US ambassador and 3 staff killed in Libya over film insulting Islam

WAS THIS CONCERNING THE PROGRAMME BY TIM HOLLAND OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
CH4 CANCALLED A DO WITH ISLAM;THE UNTOLD STORY

The situation in the Middle East is very dangerous now, not just in Libya. Apparently it was on youtube , probably taken off now.

It's still there on YouTube.

The movie trailer they're killing over has been there since July 2nd

Well Iv'e just watched it and it really is a disgusting video made by amateurs and should never have been put on youtube . I hope the American makers and Actors are now ashamed that it cost 4 lives. The reaction of the Muslims in Libya was used as an excuse to fuel the tension but went too far.

I expect the participants in the Film and the Maker will be traced by the U.S. and youtube should withdraw it immediately before any muslims in another Country get any ideas.

Panda wrote:Well Iv'e just watched it and it really is a disgusting video made by amateurs and should never have been put on youtube . I hope the American makers and Actors are now ashamed that it cost 4 lives. The reaction of the Muslims in Libya was used as an excuse to fuel the tension but went too far.

I expect the participants in the Film and the Maker will be traced by the U.S. and youtube should withdraw it immediately before any muslims in another Country get any ideas.

Panda it is an amateur film, made by one man. Whatever insults there are to Islam, there is no excuse here to kill anyone.

AnnaEsse wrote:

Panda wrote:Well Iv'e just watched it and it really is a disgusting video made by amateurs and should never have been put on youtube . I hope the American makers and Actors are now ashamed that it cost 4 lives. The reaction of the Muslims in Libya was used as an excuse to fuel the tension but went too far.

I expect the participants in the Film and the Maker will be traced by the U.S. and youtube should withdraw it immediately before any muslims in another Country get any ideas.

Panda it is an amateur film, made by one man. Whatever insults there are to Islam, there is no excuse here to kill anyone.

Yes I know, but many Muslims in the Middle East do not value life at all or they wouldn't be dying in their thousands and seeing their Cities destroyed and Families in refugee camps. Their way of life is quite alien to us , but look at the damage the West has done by invading these Countries on the pretext of getting rid of a Dictator, they have made the situation worse.

I HEARD,METHINKS,THAT IT SUPPOSEDLY W AS MADE BY PASTOR JONES

Badboy wrote:I HEARD,METHINKS,THAT IT SUPPOSEDLY W AS MADE BY PASTOR JONES

What do you mean Badboy??

Panda wrote:

Badboy wrote:I HEARD,METHINKS,THAT IT SUPPOSEDLY W AS MADE BY PASTOR JONES

What do you mean Badboy??

YOU KNOW THE PASTOR WHO SAID HE WOULD PUBLICY BURN A QURAN,I GOT IMPRESSION IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH HIM,IT APPEARS THAT IT MIGHT BE SOMEONE ELSE.
CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HALF THE VIDEO IS ABOUT
SOMEONE AT US MILITARY DID CONTACT VIDEO MAKER WARNING THEIR COULD BE PROBLEMS .

Panda wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

Panda wrote:Well Iv'e just watched it and it really is a disgusting video made by amateurs and should never have been put on youtube . I hope the American makers and Actors are now ashamed that it cost 4 lives. The reaction of the Muslims in Libya was used as an excuse to fuel the tension but went too far.

I expect the participants in the Film and the Maker will be traced by the U.S. and youtube should withdraw it immediately before any muslims in another Country get any ideas.

Panda it is an amateur film, made by one man. Whatever insults there are to Islam, there is no excuse here to kill anyone.

Yes I know, but many Muslims in the Middle East do not value life at all or they wouldn't be dying in their thousands and seeing their Cities destroyed and Families in refugee camps. Their way of life is quite alien to us , but look at the damage the West has done by invading these Countries on the pretext of getting rid of a Dictator, they have made the situation worse.

I appreciate all that Panda, but there is still no excuse for killing simply because some amateur made a very bad film about Mohammed.

Badboy wrote:

Panda wrote:

Badboy wrote:I HEARD,METHINKS,THAT IT SUPPOSEDLY W AS MADE BY PASTOR JONES

What do you mean Badboy??

YOU KNOW THE PASTOR WHO SAID HE WOULD PUBLICY BURN A QURAN,I GOT IMPRESSION IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH HIM,IT APPEARS THAT IT MIGHT BE SOMEONE ELSE.
CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HALF THE VIDEO IS ABOUT
SOMEONE AT US MILITARY DID CONTACT VIDEO MAKER WARNING THEIR COULD BE PROBLEMS .

The Pastor is American and lives there. This video on youtube , don't know who produced it, but it is very offensive and would obviously upset Muslims. The Americans have proved not exactly diplomatic abroad, waterboarding prisoners, one Soldier on a solo killing spree at a village one night, etc, alltheir efforts in the Middle East has made matters worse. It's like a domino effect watching all these middle east wars destroying their homes and infrastructure , the refugee camps overflowing and a big problem for the host Countries.

AnnaEsse wrote:

Panda wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

Panda wrote:Well Iv'e just watched it and it really is a disgusting video made by amateurs and should never have been put on youtube . I hope the American makers and Actors are now ashamed that it cost 4 lives. The reaction of the Muslims in Libya was used as an excuse to fuel the tension but went too far.

I expect the participants in the Film and the Maker will be traced by the U.S. and youtube should withdraw it immediately before any muslims in another Country get any ideas.

Panda it is an amateur film, made by one man. Whatever insults there are to Islam, there is no excuse here to kill anyone.

Yes I know, but many Muslims in the Middle East do not value life at all or they wouldn't be dying in their thousands and seeing their Cities destroyed and Families in refugee camps. Their way of life is quite alien to us , but look at the damage the West has done by invading these Countries on the pretext of getting rid of a Dictator, they have made the situation worse.

I appreciate all that Panda, but there is still no excuse for killing simply because some amateur made a very bad film about Mohammed.

Of course it's not but these are probably rebels , not educated people who live primitive lives by our standard and have

little regard for human life. I'm not condoning it , but can see how offensive that video would be to a devout muslim.

Panda wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

Panda wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

Panda wrote:Well Iv'e just watched it and it really is a disgusting video made by amateurs and should never have been put on youtube . I hope the American makers and Actors are now ashamed that it cost 4 lives. The reaction of the Muslims in Libya was used as an excuse to fuel the tension but went too far.

I expect the participants in the Film and the Maker will be traced by the U.S. and youtube should withdraw it immediately before any muslims in another Country get any ideas.

Panda it is an amateur film, made by one man. Whatever insults there are to Islam, there is no excuse here to kill anyone.

Yes I know, but many Muslims in the Middle East do not value life at all or they wouldn't be dying in their thousands and seeing their Cities destroyed and Families in refugee camps. Their way of life is quite alien to us , but look at the damage the West has done by invading these Countries on the pretext of getting rid of a Dictator, they have made the situation worse.

I appreciate all that Panda, but there is still no excuse for killing simply because some amateur made a very bad film about Mohammed.

Of course it's not but these are probably rebels , not educated people who live primitive lives by our standard and have

little regard for human life. I'm not condoning it , but can see how offensive that video would be to a devout muslim.

Yes, that's the scary part of all this, how an offended 'devout Muslim,' can behave.

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Thursday, September 13, 2012

An anti-Muslim film that has been blamed for the attacks on U.S. embassies in Egypt, Libya and Yemen is likely a contrived fraud designed to stir up unrest in the Middle East while shielding the true reasons behind the murder of Ambassador Chris Stevens.

A trailer for the film, entitled The Innocence of Muslims, has been on You Tube for over two months. Despite the alleged film maker’s claim that the movie was funded by rich Jewish donors to the tune of $5 million dollars, it has all the quality of a low budget film school project. The trailer has now been banned in several middle eastern countries, including Egypt and Afghanistan.

Indeed, the full film itself may not even exist, a doubt that has also been shared about the existence of its shadowy director Sam Bacile, who told the Associated Press this week that he was a 56-year-old “Israeli Jew” who lives in California, despite telling actors on set that he is Egyptian, while others have claimed he is an American.

Bacile claims he made the film to illustrate how “Islam is a cancer, period.”

However, numerous authorities have failed in attempting to locate a ‘Sam Bacile’ residing in California. Bacile is likely a pseudonym for the only real person who has been positively connected with the movie – Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a 55-year-old Coptic Christian living in California who was convicted for federal bank fraud in 2010.

The movie itself – or the 14 minutes of it which have been released – is also highly suspect. Actors involved in filming were told “they were appearing in a film about the life of a generic Egyptian 2,000 years ago.” Following the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, all 80 cast members put out a joint statement stating that they were misled by the producer.

“The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer. We are 100% not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose,” the statement says. “We are shocked by the drastic re-writes of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred.”

The film has been purposely dubbed and edited to elicit maximum outrage from Muslims. The Prophet Muhammad is depicted as a pedophile, a homosexual, a religious phony, a philanderer, a womanizer and a bloodthirsty dictator.

During dialogue, the actors words have been crudely dubbed to include references to Muhammad that were not in the original script.

As Cindy Lee Garcia, an actress involved in the movie, told Gawker, “In the script and during the shooting, nothing indicated the controversial nature of the final product. Muhammed wasn’t even called Muhammed; he was “Master George.”

“The words Muhammed were dubbed over in post-production, as were essentially all other offensive references to Islam and Muhammed,” writes Adrian Chen.

For example, at 9:03 in the trailer, the words “Is your Muhammed a child molester?” are heard, yet the actress’ voice has been dubbed as her lips do not form the word “Muhammed”.

As the Christian Science Monitor summarizes, the film looks like, “it could have been ginned up by someone sitting a basement with cheap dubbing software.”

Everything about the movie suggests it was a contrived fraud to artificially manufacture unrest in the middle east at a time where speculation that the U.S. and Israel are about to launch military interventions in Iran and Syria is rife.

The amateurish nature of the film may be a ruse to deflect suspicion away from its true purpose and the real identities of its creators.

“Those sniffing the air properly smell some sort of intelligence/influence operation in the whole situation,” writes Daniel McAdams, comparing the film to Kony 2012. “A purposely bad cover for what happened in Benghazi yesterday? A badly done attempted cover for what happened yesterday? Arabs — even Muslim Brotherhood — looking to score points by blaming “wealthy Jews” for making the film? A power struggle between Islamist factions in Egypt? Israelis attempting to make it look like Arabs made a crudely anti-Semitic cover story for a crude film?”

What’s known for sure is the fact that the establishment media has seized upon the movie as an excuse to explain away the attacks on the embassies in Cairo and Benghazi as just another instance of extremist Muslims getting riled up over nothing in particular.

Subsequent reports confirmed that the attacks were coordinated well in advance of the release of the Arabic version of the trailer this week and had nothing to do with the film, but the media immediately ran with that narrative.

This conveniently disguises the true narrative behind the attacks, which is the fact that the United States and other NATO powers are seeing their chickens come home to roost having armed and empowered Al-Qaeda affiliated Islamic extremists in pursuit of regime change, most notably in Libya where the removal of Gaddafi was achieved via NATO’s support for the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group – which is listed as a terrorist organization by the State Department and was responsible for killing U.S. troops in Iraq.

Given that these same militants are now being used by Gulf states and NATO powers in a bid to topple President Bashar Al-Assad in Syria, their connection to the embassy attacks must be downplayed. This was evident when NATO stooge Ali Aujali, Libya’s Ambassador to Washington, ludicrously claimed that Gaddafi loyalists were responsible for killing Ambassador Stevens.

With embassies in Yemen, Tunisia and other countries now coming under siege, the mass media’s promotion of what would otherwise have been an obscure, ineffectual and downright laughable 14 minute You Tube trailer has now created a crisis that threatens the stability of the entire region.

The bizarre circumstances behind The Innocence of Muslims, its shadowy creators and the deliberate attempt to manipulate the film to offend Muslims clearly suggests that the whole farce was a contrived set-up to inflame tensions in order to justify an acceleration of U.S., Israeli and NATO aggression across the Middle East and North Africa.

http://www.infowars.com/is-muhammad-movie-a-contrived-fraud/

AnnaEsse, I think ever since the Americans invaded Iraq they stirred up a Hornet's nest and keeping calling any protester a Member of Al Queda or the Taliban. Now Israel is trying to get them involved over their claims about Iran . With the Western World population decreasing and the Middle East increasing there will come a time when they rule the world.

A TAXI DRIVER ASKED ME WHAT I THOUGHT(HE THOUGHT MUSLIMS SHOULD GO BACK TO THEIR COUNTRIES AND KEEP THEIR STRANGE TRADITIONS BACK WHERE THEY CAME FROM),ALSO TOLD HIM THAT THE FILM MUHAMMAD IS DESRIBED AS A CHILD MOLESTER WHICH SURPRISED HIM.
ALSO TOLD HIM THAT MUSLIMS WERE CALLED MY BROTHER A KIFFAR(SP?),ASKED IF MY BROTHER WAS BLACK,I SAID BROTHER WAS WHITE