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Post  cherryblossom on Fri 18 Mar - 21:02

Who is Anna? Guilty of speed reading if anyone mentioned it
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Post  Badboy on Fri 18 Mar - 21:04

cherryblossom wrote:Who is Anna? Guilty of speed reading if anyone mentioned it
ANNAESSE?
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Post  cherryblossom on Fri 18 Mar - 21:07

Badboy wrote:
cherryblossom wrote:Who is Anna? Guilty of speed reading if anyone mentioned it
ANNAESSE?

Thanks badboy, sorry it was my mistake, *note to self*, read slower

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Post  Badboy on Fri 18 Mar - 21:10

sOME HAVE READ SIGNIFIANCE THAT JEZ HAS PRODUCED A FILM ON CRYPTOKINETICS?, FREEZING OF BODIES
aLSO THERE WAS THAT PERSON WHO MADE ALLEGATION OF PAEDOPHILIA against him.
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Post  Porky on Fri 18 Mar - 21:12

Jeremy Wilkins statement taken by Leicester police on 7th May 2007

"The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I knew to be John and one of Jerry's friends. I think his name was Matt. He is white, slim, tall with greying hair. From previous conversations I knew him to be a diabetic specialist. We met him on the plane on the way to the destination. Matt said words to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted, and that Jerry said he had seen me and wanted to know if I had seen anything. I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they said there was nothing that could be done at that stage. We remained in the apartment but could see people around the pool and at the front with torches. I also saw the police arriving. We then went to bed".


From the horses own mouth!
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Post  Porky on Fri 18 Mar - 21:13

Badboy wrote:sOME HAVE READ SIGNIFIANCE THAT JEZ HAS PRODUCED A FILM ON CRYPTOKINETICS?, FREEZING OF BODIES
aLSO THERE WAS THAT PERSON WHO MADE ALLEGATION OF PAEDOPHILIA against him.

Do you know where Badboy?
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Post  Badboy on Fri 18 Mar - 21:15

Porky wrote:
Badboy wrote:sOME HAVE READ SIGNIFIANCE THAT JEZ HAS PRODUCED A FILM ON CRYPTOKINETICS?, FREEZING OF BODIES
aLSO THERE WAS THAT PERSON WHO MADE ALLEGATION OF PAEDOPHILIA against him.

Do you know where Badboy?

The first thing I heard from LA,tony bennett mentioned the second thing to me, a man got convinced of harassment concerning the allegations
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Post  Porky on Fri 18 Mar - 21:16

Marky wrote:
Porky wrote:Again I draw attention to Bridget O'Donnell's article in the Guardien..............

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

journalistic sugar. nothing more. Jes Wilkins - Page 2 25346

Journalistic puke! Nonetheless, another one appearing to cash in on the tragedy. Jes Wilkins - Page 2 477442
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Post  POPPY1 on Fri 18 Mar - 21:20

Porky wrote:
Marky wrote:
Porky wrote:Again I draw attention to Bridget O'Donnell's article in the Guardien..............

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

journalistic sugar. nothing more. Jes Wilkins - Page 2 25346

Journalistic puke! Nonetheless, another one appearing to cash in on the tragedy. Jes Wilkins - Page 2 477442



Indeed, more puke. Madeleine appears to be a means to making money for far too many people.

It is revolting.

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Post  Porky on Fri 18 Mar - 21:25

Q. Relative to whether I know Jane Tanner;

Jeremy Wilkins: 'Now I know her name, description of the clothes and photos which I have seen in the press. At that time I knew of her as a member of the group but did not know her name. I do not remember having seen her when I spoke with Gerry, but I believe I saw her when I first ventured out. She was stopped on the street in front of one of the group's apartments when I passed her down towards the exit to my apartment. I do not know if it was her apartment or not. I remember that she was wearing the colour purple.

Note: Wilkins states that he set out with his child between 8.15pm and 8.30pm
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Post  docmac on Fri 18 Mar - 22:03

Porky wrote:Jeremy Wilkins statement taken by Leicester police on 7th May 2007

"The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I knew to be John and one of Jerry's friends. I think his name was Matt. He is white, slim, tall with greying hair. From previous conversations I knew him to be a diabetic specialist. We met him on the plane on the way to the destination. Matt said words to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted, and that Jerry said he had seen me and wanted to know if I had seen anything. I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they said there was nothing that could be done at that stage. We remained in the apartment but could see people around the pool and at the front with torches. I also saw the police arriving. We then went to bed".


From the horses own mouth!
Exactly! But Jane had already being 'coached' by then - just in case, imo.
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Post  cherryblossom on Fri 18 Mar - 22:06

Porky wrote:Jeremy Wilkins statement taken by Leicester police on 7th May 2007

"The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I knew to be John and one of Jerry's friends. I think his name was Matt. He is white, slim, tall with greying hair. From previous conversations I knew him to be a diabetic specialist. We met him on the plane on the way to the destination. Matt said words to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted, and that Jerry said he had seen me and wanted to know if I had seen anything. I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they said there was nothing that could be done at that stage. We remained in the apartment but could see people around the pool and at the front with torches. I also saw the police arriving. We then went to bed".

From the horses own mouth!
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This just goes to show that one can read the files for years and have a blank spot, i never remembered that line about being asked if he saw anything - there was talk by many about why they didn't go to jez and ask him if he did - i guess it was because they didn't go straight away though

it's a bit like tanner's sighting - did she tell any of the men straight away seeing as she realised once the alarm was hit? so they could go looking in that direction? it's not mentioned in any of their statements is it?
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Post  Guest on Fri 18 Mar - 22:31

cherryblossom wrote:it's a bit like tanner's sighting - did she tell any of the men straight away seeing as she realised once the alarm was hit? so they could go looking in that direction? it's not mentioned in any of their statements is it?

i believe she didn't mention it till some time later. didn't want to upset kate. Jes Wilkins - Page 2 25346
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Post  LJC on Fri 18 Mar - 23:07

[quote="Porky"]Jeremy Wilkins statement taken by Leicester police on 7th May 2007

"The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I knew to be John and one of Jerry's friends. I think his name was Matt. He is white, slim, tall with greying hair. From previous conversations I knew him to be a diabetic specialist. We met him on the plane on the way to the destination. Matt said words to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted, and that Jerry said he had seen me and wanted to know if I had seen anything. I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they said there was nothing that could be done at that stage. We remained in the apartment but could see people around the pool and at the front with torches. I also saw the police arriving. We then went to bed".


And had a great night's sleep and didn't worry about it, and just because you are told no help needed, you could bloody insist on volunteering.

How can you look from your window above at people searching with torches and simply go to bed.





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Post  aqeleega on Fri 18 Mar - 23:30

Only a cold-hearted barsteward would look out, see other people searching then go to bed knowing a little kiddie was missing.
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Post  mumbles on Fri 18 Mar - 23:33

aqeleega wrote:Only a cold-hearted barsteward would look out, see other people searching then go to bed knowing a little kiddie was missing.

Seems like a lot of people on that particular Mark Warner holiday were cold hearted.

There must have been something in the water...
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Post  cherryblossom on Fri 18 Mar - 23:34

Marky wrote:
cherryblossom wrote:it's a bit like tanner's sighting - did she tell any of the men straight away seeing as she realised once the alarm was hit? so they could go looking in that direction? it's not mentioned in any of their statements is it?

i believe she didn't mention it till some time later. didn't want to upset kate. Jes Wilkins - Page 2 25346

she mentioned it to all her female friends, so none of them mentioned it to anyone else not to upset kate? what a farce!

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Post  cherryblossom on Fri 18 Mar - 23:37

[quote="LJC"]
Porky wrote:Jeremy Wilkins statement taken by Leicester police on 7th May 2007

"The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I knew to be John and one of Jerry's friends. I think his name was Matt. He is white, slim, tall with greying hair. From previous conversations I knew him to be a diabetic specialist. We met him on the plane on the way to the destination. Matt said words to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted, and that Jerry said he had seen me and wanted to know if I had seen anything. I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they said there was nothing that could be done at that stage. We remained in the apartment but could see people around the pool and at the front with torches. I also saw the police arriving. We then went to bed".


And had a great night's sleep and didn't worry about it, and just because you are told no help needed, you could bloody insist on volunteering.

How can you look from your window above at people searching with torches and simply go to bed.

there was obviously a search party out - you lambasting him for not joining in? after all he was TOLD by OLDFIELD there was nothing he could do - how can you read his mind and know what he must have been thinking-i'm at a loss to understand where you are coming from - why don't you ask the same question of the actual MOTHER who DIDN'T budge an inch from her apartment to go out and look for her own flesh and blood however bloody dark it was

oh gerry told her to stay in the flat - bollocks to that - any mother would be running out in the streets shouting her name
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Post  LJC on Fri 18 Mar - 23:52

[quote="cherryblossom"]
LJC wrote:
Porky wrote:Jeremy Wilkins statement taken by Leicester police on 7th May 2007

"The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I knew to be John and one of Jerry's friends. I think his name was Matt. He is white, slim, tall with greying hair. From previous conversations I knew him to be a diabetic specialist. We met him on the plane on the way to the destination. Matt said words to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted, and that Jerry said he had seen me and wanted to know if I had seen anything. I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they said there was nothing that could be done at that stage. We remained in the apartment but could see people around the pool and at the front with torches. I also saw the police arriving. We then went to bed".


And had a great night's sleep and didn't worry about it, and just because you are told no help needed, you could bloody insist on volunteering.

How can you look from your window above at people searching with torches and simply go to bed.

there was obviously a search party out - you lambasting him for not joining in? after all he was TOLD by OLDFIELD there was nothing he could do - how can you read his mind and know what he must have been thinking-i'm at a loss to understand where you are coming from - why don't you ask the same question of the actual MOTHER who DIDN'T budge an inch from her apartment to go out and look for her own flesh and blood however bloody dark it was

oh gerry told her to stay in the flat - bollocks to that - any mother would be running out in the streets shouting her name


Yes there was a search party out, minus a good many more who did as they were told by Oldfield. Would you do what you were told by Oldfield?

I have asked the question of Kate and of Gerry many times and I feel strongly that the more searching that was done, the better. I defy anyone to stay indoors and not join in the search party. Would you? I'd be there like a shot personally, any human would.

Oh and how come you know what was going through Kate's mind?

You know, a child has been abducted, there is a dangerous evil padophile out there dragging her off, and people don't join in he search party. And they admit going to bed.

With friends like that, who needs enemies.

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Post  cherryblossom on Fri 18 Mar - 23:58

LJC wrote:

Yes there was a search party out, minus a good many more who did as they were told by Oldfield. Would you do what you were told by Oldfield? who else did oldfield tell not to bother then?

I have asked the question of Kate and of Gerry many times and I feel strongly that the more searching that was done, the better. I defy anyone to stay indoors and not join in the search party. Would you? I'd be there like a shot personally, any human would. jez was told there was nothing he could do and he saw there was already lots of people searching - i dont know his mind

Oh and how come you know what was going through Kate's mind?
did i say i knew? i simply posted that i found it strange that she didnt go out and search - you can't lambast a stranger not going out to search and not think madeleines own mother not going is not strange

You know, a child has been abducted, there is a dangerous evil padophile out there dragging her off, and people don't join in he search party. And they admit going to bed.

With friends like that, who needs enemies.


and having said all that i'm not sure who you were having a go at lol
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Post  Porky on Sat 19 Mar - 17:28

I have extracted passages from the most pertinent witness statements taken on 4th May 2007 on and around the time Gerry and Jane Tanner left the restaurant, assuming that the respective memory of each would be most accurate being only a few hours since they fabricated the timeline for submission to the PJ. Allowance must be made for translation discrepencies but these I consider to be only grammatical and therefore of no great importance.

Jane Tanners statement - 4th May 2007

She remembers that at about 21h10 Gerald left the restaurant to go to the apartment to check on the children. Five minutes later the witness left to go to her apartment to see whether her daughters were OK. At this moment she saw Gerry talking to an Englishman called Jes whom they had got to know during the holidays.
She passed by them knowing that Gerry had already been in the apartment to check his children.

After checking on her daughters, she returned to the restaurant. On her way back Gerry was no longer talking in the place where she had seen him. When she arrived at the restaurant Gerry was already there, accompanied by his wife Kate.

About 15-20 minutes later, her husband Russell and Mathew left to check on the children. As her daughter was restless and crying Russell stayed in the apartment.


Russell O'Briens statement - 4th May 2007

[i]He recalls that Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant at shortly after 21h00 to check on the children. He is no longer sure who went out first but five minutes later Gerry Mccann and his own partner Jane went out almost at the same time to check the children. He thinks that Gerry must have gone out first because Jane saw him chatting with a person at the holiday complex, a certain Jes. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment being worried about their daughter. Then Gerry came back at around 21h25/21h30 and they started to eat the main course.

At around 21h35/21h40, taking advantage of the lull between courses, the informant left the restaurant with Matthew to check the children. When he got there his daughter was crying so he stayed in the bedroom with her. Matthew returned to the restaurant five minutes after leaving it. His partner came to take his place in the daughters bedroom around 15 minutes later after finishing dinner. Around 21.55 he went back to the restaurant where his food had been waiting for 5-10 minutes. All the other adults had finished.

Matt Oldfields statement - 4th May 2007

The last couple to arrive at the restaurant were David and Fiona at around 21h00. Around 21h05 Matt went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near to the windows of all the childrens bedrooms. He did not hear any noise. He considered that the children were sleeping. That all the childrens bedroom windows were closed, notably the windowsn that gave access to the fourth apartment, that occupied by Madeleine. After the check he returned to the apartment saying that all the children were asleep. That Gerry allegedly went into his apartment and that he checked to make sure that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their bedroom where it was quite dark. The bedroom door was half opened. Five minutes later Gerry returned to the restaurant.

At around 21h25, Matt went into his apartment and Madeleines apartment to check on the children. He checked at the half open door and there was enough light in the room for him to see the twins in their cots, that he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine but all was quiet he deduced that she was sleeping.[/i]

Gerry Mccann's statement - 4th May 2007

Thus at 21h05 Gerry entered the club (apartment) using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition. He then went to the toilet where he remained a few instants, left the apartment and then crossed ways with someone whom he had played tennis, with whom he had a brief conversation. He then returned to the restaurant. At around 21h30 his friend Matt went to his apartment where his own children were (Mccanns children) through a sliding glass door at the side of the building which was always unlocked. He went into the room, saw the twins and didn't even notice if Madeleine was there, everything was quiet, the shutters closed and the bedroom door half-open as usual. Then Matt went back to the restaurant.

Kate Mccanns statement - 4th May 2007

Around 21h00 her husband Gerry went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were in perfect condition, then went back to the restaurant. Her husband tole her that the children were well and that he bumped into the person with whom he played tennis, who also had two children.

Kate notes that at the same time one of their friends, called Russell, went to see his children to, nevertheless he did not go into the room where Kate was staying.
At around 21h30 at the time when Kate should have gone to see her children her friend Matt who was going to check as well, went to the apartment where his children were staying and on his way went to Kates apartment. After checking for noises he went back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine.

It still seems odd to me that anyone can enjoy an evenings conviviality when it's necessary to be constantly leaving the table to check on the children.
From their somewhat garbled statements they all seemed to be coming and going around the same times, sometimes checking on others children sometimes not. And so must emphasis is put on the round of checks around 21h.00/21h10 and then 21h30 or thereabouts. Perhaps Gerry thought the 21h00 checks were more important becuase he had inadvertently encountered Jes Wilkins and thus needed to justify his presence. Or perhaps he purposely used Jes to divert attention from elsewhere.
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Post  widowan on Sun 20 Mar - 3:51

what was Jane doing out rambling round half an hour to 45 minutes before she admits (or makes up) going to check her children?

weird that jes saw her then. I have my suspicions that the clocks were fudged to correspond with the timing for some reason.People heard them out calling for MM well before ten PM.

given their careful documentation of timelines down to the minute - Gerry crossing out one time and writing another one in, just at 915 - it is hard to imagine someone getting it so very wrong. five minutes maybe but not 45.

I suppose she could have been outside the apts for some reason before they left for dinner or jes saw her on her way there, Weird too, that they did not go to dinner in pairs but the men came first or separately from their wives?

So they started on their main course at 925-930 and by 935 were off to check, in the "lull" between courses. Must have been some extremely quick eating, to get in all those "checks".
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Post  Porky on Sun 20 Mar - 20:18

widowan wrote:what was Jane doing out rambling round half an hour to 45 minutes before she admits (or makes up) going to check her children?

weird that jes saw her then. I have my suspicions that the clocks were fudged to correspond with the timing for some reason.People heard them out calling for MM well before ten PM.

given their careful documentation of timelines down to the minute - Gerry crossing out one time and writing another one in, just at 915 - it is hard to imagine someone getting it so very wrong. five minutes maybe but not 45.

I suppose she could have been outside the apts for some reason before they left for dinner or jes saw her on her way there, Weird too, that they did not go to dinner in pairs but the men came first or separately from their wives?

So they started on their main course at 925-930 and by 935 were off to check, in the "lull" between courses. Must have been some extremely quick eating, to get in all those "checks".

If we assume that Jane Tanner was on her way to the Tapas restaurant at about 20h30, to accord with their statements, this timing would coincide with Jes Wilkins seeing her lurking about outside an apartment block. My question is, if their daughter was unwell as they state, why would she go to the Tapas ahead of her husband by 15 minutes seeing that it was customary for them to assemble between 20h45 and 21h00. Why didn't she wait for her husband and then go together? Or more to the point why would she, a mother, leave her child at all if she were indeed unwell?

Again according to their statements of 4th May 2007, Gerry and Kate left the apartment about 20h30 to join the rest of the group at the Tapas. So somewhere between 20h30 and 21h00 all the group eventually congregated at the restaurant ready to order dinner. Another question for Mr and Mrs Mccann, why go to the Tapas so early when you never normally ordered until at least 21h00 and then almost immediately Gerry returns to your apartment to check on your children?

Like you widowan, I suspect the timelines to have been created to fit in with their outside activities and I rather think that Tanners chance encounter with Jes Wilkins whilst lurking in the semi-darkness was explained by her going to the Tapas in advance. No doubt she realised that she had been seen by somebody even if she didn't recognize who. Of course their timelines and version of events differ dramaticaly with the passing of time but as said before I deliberately used the 4th May 2007 statements as the circumstances surrounding the lead-up to discovering Madeleines disappearance should have been fresh in their minds.

I'll gloss over the now famous quote by Clarence Mitchell "They were so into each other, none of them wore a watch nor did they take their mobile phones to the restaurant" ~ or words to that effect! Extraordinary aint it?
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