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Pat Brown is drawing Parallels with the Mccans and Deborah Bradley's 'missing' daughter Lisa Irwin

Post  Loopdaloop on Sun 16 Oct - 21:18

I'd never heard about this until now...




Taken from Patbrowns facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581104318
which is linked to her twitter

http://twitter.com/#!/profilerpatb
Pat Brown
‎#DeborahBradley is either innocent or has a personality disorder and is obsessed with the #MadeleineMcCann case. Your thoughts? #LisaIrwin

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the tampered-with window, the open door, and the cuddletoy at press interviews is reminiscent of the McCann case. Is this a copycat or just coincidental similarities?

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There are no signs of an abduction, suspicious aspects of the crime, but the mother cries very believably and has not sent up major red flags in her interviews. History though is what we are lacking and what may tell us and the police what is the likely truth of this matter.
a recent article

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/14/family-hopes-videos-of-missing-girl-keep-spotlight-on-case/
Videos of a missing Missouri child, released this week by her family, are snapshots of a happier time.

In one video taken by mother Deborah Bradley, 11-month-old Lisa Irwin is staring into the camera, smiling and cooing.

"Say hi to Momma," Bradley says in the video. “Look at that messy baby.”

Lisa is wearing an outfit that says “Daddy Loves Me.”

Lisa's family released three home videos of the girl – recorded in the spring – on Thursday, hoping to keep her image in the spotlight. The family says it last saw Lisa about 10:30 p.m. October 3, asleep in a crib in her Kansas City home, according to police.

Authorities were called to the home about 4 a.m. October 4. Lisa's father, Jeremy Irwin, said he discovered that the girl was missing when he got home from work. Police have said they have no suspects or solid leads in Lisa's disappearance.

Two anonymous benefactors are offering a $100,000 reward for Lisa's safe return, a private investigator working for the family said Friday.

Lisa was reaching an age when a child starts to develop personality traits, and Bradley noticed this on trips to stores.

"Everybody loves her," Bradley said last week after Lisa was reported missing. “(Lisa) likes everybody. She’s very playful and so sweet.”

A few hours before Bradley put her daughter down to sleep last week, she went to a Festival Foods grocery store where the family regularly shops. Rebecca Guerrero, a cashier, said she had seen Lisa there many times.

“She’s the sweetest little girl I’ve ever seen,” Guerrero said. “She’s always smiling. You go up to her and tickle her, and she starts laughing.”

Guerrero said that when Lisa’s parents had learned Bradley was pregnant, they were happy to know that they’d soon have a girl.

“When (Bradley) was pregnant with Lisa, that’s all we would talk about,” Guerrero said. “(Jeremy Irwin) was thrilled. He wanted a baby girl.”

Guerrero says she can’t stop thinking about those brief visits with the family while waiting to hear of Lisa’s fate.

and one from the mail.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046322/Lisa-Irwin-missing-Police-say-parents-Deborah-Jeremy-cooperating-again.html
Baby Lisa's parents set up fund to help find the girl as police say couple are finally cooperating again amid suspicion of their involvement
Parents Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin begin speaking to investigators again
Baby Lisa missing since Monday night, police say
Teenage neighbour who knew access codes questioned Friday
Police searched landfill but found nothing
By LAURIE WHITWELL and MICHAEL ZENNIE
Last updated at 4:33 PM on 9th October 2011


As the parents of missing 10-month-old Lisa Irwin's parents patch up talks with police amid a cloud of suspicion, the Missouri couple says they will set up a trust fund in hopes of finding their daughter.
But family spokesman Mike Lerette said Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley will be giving fewer media interviews, because they want full attention on finding their daughter.
The couple met with police on Saturday for the first time since officers said they had stopped cooperating with the investigation on Thursday.
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'We don't know:' Parents appeared on morning shows Friday to fight claims that they have stopped cooperating with police
But Irwin and Bradley said they only needed a break from incessant police questioning.
Kansas City Police Department Captain Steve Young told ABC News: 'They're talking with us and that is absolutely the best thing.'
Lisa Irwin has been missing from her Kansas City home since Monday night.
The couple reported her missing Tuesday, saying she'd been snatched from her crib overnight.
The news came as police questioned a teenage neighbour of the parents of the child.
On Friday, forensic experts took a DNA sample from the neighbour who had been at the Irwins' home the day Lisa vanished.
The neighbour also knew the access code to the family garage, ABC News reported.
Investigators are also looking into a second lead, after a couple in California were seen with a small child fitting Lisa's description, relative Mike Lerette told KMBC-TV.
'They're pursuing surveillance tape on a couple with the baby in California,' said Lerette.
Find her: Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin say they are frustrated with their treatment by police, who have begun accusing Bradley
WHY SUSPICION FALLS ON PARENTS
IN CHILD ABDUCTION CASES
Statistics on infant abductions in the U.S. show that one of the least likely scenarios in the disappearance of a baby is that a stranger broke into the family's home and quietly snatched the child from the crib.
The numbers also lead experts to believe that if Baby Lisa were taken by an intruder in the middle of the night she is probably still alive.
David Finkelhor, director of the Crimes Against Children Research Centre at the University of New Hampshire, said that strangers who kidnap infants or young children, though rare, often do so because they want a child of their own, not because they intend to hurt or kill the child.
Ernie Allen, president of the National Centre for Missing and Exploited Children in Arlington, Virginia, added: 'The recovery rate for infants is very, very high. There is real hope here.'
'Suspicion almost always falls heavily on the parents, especially when it's young kids,' Mr Finkelhor said.
'Fifteen hundred parents kill their kids every year, and that's heavily focused on the under 1 year of age category.'
Mr Allen said his organization has handled 278 infant abduction cases during his nearly three decades with the group. Only 13 cases involved a stranger coming into a home and taking a baby, and all but one of those children were recovered unharmed.
The investigation into the disappearance of baby Lisa took a grim turn yesterday as the FBI revealed it has begun searching a landfill in Kansas as part of its search for the 10-month-old who disappeared from her crib four days ago.
More than a dozen investigators were at the waste dump, 23 miles from the Kansas City house where she disappeared, for several hours today although they did not appear to remove any evidence.
The mother of the missing baby revealed yesterday police had accused her of having a role in her 10-month-old daughter's disappearance from her Kansas City home.
'From the start when they've questioned me, once I couldn't fill in gaps, it turned into "you did it, you did it,' Bradley, 25, told Good Morning America on Friday.
Police say the baby's parents have stopped cooperating with investigators and Bradley admitted to failing a lie detector test.
The Deffenbaugh Industries Johnson County landfill is across the state line in Shawnee, Kansas. The garbage collected in Kansas City goes to the Shawnee dump.
But the couple are sticking to their story that little Lisa Irwin was abducted from her crib after Bradley put her to bed at 10:30pm Monday.
Jeremy Irwin, Lisa's father, says he came home from work at 4am Tuesday and found the front door unlocked, his daughter's bedroom window open and Lisa gone.
They took to morning talk shows today to fight back against the accusations from police and renew their claims that neither of them has any idea what happened to their infant daughter.

Gone: Police still have no suspects and no clear leads in the disappearance of baby Lisa
'We don't know, which is why we need everyone out there looking for her,' Bradley said on the Today Show Friday, with tears streaming down her face.
The new developments have changed the game in the four-day-old hunt for the infant. After their announcement that Jeremy Irwin walked out of an interrogation Thursday, detectives shut down their command centre in the working-class neighbourhood where baby Lisa lived.
Police said they have halted their extensive searches of the woods and areas around the home, but investigators would continue to work the case and follow leads.
They still have no solid leads or any suspects.

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In their television interviews, baby Lisa's parents said they were still cooperating with authorities.
However, Jeremy Irwin said he reached a 'boiling point' Thursday after 11 hours of questioning and couldn't stand any more.
Bradley said detectives have grown increasingly aggressive in their interviews with her.
'They took a picture down from the table and said "look at your baby! And do what's right for her!" I kept saying I don't know ... I just sat there. I didn't even ask to leave - I just let them keep asking questions,' she told Good Morning America.
At a news conference Thursday evening, Capt Young said baby Lisa's parents had ceased communication with authorities.

Coming up empty: More than a dozen FBI agents and officers were at the waste dump but did not appear to collect evidence
'Tonight, they decided to stop talking to detectives, and I don't have to illustrate how that affects the investigation. That speaks for itself,' Mr Young said.
Asked after the news conference what would happen to the investigation without the parents' cooperation, Young said he could not comment.
Bradley told The Associated Press today that she took the polygraph earlier this week and police told her she failed the test.
She says they didn't show her any paperwork verifying the results or know which questions she failed.
Young also said the parents' claim that whoever took their daughter also stole their cellphones had not produced any leads. And he reiterated that investigators still have no suspects.

No leads: Police have closed down their command post and stopped searching for baby Lisa
The parents had earlier joined together to plead for the safe return of their daughter.
'We just want our baby back. Please, bring her home. ... Please just drop her off anywhere, please. We don’t care, just somewhere safe where she can come home. Please,' Bradley begged, sobbing as she clutched one of her daughter's purple teddy bears.
In their first public appearance since their daughter disappeared, choked back tears on Wednesday as they asked the kidnapper to return their 10-month-old daughter.
More than 300 investigators took up the search for baby Lisa - using tracking dogs, horse-mounted patrols, helicopters and taking to ropes to rappel down steep slopes.
Officers stood shoulder-to-shoulder as they walked through the woods near her home.
A team of FBI forensic analysts, clad head-to-toe in white sterile suits, meticulously combed the house for any trace evidence.
Police have knocked on more than 300 doors in the quiet, working-class neighbourhood where Baby Lisa lived. But their search has been in vain so far.
One neighbour reported seeing a man with an infant in the area at 2am on Tuesday, but that tip has gone nowhere.

Far from home: The landfill where authorities searched is 23 miles from baby Lisa's home
The search grows desperate but there may be hope, experts say.
Most infants who are abducted are found unharmed, Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in Alexandria, Virginia, told the Kansas City Star.
'The vast majority of those who take infants don’t take them to harm, so the safe return of an abducted infant is pretty high,' Mr Allen said.
Strangers who kidnap infants are usually women who are looking for a baby of their own, he said.
The story has attracted national attention since Tuesday. Friends and supporters from around the country gave an outpouring of support on the Facebook page 'Help Find Lisa Irwin.'
More than 2,600 people have joined the group.


and a fund already!



I hope Kate and Gerry Mccann and the Tapas lot see all this and are ashamed at the copycats that they've caused.
First Shannon Matthews and now this --> Surely its now time to end the lies?

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Re: Pat Brown is drawing Parallels with the Mccans and Deborah Bradley's 'missing' daughter Lisa Irwin

Post  Loopdaloop on Sun 16 Oct - 22:00



Pat Brown discusses this case on the above link. At 17.54 she starts to relate it to the similarities of the Mccann's case.

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Post  SteveT on Sun 16 Oct - 23:06

Loopdaloop,

Very interesting the comparisons.

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Post  Autumn on Tue 18 Oct - 1:30

Pat Brown on her FB and Twitter

I will be on #HLNNancyGrace at 8 pm est talking about the change of Mom;s story in the missing baby case. #LisaIrwin #DeborahBradley

Wonder if its possible to watch this anywhere and will she make comparisons to the Maddie case

Its good that Pats getting lots of airtime on prime time shows in the US and imo she will continue to pose the biggest threat to the McCanns and friends. She's not afraid to speak her mind and, if she thinks there are similarities to be drawn between these tragic cases, then she will say so. Plus Pat is still stunned and upset at how the McCanns pressured Amazon to remove her book .......they will rue the day they crossed swords with her.

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Post  mumbles on Tue 18 Oct - 8:19

Autumn wrote:Pat Brown on her FB and Twitter

I will be on #HLNNancyGrace at 8 pm est talking about the change of Mom;s story in the missing baby case. #LisaIrwin #DeborahBradley

Wonder if its possible to watch this anywhere and will she make comparisons to the Maddie case

Its good that Pats getting lots of airtime on prime time shows in the US and imo she will continue to pose the biggest threat to the McCanns and friends. She's not afraid to speak her mind and, if she thinks there are similarities to be drawn between these tragic cases, then she will say so. Plus Pat is still stunned and upset at how the McCanns pressured Amazon to remove her book .......they will rue the day they crossed swords with her.



It starts at approx 2:00mins...

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/?iref=allsearch

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Post  Angelique on Tue 18 Oct - 11:10

Loodaloop

Thanks for the Elliot video with Pat Brown. There's no fooling Pat is there!

She is definitely very experienced in these sorts of cases.

She mentioned the similarities i.e. the window, the unlocked doors, the stuffed animal (childs toy), the Trust Fund and the Detective. So all the elements seem to be the same. But she does then say they could be innocent.

But, in fact, is this is a better "scenario" because there are no other people so far as we know, that are involved. It's a very simple sequence of events so that it can be remembered. No other witnesses who may be needed to back up any story. the Mother was asleep when it happened.

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Post  jinvta on Thu 20 Oct - 6:42

Regarding the Lisa Irwin case:

"We have a warrant for the house," Young told The Associated Press early Wednesday. He did not explain why a warrant was necessary. There was no indication that the family has tried to block investigators' access to their home, which has already been scoured by FBI agents with dogs.

FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton said the search is not based on any sort of tip. Patton said they were restricting media access because agents are using a procedure involving dogs that they don't want taped. She declined to elaborate.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/19/investigators-enter-missing-missouri-girls-home/?test=latestnews#ixzz1bIVUn7F6

Could this be another similarity? I am thinking that the procedure involving dogs that they don't want taped is most likely to be searches by cadaver dogs. They have even gone so far as to organize a no-fly zone above the home while the dogs do their searches.

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Post  matthew on Fri 21 Oct - 21:24

The dogs have "hit" in the parents bedroom...as we know these dogs are an outstanding forensic tool...

unlike the mccann case,i think jail will be the order of the day here but after the C A case i wouldnt bank on it

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Post  matthew on Sun 23 Oct - 22:05

findbabylisa.com

Theres a reward of $100,000 & you can download flyers to help with the search

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Post  interested on Sun 23 Oct - 23:21

When do the tee shirts and luggage tags go on sale?

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Post  interested on Sun 23 Oct - 23:41

Interesting reading at seamusoriley.blogspot.com/ for Statement Analysis of baby Lisa news. Sorry, I can't "do" links. At my age I can barely manage 'on' and 'off'.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Mon 24 Oct - 7:35

interested wrote:Interesting reading at seamusoriley.blogspot.com/ for Statement Analysis of baby Lisa news. Sorry, I can't "do" links. At my age I can barely manage 'on' and 'off'.

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Post  interested on Mon 24 Oct - 15:29

Many thanks AnnaEsse for your help in posting the "link".

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