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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 13 Sep - 19:19

Message from a woman, who is an old school friend of mine. She is a consultant on the new White Paper on health. I have asked her which areas of the NHS are being proposed for privatising in the White Paper.

A Department of Health official admitted at a meeting I attended that the current White Paper was intended to privatise swathes of the NHS, with money going to shareholders, who also by law have to take first priority over patients. Anyone have any comments on this? - I would be interested to know what you think?

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 13 Sep - 19:58

OK, here is my friend's reply to my question about areas of the NHS to be privatised.

"If you read some of the papers by Malcolm Alexander you will get some idea. Basically commissioning for all services, etc, which was previously done by the soon to be defunct PCTs, is going private in most GP consortia, from what we can gather from their initial responses. GPs have been given no choice as to joining consortia, but don't have the infrastucture for commissioning. Hospitals must become foundation trusts and the cap on their private work is likely to be revoked. The private sector will therefore be very influential re GPs, and can take over practices that do not conform to the financial saving model. The private sector by law has to put their shareholders first - and not patients!! My groups (who represent the older people in England) are very worried about this, but some, not all and maybe not most, GPs see it as a way to increase their income. It is being sold by the Government as increasing patient choice and voice. It is good that the public will have more say, but GPs are increasingly convinced they are being set up as the fall guys for the inevitable cuts in services to the public due to the recession leading to less, not more, choice. NHS privatisation is being kept very quiet by the media, and it was actually started (not all that sucessfully) by Labour. Landsley was bankrolled by private health companies for the election!!"

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Post  buildersbum on Mon 13 Sep - 20:32

AnnaEsse wrote:OK, here is my friend's reply to my question about areas of the NHS to be privatised.

"If you read some of the papers by Malcolm Alexander you will get some idea. Basically commissioning for all services, etc, which was previously done by the soon to be defunct PCTs, is going private in most GP consortia, from what we can gather from their initial responses. GPs have been given no choice as to joining consortia, but don't have the infrastucture for commissioning. Hospitals must become foundation trusts and the cap on their private work is likely to be revoked. The private sector will therefore be very influential re GPs, and can take over practices that do not conform to the financial saving model. The private sector by law has to put their shareholders first - and not patients!! My groups (who represent the older people in England) are very worried about this, but some, not all and maybe not most, GPs see it as a way to increase their income. It is being sold by the Government as increasing patient choice and voice. It is good that the public will have more say, but GPs are increasingly convinced they are being set up as the fall guys for the inevitable cuts in services to the public due to the recession leading to less, not more, choice. NHS privatisation is being kept very quiet by the media, and it was actually started (not all that sucessfully) by Labour. Landsley was bankrolled by private health companies for the election!!"


Listening to the evening news, its seems to me that there is trouble brewing with the trade unions threatning to strike, imo I think the Government are going to have alot on with this in the near future, with the UK's ongoing ressesion I have a feeling we are going to have unions taking over again, but will be interesting to see how this PCT pans out, because if this Government goes with this, plus with all the other cuts they are making, we will have a copy of the poll tax riots we had back in the 80's with Maggy and she had to BACK DOWN, what is it with these "newly" elected governments they seem to think they are invincible.

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Re: Parts of the NHS to be privatised?

Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 13 Sep - 20:42

buildersbum wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:OK, here is my friend's reply to my question about areas of the NHS to be privatised.

"If you read some of the papers by Malcolm Alexander you will get some idea. Basically commissioning for all services, etc, which was previously done by the soon to be defunct PCTs, is going private in most GP consortia, from what we can gather from their initial responses. GPs have been given no choice as to joining consortia, but don't have the infrastucture for commissioning. Hospitals must become foundation trusts and the cap on their private work is likely to be revoked. The private sector will therefore be very influential re GPs, and can take over practices that do not conform to the financial saving model. The private sector by law has to put their shareholders first - and not patients!! My groups (who represent the older people in England) are very worried about this, but some, not all and maybe not most, GPs see it as a way to increase their income. It is being sold by the Government as increasing patient choice and voice. It is good that the public will have more say, but GPs are increasingly convinced they are being set up as the fall guys for the inevitable cuts in services to the public due to the recession leading to less, not more, choice. NHS privatisation is being kept very quiet by the media, and it was actually started (not all that sucessfully) by Labour. Landsley was bankrolled by private health companies for the election!!"




Listening to the evening news, its seems to me that there is trouble brewing with the trade unions threatning to strike, imo I think the Government are going to have alot on with this in the near future, with the UK's ongoing ressesion I have a feeling we are going to have unions taking over again, but will be interesting to see how this PCT pans out, because if this Government goes with this, plus with all the other cuts they are making, we will have a copy of the poll tax riots we had back in the 80's with Maggy and she had to BACK DOWN, what is it with these "newly" elected governments they seem to think they are invincible.

I think they're seriously pushing their luck with proposed cuts in sickness benefits and privatising parts of the NHS.


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Post  buildersbum on Mon 13 Sep - 20:48

Yes I agree AnnaEsse, the UK public tend to forget alot of mistakes that Governments do in the long term, but NHS cuts and sickness benefits, we all need and the public will not let this happen so easly.

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Re: Parts of the NHS to be privatised?

Post  malena stool on Thu 16 Sep - 22:59

It will happen, have no doubts about it. Private enterprise is already heavily involved in the NHS: estates (maintenance), security, cleaning, car parks, IT consultancies, NHS consultants doing private work, agency work. Accountants with no medical knowledge whatever appointed as CEO's, non medical business managers dictating where budgets are allocated regardless of public opinion. If the truth were to be told I have no doubt there are British and foreign investment groups baying on the sidelines waiting to plunder our Health Service as they did all other Public Utilities that consecutive governments of all political bias' have sold off. (Quite illegally in my opinion.)

As a retired NHS pleb I have seen the service I trained in, develop a 'target' and 'league table' mentality where business executives have been appointed by ministers to focus not on patients and patient care, but along financial and administrative business methods and centralisation of specialist treatments.

This, or something like it will be the National Insurance Card of the future.... no card no treatment... a system quite satisfactorily practiced in the USA.

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