A vision for West London without Heathrow

So Boris has consulted with Jones Lang LaSalle, an estate agent no less, to decide on the most lucrative position of the new hub for international flights? Mmmmm, I wonder just which agency will get first pickings over the carcass of Heath Row should this new recommended site in the Thames Estuary get the go ahead??

With the proposed HS2 getting the green light, what is there to stop the new hub being built where the rest of the country can feel the benefits? Somewhere in the Midlands north of the hellish mess that is Birmingham International would be a refreshing change. The HS2 would really come into its own taking real travellers to their destination instead of performing the highspeed commuter run for London business men.

Malena, I don't know how many runways this London Airport will have it permission is given to move the wildlife to another place.

All I will say is the residents of Heathrow will be well pleased, Businessmen from around the World who travel to   London will benefit , and more importantly land will be developed for house building which will not only mean job creation , but ensure no more Houses and shopping Malls will be built on dodgy land.

I really dislike Heathrow Airport , it is hard to find your way around, the last time I was there the Ladies had two toilets in use , the rest were clogged up and out of order. I went out and saw a girl wheeling a trolley and told her of the problem , asking her to tell someone in authority. She refused saying it was nothing to do with her..

Panda wrote:Malena, I don't know how many runways this London Airport will have it permission is given to move the wildlife to another place.

All I will say is the residents of Heathrow will be well pleased, Businessmen from around the World who travel to   London will benefit , and more importantly land will be developed for house building which will not only mean job creation , but ensure no more Houses and shopping Malls  will be built on dodgy land.

I really dislike Heathrow Airport , it is hard to find your way around, the last time I was there the Ladies had two toilets in use , the rest were clogged up and out of order. I went out and saw a girl wheeling a trolley and told her of the problem , asking her to tell someone in authority. She refused saying it was nothing to do with her..

I agree HR is a total tip, but why not build a new site where it will benefit the whole country?

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:Malena, I don't know how many runways this London Airport will have it permission is given to move the wildlife to another place.

All I will say is the residents of Heathrow will be well pleased, Businessmen from around the World who travel to   London will benefit , and more importantly land will be developed for house building which will not only mean job creation , but ensure no more Houses and shopping Malls  will be built on dodgy land.

I really dislike Heathrow Airport , it is hard to find your way around, the last time I was there the Ladies had two toilets in use , the rest were clogged up and out of order. I went out and saw a girl wheeling a trolley and told her of the problem , asking her to tell someone in authority. She refused saying it was nothing to do with her..

I agree HR is a total tip, but why not build a new site where it will benefit the whole country?

Malena , there are now many more 'local Airports that cater for long haul destinations and Holiday destinations are amply catered for in Local Airports.

The problem with Heathrow is no one thought of the noise levels for local residents and it was add-ons which made it unmanageable . I doubt the proposed Airport will have 5 runways and the routes covered by Heathrow at the moment will be spread around other Airports so jobs will be created in those areas. I am guessing that the new Homes built in Heathrow will mean shopping malls , cinemas, Pubs , schools etc.

Hi Malena

I've tried to follow the reasoning for and against in this long running debate. I think Panda is making an important point. It isn't enough in this day and age to build an airport see how it works (if it does) and then start factoring in all the other bits that make a modern airport work.

Compared to Chek Lap Kok in Hong Kong Heathrow is primitive.

katertaif wrote:Hi Malena

I've tried to follow the reasoning for and against in this long running debate. I think Panda is making an important point. It isn't enough in this day and age to build an airport see how it works (if it does) and then start factoring in all the other bits that make a modern airport work.

Compared to Chek Lap Kok in Hong Kong Heathrow is primitive.

Good evening katertaif.
Fair point katertaif, HR was a working aifield/port as were most in the UK long before regular air travel for the masses was ever contemplated, they were built beyond on the outskirts of the nearest city or were old demilitarised RAF stations and most were restricted by existing space for future expansion.

HR is truly primitive to many major airports across the world, but more noticably so in the Middle and Far East, Dubai, Singapore, Kuala Lumpa from my own knowledge. These places have benefited from western experience in airport design and were built on a bare canvas using land which perhaps was not fit for any other purpose.

I have no problem with what Panda is saying, my point is, if there is to be another International Hub built from scratch why must it adjacent to London?

Panda wrote:

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:Malena, I don't know how many runways this London Airport will have it permission is given to move the wildlife to another place.

All I will say is the residents of Heathrow will be well pleased, Businessmen from around the World who travel to   London will benefit , and more importantly land will be developed for house building which will not only mean job creation , but ensure no more Houses and shopping Malls  will be built on dodgy land.

I really dislike Heathrow Airport , it is hard to find your way around, the last time I was there the Ladies had two toilets in use , the rest were clogged up and out of order. I went out and saw a girl wheeling a trolley and told her of the problem , asking her to tell someone in authority. She refused saying it was nothing to do with her..

I agree HR is a total tip, but why not build a new site where it will benefit the whole country?

  Malena , there are now many more 'local Airports that cater for long haul destinations and Holiday destinations are amply catered for in Local Airports.

The problem with Heathrow is no one thought of the noise levels for local residents and it was add-ons which made it unmanageable . I  doubt the proposed Airport will have 5 runways and the routes covered by Heathrow at the moment will be spread around other Airports so  jobs will be created in those areas.  I am guessing that the new Homes built in Heathrow will mean shopping malls , cinemas, Pubs , schools etc.

Hi Panda, this is the article giving info available at this time.

Boris Johnson sets out vision for west London without Heathrow

The Mayor will on Monday publish a report showing how Heathrow could be closed down and re-developed to create hundreds of thousands of jobs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/10733001/Boris-Johnson-sets-out-vision-for-west-London-without-Heathrow.html

The bosses of Heathrow say west London will be devastated for generations if Heathrow is closed down and a new hub airport created to the east of the capital.

London's Mayor Boris Johnson will on Monday set out four potential scenarios for how Heathrow Airport could be redeveloped into a new district providing up to 100,000 jobs and homes for as many as 200,000 people.

The Mayor will step up his campaign for a brand new hub airport in the Thames Estuary, to the east of London, by publishing a detailed report drawn up by property consultants Jones Lang LaSalle (JLL), showing how the site currently occupied by Heathrow could be transformed to meet the capital’s growing housing and employment needs.

Heathrow, which is campaigning for a third runway to the north-west of its current site, has warned that an area the size of Milton Keynes would be devastated for generations if a new hub airport was built to the east of London and Heathrow was forced to shut down.
However, Daniel Moylan, the Mayor’s chief aviation adviser, said the report, to be published at an event in Hillingdon, will disprove claims that Heathrow would turn into a desolate waste ground if London’s aviation hub is shifted to the other side of the capital, where there is more space for expansion.
The Government’s airports commissioner, Sir Howard Davies, has ordered further studies into the feasibility of a brand new hub airport in the Thames Estuary and will decide in September whether it should be added to a short-list of options to improve aviation capacity in the south east of England.

The options assessed by JLL including turning Heathrow into an education quarter, generating 100,000 jobs . Other options could see the construction of as many as 80,000 homes, providing housing for 180,000-200,000 people, and the creation of 90,000 jobs.
However pro-Heathrow campaigners questioned how quickly jobs could be created. Heathrow directly employs more than 76,000 people and the airport’s bosses have warned the area could be devastated for 20 years as it takes time for regeneration projects to come to fruition.
Rob Gray, from the Back Heathrow campaign group, said the closure of Heathrow would be like a “death knell” to the economy of West London. He said: “When the London Docks closed in the 1970s, 150,000 jobs were lost and it took 40 years to create 120,000 new ones.
“Promising people a job in 2055 is of little use to those struggling to pay their bills in 2015.”

Good evening malena stool.

To me the fact that airports in the far east were built on Western technology is the very point. We are able to design and build these things for them but apparently unable to do the same thing for ourselves.

I agree that HR is a lot older than the likes of Chek Lap Kok, and that conditions and projections were different at that time. The fact remains that in those airports a holistic approach was taken, embracing everything from air safety to the number of bars.

Kai Tak was OK as soon as you got your heart rhythm  under control from landing at the place with the buildings higher than the final approach and everyone praying the pilot wouldn't cough.

Granted that HR and the others were built with different factors in mind, they were still built, to some sort of Heath Robinson scenario. I still have to wonder which project  is going to come first and where the money will come from.

Thanks malena for the article, of course the Bosses at Heathrow want to keep the Airport there but London is the obvious place not just for financial reasons, Tourism would benefit, Shopping would, and the villages which would have been mowed down to make way for rail links to Heathrow saved. It will be a massive project, no one doubts that but I certainly don't agree with the Heathrow bosses that the area would be a ghost town and the residents would not have the constant noise of Aircraft flying overhead which is what they deserve.

katertaif wrote:Good evening malena stool.

To me the fact that airports in the far east were built on Western technology is the very point. We are able to design and build these things for them but apparently unable to do the same thing for ourselves.

I agree that HR is a lot older than the likes of Chek Lap Kok, and that conditions and projections were different at that time. The fact remains that in those airports a holistic approach was taken, embracing everything  from air safety to the number of bars.

Kai Tak was OK as soon as you got your heart rhythm  under control from landing at the place with the buildings higher than the final approach  and everyone praying the pilot wouldn't cough.

Granted that HR and the others were built with different factors in mind, they were still built, to some sort of Heath Robinson scenario. I still have to wonder which project  is going to come first and where the money will come from.

Morning katertaif,
It's almost as if we (UK) are quite prepared to use Plan 'C' or even 'D' when designing/planning a project for use in the UK, but for foreign interests nothing short of Plan 'A' will be suitable. Everywhere I've been where British Companies have had any invovement, their work usually stands out as being absolutely A1.

Taking HeathRow as one example, a visitor would likely think he'd got off his aircraft wrongly in a 3rd world, poorly maintained, banana republic, as some of these places are better advertisments for being a well run and welcoming International Airport.

The last time I came through HR, (Sept 2013) there were scruffy dirty floors, dirty stained walls, dirty smelly toilets and outside there were traffic jams leading to 4 hour trip to cover the 100 or so miles home on motorways (and 'A' roads) clogged with roadworks and traffic far in excess of that which the roads were designed to handle...

Which project comes first? The one which carries the most backhanders leaps to my mind... Foreign investment bankers will provide much of the funding I expect. Indicating most of the income from any investment will go abroad.

Hi malena, just announced, the CE of Heathrow is leaving but will stay until a successor is found. Could he be a rat deserting a sinking ship?

Panda wrote:Hi malena, just announced, the CE of Heathrow is leaving but will stay until a successor is found. Could he be a rat deserting a sinking ship?

Hi Panda,

http://www.lse.co.uk/FinanceNews.asp?code=wbsvmrnj&headline=Heathrow_Airport_says_CEO_Matthews_to_leave_later_this_year
Finance & Stock Market News

Heathrow Airport says CEO Matthews to leave later this year

Tue, 1st Apr 2014 12:24

LONDON, April 1 (Reuters) - London's Heathrow Airport said on Tuesday its chief executive Colin Matthews would be leaving the company later this year and that it had started searching for his successor.

Matthews, who joined the world's third busiest airport in 2008, said he would leave after Terminal 2 opens later this year, a redevelopment scheme which has been key to the airport's expansion in recent years.

Heathrow's owners include Spain's Ferrovial and the sovereign wealth funds of Qatar, China and Singapore.

Earlier on Tuesday, the airport said it would not contest a decision by the regulator to impose a new price cap on its charges to airlines.

(Reporting by Brenda Goh; Editing by Paul Sandle)
Unquote..

Who knows Panda,
I've posted this item to highlight and show who HR is owned by.... Begging the question... Just who owns and runs this nation??

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:Hi malena, just announced, the CE of Heathrow is leaving but will stay until a successor is found. Could he be a rat deserting a sinking ship?

Hi Panda,

http://www.lse.co.uk/FinanceNews.asp?code=wbsvmrnj&headline=Heathrow_Airport_says_CEO_Matthews_to_leave_later_this_year
Finance & Stock Market News

Heathrow Airport says CEO Matthews to leave later this year

Tue, 1st Apr 2014 12:24

LONDON, April 1 (Reuters) - London's Heathrow Airport said on Tuesday its chief executive Colin Matthews would be leaving the company later this year and that it had started searching for his successor.

Matthews, who joined the world's third busiest airport in 2008, said he would leave after Terminal 2 opens later this year, a redevelopment scheme which has been key to the airport's expansion in recent years.

Heathrow's owners include Spain's Ferrovial and the sovereign wealth funds of Qatar, China and Singapore.

Earlier on Tuesday, the airport said it would not contest a decision by the regulator to impose a new price cap on its charges to airlines.

(Reporting by Brenda Goh; Editing by Paul Sandle)
Unquote..

Who knows Panda,
I've posted this item to highlight and show who HR is owned by.... Begging the question... Just who owns and runs this nation??

Hi malena, thanks, so Matthews hadn't been there that long, obviously thinks Heathrow will close. Regarding Heathrow, when did Britain
decide it was O.K. to sell all these businesses to Foreigners? Did not U.K. Investors not want to know.??? I think it started with football
but most projects today are owned by Foreigners , we are bankrupt as a Nation and the next generation , if they are intelligent enough will leave Britain. Even our Prisoners re-offend because they realise they are better off there.

The so called 'middle class', left years ago and the 'brain drain' soon followed what the hell are we left with?

Panda wrote:

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:Hi malena, just announced, the CE of Heathrow is leaving but will stay until a successor is found. Could he be a rat deserting a sinking ship?

Hi Panda,

http://www.lse.co.uk/FinanceNews.asp?code=wbsvmrnj&headline=Heathrow_Airport_says_CEO_Matthews_to_leave_later_this_year
Finance & Stock Market News

Heathrow Airport says CEO Matthews to leave later this year

Tue, 1st Apr 2014 12:24

LONDON, April 1 (Reuters) - London's Heathrow Airport said on Tuesday its chief executive Colin Matthews would be leaving the company later this year and that it had started searching for his successor.

Matthews, who joined the world's third busiest airport in 2008, said he would leave after Terminal 2 opens later this year, a redevelopment scheme which has been key to the airport's expansion in recent years.

Heathrow's owners include Spain's Ferrovial and the sovereign wealth funds of Qatar, China and Singapore.

Earlier on Tuesday, the airport said it would not contest a decision by the regulator to impose a new price cap on its charges to airlines.

(Reporting by Brenda Goh; Editing by Paul Sandle)
Unquote..

Who knows Panda,
I've posted this item to highlight and show who HR is owned by.... Begging the question... Just who owns and runs this nation??

Hi malena, thanks, so Matthews hadn't been there that long, obviously thinks Heathrow will close.  Regarding Heathrow, when did Britain
decide it was O.K. to sell all these businesses to Foreigners? Did not U.K. Investors not want to know.???  I think it started with football
but most projects today are owned by Foreigners , we are bankrupt as a Nation and the next generation , if they are intelligent enough will leave Britain. Even our Prisoners re-offend because they realise they are better off there.

The so called 'middle class', left years ago and the 'brain drain' soon followed what the hell are we left with?

Us and our immigrants....  

I'll second that malena