Re: Himself/something about the stolen wallet

**Panda** Thu 12 Jan - 11:54

jeanmonroe wrote:Gerry MCann's blog 2007.06.29 Day 57
Early rise this morning dropping off and picking up good friends from the
airport. One of our friends from Amsterdam, who has been actively
campaigning to publicise Madeleine's DISAPPEARANCE,

Surely Gerry meant to say,

"publicise Madeleine's ABDUCTION, AB..bloody...DUCTION!"

Thanks jeanmonroe, well they were certanly not short of visitors during their prolonged stay in PDL, who were the Friends "actively campaigning to
publicise , did they ask the local T.V. to broadcast, the press to publish?supporters to put up posters?

**margaret** Thu 12 Jan - 11:57

Well l've found Dr.Gerald McCann to be telling the truth, the Renault Scenic hired 1/9/2007 says his address is Queeniborough. why had he never got round to changing his address?? Very important to do that!

Himself/something about the stolen wallet - Page 2 Carhireagree

Himself/something about the stolen wallet - Page 2 Carhireagree

**kitti** Thu 12 Jan - 12:09

What date did they hire the car?

**Panda** Thu 12 Jan - 12:43

margaret wrote:Well l've found Dr.Gerald McCann to be telling the truth, the Renault Scenic hired 1/9/2007 says his address is Queeniborough. why had he never got round to changing his address?? Very important to do that!

Crikey MARGARAET......GOOD SLEUTHING. Himself/something about the stolen wallet - Page 2 307691

I think they had moved to Rothley a Year before the holiday, very remiss of Gerry, strange .

**Keela** Thu 12 Jan - 13:36

Personally I would have thought that a year was sufficient time to have the address on your driving licence changed. Why did he
not do this, he is supposedly so organised and precise!

Autumn Thu 12 Jan - 13:39

Panda wrote:
margaret wrote:Well l've found Dr.Gerald McCann to be telling the truth, the Renault Scenic hired 1/9/2007 says his address is Queeniborough. why had he never got round to changing his address?? Very important to do that!

Crikey MARGARAET......GOOD SLEUTHING.

I think they had moved to Rothley a Year before the holiday, very remiss of Gerry, strange .

Yes good find Margaret Himself/something about the stolen wallet - Page 2 944533

**Panda** Thu 12 Jan - 13:42

Keela wrote:Personally I would have thought that a year was sufficient time to have the address on your driving licence changed. Why did he
not do this, he is supposedly so organised and precise!

Ah Keela, that"s only when he is planning a Wider Agenda and setting up a Fund , paypal account and Bank account with the speed of light. Himself/something about the stolen wallet - Page 2 25346

Himself/something about the stolen wallet - Page 2 25346

**kitti** Thu 12 Jan - 13:58

The car was hired before September,wasn't that when wright was put on the agreement.

When was the exact date they hired the car?

**kitti** Thu 12 Jan - 14:01

28th may they hired the car, 25 days after Madeleine went missing.

19th June he is reporting that his wallet was stolen.

How was he allowed to drive round with a licence with the wrong address on, surely he KNEW it was the wrong address, he has known for the past year YET still didn't change it to his new address.

Very odd ..

Guest Thu 12 Jan - 14:07

It's an Offence not to notify DVLA.

Mind you, it pales into insignificance compared to everything else.

Loopdaloop Thu 12 Jan - 14:11

kitti wrote:28th may they hired the car, 25 days after Madeleine went missing.

19th June he is reporting that his wallet was stolen.

How was he allowed to drive round with a licence with the wrong address on, surely he KNEW it was the wrong address, he has known for the past year YET still didn't change it to his new address.

Very odd ..

Unless he was still living there? Either for purposes of being nearer to his work place or because Him and Ms Healy were drifting apart previously?

Edite: I've been attempting to look up that address on google maps / google street view to see what it looked like but for some reason I can't find it.
is it a fake address or is it deliberately manipulated to be difficult to find?

**Panda** Thu 12 Jan - 14:14

kitti wrote:The car was hired before September,wasn't that when wright was put on the agreement.

When was the exact date they hired the car?

Kitti , Michael Wrighr is named additional Driver on the Agreement on 1.9.2007

**Panda** Thu 12 Jan - 14:21

Loopdaloop wrote:
kitti wrote:28th may they hired the car, 25 days after Madeleine went missing.

19th June he is reporting that his wallet was stolen.

How was he allowed to drive round with a licence with the wrong address on, surely he KNEW it was the wrong address, he has known for the past year YET still didn't change it to his new address.

Very odd ..

Unless he was still living there? Either for purposes of being nearer to his work place or because Him and Ms Healy were drifting apart previously?

Loopdeloop........the McCanns had lived in Rothley I think for a year before the Holiday and would have had to sell the Queniborough house because the
one they have now is much more expensive,

Edite: I've been attempting to look up that address on google maps / google street view to see what it looked like but for some reason I can't find it.
is it a fake address or is it deliberately manipulated to be difficult to find?

Loopdaloop Thu 12 Jan - 14:22

With regard to the stolen wallet and the 30 euros, did I read somewhere once on here about the significance within the freemasons of an old story they use of someone having their wallet stolen and 30 pieces of gold or silver being returned to them? Is that on this forum? I'm sure I haven't made it up!

almostgothic Thu 12 Jan - 14:26

The End Is Nigh wrote:It's an Offence not to notify DVLA.

Mind you, it pales into insignificance compared to everything else.

It does indeed.

And yet, it may be an example of how he regards rules, regs and laws of the land - ie that they don't apply to him.

Unless of course, as Loopdaloop speculates, the earlier residence was being retained as a pied a terre for whatever reason ...

**Keela** Thu 12 Jan - 14:33

almostgothic wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:It's an Offence not to notify DVLA.

Mind you, it pales into insignificance compared to everything else.

It does indeed.

And yet, it may be an example of how he regards rules, regs and laws of the land - ie that they don't apply to him.

Unless of course, as Loopdaloop speculates, the earlier residence was being retained as a pied a terre for whatever reason ...

He does have this idea that God is his right hand man so the laws of the land won't apply to him. He thinks he is fireproof, which up to now he has been. Let's see what happens after the libel trial.

**Panda** Thu 12 Jan - 14:38

The Queniborough house was definitely sold, because the Rothley one was purchased for over £400,000.

I remember a poster on here telling us that the Mortgage on the Rothley House was with Northern Rock and a couple of years ago the McCanns moved it to
HSBC, I think the Poster worked in one of the Companies.

I assume the NR Mortgage was Interest only because we know they were hard up and had two payments of £2000 out of the Fund. When they received
the Daily Express reward, my guess is they paid a tidy sum off the Mortgage , maybe interest as well for cancelling the Contract and moved to HSBC
because the Government was taking over Northern Rock and they didn"t want details of their account there to be known.

**Christine** Thu 12 Jan - 15:19

McCann got his licence back + 30 euros..... any mentioning of the Maddie photos??? Or was that not important anymore?

**ann_chovey** Thu 12 Jan - 15:55

Christine wrote:McCann got his licence back + 30 euros..... any mentioning of the Maddie photos??? Or was that not important anymore?

Apparently the photos were returned.

http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com/2011/06/wallet-histrionics-no-recent-image-of.html

Three favourite pictures of Madeleine McCann have been returned to her father
Treasured photos of Madeleine McCann stolen from her father have been returned.

Gerry McCann, 39, was distraught when a thief took his wallet from his back pocket during a brief trip to London a fortnight ago.

As well as cash and cards, it contained his three favourite pictures of four-year-old Madeleine. They have never been seen in public and there are no copies.

But after Mr McCann and his wife Kate made an emotional appeal for its return, the wallet and photos were sent anonymously to their home in Rothley, Leicestershire.

Yesterday a friend returned them to a "delighted" Mr McCann in Portugal at the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, where Madeleine was snatched from her bed on May 3.

Brian Kennedy, Madeleine's great uncle, said: "Either someone with a conscience has realised who they stole it from, or it was discarded by the thief and sent to us by someone who found it.

"It's a bit of good news, which we haven't had for some time."

matthew Thu 12 Jan - 16:01

You would think the picture of madeleine by the... church in pdl? would have been distributed as a recent photo to help the 'search'

**T4two** Thu 12 Jan - 16:14

Loopdaloop wrote:With regard to the stolen wallet and the 30 euros, did I read somewhere once on here about the significance within the freemasons of an old story they use of someone having their wallet stolen and 30 pieces of gold or silver being returned to them? Is that on this forum? I'm sure I haven't made it up!

Hmmm.... getting into those pesky freemasons again - but you're right about the 30 Euros
Excerpt from the 14th Level
The legend is carried further by the linking of the site of the Temple of Enoch with the Potter’s Field, the Field of Blood bought with the thirty pieces of silver, and finally its use as a burial ground by the Knights Hospitaller and later generations.

http://www.bluecob.com/FFTM/?page_id=350

NoStone Thu 12 Jan - 16:23

T4two wrote:
Loopdaloop wrote:With regard to the stolen wallet and the 30 euros, did I read somewhere once on here about the significance within the freemasons of an old story they use of someone having their wallet stolen and 30 pieces of gold or silver being returned to them? Is that on this forum? I'm sure I haven't made it up!

Hmmm.... getting into those pesky freemasons again - but you're right about the 30 Euros
Excerpt from the 14th Level
The legend is carried further by the linking of the site of the Temple of Enoch with the Potter’s Field, the Field of Blood bought with the thirty pieces of silver, and finally its use as a burial ground by the Knights Hospitaller and later generations.

http://www.bluecob.com/FFTM/?page_id=350

I suppose someone could have bought a plot of land for sale as either a building plot or garden (as in allotment type) burried a body and sealed the gates - never for anyone to enter or dig said plot!!!?? Hmmmnnnn!!

NoStone Thu 12 Jan - 16:53

margaret wrote:
Autumn wrote:Extracts from Gerry McCann's blog, with relevant sections highlighted

Gerry MCann's blog 2007.06.29 Day 57
Early rise this morning dropping off and picking up good friends from the airport. One of our friends from Amsterdam, who has been actively campaigning to publicise Madeleine's disappearance, dropped in to see us for a couple of hours since he is on a golfing trip in the Algarve.
Our friends brought back my wallet which had been returned, needless to say minus the Sterling, although all my cards and €30 were still in it! It is good to have my driving license back and one or two other important things.

He didn't go to Amsterdam those friends came to him as they were in the Algarve on a golfing holiday.Wonder what 'friends' bought his wallet back, the same one from Amsterdam? It's ambiguous, although the wallet did supposedly go to his old address was that an Amsterdam one?

As for the photos of Madeleine being 'irreplaceable' all photos are replaceable since they're took on digital cameras, and to be printed have to be downloaded on a computer.

What wonderful friends - brought out their golf clubs so they could spend day after day beating down the undergrowth helping G & K search for Madeleine!!

What do you mean No!??? You mean a young girl was missing and these friends just golfed the days away - wined and dined each evening no doubt! Tach! Call themselves friends??? Which brings us to a point - DID any of K&G's friends actually go out to Portugal to assist with a physical search or was everyone that went out there - family included - just there to observe and mill around??

**kitti** Thu 12 Jan - 17:37

Free holiday....and what's the betting it all came out off the Fund.

**margaret** Thu 12 Jan - 18:48

Tell you something else strange about these car hire forms....

James Gorrods hire agreements are in there (he was the man questioned about having a child seat in a car which he returned to airport on 6/5/07 - alledgedly the child seat wasn't in it when it was hired)

The first form is a Europcar one listing his address as Egham Avenue, Exeter (2 streets away from where Jane Tanner & Russell O'Brien lived)

Himself/something about the stolen wallet - Page 2 11_VOLUME_XIa_Page_2737

Himself/something about the stolen wallet - Page 2 11_VOLUME_XIa_Page_2737

The second form is the one where they take your drivers licence details, his address is listed as Knox House, London

Himself/something about the stolen wallet - Page 2 11_VOLUME_XIa_Page_2729

Himself/something about the stolen wallet - Page 2 11_VOLUME_XIa_Page_2729

Why was his drivers licence listed as him living somewhere else? That's both him and Gerry who haven't informed the DVLA they've moved addresses??

Article where it says James Gorrod lives near Tanner
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-475126/Sickened-parents-Madeleine-McCann-showdown-Portuguese-police.html

The Gorrods, who knew one of the couples on holiday with the McCanns, joined the search for Madeleine in the hours following her disappearance in May.

But three months later, the solicitor found himself under investigation and his Portuguese rental car being impounded for examination.

This led to speculation that a 'mystery' Briton might be linked to Madeleine's disappearance.

But Mrs Gorrod described the speculation as "ridiculous" and said detectives had cleared them of any involvement.

Her husband is said to have come under suspicion at a car hire office when he returned his vehicle two days after Madeleine went missing.

It is understood staff at the Sixt car hire office at Faro Airport thought it odd that a man on his own was returning a car with a rented baby seat.

The staff's concerns were farcical and could easily have been checked out, say the couple, because Mr Gorrod had dropped his family and luggage at the entrance to the busy airport before returning the car.

But the hire firm reported its concerns to police and waited to be contacted.

Astonishingly, it took three months for police to ask for the blue Opel Corsa, which had been rented out to at least six more customers since then, to be examined.

Yesterday, Mr Gorrod was revealed to be the mystery British driver being sought for questioning by the Policia Judiciaria.

He immediately issued a statementproclaiming his innocence and insisted a British detective had told him he had 'nothing to worry about'.

He said: "A British police officer directly liaising with the Portuguese investigation team recently contacted me to eliminate the vehicle I hired for the holiday.

"The car has been identified and I have been told by the British police officer that he has no plans to interview me or my family.

"We are of course deeply saddened by Madeline's disappearance and hope for her safe return."

Mr and Mrs Gorrod already knew two of the McCann group, Dr Russell O'Brien and his partner Jane Tanner because they live two streets away in Exeter and have a child of the same age.

But the Gorrods said they did not know they would be in the same resort and they did not travel with the Mark Warner holiday company or stay at the Ocean Club apartments.

During the week in Praia da Luz, they are said to have 'occasionally' bumped into their friends but never met Gerry and Kate McCann.

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