Could one of Tapas be guilty and the McCanns not know?

Just throwing this in the mix.

Could Madeleine have died in the apartment and been taken away and hidden and an abduction hurriedly and unconvincingly staged BUT the McCanns NOT be involved? Can any timeline support this? Could one or more of the others have done it while on one of their 'checks'?

I'm just trying to think of a scenario which could account for the dogs and a non-abduction but also for the McCanns' dogged insistence on finding her. (Other than them being narcissists, sociopaths etc etc, which I'm not discounting!)

I am rubbish at the timelines though so this may be impossible from any facts that are known?

I think no.

However you can guarantee that this will be on their potential list of excuses.

Loopdaloop wrote:I think no.

However you can guarantee that this will be on their potential list of excuses.

I'd never thought of that.

Loveday wrote:

Loopdaloop wrote:I think no.

However you can guarantee that this will be on their potential list of excuses.

I'd never thought of that.

Rumour has it the Mccann's can trace their ancestry right back to Judas. (however they categorically state that there is no evidence to suggest this...)

No

No, because if that were they case, they would have had every single one of their "friends" thoroughly investigated, and been very public about it. And they haven't.

No, because the McCanns trust their friends implicity. The only way that the McCanns could know for sure that none of their friends had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance, is if they in fact do know exactly what happened to Madleine and who was responsible.

If the McCanns are innocent of any wrongdoing I cannot explain the following comments:

1) Gerry said they considered not going out to eat on May 3rd because they were afraid they might not get a table at the Tapas. This is impossible, given they had a table booked for every evening at 8.30pm.
2) Kate said she'd have never even given a thought to Madeleine's question, 'Where were you last night....etc' if she hadn't been 'abducted' and it was only after Madeleine had been 'taken' that she wondered if it had significance. However - Kate told Fiona about that very comment during dinner on May 3rd, before Madeleine vanished from 5a.
3) Kate claims that before May 3rd, she was known as Kate Healy, not McCann, yet she signed the creche register 'McCann'.
4) Kate claims they took Madeleine back to the creche after her ice-cream on the beach for 'the last hour and a half' yet Madeleine was signed in at 2.30pm.

They know EXACTLY what happened to their daughter but I can't for the life off me think WHY the other couples have helped them cover up what happened.


I wouldn't ....

.......KM had a 'feeling' about the holiday as one off their friends has said YET KM in her book DENIED this and has now made her friend look like a lier.......the same friend who helped cover up along with the others .

No! But I think they need to be put under a lot more pressure and properly interviewed as I think enough of them know the whole truth. Also I dont think they will be in the same mind set as the Mc's might be in terms of getting the story fixed in thier heads - K&G having gone through it all time and time again in rder to pre-empt everything they possibly can including what was written in Kate's booik.

One of these T7, if not more, are the weakest link imo.

NO!
But imo I think that the McCanns are and maybe 4/5 of the Tapas dont know.

kitti wrote:They know EXACTLY what happened to their daughter but I can't for the life off me think WHY the other couples have helped them cover up what happened.


I wouldn't ....

Perhaps whatever happened to Madeleine could implicate the whole group, hence the cover up. They made a Pact of Silence soon after which, to me, implies the group felt bonded together by their knowledge of what had happened but not for other people to know.

I'm leaning towards all the children being in one room together except Madeleine because she was disruptive, so they all knew she was all alone when whatever happened, happened and all bear some of the guilt. Being doctors, perhaps they jointly tried to "fix" things and therefore further implicated themselves. Just my opinion. ETA, though why they couldn't just come clean and admit to an accident is a puzzle.

dazedandconfused wrote:I'm leaning towards all the children being in one room together except Madeleine because she was disruptive, so they all knew she was all alone when whatever happened, happened and all bear some of the guilt. Being doctors, perhaps they jointly tried to "fix" things and therefore further implicated themselves. Just my opinion. ETA, though why they couldn't just come clean and admit to an accident is a puzzle.

Because no body = no post mortem, and anything else that "might" be discovered therefrom.....

dazedandconfused wrote:I'm leaning towards all the children being in one room together except Madeleine because she was disruptive, so they all knew she was all alone when whatever happened, happened and all bear some of the guilt. Being doctors, perhaps they jointly tried to "fix" things and therefore further implicated themselves. Just my opinion. ETA, though why they couldn't just come clean and admit to an accident is a puzzle.

But if this were so, would they really just stand by and say nothing while the McCanns Fund continues to rake in donations from the public on the back of a hoax. Its not as if this group were close friends, some of them hardly knew each other.

Autumn wrote:

dazedandconfused wrote:I'm leaning towards all the children being in one room together except Madeleine because she was disruptive, so they all knew she was all alone when whatever happened, happened and all bear some of the guilt. Being doctors, perhaps they jointly tried to "fix" things and therefore further implicated themselves. Just my opinion. ETA, though why they couldn't just come clean and admit to an accident is a puzzle.

But if this were so, would they really just stand by and say nothing while the McCanns Fund continues to rake in donations from the public on the back of a hoax. Its not as if this group were close friends, some of them hardly knew each other.

But didn't they hand over the money they made from the out of court settlement to the Fund? If they really were casual acquaintances, one wonders why they felt they had to do that. Obviously there's something that keeps them all towing the abduction line and I still think most of the tapas group know what happened and it's something that makes them perpetuate the myth of the abduction.

kitti wrote:They know EXACTLY what happened to their daughter but I can't for the life off me think WHY the other couples have helped them cover up what happened.


I wouldn't ....

I agree, WHY would they cover for them??!

Velvet wrote:

kitti wrote:They know EXACTLY what happened to their daughter but I can't for the life off me think WHY the other couples have helped them cover up what happened.


I wouldn't ....

I agree, WHY would they cover for them??!

They probably would if they shared the same sins...

Claudia79 wrote:

Velvet wrote:

kitti wrote:They know EXACTLY what happened to their daughter but I can't for the life off me think WHY the other couples have helped them cover up what happened.


I wouldn't ....

I agree, WHY would they cover for them??!

They probably would if they shared the same sins...

Yes Il go with that too Claudia. I don't see it as the others covering for the McCanns, its more likely they are all protecting themselves.

dazedandconfused wrote:I'm leaning towards all the children being in one room together except Madeleine because she was disruptive, so they all knew she was all alone when whatever happened, happened and all bear some of the guilt. Being doctors, perhaps they jointly tried to "fix" things and therefore further implicated themselves. Just my opinion. ETA, though why they couldn't just come clean and admit to an accident is a puzzle.

Thats a very good angle. The only way all of them could have formed the pact is if they felt it (I mean the drugged child waking up and smashing her head on the floor behind the back of the settee) could have happened to any one of them. That would have been their initial thoughts.

On top of that they would have known about the IVF and how (on paper) 'important' all the children were to the Mccann's.
Thirdly they would all be distinctly aware of the amount of work and education it took to become doctors and wouldn't want one of their own to jeopdise it.
I can only think their rationale must have been that whatever happened nothing they did could bring maddie back, they would have thought that no matter what Gerry and Kate would be tortured and punished enough by what happened and nothing good could have come from the truth being outed. It would have made G and K's lives worse. This is I think the thought process for the joint enterprise.

However I doubt they all would know the extremes they've gone to now!

Claudia79 wrote:

They probably would if they shared the same sins...

Indeed!

dazedandconfused wrote:I'm leaning towards all the children being in one room together except Madeleine because she was disruptive, so they all knew she was all alone when whatever happened, happened and all bear some of the guilt. Being doctors, perhaps they jointly tried to "fix" things and therefore further implicated themselves. Just my opinion. ETA, though why they couldn't just come clean and admit to an accident is a puzzle.

This is the theory that I am leaning towards now as well. It explains not only how Madeleine could have been heard crying for 1 hr 15 min by Mrs. Fenn, but also why the friends might be willing to go along with the coverup. If the friends were concerned that Madeleine had been disrupting the other children so they could not sleep, and then encouraged Kate to put Madeleine in her own apartment (to be monitored by a possibly faultly monitor), they could feel that it was their fault if Madeleine met her demise whilst unattended. Sedation is still a possibility as well.

I am of the opinion that the mccanns know exactly what happened to Maddie.I am also of the opinion that most ,if not all,the 'tapas' parents were of the habit of sedating their children in order to enable their own holiday enjoyment.
The evidence,such as it is,suggests nothing but this to be the case.

Before the cadaver dog alerted to a dead body in 5a you would have to suspect(if you were the mccanns) one if not all of the tapas,in the tapas rogatorys, we hear that the paynes bonded the group together & most of the group knew k & g through them,so i cant see how the mccanns could say that they trusted "their friends" implicitly...if a mild work acquaintance offered to check on my children i would feel very uncomfortable,also if one of the group later...much later, said 'that she had seen a man carrying a child'...alarm bells would be deafening

Once the dog alerted & with the time of gerrys then kates checking,then the friends involvement without them knowing is probalbly safe to say not

No, but I don"t think ALL the tapas Group knew what went on.These are rumours but could be true.

1. That Oldfield went back to Portugal to change his statement.

2. That David Payne was asked to perform a tracheotomy on Madeleine about 6.30pm.....the time Gerry asked him supposedly to check on
whether the children wanted to come down to the Tennis Court.

3. David Payne says he was in 5a for 30 minutes, even mentioning the 3 children etc, Kate says he was there for 30 seconds.

4. According to the Chairmans Report on the NSU Accounts the tapas 7 made "a donation", probably £1000 each not the £35,000 they
were each awarded.