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Post  Loopdaloop on Thu 9 Feb - 22:09



Abductor may have had keys to apartment

UK cops believe snatch sighting's vital to conspiracy

By Donal MacIntrye
Sunday February 5, 2012
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
A SIGHTING by an Irish holidaymaker has been placed at the centre of the cold case review into the abduction of Madeleine McCann.

A full re-investigation of the baffling disappearance is being carried out by London Metropolitan police.

The Sunday World can reveal that as part of the probe, Irish witness Martin Smith is to be re-interviewed about a man he saw carrying a child away from the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz complex in the Algarve around the time Maddie was snatched.

Investigators had earlier discounted the possible sighting because of the timing, but now believe it may have been the last time anyone saw the three-year-old who disappeared almost five years ago.

The Smith sighting is key to a new theory that whoever took Maddie may have had unauthorised keys to access the apartment where she was sleeping and other properties nearby.

Police are probing whether lax arrangements made it possible for keys to be accessed and copied.

Abduction

As part of the full review, Kate and Gerry McCann will also be re-interviewed about the details of the night of May 3, 2007, as will all of their dinner party, the so-called Tapas Seven, who ate with them at the complex restaurant the night of the abduction.

It will form a re-examination of the crucial first hour after the vanishing, which was within the time frame that Martin Smith reported seeing a man heading past him with fair-haired child in his arms.

As well as re-interviewing all the key witnesses, UK police officers are making new translations of all the previous interviews by the Portuguese police in an attempt to get to the bottom of the most high-profile missing child cases of recent decades.

An insider source described how the detectives re-investigating the case are now working on the theory that someone with connections to the resort where the McCanns stayed with their three children, may have had access to keys and may have provided support to the paedophile gang which abducted the bright-eyed three-year-old.

The review of the case - which initially was supposed to be a paper exercise - has evolved into a complete fresh investigation by a group of experienced murder detectives based in New Scotland Yard.

Sources say that officers have made the testimony of Irish witness Martin Smith a central plank in a new theory to help explain the disappearance. Smith, from Drogheda, who was in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz with his family, witnessed a man carrying a sleeping, barefoot child between 9.40pm and 10pm on the night that Maddie disappeared.

He saw a man hold a small, fair-haired child, close to his chest in similar pink pyjamas to the ones Maddie was wearing. The sighting took place about a half a mile from the McCanns' Ocean Club apartment. Maddie was put to bed by the McCanns, wearing Marks & Spencers pyjamas comprising a short-sleeved pink top with an 'EEYORE' inscription from Pooh Bear.

The man was heading towards the sea front with the child and police now believe that this is the same man that Jane Tanner, one of the Tapas seven, who were holidaying with the McCanns, saw carrying a child away from the front entrance of the McCanns' apartment, around 9.15pm that same night.

A source explained that previously it was thought that these two sightings were incompatible because of the time delay between them. However, now detectives are investigating the theory that Maddie could have been moved to another nearby apartment in or around the complex in a highly planned abduction until there was an opportunity to bring her out of the resort.

It transpires that the keys to the apartments surrounding the complex were not logged or sufficiently secure and multiple copies could have been in use, allowing the abductor to have access to the McCanns' apartment through the locked front door and giving the possible access to nearby apartments to hide Maddie until the coast was clear to make a dash out of the resort.

Shambles

Officers attached to the new investigation, which the McCanns long campaigned for, are hopeful that answers can be found. They are keen that he fifth anniversary in three months' time will generate more public leads and information to shed light on the baffling mystery.

The new investigation is born out of the shambles of the first inquiry which descended into diplomatic warfare between the British and Portuguese authorities after the McCanns were made suspects in their own daughter's disappearance.

Key forensic failures by the Policia Judiciaria, the local CID and the first officers on the scene, along with a number of other critical errors by Goncalo Amaral, the lead Portuguese detective who was eventually sacked from the case, led the British Prime Minister David Cameron to order the current review.

The new investigation has already cost nearly €3million, adding to the €1million that the British Home Office and the McCanns' local force, Leicestershire Police had, already spent on the case before the current review.

The Scotland Yard team of investigators are understood to be working on eight new leads and have already interview the original investigating officers and travelled to Spain and Portugal in the hunt for the truth about Maddie's disappearance.



Not sure why someone deleted it as this is an awesome piece!!

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Post  Loopdaloop on Thu 9 Feb - 22:14

this is the most significant quote


The review of the case - which initially was supposed to be a paper exercise - has evolved into a complete fresh investigation by a group of experienced murder detectives based in New Scotland Yard.

It goes to prove what I was trying to point out when everyone was a little disapointed over the remit which was uploaded!
as an 'investigative review' which will act 'as if the abduction happened in the UK' was the best news I had read for ages!
However, they had to write it like that not to give anything anyway!

The fact they are focussing on the smith sighting is also significant as WE ALL KNOW THAT WAS GERRY!!!!

Donal knows it. The Media knows it... the public doesn't however this is laying the groundwork.

Carter ruck.

Just wanted to mention their name so their robots would come across this thread and then read the article as

WE ALL KnOW THE SMITHS SAW GERRY!!!

If I was carter ruck right now I would start reconsidering all this no win no fee work....
They are going to start losing a hell of a lot of money and see it all go down the drain when the worm turns!

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Post  Wintabells on Thu 9 Feb - 22:26

moved to a nearby apartment?


didn't the sniffer dog/s keep going to an empty apartment during the initial searches for Madeleine?

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Post  chrissie1 on Thu 9 Feb - 22:29

It is a perplexing case that is difficult to unravel, but if we take the statements of the McCanns and accept the accuracy of their timings then there remains only a tiny time frame for Madeleine to have been abducted or disappear by other means. She either made her own way out of the apartment by herself into oblivion or was abducted from inside the apartment, but whatever happened according to the statements must have happened in a three-minute window.

This is the gap between Gerry McCann's 9pm-9.10pm check-in on his children in the apartment and the sighting by Jane Tanner, one of his group, of a man carrying a child in his arms away from the apartment complex between 9.10 and 9.15pm on May 3 2007. In the McCanns' mind, this is the likely abductor.

The road around the complex has new footpaths and a freshly tarmaced road, but that wasn't the case at the time of the kidnap. Then it was a dusty backstreet with little light. Around 10.15pm, Madeleine was discovered missing by Kate McCann. She shouted down to those at the tapas bar 150 metres away that her fair-haired little girl was gone. Crucial to unravelling the whole case is clearly establishing what precisely took place from 8pm to 10.15pm on the night Madeleine vanished.
So now the times have changed

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Post  Loopdaloop on Thu 9 Feb - 22:38

Indeed the times changing is another key point!

As seasoned Mccann news specialists we all know that for any newspaper to publish anything on the mccann's they must pretend to be reasonably favourable for 'balance' however this article gave away lots of real facts about the case and kept the mccann crap to a minimum! but even the mccann crap they left in was the parts which were obviously conflicted!

Donal Mcintyre used to be a really good investigative journalist who made some really good documentary's.
He lost his reputation with the famous "MADELEINE: I KNOW HOW SHE WAS TAKEN" crap that he wrote. Was it turned into a channel4 or 5 documentary as well?

He must know that the only way to regain his credibility is to do over the Mccanns! He has laid the groundwork.

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Post  mossman on Thu 9 Feb - 22:42

funny, the writer fails to mention how the all important witness Mr Smith later contacted police to say he in fact thought it was Gerry McCann he saw carrying the child.

they think they had a key to enter the "locked front door". well, the abductor could have made life simple and gone through the unlocked patio doors, though this is not mentioned either.

the only thing that rings true to me in this article is the fact that the abductor had keys, although it should read the perpatrator had keys. they did, they were given them on arrival at pdl by mark warner reps so they could have free and easy access to 5a for the weeks duration of their holiday.

i used to like mr mcintyre's reporting, i am somewhat annoyed at the selective nature of this article and find it hard to see a positive in it.

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Post  chrissie1 on Thu 9 Feb - 22:48

Cold Case Review: In search of Maddie Sunday World (appears in True Crime magazine)







Donal MacIntyre travels to Praia da Luz, Portugal, to review the evidence in one of the most baffling abduction cases ever

By Donal MacIntrye
Sunday February 5, 2012

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the most controversial missing child case in recent times continues to intrigue and confound investigators and the public alike.

The London Metropolitan Police current review of the case has sparked renewed hope that it may yet be solved, and sources close to the investigation say that they have made significant inroads into piecing together the true story of what happened.

Still, after millions of euro spent on the investigation and without a perpetrator in custody, the starting place for review of the case is where Maddie was last seen - in a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, on Portugal's glorious sunshine coast.

Since those events of four years ago, a little piece of paradise has become a macabre visitor attraction, where people hold the hands of their children tighter and look around suspiciously, struggling to separate the guilty from the millions of innocent tourists who visit the Algarve every year.

The Find Maddie posters are worn and tired and the locals in Praia da Luz have grown weary of the case and the damage it has done to their business. Here in the cafes and restaurants, it's only the foreigners that whisper the name of Madeleine McCann and discuss the ins and outs of one of the most complex and extraordinary child abduction case in recent history. Before the dark events of May 3 2007 this resort was an affordable haven for family sunseekers shrouded in a blanket of innocence, but now nearly five years later, the ever-present birdsong cannot hide the sombre air that surrounds the former tourist magnet.

The Madeleine McCann mystery is a case where everyone has an often heated opinion. Outside the white-washed apartment 5a at the Ocean Club, even in the off season, cars and pedestrians pull up and share their theories among themselves. Irish voices mix with English accents and other European languages, but the fingers point to the same windows and pathways, working out the possibilities and all struggling to understand how a child can simply seemingly vanish into thin air.

Until answers are found, children are not left out of the sight of cautious parents. There simply is no longer a margin of error accepted here when it comes to the safety of children. Chances were taken once upon a time with tragic consequences, but not anymore.

Today there is more lighting around the complex but little else has changed. Until the kidnappers are caught, the unspoken fear will remain that Praia da Luz, in the words of Somerset Maughan, is a sunny place for shady people.

All that remains visible of the Madeleine McCann campaign can be found in a touching shrine in the beautiful Our Lady of the Light church on the seafront.

Inside a, heart-shaped poster pleads 'Pray for me'.

Below it, 10 electric candles flicker in her memory. Many more will be lit before this mystery is solved.

While I surveyed the scene in a cold case review of the abduction, I was immediately struck by the vulnerability of the apartment complex to anyone who had evil on their mind.

Holiday resorts and their transient populations have long been a hiding place for paedophiles and sex offenders. Although there are 20 known offenders living in the Algarve, it is the visiting paedophile that is most difficult to detect and account for. In a week on site near the crime scene I conducted a review of most of the available evidence relating to the abduction and had lengthy discussions with numerous Portuguese sources who cannot be identified.

It is a perplexing case that is difficult to unravel, but if we take the statements of the McCanns and accept the accuracy of their timings then there remains only a tiny time frame for Madeleine to have been abducted or disappear by other means. She either made her own way out of the apartment by herself into oblivion or was abducted from inside the apartment, but whatever happened according to the statements must have happened in a three-minute window.

This is the gap between Gerry McCann's 9pm-9.10pm check-in on his children in the apartment and the sighting by Jane Tanner, one of his group, of a man carrying a child in his arms away from the apartment complex between 9.10 and 9.15pm on May 3 2007. In the McCanns' mind, this is the likely abductor.

The road around the complex has new footpaths and a freshly tarmaced road, but that wasn't the case at the time of the kidnap. Then it was a dusty backstreet with little light. Around 10.15pm, Madeleine was discovered missing by Kate McCann. She shouted down to those at the tapas bar 150 metres away that her fair-haired little girl was gone. Crucial to unravelling the whole case is clearly establishing what precisely took place from 8pm to 10.15pm on the night Madeleine vanished.

Having settled Madeleine, then three, and their two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, Gerry and Kate, from Rothley, Leicestershire, have a glass of wine before heading of to the tapas bar, a minute's walk away, to join their friends Jane Tanner and her partner Russell O'Brien, Rachel and Matthew Oldfield, David and Fiona Payne and Diane Webster.

They walk down a number of steps, open a small wrought-iron gate on a pathway that faces onto the Mark Warner complex. A wall separates the path from the resort and blocks off the view from the resort to the steps to apartment 5a.

The couple turned left for 20 metres and then right for another 50 metres onto a busy road before take a left into the enclosed swimming pool, bar and restaurant complex. While there, various members of the party come and go, following the same path that Gerry and Kate McCann took to the bar. None sees anything suspicious.

At about 9pm Gerry leaves the table and walks over to the apartment to check on the twins and Madeleine.

He enters the apartment and then goes to the toilet. He checks on his children and savours a proud father's moment as he stands by the doorway looking into the back bedroom where they are all soundly asleep.

The twins are in cots and Madeleine in bed, holding her favourite toy, Cuddle Cat. Gerry spends up to 10 minutes in the five-room apartment and will only later reflect that he felt there was someone else there at the same time.

For the kidnap to have taken place, I believe Gerry's gut instinct was sound. It is arguable that the abductor was in the flat at the time. Fixated preferential paedophiles, the most dangerous kind, spend every waking hour thinking of their next opportunity to abuse and take pleasure from young children. They put a huge amount of time into targeting and priming their victims and so it would not be unusual for a serious sex offender to enter the property and prepare the scene for the snatch and escape.

So we may assume that a few minutes before Gerry arrived, the abductor walked along the public road beside the apartment, opened the gate, walked up 10 steps to the patio and entered through the open patio doors. These doors could only be locked from inside and for convenience were left open by Gerry and Kate. Previous occupants used the front door of the apartment, facing onto a car park, to exit and kept the patio door locked permanently.

At this stage, with Gerry McCann in the apartment, the abductor may have been a heartbeat away from being caught. But where could the abductor have hidden in the tiny apartment? Gerry walked through the front room, used the bathroom and looked in on the children - but did he check anywhere else? Recollections after traumatic events are often ragged; add in a few drinks and the emotional distress and guilt and exact details of timings and actions may not be accurate. But McCann is a doctor used to working under pressure with a huge capacity for observation on his rounds, so we must give more credit to his testimony than we would give to a normal citizen.

Taking Gerry McCann's intuition and statements on board, it was in my view highly likely that the abductor was probably in the children's bedroom, possibly behind the door or crouching behind the furniture.

As Gerry strolls out of the patio doors, closing but not locking them, he leaves through the same small gate facing the road where the abductor had entered minutes before.

Just outside, he meets television producer Jes Wilkins on the way back to the tapas bar. There is not another soul on the street. I worked with Wilkins in the past. Even while on holiday, he is still a trained observer and yet he saw nothing out of the ordinary. He was a holiday tennis partner for Gerry and it was possibly just after this chat that Maddie was taken into the night.

Back inside the apartment the abductor must be breathing a sigh of relief as Gerry leaves, before he realises his exit route is blocked. It is conceivable that Gerry has an eyeline to the front of the apartment, and, if not, certainly can hear steps coming down from where he is standing. The kidnapper would then have had to find an alternative exit outside the back window towards the front door, which we believe was deadlocked without the key at hand. For this, help is essential. This is where an accomplice to the abductor would prove essential. Grotesquely, paedophiles support each other in their disgusting plans and teams of two would not be unusual. From Myra Hindley and Ian Brady to Fred and Rosemary West, sex offenders working in pairs are not altogether unusual.

The abductor inside the apartment could have passed Madeleine - possibly unconscious or drugged with chloroform - through the open window into the accomplice's arms.

In the distance, the voices of Gerry McCann and Jes Wilkins could likely be heard wafting through the air.

What trauma would Madeleine suffer if, terrified and forcibly kept silent, she hears Dad's voice as she is bundled into the hands of dangerous strangers? At the same time - about 9.10pm - and unnoticed by Wilkins and Gerry, Jane Tanner observes them chatting.

The kidnapper holding Madeleine retreats to the adjacent car park before heading on to the same footpath where, a short distance downhill, Gerry and Wilkins are talking. The accomplice makes his way out of the window and into the darkness.

The kidnappers think they have got away with it, but they are on the brink of being caught.

Despite hearing the voices of Madeleine's father a short distance away, the kidnapper holding the girl plans to cross the road junction just above them just a glance away from McCann and Wilkins.

As he hits the footpath, he would have seen both men chatting and Jane Tanner heading his way on the opposite side of the street to Wilkins and Gerry McCann - three potential witnesses to the abduction, including the father of the child. Although not a busy street, Wilkins and McCann did not see Tanner. This misfitting testimony is not unusual in criminal cases and to my mind is plausible.

But why would the abductors choose such a potentially disastrous course? Was it to connect with a getaway driver or was it just bad planning?

The seven seconds he took to cross the road were either well-planned, foolhardy or a sign of breathtaking confidence. In any case, the kidnapper never faltered and was never seen again.

Jane Tanner says he was carrying a child. She believes it was Madeleine and her theory is supported by the McCanns' private investigators.

The timing of the statements from the key witnesses suggests that there was a maximum of three to five minutes for the abduction to be executed.

In such circumstances only good planning and co-ordination could make this possible. It would be an extraordinary effort, needing an astonishing degree of luck, if this had been done on an opportunistic basis.

The clean execution of the kidnap, without a hint of a DNA trace or any usable evidence, means it was highly professional and planned with precision.

Such precision is the hallmark of fixated, obsessive sexual predators.

And it's easy to see how the area could be viewed as a magnet for sex offenders. It has a creche, school and nursery in the nearby Ocean Club complex. Add a transient population of young holidaymakers and you have a lot of attractions for predators.

With its road access, the McCanns' apartment was the most vulnerable in the complex and it is easy to see why a paedophile would make it a target.

There is, however, another rational alternative to this theory. If perhaps we say that Jane Tanner saw a child but that it wasn't Maddie, then could it be that the little girl simply woke up and walked out of the apartment to find her parents and got lost before being snatched by an opportunist sex offender? Young children often wander and while it may have been uncharacteristic, it is still a possibility.

The McCanns' regrettable decision to leave the kids in the flat was informed by the apparently secure nature of the holiday complex. The complex had a check-in system for their children rather than babysitters and this gap in the childcare arrangements may have allowed the abductor to strike.

I walked unchallenged past a security guard and into the resort with ease. We don't expect holiday resorts to be prison camps, but in the aftermath of the tragic case I expected a little better. In minutes I was surrounded by children and parents. I had a drink and left. Two hours later I returned and again was not challenged.

The Metropolitan Police are investigating eight leads given to them by Spanish Police.

"We are very grateful for the comprehensive review by the Met and clearly what was supposed to be just a paper exercise has transpired to be something more proactive. Gerry and Kate are hopeful that answers will come from this investigation and have not given up hope that Maddie is alive and will be found," Clarence Mitchell, the couple's spokesman, told the Sunday World.

It's understood that the pace of developments has surprised the investigators, and Scotland Yard and the Met are keen to solve this crime to demonstrate their world-renowned prowess. The review is a serious insult to the Portuguese authorities, who were suitably embarrassed by their earlier investigations.

For now the assurance is that every clue and lead will be revised in a methodical manner to make sure that nothing was lost in the initial inquiry, although catching the perpetrator at this stage would require plenty of luck. It will be ironic after the millions spent on the investigation if the predator is caught by chance. The likely scenario is if the child snatcher is arrested in connection with the disappearance or even stopped in the process of a similar crime. This could provide the clue or even provoke a confession and lead to the solving of this extraordinary mystery.

These type of crimes yield their answers slowly, but ultimately the answers are usually forthcoming. The question is whether Maddie will be alive if and when this terrible crime is solved.


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'Blame the parents' response can give killers more time

COPS are well used to the window of opportunity that exists in the immediate aftermath of a disappearance.

But when it's a child that goes missing, that window can be open for a matter of just hours.

It's why questions are increasingly being asked about the gut response of many investigators: blame the parents.

It may be an obvious and easy explanation when a child disappears, but by focussing single-mindedly within the family in those first vital few hours, police play into the hands of the real culprits if, as in the case of Madeleine McCann, they are wrong.

The Portuguese police, while focussing so intently on Kate and Gerry McCann as suspects in the disappearance of their daughter, damaged the investigation, perhaps fatally, by letting the trail go cold on the guilty and by alienating those who were in the best position to help.

There is a litany of cases involving missing children where the parents have initially been implicated in their disappearance and the instantaneous suspicions that hung like a cloud over the McCanns were no different.

People naturally feel that a missing child is a failure of parenting. It is in some way reassuring to think that family members are responsible, according to experts.

This blame directed at the parents may make us feel more protected in our homes by diluting the threat of predators to our own lives and to our children. It serves our basest instincts and is somehow comforting, according to Professor David Protess, from the Chicago Innocence Project, who has studied cases similar to the McCann case.

"The public wants to believe that a child's bedroom is a safe haven from predators. It's reassuring to think that family members are responsible when a child vanishes, especially from her home. And that's often true. The family should be questioned as possible suspects under these circumstances.

"But when the primary focus is on the parents, tunnel vision can take hold and the trail for other suspects can grow cold. Putting the parents under a cloud of suspicion will also prompt lawyers to insulate even innocent clients, depriving the authorities of information that might prove useful in their investigation," he said.

It happened in the case of the murder of six-year-old beauty pageant queen JonBenet Ramsey in Boulder, Colorado, in December 1996.

It was case that had as much publicity as the McCann case and it too placed the parents in the spotlight as suspects. It wasn't until July 2008 - 12 years after JonBenet's murder - that DNA tests finally exonerated the family from any involvement in the case, which was one of the most high profile in the US in recent decades.

The Ramsey coverage was fuelled by leaks from the local police and, just like the McCanns, the Ramseys also secured several significant payouts from news organisations for pushing too hard on accusations that they had involvement in their own child's death.

The McCanns have won in excess of a million pounds from legal actions against various newspaper groups over their reporting of the case, all of which has gone to fund their private and ongoing search for Madeleine.

The McCanns have never forgiven themselves for leaving their children alone that night - but it didn't turn them into killers, as the Portuguese police came to believe very early on in their investigation. It is a right and proper investigation technique to put the last known person who saw Maddie, that being Gerry McCann, into the mix, but to exclude too hastily other lines of enquiry was poor detective work.

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Post  tanszi on Thu 9 Feb - 22:49

if the abductor had keys to the apartment (always assuming that the abductor wasnt K or G ) and Madeleine wasnt harmed in a physical way, why did the cadaver and blood dogs alert in the apartment? is anyone reviewing the work of the British dogs. just asking.
.edited to add: why does DM not name his sources, is it possible it has been whoosed as it gives too much information out about the intention of SY. Why would he give details of the SY intentions in an article in a True Crime magazine, who is he warning, i ask this as i dont think he questioned the McCs version or ask them about the jemmied windows etc, or if he did he didnt explain their reasons for telling family members this.


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Post  Lioned on Thu 9 Feb - 22:52

Donal Macintyre is a sycophantic twat who would win a prize as the Worlds whorst journalist if there was such a prize.He is best mates of that lot who claim to be entertainers like eamon holmes,fat face felt,lorraine smelly et al and cant even hold down a job as bit parts on ITV London.The chances of macintyre getting insider gossip off Scotland Yard is zero.He's another mccann arse licker who's spouted this rubbish before.

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Post  chrissie1 on Thu 9 Feb - 23:02

I worked with Wilkins in the past. Even while on holiday, he is still a trained observer and yet he saw nothing out of the ordinary.

A trained observer, yet he didn't see jane tanner OR bundleman on a quite narrow street

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Post  Wintabells on Thu 9 Feb - 23:04

Wintabells wrote:moved to a nearby apartment?


didn't the sniffer dog/s keep going to an empty apartment during the initial searches for Madeleine?

We get them to sniff a towel which, according to Kate, was used to dry Madeleine after her bath. When the dogs finished going along block 5, when, logically, they should have been heading for block 4, they suddenly turn to the left. They then follow the path at the back that separates the apartments from the leisure area. They go quite a long way in that direction. Even if the reaction of the two dogs coincides, the trainers cannot draw any definite conclusions: in fact, it's already been more than two days since the disappearance. What they can state with certainty, is that Madeleine went along there, without being able to pinpoint the date. Gerald McCann confirms this claim: he took that same route with Madeleine a few days earlier.

http://newsoftheworldonline.eu/2011-09-07-16-23-10/madeleine-mccann-book/139-madeleine-mccann-book/2361-madeleine-mccann-the-forbidden-investigation-2

Perhaps this is what I was remembering (from The Truth of the Lie, translated in 'Newsoftheworldonline')

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Post  marxman on Thu 9 Feb - 23:09

chrissie1 wrote:I worked with Wilkins in the past. Even while on holiday, he is still a trained observer and yet he saw nothing out of the ordinary.

A trained observer, yet he didn't see jane tanner OR bundleman on a quite narrow street

Hi Chrissie1, interesting. But didn't Wilkins say something
about Gerry near or at the shutters?
This was reported/discussed very early on but I think it
may be myth.

i've found a link to 'Justice for Madeleine' blog dated Sept 08,
this is an extract from said blog;

Wilkins nor Gerry McCann state they saw Jane Tanner at the same time and place she claimed to be when seeing the abductor. Jeremy Wilkins had inadvertantly stumbled upon Gerry McCann tampering with the shutters to make it look like a break in had occured, or as he later claimed a break out by the abductor as he went out of the window. Both Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins would not only have seen the abductor, they would have also heard him.

Link;http://hypocriteandliar.wordpress.com/tag/jeremy-wilkins/

So I guess I'm not loosing my marbles
I knew it was reported early-days but how true it is I don't know.
However, If Wilkins is reinterviewed by SY it will be devastating!



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Post  matthew on Thu 9 Feb - 23:20

Wintabells wrote:
Wintabells wrote:moved to a nearby apartment?


didn't the sniffer dog/s keep going to an empty apartment during the initial searches for Madeleine?

We get them to sniff a towel which, according to Kate, was used to dry Madeleine after her bath. When the dogs finished going along block 5, when, logically, they should have been heading for block 4, they suddenly turn to the left. They then follow the path at the back that separates the apartments from the leisure area. They go quite a long way in that direction. Even if the reaction of the two dogs coincides, the trainers cannot draw any definite conclusions: in fact, it's already been more than two days since the disappearance. What they can state with certainty, is that Madeleine went along there, without being able to pinpoint the date. Gerald McCann confirms this claim: he took that same route with Madeleine a few days earlier.

http://newsoftheworldonline.eu/2011-09-07-16-23-10/madeleine-mccann-book/139-madeleine-mccann-book/2361-madeleine-mccann-the-forbidden-investigation-2

Perhaps this is what I was remembering (from The Truth of the Lie, translated in 'Newsoftheworldonline')

did that towel have maddies dna on it then? oh i see...the towel ACCORDING to kate was used to dry madeleine just before they read mog....

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Post  malena stool on Thu 9 Feb - 23:26

if the 'abductor' had a set of keys why all the B/S from Team McCann about broken shutters?
What a load of gonads!

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Post  chrissie1 on Thu 9 Feb - 23:26

From Wilkins first statement
We returned to our apartment. We decided to spend the evening-in, watching television. Our son was awake and unable to sleep. I decided to take him for a walk in his pram. I left about 8.15 pm – 8.30 pm. I was pushing the pram around the complex and went to the toilet near the bar. I couldn't see inside the restaurant. As I got the baby to sleep, I was on my way back to the apartment. I came out of the top road. I met him near some stairs and a ground floor flat.

There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment. We spoke for a few minutes. He said 'you're on walking duty'. I said I was staying in and the pro's and con's and what to do with the children. He said that if he was staying two (2) weeks, he may stay in one night. I don't remember anyone else walk past with a child. The conversation lasted for about three (3) to five (5) minutes. He was acting completely normal from what I know of him so far.

nothing about the shutters

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Post  gillyspot on Thu 9 Feb - 23:29

Nothing had Madeleine's DNA on in 5a that is why the PJ had to send to Rothley for a pillowcase for a sample of her DNA.

As regards Wilkins hearing the shutters being opened I can't find anything but have found this.

Question that PJ wanted Leicestershire Police to ask Wilkins.

"* During your conversation, did you see anybody ? Did you hear footsteps ? Did you see or hear any vehicles circulating ? Did you hear any sound that resembled a shutter opening or the slam of a car or a house door ?"

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

So it is clear that the PJ were aware of the McCanns stories to UK media about "jemmied shutters" but amazingly the answer to that question is not in the Rog file (was it even asked)?

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Post  kitti on Fri 10 Feb - 7:48

He says....'if I was staying 2 weeks I may stay in ONE night'


That states that each off the tapas took turns to stay in one night and good old GM probably arranged
the babysitting And Knew full well there wasnt enough nights for him to take his turn.

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Post  Bebootje on Fri 10 Feb - 8:00

chrissie1 wrote:From Wilkins first statement
We returned to our apartment. We decided to spend the evening-in, watching television. Our son was awake and unable to sleep. I decided to take him for a walk in his pram. I left about 8.15 pm – 8.30 pm. I was pushing the pram around the complex and went to the toilet near the bar. I couldn't see inside the restaurant. As I got the baby to sleep, I was on my way back to the apartment. I came out of the top road. I met him near some stairs and a ground floor flat.

There was a gate leading up to some stairs. I was pretty certain that he had left the apartment. We spoke for a few minutes. He said 'you're on walking duty'. I said I was staying in and the pro's and con's and what to do with the children. He said that if he was staying two (2) weeks, he may stay in one night. I don't remember anyone else walk past with a child. The conversation lasted for about three (3) to five (5) minutes. He was acting completely normal from what I know of him so far.

nothing about the shutters

No, but a lot about the time frame in which he met Gerry. And I believe that was a lot earlier than 9.15.

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Post  wjk on Fri 10 Feb - 8:47

Lioned wrote:Donal Macintyre is a sycophantic twat who would win a prize as the Worlds whorst journalist if there was such a prize.He is best mates of that lot who claim to be entertainers like eamon holmes,fat face felt,lorraine smelly et al and cant even hold down a job as bit parts on ITV London.The chances of macintyre getting insider gossip off Scotland Yard is zero.He's another mccann arse licker who's spouted this rubbish before.

Have to agree with you, Lioned. He takes every word the McCann's utter as gospel and thats where his 'investigations' start from. And why I take what he says with a pinch of salt.

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Post  Annabel on Fri 10 Feb - 9:22

strange, I've posted the article yesterday but now it's gone!

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Post  Chris on Fri 10 Feb - 11:11

The implied suggestion that the PJ cocked up and allowed trails to go cold by immediately blaming the parents is to say the least disingenuous and rather a shoddy distortion of the true sequence of events.

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Post  dazedandconfused on Fri 10 Feb - 12:32

After his first "excellent" piece of investigative journalism about Madeleine's abduction, I shall treat this offering with the same contempt.


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Post  Angelique on Fri 10 Feb - 12:50

As regards the latest from MacIntyre - perhaps he's looking for work?

However, I am interested in the "sniffer dogs" originally brought in to follow a possible trail. I am pretty sure they led the Police to 5J - I am sure I have read this. It was decided the dog/s had smelt rotting food. But will chase this up if I can. I think that 5J was used for something else. I wonder if either this was really the apartment the McCanns resided or Madeleine was in there at some point.


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Post  margaret on Fri 10 Feb - 13:03

marxman wrote:
chrissie1 wrote:I worked with Wilkins in the past. Even while on holiday, he is still a trained observer and yet he saw nothing out of the ordinary.

A trained observer, yet he didn't see jane tanner OR bundleman on a quite narrow street

Hi Chrissie1, interesting. But didn't Wilkins say something
about Gerry near or at the shutters?
This was reported/discussed very early on but I think it
may be myth.

It's not a myth l read it in the papers myself.

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Post  marxman on Fri 10 Feb - 13:48

i've found a link to 'Justice for Madeleine' blog dated Sept 08,
this is an extract from said blog;

Wilkins nor Gerry McCann state they saw Jane Tanner at the same time and place she claimed to be when seeing the abductor. Jeremy Wilkins had inadvertantly stumbled upon Gerry McCann tampering with the shutters to make it look like a break in had occured, or as he later claimed a break out by the abductor as he went out of the window. Both Gerry McCann and Jeremy Wilkins would not only have seen the abductor, they would have also heard him.

Link;http://hypocriteandliar.wordpress.com/tag/jeremy-wilkins/

So I guess I'm not loosing my marbles
I knew it was reported early-days but how true it is I don't know.
However, If Wilkins is reinterviewed by SY it will be devastating!

.


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