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Post  pm on Fri 28 Nov - 9:13

Two forensic medicine experts said at the Court of Faro today that Leonor Cipriano’s lesions that are documented in photographs that were taken at the prison in Odemira were not all caused within the same time period

“There are lesions to the head, torso, upper member and thorax, but they don’t all have the same temporality because they have different colors”, said pathologist Rosa Maria da Silva, during the sixth session of the trial of the PJ inspectors who are involved in a process of alleged aggressions against Leonor Cipriano, following the investigation into the disappearance of her daughter Joana in 2004.

According to expert Rosa Maria da Silva, who authored a report about Leonor Cipriano’s lesions based on some of the photos that are included in the process, the “lesions were caused by contusing trauma” and its evolution starts with a reddish colour, then a black purple colour (until the third day after the blow), followed by a blue purple colour (until the sixth day after the blow), finishing in a green and finally yellow colour.

Although it has “indicative value” and may vary, this colour scale allows for pathologists to evaluate the trauma temporality.

“A blue lesion was certainly not produced on the day that it was photographed”, the expert alleged, referring that the photographs that she analysed were either “not all taken on the same day” at the Prison in Odemira or “something happened”.

The cause of said lesions, according to the medic, could be either fist blows (active form) or a fall from the stairs (passive form).

“Fist blows cannot be excluded, but it could have not been that, either. It’s not possible to reach major conclusions”, Rosa Maria da Silva admitted.

According to the opinion of another pathologist that was also heard in court today, expert Tânia Maio, the photographs that she analysed also demonstrate that one is looking at “different moments of the lesion” because the “colour and the lesions” differ from one photo to another, but safeguarding that the blood absorption varies according to the area of the body being more or less irrigated by blood.

Expert Tânia Maio further refers that all of the trauma that she saw on the photos resulted from a “contusing form”, but that they could be caused by fist blows (active form) as well as by a fall (passive form), although she stressed that her opinion falls on a “trauma from passive form”, which means a soft body hitting [a surface] and not direct trauma.

Another witness that had been heard during one of the initial sessions of the trial, a computer expert, admitted that the photographs that were taken of Leonor Cipriano with hematoma marks on several parts of her body “could have been manipulated”.

Miguel Custódio, who was summoned to testify by the defense of inspector Marques Bom, one of the five arguidos in the process, said that the photographs passed through a software filter that manipulated them, but that it’s not possible to determine if that manipulation was done without access to the original files.

For Leonor Cipriano’s lawyer, Marcos Aragão, these opinions are irrelevant for the process: “I don’t see any relevance, because these doctors are not witnesses in the process”, he told the journalists.

Defense lawyer Pragal Colaço, on another hand, said that the testimonies from the pathologists “brought a very important fact” into the process, which is the “evolution time of the lesions”.

“The photos could have been taken at different times. There are lesions that are older than others. They are not all contemporary (at the date of the photo session)”, the lawyer observed, referring that it was not possible to obtain any certainties concerning the cause of the trauma being direct fist blows.

The accusations from the Public Ministry against the Polícia Judiciária inspectors appeared after the questioning at the PJ in Faro in 2004, the time at which Leonor appeared at the Prison in Odemira, where she serves a prison sentence, with hematomas in her face and on her body.

Leonor Cipriano and her brother João Cipriano were each condemned to 16 years in prison, for the crimes of homicide and concealment of the cadaver of Joana, the eight-year-old girl who disappeared from the village of Figueira, in Portimão (Algarve) in September of 2004
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Post  Susan on Fri 28 Nov - 9:21

Hey! Maybe they beat her before lunch and then 3 hours after

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Post  pm on Fri 28 Nov - 10:04

Ambersuz wrote:Hey! Maybe they beat her before lunch and then 3 hours after

wit a frozen sardine


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Post  lubelle on Fri 28 Nov - 10:09

I don't know but who ever did beat her up,all i can say is well done...i hate to even here her name.
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Post  Susan on Fri 28 Nov - 10:12

pm wrote:
Ambersuz wrote:Hey! Maybe they beat her before lunch and then 3 hours after

wit a frozen sardine




You should be in court next to the detectives!

The evidence is in your freezer!!

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Post  pm on Fri 28 Nov - 10:20

lubelle wrote:I don't know but who ever did beat her up,all i can say is well done...i hate to even here her name.

and Lub you can´t imagine how i feel about her, against her I mean

Leonor didn´t have a good children time, she was rape by her father and brother daily

very young she was at the streets selling her body

no one gave her love and so on and so on

But what she had in her children time she did also to her kids

Why she had babies, if she knew she will not love them?
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pm wrote:
Ambersuz wrote:Hey! Maybe they beat her before lunch and then 3 hours after

wit a frozen sardine




You should be in court next to the detectives!

The evidence is in your freezer!!

i think i will be arrest after if i were there....Paula will beat on Leonor - news of PT
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Post  lubelle on Fri 28 Nov - 10:55

pm wrote:
lubelle wrote:I don't know but who ever did beat her up,all i can say is well done...i hate to even here her name.

and Lub you can´t imagine how i feel about her, against her I mean

Leonor didn´t have a good children time, she was rape by her father and brother daily

very young she was at the streets selling her body

no one gave her love and so on and so on

But what she had in her children time she did also to her kids

Why she had babies, if she knew she will not love them?
This is what worries me the most..these poor children get abused..it recks their lives,and they go on to do the same.It's such a viscous circle.I wish i could take all the little children that are in danger and bring them up with mountains of love.
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