Apparent children bones found in a beach in Sagres

They may belong to a child who went missing in the Algarve in 2009. The child's father allegedly murdered the child's mother (his mistress) and made the child disappear. He then ran away to Germany where he was arrested. Both the PJ and the German Police thought he had killed the child too but the body was missing apparently until now. Hope the remain sare quickly identified and the culprit rots in jail.

http://sic.sapo.pt/online/noticias/pais/Encontradas+ossadas+de+crianca+na+Praia+do+Beliche+em+Sagres.htm

Thanks for bringing this news about this sad case. Justice for the poor little girl at last, I hope.

chrissie wrote:Thanks for bringing this news about this sad case. Justice for the poor little girl at last, I hope.

You're welcome.
Hope so, Chrissie. Hope so.

Google translation:

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Found skeletons of children in bunk Beach in Sagres

Some bones were found yesterday in the children's bunk beach in Sagres. Everything indicates that this is the daughter of German suspected of killing his girlfriend and mother of the child from drowning in Canavial beach in Lagos in July last year.


Gunnar Dorries, a German engineer to 43 years, is arrested in Germany on suspicion of double murder, his girlfriend and daughter, to July 10, 2010.

The girl, 21 months, has disappeared since that day and the German always refused to disclose his whereabouts. Portuguese and German authorities believe is dead.

Witnesses claim to have seen Dorries to drown his girlfriend Georgina Canavial Beach in Lagos. The German then grabbed the child and fled. It took three hours to reach the hotel, already without the baby.

The suspect then rented a car and went to Lisbon, where he caught a plane to Germany. There was detained and arrested since then and that is where it should be judged, risking life imprisonment.

The authorities of both countries are certain that Dorries did not want to take her daughter nor the double life he had with the young Angolan. Will therefore planned the crimes.

Thank you Claudia. I remember this story and I hope the remains are identified quickly, whoever that small child may be, so that her family can lay her to rest.

AnnaEsse wrote:Thank you Claudia. I remember this story and I hope the remains are identified quickly, whoever that small child may be, so that her family can lay her to rest.

I hope so too, Anna. So her family can lay her to rest properly and her murder can pay for the crime.

How very sad. At least now she will be given a proper place to rest and get justice
with the person who did this terrible deed rotting in hell!

I remember that case......how very sad, at least she has been found.

I'm glad she's been found.
So sad.
May she now rest in peace xx

Claudia, please keep us updated.

OMG!!! Tomorrows news in the Daily Mail????? Incompetent Portuguese police, in yet another cock up with missing children...................
The Mccanns will no doubt add their penn'orth worth and it will bring them great hope in their search for their lovely daughter, who they are sure no harm has come to her. (Yawn)

fred wrote:OMG!!! Tomorrows news in the Daily Mail????? Incompetent Portuguese police, in yet another cock up with missing children...................
The Mccanns will no doubt add their penn'orth worth and it will bring them great hope in their search for their lovely daughter, who they are sure no harm has come to her. (Yawn)

Don't know though Fred, he was and still is the main suspect......

a pile of bones on a beach - what a tragic end story for this little one

at least she can be laid to rest properly RIP x

RIP little one

zodiac wrote:RIP little one

ditto from me.

AnnaEsse wrote:Claudia, please keep us updated.

I will, Anna.
I think it may take some time to identify the remains. To determine if they are human or not is probably quick.

Just thinking about the McCanns and their various trips to Sagres....

The noticias.sapo. article below seems to confirm that the remains found are human. I've been looking at baby growth charts and it seems a 21 month old could be around 90cm in length - I seem to remember Madeleine's height being described as 90cm...

Also, in the article below, it states that the bones were found in the Vila do Bispo. Curiously enough, there is a forum post (which I've copied below, hope that's ok?) posted at the end of last year where the poster mentions Gerry visiting Vila do Bispo. The rest of the post goes into more detail and I can't say I understand what it all means and haven't had a chance to look at it carefully, and I'm not sure where the information comes from, but it all seems rather coincidental no?



http://noticias.sapo.pt/lusa/artigo/12258796.html

[Google translation]

Algarve: PJ investigates origin of human remains discovered in Sagres
March 9, 2011, 18:04
Lagos, 09 sep (AP) - The Judicial Police (PJ) from Portimao is investigating the origin of human remains found on Tuesday evening, a cliff in the area of Praia do bunk in Sagres, a police source told Lusa.

According to the commander of the Port of Portimão and Lagos, the Maritime Police (PM) was alerted at 23:00 on Tuesday for "the presence of bones that could be a person, " deposited in the middle of a cliff near the beach Bunk, in Sagres, in the Vila do Bispo.

The commander Cruz Martins added that "the bones were in sight, and an initial analysis indicate that a person", having been handed the case to prosecutors for investigation and the judicial police.




http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/Where-was-Madeleine-hidden/Strange-Activities-End-July-Beginning-August-1-922085.html

SUMMARY (approx)

Gerry returns from Washington

Kate leaves PdL around 3.15pm and arrives at the airport just before 4.50pm

Gerry's arrives about 4.40pm

Kate's phone doesn't ping until 6.24pm back in PdL (hour and quarter approx from Faro Airport)

Gerry overshoots PdL to Vila do Bispo (7 miles west of PdL at 7.05pm (approx 90 min drive from Faro Airport and 21 minute drive from PdL)

Returns back to Budens at 7.10pm (9 minute drive )

Arrives back in PdL at 7.50 approx (14 minute drive from Budens but took 40 mins)

25 minutes between Budens and PdL unaccounted for.

Another mention of Vila do Bispo here:


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id216.html

Leaflets, posters and billboards asking for information about Madeleine McCann's whereabouts make up the new appeal campaign that Kate and Gerry promote in the Algarve, on the brink of the second anniversary of the disappearance of their daughter in Praia da Luz.

The billboards were being installed early this week, on locations like the entrance to Praia da Luz, and along the EN125 [main national road that crosses the Algarve east to west], between that village and Vila do Bispo, in Lagos and in Odiáxere.

The McCann couple's idea is to search for information about the little girl's whereabouts, among the Portuguese community in the surroundings of Praia da Luz.

http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=1801936

This article seems to confirm that the remains are of little Alexandra Zito, as suspected.

Killed by her father, not a Portuguese pedophile, noted.

Not sure McCanns will want to throw their hand in with this one for PR purposes although they milked Cipriana case despite the obvious parallel of it being a parental killing - from their end important as to PJ wrong doing. Hard to catch these Europeans who go home after committing a crime abroad, tilthe body is found. I'm guessing we'll see nothing about this in the paper commented on by Clarence. Wouldn't be helpful.

Poor little girl and poor mama too, I hope the German police and justice system does better by her. How has he sat in Germany all this time and not been held to account when people witnessed him drowning the woman.

widowan wrote:Killed by her father, not a Portuguese pedophile, noted.

Not sure McCanns will want to throw their hand in with this one for PR purposes although they milked Cipriana case despite the obvious parallel of it being a parental killing - from their end important as to PJ wrong doing. Hard to catch these Europeans who go home after committing a crime abroad, tilthe body is found. I'm guessing we'll see nothing about this in the paper commented on by Clarence. Wouldn't be helpful.

Poor little girl and poor mama too, I hope the German police and justice system does better by her. How has he sat in Germany all this time and not been held to account when people witnessed him drowning the woman.

Yes l read that and thought it odd, how can people just watch and not intervene. RIP mummy and little one xx

Everything indicates that this is the daughter of German suspected of killing his girlfriend and mother of the child from drowning in Canavial beach in Lagos in July last year.

I guess there must be good indications as to the identity. Clothes? Size of the body? Dentition? Conclusive identification will take some time, but the authorities would appear to be fairly sure.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2011/03/cliff-concealed-baby-bones.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+JoanaMorais+%28Joana+Morais%29&utm_content=Twitter

10 March 2011 | Posted by astro Leave a Comment





by Paulo Marcelino

The PJ believes that the bonés that were discovered at a cliff near Beliche beach, in Sagres, belong to Alexandra, the 18-month-old baby that was taken by her father after he murdered the child’s mother at Canavial beach, in Lagos, on the 10th of July last year.

The skull and a femur were located on a cliff ledge, 15 metres away from the water and at a distance of 20 metres from the rock’s top. They were discovered on Tuesday evening, at around 11 p.m., by two fishermen who were descending a narrow path. Yesterday morning, vertebrae, ribs, a part of another femur and the lower jawbone were found, approximately 10 metres away from the path.

The dimension of the bones and the residues of black, curly hair point towards the baby’s mortal remains. The bones have been taken to the Forensic Medicine Cabinet of Portimão, where the body of Georgina Zito remains unclaimed. An autopsy and a DNA test will be performed in order to confirm the identity.

Gunnar murdered Georgina four days after the couple arrived in Lagos. He simulated a drowning at Canavial beach and fled with the little girl. The baby’s remains were now found 35 kilometres away, in Sagres. The man returned to Munich on the 15th of July and was detained, after which he opposed extradition to Portugal.




in: Correio da Manhã, 10.03.2011

widowan wrote:Killed by her father, not a Portuguese pedophile, noted.

Not sure McCanns will want to throw their hand in with this one for PR purposes although they milked Cipriana case despite the obvious parallel of it being a parental killing - from their end important as to PJ wrong doing. Hard to catch these Europeans who go home after committing a crime abroad, tilthe body is found. I'm guessing we'll see nothing about this in the paper commented on by Clarence. Wouldn't be helpful.

Poor little girl and poor mama too, I hope the German police and justice system does better by her. How has he sat in Germany all this time and not been held to account when people witnessed him drowning the woman.

He was arrested shortly after he landed in Germany.