Kate´s suicide

FSoares wrote:

eddie wrote:

Well said FSoares! Your English is really good!

I think I have days and today is probably a good one!! Some days I can write in an understandable and acceptable English, but, if I am feeling tired, my English can be like some kingdom of non-sense.

French was the foreign language I first learned. Only after I started to learn English, thus the reason why (me thinks) I can speak and write a better French than English. So, I apologize in advance, if at any time, this will look like some strange language, like Portish (mix of Portuguese with English).

Thank you so much.

About the McCanns and Oprah: too many are expecting Oprah to ask some "difficult questions". I don't believe it for a single minute. I don't believe they would accept to be in some show, completely blind about the questions to be asked. ;)

I agree about Orah.
I don't think there will be anythign new here. Oprah will not ask them anything direct and will only show sympathy.
They will probably get a big cheque from her!!

(I love the word Portish )

FSoares wrote:

eddie wrote:

Well said FSoares! Your English is really good!

I think I have days and today is probably a good one!! Some days I can write in an understandable and acceptable English, but, if I am feeling tired, my English can be like some kingdom of non-sense.

French was the foreign language I first learned. Only after I started to learn English, thus the reason why (me thinks) I can speak and write a better French than English. So, I apologize in advance, if at any time, this will look like some strange language, like Portish (mix of Portuguese with English).

Thank you so much.

About the McCanns and Oprah: too many are expecting Oprah to ask some "difficult questions". I don't believe it for a single minute. I don't believe they would accept to be in some show, completely blind about the questions to be asked. ;)

Your last line is correct but dont foget they are blinded by money and could be falling into a trap themselves.

The news about Kate’s attempts on suicide worries me. I do believe that she’s the weakest link of the "dark" side.

She saw David kill Maddie, and probably fought to defend her. She was convinced that the best way for all, including her, Gerry and the twins, was to act the way she had. Any other course of action would have jeopardized all. But truth sinks in. And what a weight it is.
On the 3rd of May, what she, and nobody realized was that things would get the proportion they got and still have. What was initially quite a successful media maneuver, with all its heartwarming and tearful messages, became rapidly a monster out of control to all, including the VIP, VVIP and VVVIP involved.

We all ask for Kate’s head on a platter. But let’s stop to reflect for a moment. Leave passion aside and think. Imagine what Kate’s world is like. She’s watched every single minute of her life. She’s incapable of any free speech and activity since the 3rd of May. I believe that, initially, she was an activist of the abduction lie, but as time moves on and conscience sinks in, I believe that she would confess. If she could.

All those IMPORTANT people who’ve carried this farse thus far and will continue to do so, are sufficiently IMPORTANT, to stop her on her tracks of any sort of confession. And I’m saying physically.

She cannot communicate. Verbally, the retarded Gerry is like complaining to Himmler about the Holocaust. In written, well, she has the BEST of all watching. Not hired hands, but governmental paid. Any mail, letter, chat, or whatever she writes electronically is scrutinized.

Her physical appearance is degrading by the day. Unlike that of the nauseating husband of hers. Her insides are eating her away. She has become a burden. A time-bomb. And, as efficient as these people are, they’ve already planned to contain the effects if she ever explodes. You will hardly hear the bang. Even standing next to her. And they sure have certified that she knows exactly that.

First the rumors about being sick. Her absences from the trips. Now the suicide attempt. I’m afraid that we won’t be seeing much of Kate. She’ll either go into a “depression” such that will require enclosure, or be “successful” in a future attempt.

I don’t believe that she’ll be on Oprah. Simply because the puppeteers think the strings are not trustable enough: Any outburst could compromise all. Either there will be no show, or she’ll be unable to go, due to health reason of emotional nature.

These are dangerous powerful people, and Kate is right in their sights. And there are still people saying that justice is not served?

Kate, how you wish you could settle this “legally”, don’t you?

What angers you most? The animal David getting away with it, or having to share the same space with that grotesque man next to you?
Textusa

There is no doubt that DP had a lot to do with Maddie"s going missing. If Kate does know what happened, she is living life in a mighty queer manner. No mother (if Maddie was her child) could live with herself for so long. The truth will out though, but will we be surprised.

Thats not such a stupid theory when you really think about it.

Standing Tall wrote:Thats not such a stupid theory when you really think about it.

I agree...
for a very long time i thought it was an abduction..i just couldn't believe that parents, could hurt their own children.After being on this site, for the best part of 10months,i have read so much that has shocked me and brought me to tears.It has made me realise, that all parents are not as loving and caring as i thought.

I then turned into a fence sitter...that didn't last long!!!I have read every article in great detail...i still feel Kate was not involved, as such(i think she is just like a puppet)She is told what to say and how to act.To me she does look broken..and i do have some sympathy to wards her(being a mother myself).Moving on to the men,now that's a different story.I think there is something very strange going on in this group of men.After what i have read about David Payne...maybe this is what links everything together.I truly hope not...as i couldn't bear to think of little Madeleine in this situation.

Sorry to bore everyone with my feelings...x

lubelle wrote:[quote=
Sorry to bore everyone with my feelings...x

No way are you boring. When it was first raised that Madeleine could have been in the company of "wicked men" some forums deleted the postings, so that thought was already in the minds of a lot of people. Fancy a doctor (DP) saying such things to that lady and what he said seems to have not been looked into, and that raises questions as to why not. What on earth goes on with those friends of theirs. Padeophiles are known to get what they want and are often very cruel. The fact that DP was in the apartment for a while raises questions. I do not like Gerry McCann at all. Don't know him of course, but actions speak louder than words!

and don´t forget a detail on the files that is very important

Gerry says DP was with kate and kids inside the apartement at least 30 minutes

Kate says that he only was there 30 seconds

30 minutes and 30 seconds are dirent amounts of time????

Why kate need people to believe so much that he was there only a few seconds?????

I disagree with this viewpoint entirely.

DP may be a pervert or he may not. I do not think he had anything to do with Maddies death/disappearance so I think he is irrelevant imo.

Kate McCann is a woman full of guilt. That is what is eating away at her. She and her husband covered it up, I don't believe anyone else was involved. I think they overdosed her, tried to revive her and then covered up her death and hid her body before they went out. Gerry is the mastermind behind it all.

But I also truly believe that the punishment of 'getting away with it' will kill her more surely than any punishment. When you do something 'accidently' there is always a certain relief in getting punished...think about it...you feel as though you've paid for your 'mistake'. She needs to be 'punished' so she punishes herself daily, probably. Can you imagine how vile she feels?? Gerry probably does too,. but woman are different to men and what she has doen goes against the very nature of being a mother.

I think I lean more on the side of the McCanns doing this out of pure love for themselves, eachother and the twins (probably in that order too). It was self-suffience that made them cover up her death. I don't think they ever thought it'd go this far either and now they have started this whole big-bang-drums-parade, they don't know how to get off without causing suspicion; when is the best time to say "we're not looking?" ? Will their family let them? If you do something loudly enough people start to believe you - I think this is the method behind Gerry's thinking. It would certainly be the way I would behave (IF I ever was vile enough to do this you understand....)


See, I know it's hard but to think like them you have to BE them. I am quite good at seeing the 'good' in people (Amber and David will vouch for that lol). I can see how love may have made Gerry do this whole ceover-up and how he very easily convinced Kate that this was for the best and that he was doign it for her... Most crimes are committed out of love or hate and thsi crime of covering up the death of their daughter wasn't done out of hate, but love.

That's also why I feel that they have buried her, laid her to rest somewhere. Because I do believe they loved her too, probably not enough, or how they should. All in all, I guess I think this was a crime of passion, albeit an evil, selfish one.


One that I hope will be revealed to everyone one day.


EDIT TO SAY: I do NOT condone what they have done nor feel sorry for them atall. I dislike them intensely for letting that girl die. I was just trying to put a different view across as I don't think was any nasty underhand paedo thing going on, I think that's just nonsence sorry.

I wasn't going to join in this thread as I felt it was only right for members who see Kate in a different light to myself should be able to discuss it without being pressured by me, but I have to agree with Eddie.
If the Gaspars statements are true, and I believe they are, then both David Payne and Gerry McCann have some deviant tendencies to say the least, but I don't think these activites were responsible for whatever has happened to Madeleine. There is no way Kate would have kept quiet under those circumstances.
For me, the most likely scenario is Madeleine falling off the settee and being found by either Kate or Gerry. As for Kate being dominated by Gerry, I just don't see her in that way.
When this case first hit the TV screens I was full of sympathy for this family and believed what they said. Even when Kate started to join in the TV appeals and seemed emotionless and dry eyed I put it down to her being medicated and made all sorts of allowances for her odd remarks and behaviour, but then we were presented with the glowing, laughing Kate, more than willing to give interviews to the media and pose for pictures in a way which left me uneasy and bewildered. That Vanity Fair photograph is so artifical it makes me cringe. Now if she was being sustained by medication which blocked off her fears and tears, it would also have blocked off her happiness too, leaving her in a sort of calm, no mans land. She could not have behaved as she did, laughing while she held up pictures of Madeleine, or cheerfully disscussing where Madeleine might be and how she was coping etc. I concluded that, for some reason, she was experiencing relief. That could only be associated with the McCanns believing they had escaped something or other. No way could they have felt relief about anything associated with Madeleines disappearance if they had not been involved and had no idea what their child was going through.
For me, Kate and Gerry seem to work very much as a team. Kate believes that Gerry is smart enough to get them out of this mess and is a willing partner in whatever plans are currently being concocted. If she was a victim I would see her looking towards her parents, especially her mother, and her schoolfriends for help in getting out of an abusive situation, but instead, after initial support, they have all faded away. IMO they too have witnessed Kates behaviour and are uneasy about it, but unable to help her as she is unwilling to co-operate with them.
There is something steely and almost feral about Kate. Her first emotion is self preservation and I do think she would have to be really up against the wall before she considered suicide, though, like the "tears" shed in the interview at Brian Kennedys house, she might threaten or even make a display of attempted suicide. The trouble with that strategy is that such acts sometimes go wrong and the display results in death, but that is not the same as a sincere wish to die.

All this is just my opinion and I have no wish to change anybody elses beliefs. Any one of us could be right and only the McCanns know the true picture.

lynn wrote:

lubelle wrote:[quote=
Sorry to bore everyone with my feelings...x

No way are you boring. When it was first raised that Madeleine could have been in the company of "wicked men" some forums deleted the postings, so that thought was already in the minds of a lot of people. Fancy a doctor (DP) saying such things to that lady and what he said seems to have not been looked into, and that raises questions as to why not. What on earth goes on with those friends of theirs. Padeophiles are known to get what they want and are often very cruel. The fact that DP was in the apartment for a while raises questions. I do not like Gerry McCann at all. Don't know him of course, but actions speak louder than words!

EXACTLY

eddie wrote:I disagree with this viewpoint entirely.

DP may be a pervert or he may not. I do not think he had anything to do with Maddies death/disappearance so I think he is irrelevant imo.

Kate McCann is a woman full of guilt. That is what is eating away at her. She and her husband covered it up, I don't believe anyone else was involved. I think they overdosed her, tried to revive her and then covered up her death and hid her body before they went out. Gerry is the mastermind behind it all.

But I also truly believe that the punishment of 'getting away with it' will kill her more surely than any punishment. When you do something 'accidently' there is always a certain relief in getting punished...think about it...you feel as though you've paid for your 'mistake'. She needs to be 'punished' so she punishes herself daily, probably. Can you imagine how vile she feels?? Gerry probably does too,. but woman are different to men and what she has doen goes against the very nature of being a mother.

I think I lean more on the side of the McCanns doing this out of pure love for themselves, eachother and the twins (probably in that order too). It was self-suffience that made them cover up her death. I don't think they ever thought it'd go this far either and now they have started this whole big-bang-drums-parade, they don't know how to get off without causing suspicion; when is the best time to say "we're not looking?" ? Will their family let them? If you do something loudly enough people start to believe you - I think this is the method behind Gerry's thinking. It would certainly be the way I would behave (IF I ever was vile enough to do this you understand....)


See, I know it's hard but to think like them you have to BE them. I am quite good at seeing the 'good' in people (Amber and David will vouch for that lol). I can see how love may have made Gerry do this whole ceover-up and how he very easily convinced Kate that this was for the best and that he was doign it for her... Most crimes are committed out of love or hate and thsi crime of covering up the death of their daughter wasn't done out of hate, but love.

That's also why I feel that they have buried her, laid her to rest somewhere. Because I do believe they loved her too, probably not enough, or how they should. All in all, I guess I think this was a crime of passion, albeit an evil, selfish one.


One that I hope will be revealed to everyone one day.


EDIT TO SAY: I do NOT condone what they have done nor feel sorry for them atall. I dislike them intensely for letting that girl die. I was just trying to put a different view across as I don't think was any nasty underhand paedo thing going on, I think that's just nonsence sorry.

justagrannynow wrote:I wasn't going to join in this thread as I felt it was only right for members who see Kate in a different light to myself should be able to discuss it without being pressured by me, but I have to agree with Eddie.
If the Gaspars statements are true, and I believe they are, then both David Payne and Gerry McCann have some deviant tendencies to say the least, but I don't think these activites were responsible for whatever has happened to Madeleine. There is no way Kate would have kept quiet under those circumstances.
For me, the most likely scenario is Madeleine falling off the settee and being found by either Kate or Gerry. As for Kate being dominated by Gerry, I just don't see her in that way.
When this case first hit the TV screens I was full of sympathy for this family and believed what they said. Even when Kate started to join in the TV appeals and seemed emotionless and dry eyed I put it down to her being medicated and made all sorts of allowances for her odd remarks and behaviour, but then we were presented with the glowing, laughing Kate, more than willing to give interviews to the media and pose for pictures in a way which left me uneasy and bewildered. That Vanity Fair photograph is so artifical it makes me cringe. Now if she was being sustained by medication which blocked off her fears and tears, it would also have blocked off her happiness too, leaving her in a sort of calm, no mans land. She could not have behaved as she did, laughing while she held up pictures of Madeleine, or cheerfully disscussing where Madeleine might be and how she was coping etc. I concluded that, for some reason, she was experiencing relief. That could only be associated with the McCanns believing they had escaped something or other. No way could they have felt relief about anything associated with Madeleines disappearance if they had not been involved and had no idea what their child was going through.
For me, Kate and Gerry seem to work very much as a team. Kate believes that Gerry is smart enough to get them out of this mess and is a willing partner in whatever plans are currently being concocted. If she was a victim I would see her looking towards her parents, especially her mother, and her schoolfriends for help in getting out of an abusive situation, but instead, after initial support, they have all faded away. IMO they too have witnessed Kates behaviour and are uneasy about it, but unable to help her as she is unwilling to co-operate with them.
There is something steely and almost feral about Kate. Her first emotion is self preservation and I do think she would have to be really up against the wall before she considered suicide, though, like the "tears" shed in the interview at Brian Kennedys house, she might threaten or even make a display of attempted suicide. The trouble with that strategy is that such acts sometimes go wrong and the display results in death, but that is not the same as a sincere wish to die.

All this is just my opinion and I have no wish to change anybody elses beliefs. Any one of us could be right and only the McCanns know the true picture.

We both think alike on this Gran. I only see relief, at times in her face. I also see the pain of carrying a horrible secret that she cannot reveal.
If Maddie had been abducted, strange as this may sound, she would be looking a little better (not so "twisted" in her features). She would have been coming to terms with her loss. Gerry's arrogance is not that of a man saying "I will not be negative, I know my daughter is alive!" It is more of a challenging arrogance, the kind you only see when someone is saying "I will PROVE you wrong about me...Find her body then!!" He has also switched off his emotions too, as this would appear the only way he can get through this (in my opinion he was more attatched to Maddie than Kate was). When his Big-Bang-Drum parade has gone quiet that is when he will break.
All this is my opinion of course, and like Gran, I am not shouting over anyone elses ideas or opinions x