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Post  frencheuropean on Fri 10 Jan - 7:30

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

EXCLUSIVE to mccannfiles.com

By Dr Martin Roberts
09 January 2014


THE LIE DETECTOR

Congratulations to Dr Sharon Leal, for having caused more controversy with one sentence than many accomplish with a book. Her future as a media source of expert opinion is guaranteed (the likelihood of any court appearances in said capacity remote in the extreme).

During my own student days many years ago, I was once counselled: ‘Believe your data’, the message being not to attempt an explanation of experimental outcomes that was not reflected in the concomitant results of statistical analysis. In other words, do not engage in unfounded speculation as to causes or outcomes. Dr Leal, in contrast, holder of goodness knows what research grants, appears to believe in some other sort of scientific method, where ‘opinion’ alone can carry the weight of evidence.

The statement, 'the McCanns are 100% innocent (from my point of view)' would be perfectly acceptable in conclusion of a thorough-going appraisal of the McCanns' behaviour over time, i.e., one which addressed all of the variables acknowledged by those engaged in such a study to be worthy of consideration in any overall assessment. Otherwise it is fine as an after-dinner observation, or made over cocktails at the hotel bar even, but offered up without the support of evidential data and a rigorous argument as to the implication(s) thereof, itself based upon a significant statistical outcome, it is inappropriate, indeed unjustifiable as a representation of any professional determination. In other words it is not worth the breath that bore it.

However.

If the expertise of Dr Leal is such as to be influential at even a cursory level of assessment by herself, then, in the context of a television programme dealing explicitly with the topic of criminals lying about their actions, and in the complete absence of any qualifying accusation, whether valid or otherwise, 'the McCanns are 100% innocent' must be read as 'the McCanns have not lied'.

Immediately one can see the fallacy in this argument, as there exists incontestable proof that they have lied. Various of their false statements have long been a matter of spoken (and written) record.

But more illuminating yet than a catalogue of behaviours, which even the untrained examiner might take to contradict the supposedly more informed approach of Dr Leal, is the outcome of subscribing unreservedly to her very position; a position which, ipso facto, confers the status of truth upon the McCanns' own actions and utterances.

Hence Kate McCann's most magnificent Freudian slip tells us, in no uncertain terms, that Madeleine McCann is dead, and has been so since before Kate McCann declared publicly (to Sara Antunes de Oliveira, SIC, 9 March, 2010):

"We're not going to sit here and lie and be totally naïve and say she's one hundred per cent alive."

And no, that is not over-interpretation. Kate McCann did not say:

"We're not going to sit here and lie OR be totally naïve and say she's one hundred per cent alive."

Lying and naivety are conjoined. And since lies are spoken for the most part (we're not concerned here with the written word), saying Madeleine is one hundred per cent alive is, in this instance, to be equated with lying.

Which makes the fundraising, both before and since, the biggest lie of all (Dr Leal)."

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts: THE LIE DETECTOR -9/1/2014-the mccannfiles

Post  kitti on Fri 10 Jan - 7:32

THE STORE IS REVAMPED AND BACK....greedy b.....ds......

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Post  Panda on Fri 10 Jan - 7:40

kitti wrote:THE STORE IS REVAMPED AND BACK....greedy b.....ds......

Morning Kitti, can you post the link? They surely don't expect people to buy anything!!! Looks like the Publishers have pulled the plug on Kate's 3rd Book which is why they are trying to raise more money.

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Post  kitti on Fri 10 Jan - 7:47

www.findmadeleine.com



Press...Home Page....then...donate ...

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Post  Panda on Fri 10 Jan - 8:00

kitti wrote:www.findmadeleine.com



Press...Home Page....then...donate ...

Thanks kitti......they surely don't expect to sell books , you can get them on e-bay for 2.99 pounds (my new US Computer doesn't have the sign) and Posters.!!!

" Why do we continue?
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed. Madeleine is still missing and someone needs to be looking for her. She is very young and vulnerable and needs our help. We love her dearly and miss her beyond words. Please download a poster and display where you can.
download more posters"

"Someone needs to be looking for her".....not us, we are busy.  

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Post  AnnaEsse on Fri 10 Jan - 8:14

Dr Leal, in contrast, holder of goodness knows what research grants, appears to believe in some other sort of scientific method, where ‘opinion’ alone can carry the weight of evidence.


The above sentence assures me that Dr Roberts is worthy of his doctorate and makes me wonder if Dr Leal bought hers on Ebay!

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Post  T4two on Fri 10 Jan - 8:35

Not surprised that the tat shop/donation page is up and running - I would have been surprised if it had continued to be inaccessible. IMO given the amount of adverse comment on fora and Twitter etc. it was bound to be put online again even just to cock a snook at the thousands of concerned people on the Internet who dare to hold opinions which are unfavourable to the McCanns and who are therefore classified by Team McCann to be trolls and Internet scum. Looking at that page with its rows of boxes with standard sums for donating is gut-wrenching. Great own goal in typical GM style IMO.

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Post  Panda on Fri 10 Jan - 8:46

T4two wrote:Not surprised that the tat shop/donation page is up and running - I would have been surprised if it had continued to be inaccessible. IMO given the amount of adverse comment on fora and Twitter etc. it was bound to be put online again even just to cock a snook at the thousands of concerned people on the Internet who dare to hold opinions which are unfavourable to the McCanns and who are therefore classified by Team McCann to be trolls and Internet scum. Looking at that page with its rows of boxes with standard sums for donating is gut-wrenching. Great own goal in typical GM style IMO.

I think anyone with common sense would , like the Detective Moura , say Madeleine is dead. The Trial , if Amaral wins , will be the end of the McCanns.

Maybe they have become so Celebrity conscious that they cannot bear the thought of leading a normal life so have to keep in the spotlight . The Fund is their pocket money , not a serious attempt to find Madeleine and I think they've got a bl***y cheek asking people to pay for the privilege of sticking Posters up while on Holiday.

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts: THE LIE DETECTOR -9/1/2014-the mccannfiles

Post  almostgothic on Fri 10 Jan - 9:03

AnnaEsse wrote:Dr Leal, in contrast, holder of goodness knows what research grants, appears to believe in some other sort of scientific method, where ‘opinion’ alone can carry the weight of evidence.


The above sentence assures me that Dr Roberts is worthy of his doctorate and makes me wonder if Dr Leal bought hers on Ebay!

Yes - Dr Roberts strikes me as a proper academic. It shines through every article he writes.

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Post  keepingmum on Fri 10 Jan - 9:15

yes, Dr. Roberts has earned his doctorate. I know someone - honest - who has a doctorate in, wait for it, the history of the European Song Contest! So what has Dr. Leal done to deserve her's - how to be a know-all in five words?

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Post  AnnaEsse on Fri 10 Jan - 9:20

almostgothic wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:Dr Leal, in contrast, holder of goodness knows what research grants, appears to believe in some other sort of scientific method, where ‘opinion’ alone can carry the weight of evidence.


The above sentence assures me that Dr Roberts is worthy of his doctorate and makes me wonder if Dr Leal bought hers on Ebay!

Yes - Dr Roberts strikes me as a proper academic. It shines through every article he writes.

And Dr Leal's research is, in my opinion, in the same league as that of Dr Gerry McCann, whose conclusions can be based on a sample of one, as in the Zapata case!

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Post  Panda on Fri 10 Jan - 9:32

keepingmum wrote:yes, Dr. Roberts has earned his doctorate.  I know someone - honest - who has a doctorate in, wait for it, the history of the European Song Contest!  So what has Dr. Leal done to deserve her's - how to be a know-all in five words?

Hi keepingmum.......yes Dr. Roberts has earned his Doctorate, I wonder on what subject? Phsychiatry? Human Behaviour ? he certainly has had enough material following this case.  

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Post  almostgothic on Fri 10 Jan - 9:48

Interesting that Dr Roberts brings up those research grants.
JMO, but I think that these days, universities, like many other organisations, have gone the way of corporatisation, via the doctrines of Thatcherism and Nu-Labour.
In other words those institutions previously and traditionally regarded as public services are now forced to be run as businesses by the mores of deregulated Gov-Think.
Hence we have private companies and shadowy consortia sticking their unwelcome fingers in erstwhile sacred pies such as health and education.

This probably makes me sound 'old school', but that's because I'm old.
But I hate the idea of seats of learning becoming mercenary collectors of research grants and corporate funding.
If only for the maxim that 'he who pays the piper calls the tune'.

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Post  kitti on Fri 10 Jan - 9:51

Can you imagine having one off those wallet cards in your pocket......cant imagine any man carrying that around with them....wonder if gerry or payne carries one off these around in their back pockets.

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Post  Panda on Fri 10 Jan - 10:01

almostgothic wrote:Interesting that Dr Roberts brings up those research grants.
JMO, but I think that these days, universities, like many other organisations, have gone the way of corporatisation, via the doctrines of Thatcherism and Nu-Labour.
In other words those institutions previously and traditionally regarded as public services are now forced to be run as businesses by the mores of deregulated Gov-Think.
Hence we have private companies and shadowy consortia sticking their unwelcome fingers in erstwhile sacred pies such as health and education.

This probably makes me sound 'old school', but that's because I'm old.
But I hate the idea of seats of learning becoming mercenary collectors of research grants and corporate funding.
If only for the maxim that 'he who pays the piper calls the tune'.

It is also a sad fact that Degrees mean very little today , Britain has become like America...it's standard of Education dropping as other Countries are rising, particularly in the Middle East.

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts: THE LIE DETECTOR -9/1/2014-the mccannfiles

Post  widowan on Tue 14 Jan - 19:57

kitti wrote:THE STORE IS REVAMPED AND BACK....greedy b.....ds......

It now has Smithman...

I read the info about the Fund, it's rather interesting, no money given is tax deductible because it's not a real charity although if the aims of the Fund are secured then they will (when pigs fly) do something or other, for other children.

Well, what are the aims? To get her back, to punish the wrongdoers and to help the family. Funds will be spent in accordance with the aims and rules of the Fund, blah blah.

Presumably A and B could be satisfied and they would STILL have the family who would need help, after all, who decides how much help they need? so it looks like that Fund is coming down ten minutes after hell freezes over and apart from smethurst it's all family? And her Godfather the media guy Jon Corner guy who did the mockumentary on Panorama? So, nearly all family. And one lawyer.

They say none of the directors have taken money as REMUNERATION however it is true that the family K&G have taken money just to spend. On their lawyers and whatever, mortgage and cars.

It also claims that the directors all have backgrounds that make them suited to running a Fund which is what?

How much background does it take to simple establish a bank account and a Fund and take money out of it? Any 18 year old with a savings or checking account can do that. I suppose the reporting is a requirement that an accountant must fill, but it's really embarrassing when talking about how SOMEONE needs to look for her they have SY into the taxpayers' pocket for £10M and PJ reopening the case, and they are still whining that SOMEONE needs to be looking.

Madeleine is young and vulnerable, not as young nor as vulnerable when she was left alone every night with a pair of 2 year olds, mind.

What a price tag for the British and Portuguese taxpayers to save them the £20 of a babysitter. a pound of prevention is worth quite a bit of cure.

how long has it been since Kate was actually a GP? Has she ever gone back to work to earn money the old fashioned way, since that holiday?

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