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Post  Guest on Thu 17 Mar - 22:35

Resolution carried - 10 for, 0 against, 5 abstain (China, Russia, Germany, India, Brazil?)


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Post  Guest on Thu 17 Mar - 22:39

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UN votes to establish no fly zone over #libya - crowds in #Benghazi erupt in celebration.
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Post  Guest on Thu 17 Mar - 22:45

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Fireworks and cheers in Benghazi after they hear UN supporting them #Libya
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Post  Panda on Thu 17 Mar - 23:04



Newsnight discussion agrees in principle to UN resolution but points out that Bahrain is suffering attacks and yet there is nothing being done about that.
Also in the Yemen Police Officers dressed as civilians shot two rebels from a balcony. I think much will depend on what Gaddafi"s Son thinks, he is
definitely the Heir Apparent.

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Post  Guest on Thu 17 Mar - 23:10

Panda wrote:

Newsnight discussion agrees in principle to UN resolution but points out that Bahrain is suffering attacks and yet there is nothing being done about that.
Also in the Yemen Police Officers dressed as civilians shot two rebels from a balcony. I think much will depend on what Gaddafi"s Son thinks, he is
definitely the Heir Apparent.

Yes, I agree Panda - but look how long it's taken to get this far with Libya??

Looks like Egypt is supplying arms to the rebels

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By CHARLES LEVINSON And MATTHEW ROSENBERG

CAIRO—Egypt's military has begun shipping arms over the border to Libyan rebels with Washington's knowledge, U.S. and Libyan rebel officials said.

The shipments—mostly small arms such as assault rifles and ammunition—appear to be the first confirmed case of an outside government arming the rebel fighters. Those fighters have been losing ground for days in the face of a steady westward advance by forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.

The Egyptian shipments are the strongest indication to date that some Arab countries are heeding Western calls to take a lead in efforts to intervene on behalf of pro-democracy rebels in their fight against Mr. Gadhafi in Libya. Washington and other Western countries have long voiced frustration with Arab states' unwillingness to help resolve crises in their own region, even as they criticized Western powers for attempting to do so.

The shipments also follow an unusually robust diplomatic response from Arab states. There have been rare public calls for foreign military intervention in an Arab country, including a vote by the 23-member Arab League last week urging the U.N. to impose a no-fly zone over Libya.

The vote provided critical political cover to Western powers wary of intervening militarily without a broad regional and international mandate. On Thursday evening, the U.N. Security Council voted on a resolution endorsing a no-fly zone in Libya and authorizing military action in support of the rebels.

Within the council, Lebanon took a lead role drafting and circulating the draft of the resolution, which calls for "all necessary measures" to enforce a ban on flights over Libya. The United Arab Emirates and Qatar have taken the lead in offering to participate in enforcing a no-fly zone, according to U.N. diplomats.

Libyan rebel officials in Benghazi, meanwhile, have praised Qatar from the first days of the uprising, calling the small Gulf state their staunchest ally. Qatar has consistently pressed behind the scenes for tough and urgent international action behind the scenes, these officials said.

Qatari flags fly prominently in rebel-held Benghazi. After pro-Gadhafi forces retook the town of Ras Lanuf last week, Libyan state TV broadcast images of food-aid packages bearing the Qatari flag.

The White House has been reluctant to back calls from leaders in Congress for arming Libya's rebels directly, arguing that the U.S. must first fully assess who the fighters are and what policies they will pursue if they succeeded in toppling Col. Gadhafi. U.S. officials believe the opposition includes some Islamist elements. They fear that Islamist groups hostile to the U.S. could try to hijack the opposition and take any arms that are provided.

The Egyptian weapons transfers began "a few days ago" and are ongoing, according to a senior U.S. official. "There's no formal U.S. policy or acknowledgement that this is going on," said the senior official. But "this is something we have knowledge of."

Calls to Egypt's foreign ministry and the spokesman for the prime minister seeking comment went unanswered. There is no means of reaching Egypt's military for comment. A Egyptian official in Washington said he had no knowledge of weapon shipments.

The U.S. official also noted that the shipments appeared to come "too little, too late" to tip the military balance in favor of the rebels, who have faced an onslaught from Libyan forces backed by tanks, artillery and aircraft.

"We know the Egyptian military council is helping us, but they can't be so visible," said Hani Souflakis, a Libyan businessman in Cairo who has been acting as a rebel liaison with the Egyptian government since the uprising began.

"Weapons are getting through," said Mr. Souflakis, who says he has regular contacts with Egyptian officials in Cairo and the rebel leadership in Libya. "Americans have given the green light to the Egyptians to help. The Americans don't want to be involved in a direct level, but the Egyptians wouldn't do it if they didn't get the green light."

Western officials and rebel leaders in Libya said the U.S. has wanted to avoid being seen as taking a leadership role in any military action against Mr. Gadhafi after its invasions of Iraq and Afganistan fueled anger and mistrust with Washington throughout the region.

But the U.S. stated clearly it wants Mr. Gadhafi out of power and has signaled it would support those offering help to the rebels militarily or otherwise.

A spokesman for the rebel government in Benghazi said arms shipments have begun arriving to the rebels but declined to specify where they came from.

"Our military committee is purchasing arms and arming our people. The weapons are coming, but the nature of the weapons, the amount, where it's coming from, that has been classified," said the spokesman, Mustafa al-Gherryani.

The U.S. official said Egypt wanted to keep the shipments covert. In public, Egypt has sought to maintain a neutral stance toward the rebel uprising in Libya. Egypt abstained during the Arab League's vote calling for the U.N. to impose a no-fly zone on Mr. Gadhafi, according to people familiar with the internal Arab League deliberations.

Hundreds of thousands of Egyptian laborers are believed to still be in Libya.

On the other hand, the Egyptian military's covert support for the rebels suggests that it has calculated that Mr. Gadhafi is unlikely to remain in power, at least in the eastern half of the country, and therefore Egypt is eager to begin to build good relations with the rebels.

Rebel forces in the past 24 hours appeared to make some progress fending off pro-Gadhafi forces' assaults and have rolled out new weapons for the first time since the uprising began last month. Among them are rebel tanks that have taken up positions on the front lines in recent days. Rebels also launched fighter-jet attacks on government positions on Wednesday for the first time so far.

The tanks and fighter jets are believed to have been among the weapons seized by rebels from defected units of the Libyan army in the eastern half of the country, but they have received spare parts or trained mechanics from outside the country to help them deploy them, some rebel officials have speculated.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704360404576206992835270906.html?mod=e2tw

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Post  Panda on Fri 18 Mar - 1:50



The Libyan Undersecretary for Foreign Affairs says he was pleased that China, Russia, Germany, India and Brazil abstained from voting on the resolution .
He said Libya would ensure Medical Aid and Food would be supplied where necessary but it looks as though Gaddafi will not bow down.

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Post  Guest on Fri 18 Mar - 8:43

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Sadoun, a member of the Feb 17 revolution media committee, tell Al Jazeera by phone that Gaddafi tanks and forces surrounding the city of Misurata and are trying to push their way into the center of the city.

He said city has been under fire by Gaddafi tanks for the last three hours and that the number of victims is rising. An estimated 25 tanks are thought to be taking part in the offense.

He thought the Gaddafi forces are trying hard to push their way into the center of the city today to take civilian residents as a human shield against any possible air attacks by foreign forces.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-18

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Post  Panda on Fri 18 Mar - 8:51



I don"t know how Gaddafi can try to force a surrender on Sunday without bloodshed.......what could the UN do? If they enter Libya to take control it
will be seen as an invasion of a Sovereign State. why is it always China and Russia who abstain from any action by the UN.?????

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Post  Badboy on Fri 18 Mar - 11:20

gaddhafi has threated to attack passenger planes

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Post  Panda on Fri 18 Mar - 16:40

His Deputy Foreign Minister giving a speech this morning to the Media said Libya would abide by the UN resolution.

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Post  Panda on Fri 18 Mar - 17:03



Now the Yemen and Syria are experiencing revolt by the Citizens, I still think conspiracy. British Jets preparing to create the no fly zone, Libyan
Foreign Minister announced Libya will order an immediate cease fire.

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Post  Lioned on Sat 19 Mar - 0:08

Panda wrote:

I don"t know how Gaddafi can try to force a surrender on Sunday without bloodshed.......what could the UN do? If they enter Libya to take control it
will be seen as an invasion of a Sovereign State. why is it always China and Russia who abstain from any action by the UN.?????

Because they know,from experience,you cannot win these wars and then win the 'peace'. We should not interfere within these countries and put lives at risk.Economic sanctions should be enough,cut off trade completely and they will have to listen.

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Post  Panda on Sat 19 Mar - 0:30

Lioned wrote:
Panda wrote:

I don"t know how Gaddafi can try to force a surrender on Sunday without bloodshed.......what could the UN do? If they enter Libya to take control it
will be seen as an invasion of a Sovereign State. why is it always China and Russia who abstain from any action by the UN.?????

Because they know,from experience,you cannot win these wars and then win the 'peace'. We should not interfere within these countries and put lives at risk.Economic sanctions should be enough,cut off trade completely and they will have to listen.

Hi Lioned,

I think it is more self interest. Neither Country has a good reputation for Human Rights and each has their own agenda. I find it very odd that all these
Countries can simultaneously create an uprising, this wasn"t spontaneous it was planned . Where did all these Rebels get their Ammunition from?
Basically, it"s Shiite against Sunni. The West should just let them get on with it but obviously OIL is the reason they have to intervene.


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Post  Panda on Sat 19 Mar - 6:18


Breaking News......Large Explosions heard in rebel held territory in Benghazi, Cameron on his way to meet Sarcozy to discuss strategy for deploying
Aircraft. America does not want to lead and plan strategy, will be undertaken by NATO.

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Post  Panda on Sat 19 Mar - 7:40


Libyan War Plane shot down by Rebels in Benghazi, rockets believed to be fired by anti Gaddafi Army personnel who defected and have more experience
in anti Aircraft fire. Gaddafi wants Turkey, Germany and a couple of other Countries to enter Benghazi to confirm he is abiding by the ceasefire.!!!!!!!

Reports Gaddafi Troops are marching towards Benghazi, Obama orders Electricity and Water to be turned on the UN means business., however, it appears the UN will not be able to retaliate for some time because they need to discuss plan.

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Post  Panda on Sat 19 Mar - 12:07

Libyan OIl Minister says if Companies do not return to work, Contracts will be given to China and India........is this why they abstained on the UN resolution,, Mixed reaction from British pundits about the Resolution, what right has the UN to intervene in Libya"s internal affairs . Libyan Foreign
Minister warns UN, "you will regret it. Apparently a human shield will be set up to safeguard Gadaffi if he is in danger. Rebels impatient that there is no sign of the UN .

Reported 26 people killed in Benghazi, Libyan Rebels say their plane was downed in Benghazi by Gaddafi Artillery. Talks in Paris suggest action against
Libya could take place as soon as Meeting is over, about 3pm. Growing concern in the U.K. on the advisability of this action. The Cost, when Britain can ill afford it, the intervention of a Sovereign State etc.


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Post  frencheuropean on Sat 19 Mar - 15:10

Officiel from Sarkozy : french planes are now flying over Lybie to check Khadafi'a army moves.

"French military jets over Libya New
French military jets are already preventing pro-Gaddafi forces from attacking rebel positions, French President Nicolas Sarkozy says."

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Post  Panda on Sat 19 Mar - 15:25

frencheuropean wrote:Officiel from Sarkozy : french planes are now flying over Lybie to check Khadafi'a army moves.

"French military jets over Libya New
French military jets are already preventing pro-Gaddafi forces from attacking rebel positions, French President Nicolas Sarkozy says."

Thanks frenchperson, let"s hope Gaddafi"s threat is just bluff.he still has a lot of support in Tripoli and with the threat that if the OIL Companies do not go back to Libya he will give the Contracts to China and India it is very worrying. Breaking News, French Mirage and Rafale Fighters are flying over Benghazi.

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Post  Krisy22 on Sat 19 Mar - 16:58



Thank you Panda for all the updates on this thread, much appreciated.

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Post  frencheuropean on Sat 19 Mar - 17:24

From "Ministère des armées" first targett: a Khadafi tank, hit by French planes.At 17.45 ( french time)

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Post  Guest on Sat 19 Mar - 18:01

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Post  Panda on Sat 19 Mar - 18:12


Thanks Carmen, the Middle East is like a Cauldron, 42 killed in the Yemen , Syria also under attack, Bahrain etc it really is a huge problem to try to
get these Countries back to some kind of normality,

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Post  Panda on Sat 19 Mar - 18:14

Krisy22 wrote:

Thank you Panda for all the updates on this thread, much appreciated.

Thanks Krisy22, where will it all end you have to wonder.

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