Farage thinks he can win !

He lives in the leafy enclaves of Kent where it is very rare to see a black face,except the guy that tried to rob the Cudham Post Office in 1984,but thats another story !

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/22/nigel-farage-predicts-ukip-win-vote-kent

Well he did say that he had a reasonable chance, not that he was confident. I hardly think the voting for UKIP is about black faces but about uncontrolled immigration when the country is already full. We are a small island not a continent. It is also about getting out of the EU. I think that UKIP will do well.

Ukip will do well and Farage has done well against the onslaught of the worried main parties who have tried chucking all the dirty tricks at him.But Farage does know its about the black faces which is why he has the sense to announce today that he cannot maintain the front man for the party on his own.

Most people in this country dont give a stuff for Euro' so we will see a big vote against,but it is a protest vote and when it comes down to a general election people come back to their senses (well most do) and its about the price of your shopping basket and interest rates as well as immigration and the reality of managing the situation not spouting rhetoric.

Well I voted UKIP and I couldn't give a stuff what people think about me.



The reason....he doesn't pussyfoot around immigration ....and



Let Cameron and Milliband be ill and go to an NHS hospital and wait 8 1/2 hours to see a doctor...



The reason people wait that long is.....there are too many people sucking the life out off the NHS and bleeding it dry, this country is a sucker for a sob story....don't worry, Cameron will send 50m off our money to a country that has problems but sod the people in this country that wait in A & E, in agony, being sick on the floor STILL waiting their turn behind a broken fingernail or a drunk who has fell in the gutter....they should take out the E in A & E because nothing I saw was an Emergency in this A & E department believe me.



So that's why I voted UKIP....and as far as Angelina Joliie saying we should be taking in Syrian refugees....let her take them in, she has a LARGE 50m mansion...she can take them.

Well said Kitti   

kitti wrote:Well I voted UKIP and I couldn't give a stuff what people think about me.



The reason....he doesn't pussyfoot around immigration ....and



Let Cameron and Milliband be ill and go to an NHS hospital and wait 8 1/2 hours to see a doctor...



The reason people wait that long is.....there are too many people sucking the life out off the NHS and bleeding it dry, this country is a sucker for a sob story....don't worry, Cameron will send 50m off our money to a country that has problems but sod the people in this country that wait in A & E, in agony, being sick on the floor STILL waiting their turn behind a broken fingernail or a drunk who has fell in the gutter....they should take out the E in A & E because nothing I saw was an Emergency in this A & E department believe me.



So that's why I voted UKIP....and as far as Angelina Joliie saying  we should be taking in Syrian refugees....let her take them in, she has a LARGE 50m mansion...she can take them.

Good morning kitti

Absolutely spot on. UKIP have for some time now been the subject of a media onslaught, which has been too focussed to be accidental. Only one group could have organised such an onslaught, and that is the ruling government.

As for black faces, once again, you are right. the country is full to bursting already. France for example, is worried about their immigration problem, and they have approximately our present population, but two and a half times our land area. Our politicos talk of the need for more homes but where is the land to build them on going to come from? The more land we lose to houses, the more dependant we become on food imports as just one example.

Granted most of them are here to work, but they come as adults, and have not paid into the NHS via NI payments, yet are immediately eligible for all NHS services. It is long past time our politicians gave us honest answers to Immigration the EU and other questions. In fact remember they were elected to REPRESENT us, not dictate to us and add insult to injury by using us as cash cows.

We don't need to get out of the EU, and I think Farage recognises that. We only need to go back to what we voted for in a referendum. A common market. I am more than happy to trade with our European neighbours I don't
t want to be ruled by them.

Just for the avoidance of doubt we should probably not be thinking in terms of 'black' faces in that respect as we are probably now into third and even fourth generation 'Windrush' families and they are now well and truly British.Also the same applies to the influx of Asians following the war and break up of the old British empire and off course the exodus from the African states following the unrest there ie Uganda,many of those Asians already holding British passports and again many now into second and third generations since originally coming here.
So unless you want to get into the very dangerous debate of 'repatriation' of British citizens to elsewhere then what we are really talking about is the influx of Europeans being the issue and the only issue that can be realistically dealt with here.
There is also the ongoing situation of 'illegals' which is not to be confused with the current 'legitimate' influx of Europeans and we all know that is primarily the Eastern Europeans.

Many people tend to fuse all the above together to try and prove a point when infact you can only stop new arrivals which are mainly white Europeans.

Good morning lioned

Difficult to give a reasoned answer because there are so many complex factors involved. I agree any programme of repatriation would - leaving aside the question of whether it would be right or wrong - be utterly futile, and would immediately spark riots that would make the last ones look like a vicars tea party. having said that, I do not accept the vast majority of those claiming asylum, for the very simple reason that as an island nation, they almost inevitably have to cross at least one safe border to get here. The only exception being a direct flight. The majority are as illegal as those coming in on the back of lorries from Sangatte. Even then we are almost powerless because usually having no papers, which in itself is sinister, the country they claim to be from are extremely reluctant to take them back.

I'm afraid that while many immigrants are indeed from the European Union, and mostly from the Eastern regions as you say, I don't believe they are the great majority. There are still many coming from outside the EU purporting to be a student is a good one.. We are rapidly reaching a position where our infrastructure cannot support many more. As it is it will take years to bring our infrastructure to the level where it can support the step increase in population we have. Once again that I believe is a realistic statement.

We must build more homes our political masters cry. OK brilliant where do we put them? there isn't enough land surface as it is. that is realism not racism. having said all that, the face of Britain is changing and WILL change still more. Our great grandchildren will not recognise the country we know. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is irrelevant. It is going to happen and is happening now. Whether it happens without bloodshed is another story.

I don't subscribe to the popular belief that only Caucasians can be racist. I have seen to much racism on the part of others. Many Africans are permanently fighting each other, as much on tribal grounds as anything else. I believe that to be the basis of the gang culture that has grown up in our major cities. There are in addition many who refuse to integrate, and that is a form of racism itself. Of course our politicos have made non integration much easier in their purblindness by among other things laying on interpreters at great expense. Why learn English which is the first step towards integration, and therefore acceptance?

As the numbers increase, it is only natural that they will seek there own representatives from council level to Parliament; again realism not racism. Our governments headlong gallop to maintain an ever greater percentage of ethnic candidates is helping that along. It will be interesting to see  when, shall we say the new British take control, they will maintain any such percentage among the old British.

Good day katertaif.

I would not disagree with anything you say apart from the UK land situation.We had quite a thread on that somewhere as another member claimed we had no land left to build on,so i wont go there again apart from saying there is loads of 'Brown' land available but expensive to clean up so developers naturally prefer to build on farms and green space if they are given the chance.

More important is the strain on the infastructure and particularly the NHS and Schools,rail and road and the benefits system.
Again everything that has to be said on that has been said recently and i have seen it all for myself unfortunately.

In my opinion the Government needs to take time out,form an all party committee and consider very carefully how this country can support the numbers we already have and that which is anticipated at the current rate.
If we cannot service the numbers that are here and the anticipated growth then the borders have to be shut now,that is the only sensible position.

I was hoping to make the point that reeling off the same old rhetoric about the country being swamped with immigrants is pointless and only stirs up 'jingoism' as many are here legally and many that some consider 'immigrants' have been born here now for several generations,and a great many Asians that came here on British passports.

Before you can solve a problem you really need to have the facts and that is where the problem lays.No one knows how many 'illegals' are in this country and no one knows how many will come here legally due to the EU rules,those are the two areas which need sorting.

As for the illegals it is very easy to critisise the Government (any Government) for what we perceive based on newspaper headlines like those Abu Hamza ones that the UK is an easy touch and illegals get to stay here for years in council houses.

Some do but as best as i can find today the UK border agency based on the latest Home Office figures i can find sent home in excess of 40000 illegals in 2010/2011,i think they are the most up to date figures which,if so, i agree is worrying in itself,but shows that at least some sort of job is being done !
Latest 'guestimates' are there may be anything between 300000 and 500000 and you have the additional problem of adding the children born here to those 'illegals' which is estimated around 120000,but who really knows ?

For me,i would shut the borders today and stop anymore migrants from the EU unless they have jobs and can prove they can sustain themselves.That is not going to happen as it is politically impossible unless we come out of the EU.

Illegal immigrants is by far and away the biggest problem and is one that can be dealt with as by definition they are 'illegal'.
As has been said elsewhere,rather than spend £50 mill on Indias space programme (assuming thats true) and constantly pouring money into foreign aid that never seems to achieve very much we should spend that money on reinforcing immigration controls employ more officers and staff to root out the illegals.

As for those that are here legally they should be allowed to enjoy the same freedom as the rest of us and comply with the same laws.

It's hard for my son to get a job as alot off companies actually go to Europe and employ them



They come over and are housed, alot without their families.


You only have to go to asda on a friday night and they have been paid...lone men with their trollys packed up with cheap bread and biscuits etc.


An instance.....victor used to drive a mixer lorry and he knows people who still own their lorries. When they were building the tunnel men were brought over to the uk from Europe , special prefab huts were put up for these men where they lived and ate etc.
They obviously were paid a pittance but it was enough for them to live on and send money home...hundreds off them were brought in...after the work finished, the huts were flattened and the men went....the same with the Olympic stadium.



I think this is wrong, you have lots off work and british people don't get a look in, it's unfair ...BUT the companies love it, they don't have to pay them much, their living quarters you wouldn't let a pig live in and they don't moan...they got it made these companies and that is why they want to remain in the EU.


There's no equality in these companies, they want foreigners because they can treat them how they like and pay them beneath minimum wage, which they do...and my son has even been to jobs on the job center site only to be told....we don't employ English people or.....you need to be able to speak polish to be able to communicate with the other workers...job enter don't want to know when you tell them.

I think i have told you stories about my working in London as an Electrician on building sites,so i have seen it all first hand.

I have worked for a builder (he only employed me as he needed the Electrical Certificates and couldnt find a cheap foreign electrician qualified to do that).I would always be the only British bloke on site.

The Russians/Ukrainians did all the other work.And i can tell you they were all very nice and polite men,mostly young,and all spoke very good English.The older ones couldnt speak English and were always grumpy.
I can also tell you that they were absolute rubbish builders,though by some miracle most of the jobs ended up looking about passable.

They all slept on mattresses on the floor and when the last room was being decorated they had to sleep in the shed or go on to the next site.

I do not know if they were illegals or not.

I have seen the same working for a Kent Aristocrat farmer/land owner but he employed Poles.


Its about Capitalists and making as much profit as you can.

I am quite sure many illegals work this way and you can bet your life a huge number work in the food industry.

Ha, this is quite ironic for UKIP.....

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/16/ukip-candidate-family-restaurant-fined-illegal-immigrants

I used to like going to our local Chinese restaurant until i had to go do a job upstairs and saw the staff 'living accommodation'.
Then i was parked in the bay at the back and the waiters were coming out and pissing up the back of the sheds that contained the freezers.

Dont go there anymore.

Good Afternoon lioned

You certainly put some thought into your posts, and I find it difficult to disagree with you in any important detail. One thing I would mention, is back to the land needed to build on, I fear I explained myself badly, I realise the builders would prefer to build on land we desperately need for other use; growing food for example.

However it isn't just a case of putting up a housing estate The infrastructure needed for that takes up room as well. Waterborne sewerage, as well as potable water, energy lines such as gas. road and rail you have mentioned. As you say, our infrastructure is already lagging the step increase in population.

I fully agree with you, that before you can even come close to tackling a problem, you need to understand it. I wonder if anyone in our succession of governments since the end of WW 2 actually do. just listening to the politicians prating about the disastrous results for the Liberal Democrats, suggests to me they don't really understand very much about anything. They have created the problems we face themselves with a series of blunders. Particularly on the subjects of immigration and the EU.

I agree that shutting the borders, and diverting foreign aid monies to guard them properly is an excellent idea but I wonder if any of the feather pated bunch at present in charge have the gonads for such a solution. As for EU citizens, we cannot do that legally under the present rulings, and to do it unilaterally would have half of parliament suffering attacks of the vapours. One answer to that would also be money diverted into the old fashioned apprenticeship scheme. Many companies talk a brilliant training schedule, but the moment things become a little tight, training budgets go out of the window as you know. A properly trained workforce, would obviate the need for at least a proportion of EU immigrants.

Closing of many of the loopholes would also help, and could be tackled immediately. One I can think of is that to claim benefits you need a National Insurance number. I know many are forged or stolen, but that could be tackled as well. In the meantime there is one scam they could solve immediately. To get an NI number legally, all the immigrant has to do is declare themselves the CEO of a company. The moment they then have the paperwork, the "company" goes belly up, and they are claiming benefits.

Like you. I don't know how much the Indians use of our foreign aid for their armed forces, but if they can afford the staggering amounts needed to fund research into nuclear weapons, Missile delivery systems, and the "space race". they-like Pakistan, don't need our money at all. We even give money to China and they are now a bigger economy than the US. it's mickey mouse politics. No one can expect them to understand the problems we face in any way at all.

getting rid of illegal would I agree go a long way to if not solve the labour problem, at least ease it.

Many Europeans have a sort of benefit scheme in their own country and that is why they are allowed to sign on in the UK.


Yes Lioned it seams most off the illegals working in Indian restaurants are 'family' illegals..and they have BIG families in India.


Some off the European cleanliness is not the same as ours either...my son did manage to get a job on a building site for one week and he said it was disgusting ....the foreign men peed where they liked and did other bodily Functions too and didn't seem to care if it was done in fall view off anyone...one stole my sons wallet from his back pocket and he had to walk part the way home before he found a pound on the floor and managed to ring me...he couldn't eat because they spat everywhere so all in all he had a good week but was thankful they didn't want him anymore.


Have you heard off Prestige Car Wash?

I think i have heard of the car wash place but you are now going to tell me why.

I used to hate them bandits who would jump out at the traffic lights to wash your windows.

I would imagine that a considerable number of 'illegals' have been in this country a very long time.As you say there are big families and labour is cheap if you get your uncle into the country and hide him upstairs and give him a job as a waiter.
Then i suppose if he gets sick he just goes to A & E as he wont be registered at a GP's.

Well I can't tell you on here but i will ..all foreign men work there, they have no toilet they do it in a barrel and they are paid £20 a day.


Nice eh.....

kitti wrote:Many Europeans have a sort of benefit scheme in their own country and that is why they are allowed to sign on  in the UK.


Yes Lioned it seams most off the illegals working in Indian restaurants are 'family' illegals..and they have BIG families in India.


Some off the European cleanliness is not the same as ours either...my son did manage to get a job on a building site for one week and he said it was disgusting ....the foreign men peed where they liked and did other bodily Functions too and didn't seem to care if it was done  in fall view off anyone...one stole my sons wallet from his back pocket and he had to walk part the way home before he found a pound on the floor and managed to ring me...he couldn't eat because they spat everywhere so all in all he had a good week but was thankful they didn't want him anymore.


Have you heard off Prestige Car Wash?

Good morning kitti

Without knowing the full story, I can only sympathise with you, and more especially with your son. We are the victims of our politicians who ever since the end of WW 2 have enacted a series of mish mash policies, designed to make them look good, and of no use to the country whatsoever. Still worse, those politicians who arrogantly think they know best, despite what the electorate think. There are all too many of those.

Take the so called training initiatives. they aren't really designed to train people to work in the real world at real jobs, they are designed to look as if they are keeping the unemployment figures down and sometimes with disastrous results. Blair's wheeze of getting everyone to go to university was one such. Now, there are more people with degrees than any country could possibly absorb in years. many have what amount to Mickey Mouse degrees, and yet they all need jobs. there are only so many places available in the media and that seems to be what many aspire to. But for the time they spend at "Uni" they are not on the unemployment roll.

Some years ago I was a craft instructor on the governments much touted YTS scheme. the money was handed over to those centres who DID'NT get people properly trained and qualified, and who DID'NT get them decent jobs. I got two ex electricians mates. they stayed long after their 6 months statutory time, and both got NVQ level 3, and proper jobs as electricians. the next day my departments funding was slashed. other departments who had no such outcomes had their funding untouched. Oh yes the centre was paid for those two, and then they made sure there would be no more. at least not from my section.

We voted for a Common Market supposedly a mutually beneficial trading bloc. Papers released under the 30 year rule showed that Heath was perfectly well aware of what the then Common Market was to become. Of course the citizens of the now EU have every right to come here where the pickings are the best out of the 28 countries. most of them only joined for the money they would get. We have been taken for a ride in many ways by politicians who do not, and never did live in the real world. They and their children are not casualties of it though. We are. I can only hope your son gets a decent job soon.

"Take the so called training initiatives. they aren't really designed to train people to work in the real world at real jobs, they are designed to look as if they are keeping the unemployment figures down and sometimes with disastrous results. Blair's wheeze of getting everyone to go to university was one such. Now, there are more people with degrees than any country could possibly absorb in years. many have what amount to Mickey Mouse degrees"/ quote

I agree totally with what you have said here Katertaif, degrees used to be worth something, now they are not worth the paper they are written.   I remember when my son went to university it was so tough to get in.  I think that at the time it was just 3% (or thereabouts) of the population passed the exams to be able to go to university.  These days everyone goes, I know children who are most definitely not university material and all you hear from them is I am going to university.  It's taken as a given.    They are made to believe that  they are going to walk into some super job because they get a degree in business studies or similar. No wonder students now have to pay, the universities could not possibly support the droves that go.

Shame on Blair for doing this to our young people.  They could be out there earning good money as electricians, plumbers and carpenters .  We are now so short of these people that they can charge what they like and they do. What a disaster that man was for this country.

Good afternoon fuzeta

Absolutely, the thing being that some teachers at least seem to consider that being a plumber, electrician or whatever is somehow second class.

A couple of years ago I was in a school, and the door to a classroom was ajar, I am damned sure the teacher hadn't noticed. She was telling the schoolchildren that if they didn't qualify for university they would end up as tradespeople (that was the word she used) assuming they had some drive however, they should aspire to "Uni" so as not to end up like that.

With an attitude like that, I would be surprised if any of her pupils have any jobs at all.

Take the governments next initiative after the YTS fiasco. The payment for them to stay at school until 18 (and beyond) All they were in fact doing was paying them unemployment benefit by any other name while keeping them off the unemployment figures. Those figures have been so massaged over the last few decades they are meaningless anyway.

When it comes to the free movement of citizens, what they refuse to admit is the basic truth that + 1 job for a Pole or Czech or Roumanian or outside the EU altogether must equal - 1 job for an indigenous Brit. Of course they have done such a good job of brainwashing our young that they don't know what they want any more.

There is another down side of it which doesn't get mentioned, and which kitti mentioned. These foreign workers are happily sending the money home until there is enough to buy the house, car, pay for children's education etc. When there is enough they go home, and another takes his place to in turn send the money home etc. meanwhile enjoying free health care etc.

When I was living in S. Arabia Oman, China etc. I was doing that as well, as were tens of thousands of us foreign workers just as here. So what? The so what is that these places were selling us oil, LNG etc, to fill the gap if you wil,l and the books balanced One Pound out, one Pound in. Not so in our case, we are selling them nothing they are even importing their own foodstuffs, which we couldn't do. Nothing is coming back; indeed we are bailing their countries out and rebuilding their infrastructure into the bargain. They win at every level, and we lose. Then the politicos wonder why we are apathetic and disillusioned

Agree with all that.

I have worked with lots (and i mean lots) of migrant workers here and they where all doing just that,sending their money home.

I should say that the vast majority i talked to wanted to go 'home' and had plans to do so,infact we have been working with a Polish girl and her husband and another couple of their friends who came over with them who would like to go home now as they think this country is a mess.Trouble is they both have properties in Poland which they have let out while they are working over here so they are quite cash rich now and enjoying the look of their bank accounts.The Polish girl is pregnant and will make the most of the NHS and her employer will have to look after her maternity leave,to be fair they have worked hard and learnt the language and fitted in.
The Poles are now a fair way up the pecking order and many have made some money and gone home but will be replaced by lower mortals in the Rumanians and Bulgarians i suppose.
The Russians and Ukranians i know also will go home eventually.

We really should be doing more to root out the illegals,that would be a vote winner for me.

Good afternoon lioned

I quite agree with you. They are as a nation hard working, and yes, I fully agree they will do their best to fit in. In the case you cite it proves what I said in another thread. they have in a manner of speaking made their pile and are now ready to go home and enjoy the fruits of their hard work. after milking the state for a little more in terms of her being "enceinte" They are of course right, we are in a mess, on a number of fronts. It would take the wisdom of Solomon to sort it out and all we have is 654 freeloaders in the commons and God knows how many in the Alleged Lords. I would absolutely agree with you about making a start by rooting out illegals, and deportation after serving a portion of prison time.

The trouble is the majority destroy their papers and while they're quite happy to tell us they are say Iraqis. Iraq will not accept them back without absolute proof that they are in fact Iraqis and that we are told can take months. We can't even lock them us ubtil such proof is gained because there are just not enough prisons as it is. so they just keep absconding.

The same goes when they are jailed for some crime. They are supposed to be deported afterwards, but very few are. all should be. they should only be kept in jail until such proof of identity and racial type is established and then sent back, with only part of their time served, why should they be kept at our expense for longer than necessary.

I agree with you m friend. All our politicos need is the gonads to do it. That in itself would be a deterrent. One glaring scandal is when they come in claiming asylum on the grounds they are under age. fine carry out any tests needed to determine their age, but keep them under guard in the meantime. if they are lying about their age, they are equally quite obviously going to abscond.

If India and Pakistan and China for the matter of that have the resources needed to develop a nuclear weapon, and delivery systems and indulge in the space race. none o which we can afford. they don't need our money. That I agree would be better spent on guarding our borders.

Now he knows that the focus has to be on managing the Economy,taxation and the NHS and doing something of substance regarding immigration.
He's talked the talk so lets see if he can do the business.

You can bet your life the dirty tricks are going to get very messy.


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/26/nigel-farage-ukip-manifesto-doncaster-ed-miliband

afternoon lioned

I don't think Farage will be in much of a position really after the election to do much. he simply will not have enough MP's to make much of a difference. I agree with you about the dirty tricks though. The present establishment have been indulging in those for some time and manipulating the media to show Farage, and UKIP in the worst possible light. They are obviously very afraid of the upset UKIP could cause in the pleasant even tenor of their comfortable lives.

Where a difference could be made is in Brussels, if the various dissident MEP's can come together to make a stand against those countries who are in it for what they can get.

At the moment we have to agree that without immigrant labour whether from within or without the EU much of the country would come to a standstill. A massive training programme is needed, not to keep people off the unemployment register but to prepare them for proper and decently paid work. At the same time reversing this mindset that only second class citizens don't go to "uni". Then immigrant labour can gradually be replaced by the indigenous. full employment is possible, but needs the will to do it, and diverting money from non essentials to pay for it.

Immigration, and bogus asylum seeking,, which to my mind is most of them should be dealt with quickly their cases heard and a decision made in days rather than years.

What can be done about the creeping Islamisation of not only Britain but the rest of the world is another story. Some draconian measures will be needed sooner rather than later. There will of course be demonstrations, violent ones again, draconian measures will be needed.

Farage has now been selected to run for the South Thanet seat...............

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28935498



Confirmation.............

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/26/nigel-farage-selected-ukip-south-thanet