The chances of the McCanns winning the hearing. What do you think?

viv wrote:The libel hearing is to follow on from that I understand, it is axiomatic that if Goncalo wins, there will be no libel hearing. But I think we need to bear in mind a court has already injuncted him pending that hearing, this is him appealing against that, so far as I understand it. Odd really that it turned out there was no plan for either him or the McCann to give evidence, particularly him!

Can you expand on that word I've high lighted in red, or are you just trying it on ?

due dilligence and responsibility apply now ?

Are you trying to "baffle folks with BULLSHIT" ?

LA

Well at least now I know why you asked me if I was Carmen the other night, I am afraid I cannot quite get my head around your little conspiratorial world.

it means obvious LA, you could have looked it up! Have you been on the sauce?

lea wrote:

Laffin Assasin wrote:

viv wrote:It is not a proven fact that "the little girl is dead" or that the McCanns disposed of her body, so technically that is most certainly libel.

I can assure you I do know an awful lot of facts and evidence about the case and have spent more hours over the last two and half years researching them than I would care to admit!

I think the trouble is some people have difficult deciding what facts are and at the end of the day, it is for a court of law to decide having heard all the evidence, not you or I or Goncalo Amaral!

I'm prepared to stand in a witness box in a UK court and say that I'm of the opion that Maddy is dead and give my reasonoing for coming to that conclution.
I'll put my "house" and bank accountt on my train of though. Even my "life" if it gets to the "TRUTH".

i think its such a shame the dogs cant be used as evidence and the 15 out of 19 markers which would result in a prosecution in the uk and not in portugal is where the real truth lies,its such a shame for Amaral if he loses this case,after all his hard work and pressures he has endured through all of this.

Mr Amaral, if he loses, will not be the end of the WAR, it'll just be a minor spot, in a bigger battle.

GORDON IS A MORON, but he daren't change his "TACK" sailing close to the wind, is our GORDON.

viv wrote:LA

Well at least now I know why you asked me if I was Carmen the other night, I am afraid I cannot quite get my head around your little conspiratorial world.

it means obvious LA, you could have looked it up! Have you been on the sauce?

Stop avoideing the direct questions !! please.

viv wrote:LA

Well at least now I know why you asked me if I was Carmen the other night, I am afraid I cannot quite get my head around your little conspiratorial world.

it means obvious LA, you could have looked it up! Have you been on the sauce?

Just answer the questions, don't obfusicate, are you missing TONY BENNETT, that's an additional to the above.

Laffin Assasin wrote:

lea wrote:

Laffin Assasin wrote:

viv wrote:It is not a proven fact that "the little girl is dead" or that the McCanns disposed of her body, so technically that is most certainly libel.

I can assure you I do know an awful lot of facts and evidence about the case and have spent more hours over the last two and half years researching them than I would care to admit!

I think the trouble is some people have difficult deciding what facts are and at the end of the day, it is for a court of law to decide having heard all the evidence, not you or I or Goncalo Amaral!

I'm prepared to stand in a witness box in a UK court and say that I'm of the opion that Maddy is dead and give my reasonoing for coming to that conclution.
I'll put my "house" and bank accountt on my train of though. Even my "life" if it gets to the "TRUTH".

i think its such a shame the dogs cant be used as evidence and the 15 out of 19 markers which would result in a prosecution in the uk and not in portugal is where the real truth lies,its such a shame for Amaral if he loses this case,after all his hard work and pressures he has endured through all of this.

Mr Amaral, if he loses, will not be the end of the WAR, it'll just be a minor spot, in a bigger battle.

GORDON IS A MORON, but he daren't change his "TACK" sailing close to the wind, is our GORDON.

GORDON IS A BLOODY MORON,I CANT STAND HIM WITH HIS QUIVERING MOUTH,
hope Amaral fights till the end and doesnt give up.

Yes of course I am Anna Raccoon, I run that blog and then I run another one called Justice for Maddie and call myself Viv. I am also a top government spy for Gordon Brown and I adore Clarence Mitchell.


There you are, did that answer your question

Its taking that long now and we are all losing our patience and i admit to having a cry for maddie every now and then especially when ive had a drink,
thinking about her all alone in a cold dark place is so awful and she deserves a lot better than that,
she deserves a propper burial where people can visit and pay their respects,
i hope and pray this is the year for justice and i look forward to meeting you all paying respects to "our maddie",
that would be wonderful,i just hope she didnt feel pain for too long,poor child.

i think i posted that last post on wrong thread sorry,had a few drinks,

viv wrote:Yes of course I am Anna Raccoon, I run that blog and then I run another one called Justice for Maddie and call myself Viv. I am also a top government spy for Gordon Brown and I adore Clarence Mitchell.


There you are, did that answer your question

Ha, so funny viv, have you partaken of the GRAPE ?

I agree it is funny, but it is what you have suggested! I did have a glass of red wine after my meal about 9.30 this evening. Other than that, sorry nothing but tea and fruit juice!

viv wrote:I agree it is funny, but it is what you have suggested! I did have a glass of red wine after my meal about 9.30 this evening. Other than that, sorry nothing but tea and fruit juice!

may I ask, why do you flit from thread to thread, when your attemting to argue a point ?

I believe that Amaral wins this case, and the ban will be lifted.
I think the initial banning of the book by the Portuguese court was strange (this goes against my sense of justice). Thinking about that it came to me that maybe, maybe, the initial banning of the book was a set up that allowed Amaral to line up his witnesses.
The initial banning and the possibility of earning 1 mln. brought the McC's to go on with it.
2nd reason that makes me think the ban will be lifted, is that Duarte is putting all her money on the judicial secrecy thing. Appearently that is all they have.

lynn wrote:It would not surprise me at all if the McCanns win. They have so much behind them and there is news to hand 'Madeleine McCann's parents to report Portuguese cop for breach of secrecy'. There should be more news on this later this evening.

It wouldnt surprise me at all....in the past when I thought they had reached a hurdle they couldnt get past, something or someone has bailed them out!

viv wrote:The libel hearing is to follow on from that I understand, it is axiomatic that if Goncalo wins, there will be no libel hearing. But I think we need to bear in mind a court has already injuncted him pending that hearing, this is him appealing against that, so far as I understand it. Odd really that it turned out there was no plan for either him or the McCann to give evidence, particularly him!

i believe you are correct on all counts.

I assume Dr. Amarals book can only get banned IF there are really lies in it.
Why not shed any light on this question, couple McCann?
Tell us the lies, please.
If there are no lies in the book, why to ban it then.
It would really be against the constitution in Portugal.

it doesn't matter now

it is easier to let the cat out of the bag than to get the cat back in

tabs wrote:it doesn't matter now

it is easier to let the cat out of the bag than to get the cat back in

......and deciding who to sue and silencing bloggers could be rather like herding cats!

Ambersuz wrote:

lynn wrote:It would not surprise me at all if the McCanns win. They have so much behind them and there is news to hand 'Madeleine McCann's parents to report Portuguese cop for breach of secrecy'. There should be more news on this later this evening.

It wouldnt surprise me at all....in the past when I thought they had reached a hurdle they couldnt get past, something or someone has bailed them out!

It's Gordon Brown with his trousers down, that's who (or what)

Laffin Assasin wrote:

viv wrote:I agree it is funny, but it is what you have suggested! I did have a glass of red wine after my meal about 9.30 this evening. Other than that, sorry nothing but tea and fruit juice!

may I ask, why do you flit from thread to thread, when your attemting to argue a point ?

Have you been stalking me

Seriously though this hit me with a writ, I hate Gordon Brown does begin to pall just a tad

Bebootje wrote:I believe that Amaral wins this case, and the ban will be lifted.
I think the initial banning of the book by the Portuguese court was strange (this goes against my sense of justice). Thinking about that it came to me that maybe, maybe, the initial banning of the book was a set up that allowed Amaral to line up his witnesses.
The initial banning and the possibility of earning 1 mln. brought the McC's to go on with it.
2nd reason that makes me think the ban will be lifted, is that Duarte is putting all her money on the judicial secrecy thing. Appearently that is all they have.

I think Goncalo will lose on the injunction but win on damages, he will not have to pay them any or very little. Going for him over the judicial secrecy and the lawyer smugly announcing she only managed to work that out when hearing the evidence does not make her sound very smart really does it? I think they know they will win the case on injunction but have no real claim for damages and even if they do, the publishers will pay. The McCanns need to destroy the reputation of Goncalo to improve their own, hence they need to demonstrate he is a criminal. But whilst he obviously did breach the secrecy of justice, so did they and the fact is the PJ have not chosen to prosecute either for those breaches, so will they want to now? Unfortunately I do think it is possible they would want to make an example of Goncalo for doing this.

viv wrote:

Bebootje wrote:I believe that Amaral wins this case, and the ban will be lifted.
I think the initial banning of the book by the Portuguese court was strange (this goes against my sense of justice). Thinking about that it came to me that maybe, maybe, the initial banning of the book was a set up that allowed Amaral to line up his witnesses.
The initial banning and the possibility of earning 1 mln. brought the McC's to go on with it.
2nd reason that makes me think the ban will be lifted, is that Duarte is putting all her money on the judicial secrecy thing. Appearently that is all they have.

I think Goncalo will lose on the injunction but win on damages, he will not have to pay them any or very little. Going for him over the judicial secrecy and the lawyer smugly announcing she only managed to work that out when hearing the evidence does not make her sound very smart really does it? I think they know they will win the case on injunction but have no real claim for damages and even if they do, the publishers will pay. The McCanns need to destroy the reputation of Goncalo to improve their own, hence they need to demonstrate he is a criminal. But whilst he obviously did breach the secrecy of justice, so did they and the fact is the PJ have not chosen to prosecute either for those breaches, so will they want to now? Unfortunately I do think it is possible they would want to make an example of Goncalo for doing this.

Viv i think your post is utter tripe, there is just no reason in it.
This is not a libel trial, its an appeal on the injunction.

Thanks for your reasoned assessment, are you Gerry and are you furious at the prospect of wasting all that Fund money (my money and I can do what I like with it, exit some Fund Directors who dare to disagree)speculating to accumulate and then being face with not getting the accumulator

I hope and trust that she(the judge) will not be forced politically, whatever her ruling will be.

viv wrote:I think Goncalo will lose on the injunction but win on damages, he will not have to pay them any or very little. Going for him over the judicial secrecy and the lawyer smugly announcing she only managed to work that out when hearing the evidence does not make her sound very smart really does it? I think they know they will win the case on injunction but have no real claim for damages and even if they do, the publishers will pay. The McCanns need to destroy the reputation of Goncalo to improve their own, hence they need to demonstrate he is a criminal. But whilst he obviously did breach the secrecy of justice, so did they and the fact is the PJ have not chosen to prosecute either for those breaches, so will they want to now? Unfortunately I do think it is possible they would want to make an example of Goncalo for doing this.

And what makes you think that?
All he has to do is prove that the contents of the book are based on the official documentation which is now on public domain.
Besides, the theory of the death in the apartment is not even his, but derives from the reports of chief inspector Tavares de Almeida, which in turn derives from reports from other experts, including British.
Soon you will be reaching the conclusion that anyone involved in that investigation and that at some point wrote a damaging report about the McCann's can be successfully prosecuted.
And why stop there? Suing the Portuguese State could be the next logical step. After all, all the 'libellous' statements have their origin in an official document.

The complaint about the breach of the secrecy of justice is a completely separate issue and will have no bearing on the outcome of this case.
What remains to be seen is if the Public Prosecutor will take this matter any further or simply archive it.
This type of ‘crime’ does not require a complaint from a private individual, e.g. the McCann’s or anyone else.
It is the obligation of the Public Prosecutor Services to investigate such crimes if and when they are known.
We all know that the book was published a few days after the archival of the investigation and this issue was raised at the time. If the PPS didn’t investigate this last year, they will look very foolish by doing so now.
This is just another episode in the war of detrition waged against Amaral.