P.M.Q.'s

After several months of not being bothered to watch PMQ's my wife wanted to see it this week. She wanted to see Cameron's reasoning (assuming he has any) over these public debates. I did say that they never answer a question , but we watched it anyway (I know my place) It was absolutely dreadful. The noise and heckling were indescribable. These morons are our countries law makers, and tax gatherers, they are responsible for education, defence, health, in fact running the country. ruining may be a better word. there is evidence that educational standards have fallen. We have little left of our armed forces, and now the NHS is no longer up to scratch (one MP said it was in meltdown)

Of course Cameron didn't answer any questions, and no more did Milliband. So what do these people do apart from screaming and shouting at PMQ's?The very time they are on show as it were to the public. You would think they would be on their best behaviour, rather than behaving like spoilt and out of control children. In fact behaviour like this would get them excluded from school. 11% increase? They deserve it we are told, No they don't!

Then they wonder (or at least claim they wonder) why the public has no time for them, and why the surge in popularity for UKIP and the Greens. They may not be any better, but certainly could do no worse. At least I would hope they would behave with the dignity which many of them think the letters MP after their names entitles them to.

I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A DEBATE WITH PARTIES INCLUDED  PROVIDED A PARTY HAS ELECTED MPS IN THE CHAMBER,ONLY MY OPINION.
THEY DO SEEM TO BE A BIT ROWDY.

Badboy wrote:I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A DEBATE WITH PARTIES INCLUDED  PROVIDED A PARTY HAS ELECTED MPS IN THE CHAMBER,ONLY MY OPINION.
THEY DO SEEM TO BE A BIT ROWDY.

Good evening Badboy I was wondering where you were. When our so called leaders are playing fast and loose with they will talk to, and who they won't, It is a prize example of undemocratic behaviour. It isn't The greens, or yet UKIP who are being frozen out It is us, the public who support them and perhaps voted for them. We are being given the frozen shoulder.

Suppose for example Natalie Bennet of the Greens came up with a sound economic plan, that might cause the great unwashed like thee and me to vote for them. That I believe is what the main three are afraid of. They have all established themselves comfortably in the middle ground, and whichever of them you vote for you are voting for more of the same. So lets hear what Farage and Bennet have to say. Or is that perhaps what Cameron et al are afraid of? That we may cause yet another upheaval like the European elections? Mainly they would be out of their well paid, well connected jobs, with lots of respect and authority which the show conclusively every week they are not entitled to. Respect should be earned.

The overwhelming attitude of many MP's is that we are not capable enough or trustworthy enough to decide where to place our cross. I think the opposite is true, they are terrified that we can. Certainly the present crew have forfeited any right to respect. More Greens and UKIP MP's may not do so very much better, but they certainly couldn't do any worse. They may even be honest, and that in itself would be a new experience for Parliament (both houses)

All they do is shout at each other which they enjoy and I'm sure they do this to confuse the situation.

They try Kitti but we plebs are all a lot wiser than they think we are.

kitti wrote:All they do is shout at each other which they enjoy and I'm sure they do this to confuse the situation.

Just when we think they could get no lower they do. Rifkind and Straw being the latest two. I must admit to being a bit wary of these sting operations. They could just as easily be called entrapment as our colonial cousins do. Having said that, if they were as pure as the driven snow, and turned down the offer of a fast buck, dodgy or otherwise. there would be no charge for them to answer.

I was particularly taken with Rifkind claiming the salary of an MP isn't enough to support his lifestyle. So why did he go in for it then? I understand he gave up a thriving law practice, and no one forced him to be an MP. I do think it is a complete betrayal of the electorate they once promised the earth in exchange for votes for them to out touting for extra money on the strength of being an MP. Obviously they are not all at it, but a hefty proportion of them seem to have learned nothing from the original scandal

The sight on the news of a committee of MP's charging the energy companies with ripping off the electorate would be almost funny in the light of how many of those same accusers are doing it as well.

That is one of the reasons I'll be voting UKIP in May. They might turn out to be no better that the ones we have now but they could not be worse. As you say kitti all they seem to do is jeer and call each other. any of us would reprimand a child for such behaviour. Yet the airs and graces the put on outside are unbelievable. I'm an MP I demand respect

Hello Katertaif, I was very involved in politics in my younger days and knew quite a number of MP's personally. I can honestly say that they were not all like they are now. Of course politics are politics, it's a devious game. It has always had it's share but there used to be some honorable ones around then. Now I would not trust one of them.

Prime Ministers Question Time has always been cut and thrust and I used to really enjoy it. These days they don't seem to have the wit they used to, they just rely on sarcastic comments and name calling

fuzeta wrote:Hello Katertaif,  I was very involved in politics in my younger days and knew quite a number of MP's personally. I can honestly say that they were not all like they are now.   Of course politics are politics, it's a devious game. It has always had it's share  but there used to be some honorable ones around then.  Now I would not trust one of them.  

Prime Ministers Question Time has always been cut and thrust and I  used to really enjoy it.  These days they don't seem to have the wit they used to, they just rely on sarcastic comments and name calling

Hi Fuzeta

I can only agree with you 100%. I haven't known many MP's at the sharing a drink stage so to speak, but like you I have seen a change in them. They are more self centred now by a long way. There were always the arrogant ones. There are such everywhere, but they were few and far between. PMQ's has seen some positively inspired oratory in the past now it seems to be a yes you did: No I didn't but you did, type of exchange. No attempt is made to answer questions and the only thing blatantly apparent is the ill manners, and less than mature antics of some of our countries leaders

Hello Katertaif, I remember going to the House of Commons and sat in the public gallery for PMQ. Margaret Thatcher was the PM then. Whatever people's politics are and some did not like here.( I did) I have to say she was positively brilliant. Her wit was second to none. With one lash of her tongue, she had everyone spluttering trying to find a way to answer her. It was superb stuff, nothing like today's buffoons.

fuzeta wrote:Hello Katertaif,  I remember going to the House of Commons and sat in the public gallery for PMQ.  Margaret Thatcher was the PM then.   Whatever people's politics are and some did not like here.( I did) I have to say she was positively brilliant.  Her wit was second to none.  With one lash of her tongue, she had everyone spluttering trying to find a way to answer her.  It was superb stuff, nothing like today's buffoons.

Love her, or loathe her, you could at least rely on her word. If she said she would do something she did it. Nowadays, I seriously doubt if you would get a straight answer if you asked some of them (too many of them) the time of day.

A mere lustrun ago, Cameron was all in favour of televised debates, now he has changed his mind several times over whether to have them (or it) and who should be there. I do believe he is terrified of UKIP and it's all about number crunching. He stands to lose votes either way, but which way will he lose least votes. Tell him that and that is the way he will go.

The tories have a history of dumping a failing leader. Going back to Margaret Thatcher yes, she may have become a liability, but what they did to her was disgraceful.

katertaif wrote:The tories have a history of dumping a failing leader. Going back to Margaret Thatcher yes, she may have become a liability, but what they did to her was disgraceful.

not oft i agree with you but on this i do. one of the indiosyncrasies of politics in the UK. the figurehead is paraded to secure votes then dumped at the first sign of trouble. many americans i talk to can't get their heads around this. leader quits or dumped, election? nah, this is the UK. we make it up as we go along.

That would be the Thatcher that destroyed the families of the miners and pretty much all the British Industrial communities.Entertained the corpse shagger savile every Christmas and bought her dopey son (who got lost in the desert) plenty of arms deals with despot murderers,leaving thousands of innocents dead and famished, to make him a millionaire and then cost the tax payer shed loads to keep her in first class luxury at Londons top Hotels.
And also ignored all the warnings about the tory peado buggerers.

Lioned wrote:That would be the Thatcher that destroyed the families of the miners and pretty much all the British Industrial communities.Entertained the corpse shagger savile every Christmas and bought her dopey son (who got lost in the desert) plenty of arms deals with despot murderers,leaving thousands of innocents dead and famished, to make him a millionaire and then cost the tax payer shed loads to keep her in first class luxury at Londons top Hotels.
And also ignored all the warnings about the tory peado buggerers.

i'll put that down as a 'no' then.

Marky wrote:

Lioned wrote:That would be the Thatcher that destroyed the families of the miners and pretty much all the British Industrial communities.Entertained the corpse shagger savile every Christmas and bought her dopey son (who got lost in the desert) plenty of arms deals with despot murderers,leaving thousands of innocents dead and famished, to make him a millionaire and then cost the tax payer shed loads to keep her in first class luxury at Londons top Hotels.
And also ignored all the warnings about the tory peado buggerers.

i'll put that down as a 'no' then.

To be fair she might have done a couple of good things if only by the law of averages !

Kicked crap out of the Argies might give her 1/2 a brownie point.And she produced a fairly intelligent and amusing daughter who seems fairly normal.

Lioned wrote:

Marky wrote:

Lioned wrote:That would be the Thatcher that destroyed the families of the miners and pretty much all the British Industrial communities.Entertained the corpse shagger savile every Christmas and bought her dopey son (who got lost in the desert) plenty of arms deals with despot murderers,leaving thousands of innocents dead and famished, to make him a millionaire and then cost the tax payer shed loads to keep her in first class luxury at Londons top Hotels.
And also ignored all the warnings about the tory peado buggerers.

i'll put that down as a 'no' then.

To be fair she might have done a couple of good things if only by the law of averages !

Kicked crap out of the Argies might give her 1/2 a brownie point.And she produced a fairly intelligent and amusing daughter who seems fairly normal.

ah, you're softening a little here.

CAMERON HAS DEFINATELY DECEIDED NOT TO TAKE PLACE IN ANY DEBATES

In any? I thought he'd agreed to do one?

maybe just the one,BUT NOT ANY HEAD TO HEAD WITH ED MILLIBAND.

IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT THE DEBATES SHOULD HAVE A LEGAL BASIS SO NO PUSSYFOOTING AROUND.

Badboy wrote:maybe just the one,BUT NOT ANY HEAD TO HEAD WITH ED MILLIBAND.

Ah! Yes, I see what you mean

wjk wrote:

Badboy wrote:maybe just the one,BUT NOT ANY HEAD TO HEAD WITH ED MILLIBAND.

Ah! Yes, I see what you mean

EVEN I AM GETTING CONFUSED ABOUT WHOLE MATTER,LABOUR ARE SAYING CAMERON IS CHICKENING OUT.
WONDER IF IT WILL AFFECT ELECTION RESULT IF HE ISN'T THERE.

It won't change who I'm voting for Badboy, whether he's there or not but I did enjoy the debates last time and watched them all.