McCanns ask for thousands of Euros from Amaral

The couple wants between 100 and 500 thousand Euros compensation

Even with Oprah “help” the financial capacity of the fund no longer is the one the couple got used to in 2007

Donations increased after the Oprah Show but not enough to keep the fund active for much longer.

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One hundred to 500 thousand Euros compensation is the amount Kate and Gerry McCann want to receive from Gonçalo Amaral, the former coordinator of the Department of Criminal Investigation (DIC) of the Judicial Police (PJ) of Portimão. The lawsuit, according to the McCanns, aims at putting money into the fund that the couple uses to finance its expenditures of the campaign they have promoted since the disappearance of their daughter.
The information has been confirmed to the 24horas by a source of the “Madeleine’s Fund – Leaving No Stone Unturned”, the financial fund created by Maddie’s parents nine days after the disappearance of the child.
“The couple is hoping to receive at least a six-digit compensation,” said the same source adding that “other legal actions are not excluded, which will help putting money into the Find Madeleine fund and helping the campaign.” 24horas knows that since 2007 – soon after Kate and Gerry McCann’s return to England – the couple’s lawyers have a list of media, of journalists and even of Portuguese and English blogs that the McCanns are looking at as a possible “target”.
Gonçalo Amaral is the main target of the McCanns: according to the same source, the person in charge of the investigation into Maddie’s disappearance is “the only person who continues to question Madeleine’s abduction” and this “affects the credibility of the couple and the work of the investigators”.
The former PJ coordinator’s movements have always been the target of greatest attention for the detectives hired by the McCanns – an initiative started off by the Spanish people from Metodo 3 but remaining up to date in a report disclosing information about Gonçalo Amaral’s private and professional life and lists details such as the family’s bank accounts, and even the list of their closest friends. Part of this report, however, has been transmitted to a Portuguese lawyer who has used it in declarations and accusations related to another process.
The lawsuits seem to be the best means Kate and Gerry McCann found to finance their activities of the “Find Madeleine” campaign – a private organisation mainly managed by the family and now having Kate and Gerry as directors.
After having received more than 700,000 Euros compensation in lawsuits against various English newspapers, which have never gone through any court rooms, the couple is now aiming at various targets in Portugal: “It is clear that Amaral is the main target, but other possibilities exist, especially amongst the media and on the internet where defamatory statements regarding the couple have been made,” said the same source.

The millionaire “drops” his support

Despite the numerous donations made to the “Find Madeleine” fund since Kate and Gerry McCann’s interview at Oprah’s talk-show – a North American television programme that SIC has broadcasted in Portugal – the financial capacity of the fund no longer is the one the couple got used to in 2007, and even the Scottish multimillionaire Brian Kennedy turned his back on the expenses of Clarence Mitchell, the spokesperson of Maddie’s parents.
As 24horas already revealed in March this year, the multimillionaire, Brian Kennedy, ceased to support the activities of the McCanns alleging financial reasons to justify his withdrawal. Clarence Mitchell, the spokesperson of Kate and Gerry McCann, had already confirmed this piece of information to the 24horas saying that the multimillionaire neither paid any longer for his services nor for the payment of the detectives hired by the couple.
Despite the abandon of the multimillionaire, Clarence Mitchell assured to the 24horas that he will continue to work alongside Kate and Gerry McCann. The spokesperson of the couple, communication and public relations specialist has reduced the number of his declarations but keeps in permanent contact with the journalists.
Brian Kennedy would have seen his fortune diminishing for more than 50 million pounds which, however, would not be the only reason behind his decision to abandon his support to the couple – a source close to the multimillionaire told 24horas that Kennedy had neither appreciated the expenditures of the Spanish detectives (Metodo 3), nor the half a million pounds paid to an American company for six months of a supposed inquiry.

Paedophile says he knows nothing regarding Maddie

Raymond Hewllet

Raymond Hewlett, the English citizen denounced by the two former British detectives hired by the McCanns as the alleged suspect in Madeleine’s disappearance, denied to have seen or approached the child during the time he lived in the Algarve and has reaffirmed to the 24horas “that he had no involvement in the disappearance” of the child. This is Hewlett’s reaction to the information published during the past few weeks in the various German and British newspapers saying that the English citizen supposedly saw Maddie on two occasions.
Yesterday, in declarations to the “Sunday Mirror”, Hewlett confirmed what he had already said to the 24horas: “The only time I saw Madeleine McCann was on posters regarding the disappearance,” adding that he saw her once on television but “never in real life”.
“It is obvious why they are interested in me. But they can think what they want. I did not kill the girl. This is the truth and it will never change,” said the British to the English newspaper.
Sources close to the Leicestershire police revealed to the 24horas that the Hewlett’s profile does not correspond to the one of an eventual abductor of Madeleine and that “all the suspicions of the McCann’s detectives in relation to Hewlett are based on assumptions, as facts or evidences to support them in this direction do not exist”. – “In the first phase of the joint investigation carried out in Portugal, all the individuals registered on file or suspected of sexual aggression acts, paedophilia or abduction, had been investigated and eliminated as suspects one by one,” concluded the same source.
The alleged suspect, currently in Aachen (Germany) in the terminal phase of a cancer disease, confirmed having been questioned by the West Yorkshire police but denied having been questioned regarding Madeleine’s disappearance.
“Yes, I have spoken to the British police and am willing to collaborate as far as my state of health permits, but they were not interested in Maddie’s disappearance,” said Hewlett to the 24horas adding that on 3 May 2007 “I was not in Praia da Luz”.

Hewlett appeared on the front pages of the British tabloids after the two former British detectives, Dave Edgar and Arthur Cowley – known on Internet as “Dupont et Dupond” (Thomson and Thompson) referring to the two police officers of the comic book Tintin – revealed that the British citizen lived in the Algarve in 2007 and that the man had already been condemned in paedophilia cases in the 70s.
“An alleged paedophile who is about to die would be the ideal suspect to divert the attention of the public opinion and raise doubts in people’s minds,” said a PJ inspector in the Algarve to the 24horas, adding that “all the alleged suspects so far indicated by the private detectives had been investigated and nothing indicated that they were involved in the disappearance of the girl.”
Questioned regarding Gonçalo Amaral’s theory, the inspector only added that “Amaral has much experience, without enough elements he would never put this theory forward”.

Duarte Levy on 24horas

Wow, with the amount of money the McCanns are asking for, they'd better sue Cristiano Ronaldo! One of the things it's necessary to ask in Justice is an amount of money, the asking part knows it's possible to get from the other part, otherwise, they run a risk of getting a "fiasco" back or just a few Euros when compared to the amount asked!


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Asking for all that money! Well, Madeleine is definately not with us, but with the Angels, It would benefit the McCanns a lot more monetary-wise to have Madeleine found alive and well and what a story that would be. So, they will eventually fall into the hole they are digging for themselves!

Just how much money do they want before they call it quits. They will just waste it on wild goose chases yet again. Shame on them for not confessing.

Jacqui67 wrote:Just how much money do they want before they call it quits. They will just waste it on wild goose chases yet again. Shame on them for not confessing.

Well said Jacqui

The couple wants?????????????

They can want all they like and they can wait forever for it

Isn't the compsensation awarded in defamation cases decided by the judge/ jury? The thrid party ( judge and jury) decide on how much upset the accused caused. You `can't decide that yourself. Also , it has to be agreed first that you have been defamed. I've never heard of anyone asking for an amount before, especially when it hasn't even been proven yet??

Binky wrote:Isn't the compsensation awarded in defamation cases decided by the judge/ jury? The thrid party ( judge and jury) decide on how much upset the accused caused. You `can't decide that yourself. Also , it has to be agreed first that you have been defamed. I've never heard of anyone asking for an amount before, especially when it hasn't even been proven yet??

I thought this was the case too Binky. also, where do they think Amaral can conjure up these amounts of money from?

Binky wrote:Isn't the compsensation awarded in defamation cases decided by the judge/ jury? The thrid party ( judge and jury) decide on how much upset the accused caused. You `can't decide that yourself. Also , it has to be agreed first that you have been defamed. I've never heard of anyone asking for an amount before, especially when it hasn't even been proven yet??

Good point there Binky Can any Portuguese posters clear this up for us?

Harvesmom wrote:

Binky wrote:Isn't the compsensation awarded in defamation cases decided by the judge/ jury? The thrid party ( judge and jury) decide on how much upset the accused caused. You `can't decide that yourself. Also , it has to be agreed first that you have been defamed. I've never heard of anyone asking for an amount before, especially when it hasn't even been proven yet??

I thought this was the case too Binky. also, where do they think Amaral can conjure up these amounts of money from?

They must think because its a best seller he can now afford to pay them from the proceeds. How ironic that they hate that book and its contents but they dont mind having the money from it.

Binky wrote:Isn't the compsensation awarded in defamation cases decided by the judge/ jury? The thrid party ( judge and jury) decide on how much upset the accused caused. You `can't decide that yourself. Also , it has to be agreed first that you have been defamed. I've never heard of anyone asking for an amount before, especially when it hasn't even been proven yet??

Exactly!! But, firstly, it's necessary to prove there was a defamation. Generally this can involve a criminal action (the defamation) and then a civilian process where the amount is set.

Dogwood wrote:

Harvesmom wrote:

Binky wrote:Isn't the compsensation awarded in defamation cases decided by the judge/ jury? The thrid party ( judge and jury) decide on how much upset the accused caused. You `can't decide that yourself. Also , it has to be agreed first that you have been defamed. I've never heard of anyone asking for an amount before, especially when it hasn't even been proven yet??

I thought this was the case too Binky. also, where do they think Amaral can conjure up these amounts of money from?

They must think because its a best seller he can now afford to pay them from the proceeds. How ironic that they hate that book and its contents but they dont mind having the money from it.

That's how they got things wrong. Amaral's book (even being a best-seller) is not enough to pay the amount desired by the McCanns. So, let's see:

Each book costs around 15 Euros. The biggest part of this amount goes to the publisher. The retailer also keeps a fraction of it (their profit) and generally the author is the person earning less in all this process. Then, this money earned by the author, needs to be declared in the annual taxation report (Declaração IRS) and there are taxes over this money. The majority donates for charities in order to have some compensations in taxes, otherwise they will have to pay a lot. So, this is just to demonstrate Amaral can't pay the amount they want. That's why on my first post in this thread, I said ironically they'd better sue Cristiano Ronaldo, if they really are thinking in that amount.

FSoares wrote:

Binky wrote:Isn't the compsensation awarded in defamation cases decided by the judge/ jury? The thrid party ( judge and jury) decide on how much upset the accused caused. You `can't decide that yourself. Also , it has to be agreed first that you have been defamed. I've never heard of anyone asking for an amount before, especially when it hasn't even been proven yet??

Exactly!! But, firstly, it's necessary to prove there was a defamation. Generally this can involve a criminal action (the defamation) and then a civilian process where the amount is set.

binky asked me this yesterday but i had no idea. good job we have portuguese posters who know what the questions mean and can answer em.

I can't believe the utter nerve of this foul couple, seeking money, money, money wherever their greedy hands can reach. All this on the back of their dead daughter. I find it completely repellent.

I came late to his case. When it first hit the news I could not even bear to look at the Mcmonsters and insisted whoever held the remote for the tv " get them off the screen! The male one bawling in our faces "FIND MADELEINE" my reaction was "find her yourself - thug". I am probably light years behind the rest of you and making a fool of myself but I believe that there was to have been an abduction of some kind on that holiday. I believe the "doctors" involved are far from clever and have stuck to the pre-rehearsed script even though something went wrong and, instead of being sold to the highest bidder, Madeleine was killed. The first thing that strikes a wrong cord is why go on a group holiday when they have very little, obvious, contact in the uk and do not even live near each other or know each other very well. Then there are the photos of this little girl in make-up and some very Playboy like poses and her being described as beautiful, vivacious, special and "you could have a lot of fun with Madeleine". Too much s**t has hit the fan regarding the sexual tastes of the "husbands" in the group for it to be discounted. Clothes, texts, photos and cameras disappeared or were doctored - no pun intended. The Mccanns were so strongly protected by - who? - that no-one, not the PJ in Portugal or the UK police, was allowed to upset them with hurtful or upsetting questions. So, my belief is that we, the ignorant masses have been given a rare and tantalising glimpse into the world of baby farming for paedos - rich powerful ones. I think that Madeleine "Kate and Gerry's pride and joy" would be more accurately described as their Cash Cow (is that why details of their financial circumstances have been protected like the crown jewels?) and that most of the photos that were released almost immediately were already out there on porn sites and those involved had to be warned. Kate and Gerry Mccann are so obnoxious that, surely, even the people protecting them must be horrified at their hideous excesses. Gordon Brown is involved and he is on the way out so maybe we will see some of the protection easing off and they will finally have to answer some questions. Nothing can compensate for those, Amaral in particular but many other innocent victims and witnesses, whose lives have been irrevocably changed by the intimidation, threats and bribes metered out by the Mcmachine. Amaral has risen above it but how he must have suffered in the meantime. It is him I pray for, I hope he is safe.

lnorton wrote:I came late to his case. When it first hit the news I could not even bear to look at the Mcmonsters and insisted whoever held the remote for the tv " get them off the screen! The male one bawling in our faces "FIND MADELEINE" my reaction was "find her yourself - thug". I am probably light years behind the rest of you and making a fool of myself but I believe that there was to have been an abduction of some kind on that holiday. I believe the "doctors" involved are far from clever and have stuck to the pre-rehearsed script even though something went wrong and, instead of being sold to the highest bidder, Madeleine was killed. The first thing that strikes a wrong cord is why go on a group holiday when they have very little, obvious, contact in the uk and do not even live near each other or know each other very well. Then there are the photos of this little girl in make-up and some very Playboy like poses and her being described as beautiful, vivacious, special and "you could have a lot of fun with Madeleine". Too much s**t has hit the fan regarding the sexual tastes of the "husbands" in the group for it to be discounted. Clothes, texts, photos and cameras disappeared or were doctored - no pun intended. The Mccanns were so strongly protected by - who? - that no-one, not the PJ in Portugal or the UK police, was allowed to upset them with hurtful or upsetting questions. So, my belief is that we, the ignorant masses have been given a rare and tantalising glimpse into the world of baby farming for paedos - rich powerful ones. I think that Madeleine "Kate and Gerry's pride and joy" would be more accurately described as their Cash Cow (is that why details of their financial circumstances have been protected like the crown jewels?) and that most of the photos that were released almost immediately were already out there on porn sites and those involved had to be warned. Kate and Gerry Mccann are so obnoxious that, surely, even the people protecting them must be horrified at their hideous excesses. Gordon Brown is involved and he is on the way out so maybe we will see some of the protection easing off and they will finally have to answer some questions. Nothing can compensate for those, Amaral in particular but many other innocent victims and witnesses, whose lives have been irrevocably changed by the intimidation, threats and bribes metered out by the Mcmachine. Amaral has risen above it but how he must have suffered in the meantime. It is him I pray for, I hope he is safe.

Excellent comment norton

I've thought of that often too. I hope Amaral isnt in any danger. Dr Kelly comes to mind.

lnorton wrote:I came late to his case. When it first hit the news I could not even bear to look at the Mcmonsters and insisted whoever held the remote for the tv " get them off the screen! The male one bawling in our faces "FIND MADELEINE" my reaction was "find her yourself - thug". I am probably light years behind the rest of you and making a fool of myself but I believe that there was to have been an abduction of some kind on that holiday. I believe the "doctors" involved are far from clever and have stuck to the pre-rehearsed script even though something went wrong and, instead of being sold to the highest bidder, Madeleine was killed. The first thing that strikes a wrong cord is why go on a group holiday when they have very little, obvious, contact in the uk and do not even live near each other or know each other very well. Then there are the photos of this little girl in make-up and some very Playboy like poses and her being described as beautiful, vivacious, special and "you could have a lot of fun with Madeleine". Too much s**t has hit the fan regarding the sexual tastes of the "husbands" in the group for it to be discounted. Clothes, texts, photos and cameras disappeared or were doctored - no pun intended. The Mccanns were so strongly protected by - who? - that no-one, not the PJ in Portugal or the UK police, was allowed to upset them with hurtful or upsetting questions. So, my belief is that we, the ignorant masses have been given a rare and tantalising glimpse into the world of baby farming for paedos - rich powerful ones. I think that Madeleine "Kate and Gerry's pride and joy" would be more accurately described as their Cash Cow (is that why details of their financial circumstances have been protected like the crown jewels?) and that most of the photos that were released almost immediately were already out there on porn sites and those involved had to be warned. Kate and Gerry Mccann are so obnoxious that, surely, even the people protecting them must be horrified at their hideous excesses. Gordon Brown is involved and he is on the way out so maybe we will see some of the protection easing off and they will finally have to answer some questions. Nothing can compensate for those, Amaral in particular but many other innocent victims and witnesses, whose lives have been irrevocably changed by the intimidation, threats and bribes metered out by the Mcmachine. Amaral has risen above it but how he must have suffered in the meantime. It is him I pray for, I hope he is safe.

Hi lNorton, I don't happen to agree with your scenario of what happened, that is to say - I don't think Madeleine was farmed out for paedos or has anything to do with paedos. Stiil, your view is certainly one to be considered and it is a good post. Look forward to reading more

Who are these "sources" close to the Madeleine Fund? Until GA is formally informed about what action the McCann's are taking against him I wouldn't believe anything I read in the scummy press.

lnorton wrote:I came late to his case. When it first hit the news I could not even bear to look at the Mcmonsters and insisted whoever held the remote for the tv " get them off the screen! The male one bawling in our faces "FIND MADELEINE" my reaction was "find her yourself - thug". I am probably light years behind the rest of you and making a fool of myself but I believe that there was to have been an abduction of some kind on that holiday. I believe the "doctors" involved are far from clever and have stuck to the pre-rehearsed script even though something went wrong and, instead of being sold to the highest bidder, Madeleine was killed. The first thing that strikes a wrong cord is why go on a group holiday when they have very little, obvious, contact in the uk and do not even live near each other or know each other very well. Then there are the photos of this little girl in make-up and some very Playboy like poses and her being described as beautiful, vivacious, special and "you could have a lot of fun with Madeleine". Too much s**t has hit the fan regarding the sexual tastes of the "husbands" in the group for it to be discounted. Clothes, texts, photos and cameras disappeared or were doctored - no pun intended. The Mccanns were so strongly protected by - who? - that no-one, not the PJ in Portugal or the UK police, was allowed to upset them with hurtful or upsetting questions. So, my belief is that we, the ignorant masses have been given a rare and tantalising glimpse into the world of baby farming for paedos - rich powerful ones. I think that Madeleine "Kate and Gerry's pride and joy" would be more accurately described as their Cash Cow (is that why details of their financial circumstances have been protected like the crown jewels?) and that most of the photos that were released almost immediately were already out there on porn sites and those involved had to be warned. Kate and Gerry Mccann are so obnoxious that, surely, even the people protecting them must be horrified at their hideous excesses. Gordon Brown is involved and he is on the way out so maybe we will see some of the protection easing off and they will finally have to answer some questions. Nothing can compensate for those, Amaral in particular but many other innocent victims and witnesses, whose lives have been irrevocably changed by the intimidation, threats and bribes metered out by the Mcmachine. Amaral has risen above it but how he must have suffered in the meantime. It is him I pray for, I hope he is safe.

Personally I don't think any of this was pre-planned. I also don't believe in government cover-ups or any of the conspiracy theories doing the rounds. I honestly believe the answer to this is so much simpler but unfortunately, unless that little girl is found or someone comes forward to confess, I doubt we'll ever know what really happened.

I thought they just wanted the book PULPED..now their asking for money!!

What angers me most is Mr Amaral is suing the mccanns, the mccanns are suing Mr Amaral YET...Mr Amarals suit is taking LONGER than the mccanns to be processed, why?

kitti wrote:I thought they just wanted the book PULPED..now their asking for money!!

What angers me most is Mr Amaral is suing the mccanns, the mccanns are suing Mr Amaral YET...Mr Amarals suit is taking LONGER than the mccanns to be processed, why?

Could be he's waiting for theirs to be processed first as he's countersuing. I dont have a legal mind but I think you can only countersue if someone sues first

lnorton wrote:I came late to his case. When it first hit the news I could not even bear to look at the Mcmonsters and insisted whoever held the remote for the tv " get them off the screen! The male one bawling in our faces "FIND MADELEINE" my reaction was "find her yourself - thug". I am probably light years behind the rest of you and making a fool of myself but I believe that there was to have been an abduction of some kind on that holiday. I believe the "doctors" involved are far from clever and have stuck to the pre-rehearsed script even though something went wrong and, instead of being sold to the highest bidder, Madeleine was killed. The first thing that strikes a wrong cord is why go on a group holiday when they have very little, obvious, contact in the uk and do not even live near each other or know each other very well. Then there are the photos of this little girl in make-up and some very Playboy like poses and her being described as beautiful, vivacious, special and "you could have a lot of fun with Madeleine". Too much s**t has hit the fan regarding the sexual tastes of the "husbands" in the group for it to be discounted. Clothes, texts, photos and cameras disappeared or were doctored - no pun intended. The Mccanns were so strongly protected by - who? - that no-one, not the PJ in Portugal or the UK police, was allowed to upset them with hurtful or upsetting questions. So, my belief is that we, the ignorant masses have been given a rare and tantalising glimpse into the world of baby farming for paedos - rich powerful ones. I think that Madeleine "Kate and Gerry's pride and joy" would be more accurately described as their Cash Cow (is that why details of their financial circumstances have been protected like the crown jewels?) and that most of the photos that were released almost immediately were already out there on porn sites and those involved had to be warned. Kate and Gerry Mccann are so obnoxious that, surely, even the people protecting them must be horrified at their hideous excesses. Gordon Brown is involved and he is on the way out so maybe we will see some of the protection easing off and they will finally have to answer some questions. Nothing can compensate for those, Amaral in particular but many other innocent victims and witnesses, whose lives have been irrevocably changed by the intimidation, threats and bribes metered out by the Mcmachine. Amaral has risen above it but how he must have suffered in the meantime. It is him I pray for, I hope he is safe.

One thing doesn't seem quite right about your theory.....if they don't know each other well, how did they all end up in the same baby farming ring? Surely that sort of activity is only something you would speak about to someone you know well and who you suspect might be involved in it?

When you read cases about partners abusing children together, I always wonder how they ever get round to having that sort of conversation in the first place. It seems like something a loner would be doing, not a couple.

I think it ws Matt Oldfield that said he didnt know the mccans very well, if so, why let him into the apt to check on the children, i wouldnt.

Why go on a holiday TOGETHER and only meet in the evening?

Angelina wrote:

lnorton wrote:I came late to his case. When it first hit the news I could not even bear to look at the Mcmonsters and insisted whoever held the remote for the tv " get them off the screen! The male one bawling in our faces "FIND MADELEINE" my reaction was "find her yourself - thug". I am probably light years behind the rest of you and making a fool of myself but I believe that there was to have been an abduction of some kind on that holiday. I believe the "doctors" involved are far from clever and have stuck to the pre-rehearsed script even though something went wrong and, instead of being sold to the highest bidder, Madeleine was killed. The first thing that strikes a wrong cord is why go on a group holiday when they have very little, obvious, contact in the uk and do not even live near each other or know each other very well. Then there are the photos of this little girl in make-up and some very Playboy like poses and her being described as beautiful, vivacious, special and "you could have a lot of fun with Madeleine". Too much s**t has hit the fan regarding the sexual tastes of the "husbands" in the group for it to be discounted. Clothes, texts, photos and cameras disappeared or were doctored - no pun intended. The Mccanns were so strongly protected by - who? - that no-one, not the PJ in Portugal or the UK police, was allowed to upset them with hurtful or upsetting questions. So, my belief is that we, the ignorant masses have been given a rare and tantalising glimpse into the world of baby farming for paedos - rich powerful ones. I think that Madeleine "Kate and Gerry's pride and joy" would be more accurately described as their Cash Cow (is that why details of their financial circumstances have been protected like the crown jewels?) and that most of the photos that were released almost immediately were already out there on porn sites and those involved had to be warned. Kate and Gerry Mccann are so obnoxious that, surely, even the people protecting them must be horrified at their hideous excesses. Gordon Brown is involved and he is on the way out so maybe we will see some of the protection easing off and they will finally have to answer some questions. Nothing can compensate for those, Amaral in particular but many other innocent victims and witnesses, whose lives have been irrevocably changed by the intimidation, threats and bribes metered out by the Mcmachine. Amaral has risen above it but how he must have suffered in the meantime. It is him I pray for, I hope he is safe.

One thing doesn't seem quite right about your theory.....if they don't know each other well, how did they all end up in the same baby farming ring? Surely that sort of activity is only something you would speak about to someone you know well and who you suspect might be involved in it?

When you read cases about partners abusing children together, I always wonder how they ever get round to having that sort of conversation in the first place. It seems like something a loner would be doing, not a couple.

I am having trouble using this "quote" facility.
My answer to this is that these people having the babies are the bottom of the pile - yes, you oh so important Mr & Mrs Doctors, bottom of the pile - and it is all out there on the internet. It would be like any other club - golf, tennis, bridge. As a player you can go anywhere in the world and meet other players, maybe strike up friendships, exchange experiences etc.

kitti wrote:I think it ws Matt Oldfield that said he didnt know the mccans very well, if so, why let him into the apt to check on the children, i wouldnt.

Why go on a holiday TOGETHER and only meet in the evening?

good point. By all means let them play with your kids when you're around but dont let strangers into your apartment when those kids are all alone. Also Oldfield was supposed to have checked and then admitted he didnt really do a good check. Why arent the Macs suspicious of him if they think that an abudctor exists?