How much longer

I was wondering how much longer before any significant breakthrough will happen. Not sure if I think the Review will bring anything useful. But you never know. And that's over a year ahead at least if I've understood things correctly. And as for this summer's court cases it's hard to see which way they will go. But I hope there will be some sort of breakthrough in this case and I know some people are optimistic something is on the horizon. Even if something significant turned up that would be a step forward. Because it seems to have been deadlock for about three years. That's how I'm seeing it. The only positive thing is that there are hardly any of those pointless newspaper articles giving the usual spin.

This should give us (and Madeleine) some hope:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/03/new-episodes-of-judicial-war-with.html

I particularly like this bit from GA:

The only expectation that I have is that we are going to win the action, since there are no facts or material facts to support the claim. The action of the McCanns is inept. It is this that causes a great despondency in the illustrious lawyer, who felt the need to proceed with a campaign of disinformation and slander against me. She should not forget what she has been saying, because she will answer for that in court.

With thanks to Joana.

My favourite bit, was this bit - which his friends in the PJ have obviously kept him in the loop about:

The decision of that Prime Minister has been twisted. The McCann couple has spoken of a re-examination of the child’s “sightings”. When, in fact, what is known is that Scotland Yard, who were appointed to re-evaluate the whole investigation, has set aside the pseudo-sightings, focusing instead on the investigation process that remains archived. Elements from the Scotland Yard have been working with an investigative [Judiciary Police] team from Oporto (Oporto because Algarve and Lisbon have already been involved), and what is known is that the “affair” is not going well for the McCanns.

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And don't forget what was coming out from 'sources in the PJ' in the newspapers Summer 2007 had alot of basis in fact....

Hi Margaret, what kind of "affair" do you think it means? "Affair" as in "an Affair"? I must have missed something :)

Affair as in Farrago ............... nothing to do with relationships!

MaryB wrote:I was wondering how much longer before any significant breakthrough will happen. Not sure if I think the Review will bring anything useful. But you never know. And that's over a year ahead at least if I've understood things correctly. And as for this summer's court cases it's hard to see which way they will go. But I hope there will be some sort of breakthrough in this case and I know some people are optimistic something is on the horizon. Even if something significant turned up that would be a step forward. Because it seems to have been deadlock for about three years. That's how I'm seeing it. The only positive thing is that there are hardly any of those pointless newspaper articles giving the usual spin.

Thank goodness for that - the papers have been rather quiet about everything - and so too have the McCanns - no bleating about the horrible things are being said over in Portugal. The only thing I would say is that no way can this carry on for another 5 years (can it??) - something has to give soon and hopefully the review or the judicial cases coming up will end this one way other the other................ What then will I do??!!

Hi Mary,i wish i could tell you...very soon but i can tell you the mccans & i use this term lightly...their friends will be thinking the same...How Much Longer

Think of it as being like a swan. Very serene and peaceful looking up top. Feet working like the clappers underneath.

Have any of you read Kate and Gerry's reply to that piece? It's quite shocking. They've calculated Amaral's earnings down to the cent. Shows you exactly where their twisted priorities lie.

the slave wrote:Have any of you read Kate and Gerry's reply to that piece? It's quite shocking. They've calculated Amaral's earnings down to the cent. Shows you exactly where their twisted priorities lie.

Yes, I'll add the link here. It truely shows them for what they are!
https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t19280-scraping-the-bottom-textusa

wjk wrote:

the slave wrote:Have any of you read Kate and Gerry's reply to that piece? It's quite shocking. They've calculated Amaral's earnings down to the cent. Shows you exactly where their twisted priorities lie.

Yes, I'll add the link here. It truely shows them for what they are!
https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t19280-scraping-the-bottom-textusa

Actually, McCanns' replies or rebuttals have absolutely no bearing on the case whatsoever. It's a tactic which appears to have worked well in the past, but actually it hasn't worked at all. As Blacksmith points out in his excellent piece, which is the subject of another thread, the facts cannot be changed and the facts as confirmed by McCann and his willing helpers in their sworn statements to the PJ, clearly demonstrate that the alleged abduction could not have taken place at the time they say it did. Trying to smear Dr. Amaral by continually referring to the amount of money he has made from his book, in other words implying that personal gain is his primary motivation, might get some good headlines in the media, but they cannot discredit what he is saying because what he is saying is fact. IMO this whole case will be concluded shortly and if the parents and their accomplices persist in misleading and obstructing the investigation, then the authorities will have no option but to charge them with the most serious crime imaginable. If this means bringing charges in England because the onus of proof is higher under Portuguese law, so be it.

I agree with all that - and, of course, in the UK anything untoward about the Fund can also be pursued.

T4two wrote:

wjk wrote:

the slave wrote:Have any of you read Kate and Gerry's reply to that piece? It's quite shocking. They've calculated Amaral's earnings down to the cent. Shows you exactly where their twisted priorities lie.

Yes, I'll add the link here. It truely shows them for what they are!
https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t19280-scraping-the-bottom-textusa

Actually, McCanns' replies or rebuttals have absolutely no bearing on the case whatsoever. It's a tactic which appears to have worked well in the past, but actually it hasn't worked at all. As Blacksmith points out in his excellent piece, which is the subject of another thread, the facts cannot be changed and the facts as confirmed by McCann and his willing helpers in their sworn statements to the PJ, clearly demonstrate that the alleged abduction could not have taken place at the time they say it did. Trying to smear Dr. Amaral by continually referring to the amount of money he has made from his book, in other words implying that personal gain is his primary motivation, might get some good headlines in the media, but they cannot discredit what he is saying because what he is saying is fact. IMO this whole case will be concluded shortly and if the parents and their accomplices persist in misleading and obstructing the investigation, then the authorities will have no option but to charge them with the most serious crime imaginable. If this means bringing charges in England because the onus of proof is higher under Portuguese law, so be it.

I agree T4two. Dr Amaral has dealt solely with facts throughout. It's just interesting that they should come out yet again, when Dr Amaral speaks, to try and discredit him. Are they worried? They should be!

wjk wrote:

T4two wrote:

wjk wrote:

the slave wrote:Have any of you read Kate and Gerry's reply to that piece? It's quite shocking. They've calculated Amaral's earnings down to the cent. Shows you exactly where their twisted priorities lie.

Yes, I'll add the link here. It truely shows them for what they are!
https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t19280-scraping-the-bottom-textusa

Actually, McCanns' replies or rebuttals have absolutely no bearing on the case whatsoever. It's a tactic which appears to have worked well in the past, but actually it hasn't worked at all. As Blacksmith points out in his excellent piece, which is the subject of another thread, the facts cannot be changed and the facts as confirmed by McCann and his willing helpers in their sworn statements to the PJ, clearly demonstrate that the alleged abduction could not have taken place at the time they say it did. Trying to smear Dr. Amaral by continually referring to the amount of money he has made from his book, in other words implying that personal gain is his primary motivation, might get some good headlines in the media, but they cannot discredit what he is saying because what he is saying is fact. IMO this whole case will be concluded shortly and if the parents and their accomplices persist in misleading and obstructing the investigation, then the authorities will have no option but to charge them with the most serious crime imaginable. If this means bringing charges in England because the onus of proof is higher under Portuguese law, so be it.

I agree T4two. Dr Amaral has dealt solely with facts throughout. It's just interesting that they should come out yet again, when Dr Amaral speaks, to try and discredit him. Are they worried? They should be!

So, instead of referring to Amaral's book and coming up with details that they think are not from the investigation, all they focus on is how much money the book may have brought in? Odd priorities.

i think thyre really p****d that Dr Amaral doesnt play their game. Whats that saying people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones.

As all the pro McCann supporters are too. Look at them on twitter & JATYK & other troll sites. Do they discuss the evidence? No they dare'nt either. They aim to "out" & abuse us who DO actually talk about it & discuss it.

My belief is that Goncalo Amaral anticipated the nasty games and placed himself in a position, away from his family, where they can no longer 'hurt' him.

He knows hes right, they know hes right and like cornered rats they will fight dirty to the end...

"A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it, the truth is the truth even if no one believes it."

I don't look too much at the pro sites because they don't do my blood pressure any good but does any braver soul know if they are discussing (if it's possible for the pros to discuss anything) the very informative article that appeared recently about the McCann fund? Normally the pros tear anything to shreds that they don't like and try to discredit whoever wrote it but I've heard nothing at all from them about it, which is very strange.

For convenience, here's a lnk to the article. http://www.mccannfiles.com/id405.html

AnnaEsse wrote:

wjk wrote:

T4two wrote:

wjk wrote:

the slave wrote:Have any of you read Kate and Gerry's reply to that piece? It's quite shocking. They've calculated Amaral's earnings down to the cent. Shows you exactly where their twisted priorities lie.

Yes, I'll add the link here. It truely shows them for what they are!
https://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t19280-scraping-the-bottom-textusa

Actually, McCanns' replies or rebuttals have absolutely no bearing on the case whatsoever. It's a tactic which appears to have worked well in the past, but actually it hasn't worked at all. As Blacksmith points out in his excellent piece, which is the subject of another thread, the facts cannot be changed and the facts as confirmed by McCann and his willing helpers in their sworn statements to the PJ, clearly demonstrate that the alleged abduction could not have taken place at the time they say it did. Trying to smear Dr. Amaral by continually referring to the amount of money he has made from his book, in other words implying that personal gain is his primary motivation, might get some good headlines in the media, but they cannot discredit what he is saying because what he is saying is fact. IMO this whole case will be concluded shortly and if the parents and their accomplices persist in misleading and obstructing the investigation, then the authorities will have no option but to charge them with the most serious crime imaginable. If this means bringing charges in England because the onus of proof is higher under Portuguese law, so be it.

I agree T4two. Dr Amaral has dealt solely with facts throughout. It's just interesting that they should come out yet again, when Dr Amaral speaks, to try and discredit him. Are they worried? They should be!

So, instead of referring to Amaral's book and coming up with details that they think are not from the investigation, all they focus on is how much money the book may have brought in? Odd priorities.

Dr amaral is only concerned with facts. They can only repudiate the facts with lies. This must be increasingly clear even to their blindest supporters. The question is, how long can lawyers support their clients in such a situation without making themselves complicit in the deception?

When I asked this the other day I had no idea of this latest news of the case might be re-opening. Or have I got this wrong and it's just a rumour or a review by the Portuguese police as well as Scotland Yard. It's hard to judge what's happening even though I've read the posts and some of the articles. I've been very pessimistic lately over anything being solved. but maybe just mabye the case will be re-opened. It certainly looks like something is happening.

I am just holding back any opinion about the recent events - the newspaper reports etc. - as other incidents like the Hacking and Leveson Inquiry didn't trigger anything to happen. I would be inclined to accept any response from Claudia as to what is really happening- but this does not mean I can't wait for someone of the T9 to break cover!

Angelique wrote:I am just holding back any opinion about the recent events - the newspaper reports etc. - as other incidents like the Hacking and Leveson Inquiry didn't trigger anything to happen. I would be inclined to accept any response from Claudia as to what is really happening- but this does not mean I can't wait for someone of the T9 to break cover!

....or run for cover!

AnnaEsse wrote:

Angelique wrote:I am just holding back any opinion about the recent events - the newspaper reports etc. - as other incidents like the Hacking and Leveson Inquiry didn't trigger anything to happen. I would be inclined to accept any response from Claudia as to what is really happening- but this does not mean I can't wait for someone of the T9 to break cover!

....or run for cover!

AnnaEsse

Or both!