Eerie Comparisons?

On Saturday I was watching Investigation and Discovery channel on Sky and there was a programme on all about JonBenet Ramsey. The similarities between the behaviour of the Ramseys and the Mccanns is uncanny. The Ramseys complained on the treatment they received from the police and the press, they refused to answer questions until certain of their demands were met ( sound familiar??). John Ramsey kept looking down in interviews and the film of them attending the funeral, he was behind Patsy but was smirking. If anyone gets the chance to see this prog, do so.

Uncanny:
Try FREEDOMLAND (mother's 'confession')
Baby Grace. (Riley Ann Sawyers)
She, the mother, also said Zeigler picked her daughter up by her hair, threw her across the room, which caused her to slam her head into the tile floor
“She didn’t have control of her legs"
They cleaned her body with bleach, to remove all traces of their DNA, and dumped her at sea.

Sound familiar?

ETA: LOTS of SEA around PDL!
"Gerry went out again at 4am with his friend David Payne"

Re the Ramsey case, I agree there are some similarities with the way that the parents behaved - in particular, Patsy didn't do herself any favours with her arrogance. It's hard to feel sorry for someone when you're itching to thump them!

There are crucial differences though; the obvious one is that JB's body was found in the house (so no chance of any fund-raising) and that is what is so weird. Why would whoever killed her (whether it was a family member(s) or an intruder) leave the body there?

The case also didn't receive the worldwide in-your-face publicity that the McCanns did. I didn't even know about it until three years later when I happened to see an American magazine somewhere.

I watch a lot of solved crime programmes on YouTube (avoiding those presented by the dreadful Keith Morrison!) and needless to say the vast majority of victims were killed by someone they knew well.

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Re the Ramsey case, I agree there are some similarities with the way that the parents behaved - in particular, Patsy didn't do herself any favours with her arrogance. It's hard to feel sorry for someone when you're itching to thump them!

There are crucial differences though; the obvious one is that JB's body was found in the house (so no chance of any fund-raising) and that is what is so weird. Why would whoever killed her (whether it was a family member(s) or an intruder) leave the body there?

The case also didn't receive the worldwide in-your-face publicity that the McCanns did. I didn't even know about it until three years later when I happened to see an American magazine somewhere.

I watch a lot of solved crime programmes on YouTube (avoiding those presented by the dreadful Keith Morrison!) and needless to say the vast majority of victims were killed by someone they knew well.

I watch a lot of those too and one thing so many have in common is the suspects taking polygraphs and the police placing great store by the results.

There is a new magazine out called Wonderpedia. It has a big article this month on "what makes a sociopath". I will try and copy some of it when I am back on my laptop.

The Ramseys were eventually exonerated.

I wonder how hard it is to plant someones dna on a victim,the dna of some complete random stranger ? Just a thought which hopefully the police had covered,just asking thats all.

Are you thinking of the tiny speck found on the body which to date hasn't been identified?

If there's any truth in programmes like CSI, I'm sure that DNA evidence can be manipulated.

There will I think always be doubts about the Ramseys' innocence, no matter that they have been cleared.

I'd love to hear what their now adult son has to say about the events of that fateful night. I wonder if he could have been involved and his parents tried to protect him.

Yes nby,i am thinking of the unknown dna which was found on the body which i understand was instrumental in 'clearing' the Ramseys.

My understanding is also that the dna in question is constantly checked for a 'match' in the criminal data base and as yet no match has been found.

Very odd case.

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Are you thinking of the tiny speck found on the body which to date hasn't been identified?

If there's any truth in programmes like CSI, I'm sure that DNA evidence can be manipulated.

There will I think always be doubts about the Ramseys' innocence, no matter that they have been cleared.

I'd love to hear what their now adult son has to say about the events of that fateful night. I wonder if he could have been involved and his parents tried to protect him.

I too would like to hear from Burke Ramsey, Jon Benet's older brother. I remain highly suspicious of Mr. and Mrs. (now deceased) Ramsey's role in this tragedy. While the official word is that they were exonerated in the murder, I believe they were involved in covering up and misleading police regarding the infamous kidnapping note. I was highly skeptical of their behaviour from day one and remain so today.

AnnaEsse wrote:

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Re the Ramsey case, I agree there are some similarities with the way that the parents behaved - in particular, Patsy didn't do herself any favours with her arrogance. It's hard to feel sorry for someone when you're itching to thump them!

There are crucial differences though; the obvious one is that JB's body was found in the house (so no chance of any fund-raising) and that is what is so weird. Why would whoever killed her (whether it was a family member(s) or an intruder) leave the body there?

The case also didn't receive the worldwide in-your-face publicity that the McCanns did. I didn't even know about it until three years later when I happened to see an American magazine somewhere.

I watch a lot of solved crime programmes on YouTube (avoiding those presented by the dreadful Keith Morrison!) and needless to say the vast majority of victims were killed by someone they knew well.

I watch a lot of those too and one thing so many have in common is the suspects taking polygraphs and the police placing great store by the results.

Innocent people ALWAYS demand polygraphs! They have no use in the court of law, but they are useful in helping to keep the investigation on track. If the McCanns had voluntarily submitted to these tests and passed, then the PJ would likely not have spent so much time investigating them and resources would have been directed toward finding an "abductor". Further, polygraph tests help in the court of public opinion. Money would have been flowing in much more freely had the McCanns followed up with their promise to take the lie detector tests.

There was speculation that the speck could have been completely innocent, perhaps from whoever packed the clothing at the point of manufacture.

There was also an older half-brother, age about 21 I think, whom some reports said was at the house for Christmas though this may not have been true.

This is a link to the first part of an analysis of the ransom note.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPhHR0KXiKg

It was written on a pad and with a pen found inside the house and the writing was similar to Patsy's though couldn't be said to be hers conclusively.

In the absence of a conviction i do not see how you can clear/exonerate anyone who hasn't got a watertight alibi.
Same as the mccanns,despite the dreams of the pro's they have not been cleared/exonerated of anything.

The ransome money matching the exact amount in the ramseys account has always baffled me.

kitti wrote:The ransome money matching the exact amount in the ramseys account has always baffled me.

Exactly; the kidnapping note demanded money which equalled what Mr. Ramsey had recently received as a Christmas bonus.

Another thing that I found suspicious right from the start was that Mrs. Ramsey claimed she awoke early the morning after Christmas to find Jon Benet "missing". When the police arrived she was in full makeup and wearing the party atire she wore the previous evening at a Christmas Day party which took place at a friend's house. That alone suggested to me she had been up all night composing the kidnapping note, several attempted versions of which were found in a wastebasket as well as the final one which was found on the staircase.

The marker on Jon Benet's grave indicates her death as Christmas Day, December 25, 1996 which would further indicate the parents knew she died the night of Christmas and not some time after midnight. As I recall, the coroner was not able to give a specific time of death.

Assuming that it is true that Patsy was up all night trying to cover up whatever had happened to her daughter, it makes it even more bizarre that the body was left in the house.

The poor child could have been dumped miles away and, if ever found, blamed on the "kidnapper".

Too late now for Patsy to tell the truth but there's still hope that John or Burke (the brother, what an unfortunate name) will decide to clear their consciences.

interested wrote:

kitti wrote:The ransome money matching the exact amount in the ramseys account has always baffled me.

Exactly; the kidnapping note demanded money which equalled what Mr. Ramsey had recently received as a Christmas bonus.

Another thing that I found suspicious right from the start was that Mrs. Ramsey claimed she awoke early the morning after Christmas to find Jon Benet "missing". When the police arrived she was in full makeup and wearing the party atire she wore the previous evening at a Christmas Day party which took place at a friend's house. That alone suggested to me she had been up all night composing the kidnapping note, several attempted versions of which were found in a wastebasket as well as the final one which was found on the staircase.

The marker on Jon Benet's grave indicates her death as Christmas Day, December 25, 1996 which would further indicate the parents knew she died the night of Christmas and not some time after midnight. As I recall, the coroner was not able to give a specific time of death.

No versions of the note were found in a wastebasket.

I hadn't heard that one either but there are some reports that what looked like the start of another draft of the note was in the writing pad.

I think that, as with an even more famous and more recent case, even if you can discount one or two of the oddities, you are still left with the overwhelming belief that the parents haven't told the whole truth.

Not Born Yesterday wrote:I hadn't heard that one either but there are some reports that what looked like the start of another draft of the note was in the writing pad.

I think that, as with an even more famous and more recent case, even if you can discount one or two of the oddities, you are still left with the overwhelming belief that the parents haven't told the whole truth.

Right, they haven't told the whole truth or anything like the truth! Sorry, my comment is embedded in yours, don't know why!!!

Edited by Anna Something odd going on today. Took me a while to post a comment earlier because it kept getting embedded.