live blog for the evening. Here's a summary of the most recent news:
• Rebels in Misrata said they killed 30 government snipers and liberated the port from forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, potentially opening up an aid lifeline to the besieged city
• A French fighter jet attacked and destroyed a Libyan military aircraft after it landed at Misrata air force base
• Objections by Turkey appear to have held up an agreement on Nato taking over operational control of military action against the Gaddafi regime from the US
• Syrian army units are reported to have withdrawn from the centre of Deraa after a day of violence left as many as 100 protesters dead in the city
• Yemen's president Ali Abdullah Saleh appeared on television and pledged to transfer power "peacefully," without giving details. His offer was rejected by leaders of Yemen's protest movement
• British foreign secretary William Hague urged all British citizens to leave Yemen "without delay" and has reduced the British embassy in Sana'a to a core staff
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/24/libya-crisis-live-updates
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12:32am
The United Arab Emirates has contributed 12 warplanes to the international no-fly zone over Libya, AFP news agency quotes a US official as saying.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/live-blog-libya-march-25
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Badboy wrote:rebels in benghazi have captured a person who may have involved in some way with shooting of yvonne fletcher
Is that confirmed? Great news if true
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its on news channelspongebob wrote:Badboy wrote:rebels in benghazi have captured a person who may have involved in some way with shooting of yvonne fletcher
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