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Daily star." Madeleine suspect was a known criminal" 1/11/2013 J.Lawton

Post  frencheuropean on Fri 1 Nov - 9:03

A misleading title but a more balanced article.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/348425/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-was-a-known-criminal



Madeleine McCann suspect was a known criminal
THE sacked holiday complex worker suspected of kidnapping Madeleine McCann had a criminal record.




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By Jerry Lawton/Published 1st November 2013
Madeleine McCann, Madd McCann, the McCanns, Kate and Gerry McCann, police suspect in Maddie case, missing child in Greece, Portuguese apartment where Maddie went missing, Maddie McCann found, Praia da Luz, police e-fit of Maddie suspect, Kate McCann, SUSPICIOUS: The man suspected of Maddie's kidnap in 2007 had a police record [PA]
He was named last night as immigrant Euclides Monteiro. But his family denied that he abducted Madeleine in a revenge against holiday resort bosses who sacked him.

Monteiro, who was killed in a tractor accident four years ago aged 40, is said to be the new prime suspect for local police.

He was fired from his job in a restaurant at the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal, a year before Madeleine vanished.

PAIN: The McCanns have never given up hope of finding their daughter Madeleine [PA]
“I strongly believe that if the police do consider he is a suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, they are looking at the wrong man”
Brother-in-law of Euclides Monteiro
Mobile phone checks place him near the McCanns’ apartment when she disappeared on May 3, 2007, aged three.

Yesterday it emerged Monteiro, from Cape Verde off the west African coast, was convicted of theft in 1996.

He was told he was being deported but received a presidential pardon. His shocked relatives said the claims had left them “devastated”.

Monteiro’s Portuguese-born widow remained in hiding yesterday and was too upset to speak.

But his brother-in-law defended him and insisted Portuguese police had not been in contact.

NEW CLUE: A worker from the apartment where Maddie vanished is the new prime suspect [JONATHAN BUCKMASTER]
Speaking outside his country home near Praia da Luz, he said: “I strongly believe that if the police do consider he is a suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, they are looking at the wrong man.

“The idea he did it to get revenge on the Ocean Club makes no sense at all.

“It wasn’t as if what happened there with him losing his job destroyed his life.

“He got work elsewhere soon after. He was working at the time he died. He is not around to defend his reputation so others have to do it for him.

“My sister does not want to speak about it. She has a young child she is trying to protect. The police will do what they have to do but we don’t want to say any more about it.’’

Madeleine’s doctor parents Kate and Gerry, both 45, from Rothley, Leics, have been made aware of the theory but their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said they “will not comment on speculation”.

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Post  kitti on Fri 1 Nov - 9:22

So everyone that has stolen from a hubcap to a pencil in school.....are potential murderers now, are they

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Post  kitti on Fri 1 Nov - 9:25

I don't believe in a million years the pj have dug this crap up from somewhere....someone else has done the digging.



It would not surprise me if somewhere down the line like the withheld efits, something will come out regarding the mccanns and their 'searching'...

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Post  keepingmum on Fri 1 Nov - 9:27

kitti wrote:So everyone that has stolen from a hubcap to a pencil in school.....are potential  murderers  now, are they
took the words out of my mouth kitti!

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Post  Guest on Fri 1 Nov - 9:44

this is all an exercise to sweep the oakley report under the carpet.  

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Post  jeanmonroe on Fri 1 Nov - 10:05

"Mobile phone checks place him near the McCanns’ apartment when she disappeared on May 3, 2007, aged three."
''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
For the umpteenth time i have said this.

There were mobile phone 'calls/traffic' from all the T9 who were 'near' the apartment when Madeleine 'disappeared'

So THEY too have to be 'explained' don't they?

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Post  Angelina on Fri 1 Nov - 10:07

jeanmonroe wrote:"Mobile phone checks place him near the McCanns’ apartment when she disappeared on May 3, 2007, aged three."
''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
For the umpteenth time i have said this.

There were mobile phone 'calls/traffic' from all the T9 who were 'near' the apartment when Madeleine 'disappeared'

So THEY too have to be 'explained' don't they?
Yes, because the Police have stated that the McCanns aren't suspects but does that also include the rest of the T9? I don't recall that being mentioned.

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Post  Angelique on Fri 1 Nov - 11:13

All these enquiries which have been reported in CdM are from the SY requests to the Portuguese :

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/10/maddie-case-pj-has-already-carried-out.html

"Everything that has come out in Correio da Manhã, and was today echoed in the UK media with extras that do not appear in the original article, is part of the rogatory letter requests sent by the English police, being carried out by a six man team of the PJ in Faro, who are working exclusively within the scope of that rogatory letter and nothing else."

The Portuguese re-opening has yet to start.

So this flurry of activity has to be from SY via TM?

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Post  kitti on Fri 1 Nov - 12:39

How could they name the man, its disgusting.

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Post  kitti on Fri 1 Nov - 12:40

But never mind, he's just some poor emigrant whose wife just wouldn't be able to afford to sue.

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Post  kitti on Fri 1 Nov - 12:56

Yesterday it emerged Monteiro, from Cape Verde off the west African coast..



Hmmmm......a black man posing as a White man snatching a child.....is this a first !



Seems some off the 'whitewash' has splashed over him too...

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Post  fuzeta on Fri 1 Nov - 12:59

kitti wrote:Yesterday it emerged Monteiro, from Cape Verde off the west African coast..



Hmmmm......a black man posing as a White man snatching a child.....is this a first !



Seems some off the 'whitewash' has splashed over him too...
  

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Post  margaret on Fri 1 Nov - 13:01

jeanmonroe wrote:"Mobile phone checks place him near the McCanns’ apartment when she disappeared on May 3, 2007, aged three."
''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
For the umpteenth time i have said this.

There were mobile phone 'calls/traffic' from all the T9 who were 'near' the apartment when Madeleine 'disappeared'

So THEY too have to be 'explained' don't they?
You're right, this is all spin to hide the fact the SY asked for phone info and wants the reconstruction like Joanna morais posted, the subtle message won't miss those that have something to hide.

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Post  Carolina on Fri 1 Nov - 13:12

At least this article quotes people speaking on his behalf, better than the one in CM. Here in the Algarve, people always go from one job to another during the summer season, it's a fact of life. So, why would this guy be more upset about losing this job than any other. He worked at the Millenium restaurant from 4 to midnight and probably didn't even know that there were apartments at the other end. Feeble "evidence" at the least.

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Post  MaryB on Fri 1 Nov - 13:22

It is fairly obvious now that this is a detraction tactic which seems to have worked well. Most newspapers and TV news have picked it up. And the e-fits are forgotten. Even on this forum people are discussing it. It's a non event. And if he was a major suspect why wasn't he mentioned on crimewatch.

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Post  kitti on Fri 1 Nov - 13:37

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1383145_10151662778377735_2062392040_n.jpg




....because he's here...

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Post  widowan on Fri 1 Nov - 22:36

There's a huge efit of Smithman here, no photo of this "suspect" - I assume photos of him do exist and if he is black man or Latino or anything other than a Gerry doppelganger then the person PJ suspect is not the same as the one SY suspect.

Again - how NEAR to Ocean Club was he? Lagos is "near" to Ocean Club and he lived there. Was there a single tower in PDL and that is near enough? or was there one there and others a half mile or a mile off? How far apart are cellphone towers, I have no idea. I lose cell connection on the highway at each place I switch towers on the way to work, that 's 24 miles and there are three places my connection gets dodgy, that's one per 8 miles, ish. 8 miles is not nearly near enough.

If McCanns are not suspects BECAUSE of the Smith sighting when Gerry was seen by many others to be at Tapas or apt 5A at that moment, then it was someone who looks very like him. I doubt this person fits that bill, so now PJ and SY have some work to do together.

We don't know but SY and PJ would know what towers there were and why this person was said to be near. Why would PJ put him near the Ocean Club if there were towers further off and he only pinged on the one that was there serving town?


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from wikipedia distance of cell towers from 1/4 mile to 50 miles

Post  widowan on Fri 1 Nov - 22:40

In practice, cell sites are grouped in areas of high population density, with the most potential users. Cell phone traffic through a single site is limited by the base station's capacity; there is a finite number of calls or data traffic that a base station can handle at once. This limitation is another factor affecting the spacing of cell mast sites. In suburban areas, masts are commonly spaced 1–2 miles (2–3 km) apart and in dense urban areas, masts may be as close as ¼-½ mile (400–800 m) apart.

The maximum range of a mast (where it is not limited by interference with other masts nearby) depends on the same circumstances. Some technologies, such as GSM, normally have a fixed maximum range of 35 kilometres (22 mi), which is imposed by technical limitations. CDMA and IDEN have no built-in limit, but the limiting factor is the ability of a low-powered personal cell phone to transmit back to the mast. As a rough guide, based on a tall mast and flat terrain, it is possible to get between 50 to 70 km (30–45 miles). When the terrain is hilly, the maximum distance can vary from as little as 5 kilometres (3.1 mi) to 8 kilometres (5.0 mi) due to encroachment of intermediate objects into the wide center fresnel zone of the signal.[3] Depending on terrain and other circumstances, a GSM Tower can replace between 2 and 50 miles (80 km) of cabling for fixed wireless networks.[4]

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Post  widowan on Fri 1 Nov - 22:47

There are many variations, but standard towers in suburban areas cover 2 or 3 miles and are spaced 3 or 4 miles apart. There may also be high powered “boomer” towers covering the same areas and reaching out 20 or more miles. Micro towers cover short distances to increase capacity in busy areas and to fill in gaps.
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Cell Tower Effective Radius http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/279200-Cell-Tower-Effective-Radius

That is probably about the US spacing of towers but I can't think the technology differs that much from place to place since it's all pretty new technology.

A single tower placed on a hill could easily span PDL and Lagos if they are 15 miles apart.

That being the case I would hardly think the PJ would declare he was "near" OC based on a ping from his home tower, he was also "near" his house.

Was there a tower in PDL so the tower covered just that resort area? If so, then there may have been more than one - a quarter mile is suspicious, 8 miles or 20 miles away is hardly that.

if there was one in PDL and one nearer to Lagos they could tell if the suspect was in PDL and then moved towards home. If there were several in PDL, even better, for determining where the cell phones all were, those of T9 and those of any suspects.

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Post  jinvta on Sat 2 Nov - 4:56

I don't believe that this man is truly a suspect at all. And he certainly can't be the main suspect based on a cell phone ping and a minimal criminal record alone. Certainly even Russell O'Brien would be a better suspect. He was allegedly away from the table for up to half an hour. He could have arranged to sell Maddie whilst he was gone, but the McCanns trust their friends implicitly. I don't really think Russell did this, however, the scenario is much more likely than tractor man petty thief turned child abductor.

It is all smoke and mirrors. Let the McCanns believe that they are not suspects and that the PJ and SY have different suspects in mind.

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Madeleine McCann key suspect was heroin addict who burgled holiday flats to get fix /TheMirror

Post  Annabel on Sat 2 Nov - 6:14

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-junkie-who-2666784

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Post  Guest on Sat 2 Nov - 6:28

jinvta wrote:I don't believe that this man is truly a suspect at all. And he certainly can't be the main suspect based on a cell phone ping and a minimal criminal record alone. Certainly even Russell O'Brien would be a better suspect. He was allegedly away from the table for up to half an hour. He could have arranged to sell Maddie whilst he was gone, but the McCanns trust their friends implicitly. I don't really think Russell did this, however, the scenario is much more likely than tractor man petty thief turned child abductor.

It is all smoke and mirrors. Let the McCanns believe that they are not suspects and that the PJ and SY have different suspects in mind.
hard to disagree with the last line although i do think they may think otherwise.  

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Post  widowan on Sat 2 Nov - 15:55

I don't think OBrien went to his apt to sell Madeleine.

This guy though took 5 euro from a till, that's his "criminal record?" How many bar tenders are there out there who fudge it a bit, and pocket as tips the money left on a bar to pay for the last drink. Taking from a till is stealing but it is not a criminal record that anyone would take seriously. Hardly a gateway to abduction.

The allegation that he MAY have been stealing from the apts to fund a drug habit has no proof and the five euro wasn't even enough obviously to notify the police, what a joke.

I think the PJ would have more than this on him to have him as a suspect otherwise it's just embarrassing. And he bears no likeness to any of the efits of the men meant to be lurking near 5A "staring" at it.

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