Re: Why would the" Government /Home office ram home the abduction facade"

**snowflake** Thu 27 Sep - 20:02

Good evening
It was not my quote/topic/belief/view

It was pennylane's on a thread that has now gone.
I wondered how two doctors could force the government to "ram home the abduction facade."
After reading the posts im still none the wiser.

**AnnaEsse** Thu 27 Sep - 20:49

snowflake wrote:Good evening
It was not my quote/topic/belief/view

It was pennylane's on a thread that has now gone.
I wondered how two doctors could force the government to "ram home the abduction facade."
After reading the posts im still none the wiser.

I think that if we knew why the government was trying to push the abduction facade the case would be close to being solved.

**snowflake** Thu 27 Sep - 21:11

Have you ever thought that they believe that Madeleine was indeed abducted and want to help?
Or is that thought too difficult to believe?

**AnnaEsse** Thu 27 Sep - 21:25

snowflake wrote:Have you ever thought that they believe that Madeleine was indeed abducted and want to help?
Or is that thought too difficult to believe?

It would be easy to believe if there was any kind of credible evidence for an abduction.

**snowflake** Thu 27 Sep - 21:38

But two successive governments, the home office, NSY must think there is.

good night.

**AnnaEsse** Thu 27 Sep - 21:41

snowflake wrote:But two successive governments, the home office, NSY must think there is.

good night.

There's no 'must,' about it. We really don't know what those successive governments really think. We don't know either what conclusions SY may come to, be coming to.

**malena stool** Thu 27 Sep - 21:57

snowflake wrote:But two successive governments, the home office, NSY must think there is.

good night.

I'm sorry snowflake, but any Parliamentarian, Home Office employee or Police Officer employed in a responsible position and believes the abduction story to be a factual and credible 'thesis' is working well above his/her ability level and needs to seek help.

Guest Thu 27 Sep - 23:02

snowflake wrote:Interested in why?

I don't believe that they are "ramming home the abduction facade". I think they are being very non-committal.

cherry1 Thu 27 Sep - 23:04

snowflake wrote:Have you ever thought that they believe that Madeleine was indeed abducted and want to help?
Or is that thought too difficult to believe?

Police Officers work on FACTS, no credible police officer is going to believe that Madeleine was
abducted when there are no facts which indicate that possibility.

There are however numerous facts to suggest that the parents know what happened.

Police Officers will be going through the various statements which dont add up!!!

They will be watching every interview, reading Kate's book, going through statements with a fine tooth comb and highlighting all the discrepancies!

There is plenty of information out there, much of which has been mentioned on this forum about the interference of the governments in this case and for those who find it too difficult to believe that the governments can be involved in coverups there is plenty of info out there on the abuse of children in childrens homes, Operation Ore, Jersey, Hollie Grieg etc.,

**Badboy** Thu 27 Sep - 23:20

IT WAS ONCE BY ANOTHER POSTER THAT A BUSINESSMAN CONTACTED FOREIGN OFFICE AND CM WAS DESPATCHED BECAUSE BUSINESS MAN DIDN'T WANT HIS PRESENCE IN PDL TO BE KNOWN,SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WONDER WHO STAYED IN 5H OR IS IT 5J?

cherry1 Thu 27 Sep - 23:22

I remember it was mentioned he was a CEO or high up in a Company I think
in London.

Also dont forget the boats that left PDL at that time and who one was allegedly registered to.

Loopdaloop Fri 28 Sep - 0:54

Ignoring all the snowflake nonsense as work for him/her must be very slow....

This 10th -13th Tapas member issue is very interesting! I've never heard it before!
I wonder if any Journo's within any news organisations have some information which they might want to allude to within a blog post at some point soon... !

What is the rationale behind this btw, if there is one?

Another question; why would the Mccann's not have a baby monitor if all their friends did...
I'm inclined from reading this to think that they did!

just came across an interesting article from the dinosaur media when they could write their thoughts

Why aren't the McCanns more keen for their friends to speak out on their behalf?

They are the key witnesses to Madeleine's disappearance - the friends of Kate and Gerry McCann who could help unlock the mystery of what happened that fateful night.
But despite their knowledge they have strangely said virtually nothing in four months.
As the McCanns embarked on a global publicity campaign to find their daughter, the group of friends closest to the couple - and who were dining with them on May 3 when Madeleine vanished - were reluctant to talk.
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SILENT: Rachael Oldfield, Dr Fiona Payne and Dr Russell O'Brien, who were with the McCanns in Portugal
Read more...
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That was only too evident when there was a report that a female member of the close-knit group might have seen Madeleine being carried away from the family's holiday apartment.
It was said the witness had become racked with guilt because, thinking the toddler was the man's own child, she had made no attempt to stop him.
She reported her sighting to Portuguese detectives but, despite the massive media campaign, refused to talk publicly about what she had seen.
Anxious to confirm the report at the time, The Mail on Sunday asked one of the McCanns' friends, Dr Fiona Payne, for an interview.
Initially she strongly indicated that she was prepared to talk to this newspaper but changed her mind when the McCanns inexplicably advised her against it.
Dr Payne and her husband David, a senior research fellow at Leicester University, and Mrs Payne's mother Dianne Webster had been dining with the McCanns at the tapas bar near their apartment when Madeleine vanished.
The Paynes have two children, but were said to be the only ones in the group using a baby monitor that night.
They were among those who stayed on in the Algarve to support the McCanns for several weeks after Madeleine's disappearance.
Dr Payne has made no ontherecord comments apart from saying people should not attach "any significance" to claims against the McCanns being reported in the Portuguese press.
Dr Russell O'Brien, who also dined with the McCanns that night, has only said that suggestions that Kate and Gerry had been involved were "completely untrue and extremely hurtful".
He is understood to have left the table some time after 9pm to attend to his own daughter, who had become ill with vomiting.
Another member of the McCanns' party, recruitment consultant Rachael Oldfield, has supported the couple and also told people to ignore what they read in Portuguese newspapers.
In the first week of the investigation, a doctor at whose Midlands surgery Kate McCann worked as a part-time locum told The Mail on Sunday he wanted to offer £100,000 for information leading to Madeleine's safe return.
The wealthy GP, who is also a property developer, asked to remain anonymous. He became emotional as he told our reporter that Madeleine's disappearance had reminded him of when his brother's daughter had once gone missing for 20 minutes.
But later he oddly became reluctant to discuss the matter and became hostile towards approaches from this newspaper.
The doctor's wife expressed fears that if his identity was revealed, his wealth might encourage somebody to take their three young daughters hostage for ransom.
She claimed her husband had to take a week off work because his surgery had been besieged by calls from the media.
Yesterday, the doctor and his wife refused to comment on the latest developments in the case.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-480807/Why-arent-McCanns-keen-friends-speak-behalf.html#ixzz27iYcykqX
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I wonder who this mystery doctor was! I imagine it would be easy to track down as if you knew the doctors surgery that kate was a locum at you could use the internet time tunnel to look at the surgery website around that time at the members of staff there.

Loopdaloop Fri 28 Sep - 1:00

Badboy wrote:IT WAS ONCE BY ANOTHER POSTER THAT A BUSINESSMAN CONTACTED FOREIGN OFFICE AND CM WAS DESPATCHED BECAUSE BUSINESS MAN DIDN'T WANT HIS PRESENCE IN PDL TO BE KNOWN,SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WONDER WHO STAYED IN 5H OR IS IT 5J?

Do you think that Alex Woolfall was there then?
Alex Woolfall is the only person with the connections and the ability to stay out of the picture at that point in time.
He was working closely with Gordon Brown at that point in time wasn't he.... He's a master spin doctor.

Guest Fri 28 Sep - 7:28

Loopdaloop wrote:
Badboy wrote:IT WAS ONCE BY ANOTHER POSTER THAT A BUSINESSMAN CONTACTED FOREIGN OFFICE AND CM WAS DESPATCHED BECAUSE BUSINESS MAN DIDN'T WANT HIS PRESENCE IN PDL TO BE KNOWN,SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WONDER WHO STAYED IN 5H OR IS IT 5J?

Do you think that Alex Woolfall was there then?
Alex Woolfall is the only person with the connections and the ability to stay out of the picture at that point in time.
He was working closely with Gordon Brown at that point in time wasn't he.... He's a master spin doctor.

He certainly is, and unlike the pink ponce, he's remained quiet and unobtrusive. Like all good spies. That's what makes him so good - and so dangerous. Nobody even realises he's there, spinnig away behind the scenes.

**mara thon** Fri 28 Sep - 11:19

snowflake wrote:Have you ever thought that they believe that Madeleine was indeed abducted and want to help?
Or is that thought too difficult to believe?

snowflake can you tell us of any case of a missing or genuninely abducted child in past years where the government has immediately sent it's own spokesperson to "assist" the parents? Can you tell us of any other case where millions of tax payers money and a team of detectives have been given by the government to do a "review"? Do you have any ideas of just why the government should do this when the parents have made millions out of the public and certain well known celebrities? Can you tell us why other families whose children disappear or are kidnapped don't get the same help? Can you explain to us just why the Mccanns ever changing stories have never been challenged by the authorities? There are many many questions to ask but for some reason they never seem to be asked by the authorities, perhaps you could tell us why.

Guest Fri 28 Sep - 12:38

Not Born Yesterday wrote:There are rumours that there was at least one other member of the party who got the hell out of there to avoid being questioned but whether that's true or not, who knows. What is certain is that, right from the start when the most obvious solution was that a child had simply wandered off, the amount of help from high-ranking government officials is completely unprecedented.

There never has been a case before like it and I doubt there ever will be again. As time has gone on and it has become clear that the abduction story is just that - a story - we can only wonder why the British government has chosen to support it.

Of course, politicians have always been known to be economical with the truth themselves!

Your post Mara Thon reflects what I said earlier. The motley band of trolls, the nice but dim brigade and wind-up merchants can't be expected to know why the powers that be have fallen over themselves to help the McCanns but it would be interesting to hear their theories as to the reason for it. After all, their saintly hero Gerry has said that he has no problem with people putting forward theories!

**mara thon** Fri 28 Sep - 12:55

Not Born Yesterday wrote:
Not Born Yesterday wrote:There are rumours that there was at least one other member of the party who got the hell out of there to avoid being questioned but whether that's true or not, who knows. What is certain is that, right from the start when the most obvious solution was that a child had simply wandered off, the amount of help from high-ranking government officials is completely unprecedented.

There never has been a case before like it and I doubt there ever will be again. As time has gone on and it has become clear that the abduction story is just that - a story - we can only wonder why the British government has chosen to support it.

Of course, politicians have always been known to be economical with the truth themselves!

Your post Mara Thon reflects what I said earlier. The motley band of trolls, the nice but dim brigade and wind-up merchants can't be expected to know why the powers that be have fallen over themselves to help the McCanns but it would be interesting to hear their theories as to the reason for it. After all, their saintly hero Gerry has said that he has no problem with people putting forward theories!

Indeed it would be good, or at least interesting, to hear the theories of some of those who think the Mccanns are saintly beings. One other question I meant to ask snowflake was just why the government deemed it necessary to have this extremely expensive "review" when the Mccanns themselves have made an enormous amount of money out of people and have "evidently" spent an enormous amount of money on "crack" detectives, who have obviously come up with absolutely nothing. Why are the Mccanns not paying for this "review" themselves and don't other families in similar situations have the same rights to government help? Have you, or anyone else for that matter, ever known a government fly so quickly to the defence of two, basically child neglecting, people? I certainly haven't.

**malena stool** Fri 28 Sep - 15:34

mara thon wrote:
Not Born Yesterday wrote:
Not Born Yesterday wrote:There are rumours that there was at least one other member of the party who got the hell out of there to avoid being questioned but whether that's true or not, who knows. What is certain is that, right from the start when the most obvious solution was that a child had simply wandered off, the amount of help from high-ranking government officials is completely unprecedented.

There never has been a case before like it and I doubt there ever will be again. As time has gone on and it has become clear that the abduction story is just that - a story - we can only wonder why the British government has chosen to support it.

Of course, politicians have always been known to be economical with the truth themselves!

Your post Mara Thon reflects what I said earlier. The motley band of trolls, the nice but dim brigade and wind-up merchants can't be expected to know why the powers that be have fallen over themselves to help the McCanns but it would be interesting to hear their theories as to the reason for it. After all, their saintly hero Gerry has said that he has no problem with people putting forward theories!

Indeed it would be good, or at least interesting, to hear the theories of some of those who think the Mccanns are saintly beings. One other question I meant to ask snowflake was just why the government deemed it necessary to have this extremely expensive "review" when the Mccanns themselves have made an enormous amount of money out of people and have "evidently" spent an enormous amount of money on "crack" detectives, who have obviously come up with absolutely nothing. Why are the Mccanns not paying for this "review" themselves and don't other families in similar situations have the same rights to government help? Have you, or anyone else for that matter, ever known a government fly so quickly to the defence of two, basically child neglecting, people? I certainly haven't.

Yes mara thon, there are lot of parents with missing children who would love to see a similar government response to the McCanns 'piteous' pleas for help apply to their own missing child. They will all wonder why such intense support has been heaped on the McCanns, especially as Kate, 'Madeleine's devoted mother,' deliberately impeded the Portuguese investigation without any show of remorse. (This is an episode of Madeleine's disappearance which screams out for urgent investigation and not a mere review).

Many parents have perhaps posed the question of government support to our leaders and rightly so, but with the media presenting only what they are instructed we are never likely to be made aware.

Sadly one mother who sorely needed a similar input from government was the late Winnie Johnson, who went to her grave never knowing where her son, Keith Bennett was buried. (Nice one Blair, Brown and Cameron).

Kerry Needham might justifiably press for a review, but sadly living as an unmarried mother on a Yorkshire Council Estate, doesn't quite have the same attentive ring as does two doctors living in a secluded cul de sac in a rural Leicestershire village.... (Whether or not they were out jollying when she 'vanished' or impeded the investigation doesn't seem to cut any ice with our 'Honourable' leaders).

SteveT Fri 28 Sep - 15:40

I'm convinced the McCanns have some pretty serious dirt on someone with the cross party support they seem yo have.

**Panda** Fri 28 Sep - 17:21

As I have mentioned before, it was said that Gerry is a Fund Raiser for the Labour party which is how he was socialising with the Blairs and Browns. When the news broke about Madeleine missing, Tony Blair immediately phoned John Buck asking him to go to PDL. Gordon Brown would have asked Mitchell to act as PR , not necessarily because he feared the McCanns were guilty of harming Madeleine but knew the fact they had left the children alone every night would have harmed their image so he protected them from day 1 by having Mitchell as their mouthpiece. I seem to remember Rachel Mapilly was phoning the Press and Philomena was giving interviews within days. If Madeleine was abducted this would have jeopardised any negotiations with the Abductors., which at this stage was believed.

**Badboy** Fri 28 Sep - 17:22

Loopdaloop wrote:
Badboy wrote:IT WAS ONCE BY ANOTHER POSTER THAT A BUSINESSMAN CONTACTED FOREIGN OFFICE AND CM WAS DESPATCHED BECAUSE BUSINESS MAN DIDN'T WANT HIS PRESENCE IN PDL TO BE KNOWN,SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WONDER WHO STAYED IN 5H OR IS IT 5J?

Do you think that Alex Woolfall was there then?
Alex Woolfall is the only person with the connections and the ability to stay out of the picture at that point in time.
He was working closely with Gordon Brown at that point in time wasn't he.... He's a master spin doctor.

NO
SOMEONE ALSO SAYS THAT IN THE EARLY DAYS,THEY HEARD ON NEWS(MENTIONED ONLY ONCE)THAT THERE IS A COURT INJUCTION FORBIDDING MENTION OF PERSON WHO WAS THERE.

mollydog Sat 29 Sep - 10:07

Read "Truthformadeleine.com/2012/01"" Gerry`s Tunnel Vision"... Interesting Reading Could be True..

**Krisy22** Sat 29 Sep - 10:33

cherry1 wrote:
snowflake wrote:Have you ever thought that they believe that Madeleine was indeed abducted and want to help?
Or is that thought too difficult to believe?

Police Officers work on FACTS, no credible police officer is going to believe that Madeleine was
abducted when there are no facts which indicate that possibility.

There are however numerous facts to suggest that the parents know what happened.

Police Officers will be going through the various statements which dont add up!!!

They will be watching every interview, reading Kate's book, going through statements with a fine tooth comb and highlighting all the discrepancies!

There is plenty of information out there, much of which has been mentioned on this forum about the interference of the governments in this case and for those who find it too difficult to believe that the governments can be involved in coverups there is plenty of info out there on the abuse of children in childrens homes, Operation Ore, Jersey, Hollie Grieg etc.,

Well said Cherryxx my thoughts exactly.

Oldartform Sat 29 Sep - 11:00

mollydog wrote:Read "Truthformadeleine.com/2012/01"" Gerry`s Tunnel Vision"... Interesting Reading Could be True..

Yep, before reading that article some months ago, I often thought it has to be some sort of dirt on someone more protected than a government minister - so one obviously thinks a buck house connection or even a still living ex-prime minister (which would threaten national security).

But the only problem with this is that I`m sure GM would have been swiftly eliminated as well unless he has covered his back by arranging an exposure in the event of his death. Besides .... the cover-up over Diana`s death is already well proven (but obviously not in the official sense) by investigative author Jon King who can be seen discussing it on Theo Chalmers programme "On The Edge" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I5MLFwS6fQ

If there was an establishment figure that left the OC on the 3rd, our security services would have rapidly descended on the OC and made sure all traces were eliminated. Maybe this is why a D notice has been slapped on anything to do with H.E. and his association with K.H. - these two are in the know imo.

**tanszi** Sat 29 Sep - 11:04

not of this world at the moment Oldartform too early in day, who is H E please.

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