Child abuse....Another cardiologist in deep water

Well know doctor at Great Ormond street accused off child abuse.......



Is this the person that was NOT to be named or is he the one that HAS been named ...

He's a heart surgeon by the way.

kitti wrote:He's a heart surgeon by the way.

'A child cardiologist' is what I heard, and I believe they said he was arrested abroad? They showed his picture too on Sky News.

I wonder if he's married with children???

kitti wrote:Well know doctor at Great Ormond street accused off child abuse.......



Is this the person that was NOT to be named or is he the one that HAS been named ...

Good point kitti

How can he save lives on one hand and destroy them with the other? People like him should be put to death.

I've been looking all over the Internet for more information on this story - after hearing about it on Sky News this morning.... so thank you very much for posting this Annabel!



"Professor Bonhoeffer was also alleged to have contacted Witness A "in an attempt to convince him not to give evidence, including offering him incentives to retract his complaint," the panel said.

"Witness A had nothing to gain from making his complaint and had suffered "significant hardship" as a result of making it, the panel heard. Yet he was still willing to give evidence in London because of his desire to protect others, it was told.

Advice had been sought from the most senior figures in the Met – the Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, and Commander Alan Gibson, head of child abuse investigations – before lawyers for the GMC decided not to call Witness A because of the risks, even though he was willing to give evidence. Instead, the prosecution planned to present hearsay evidence based on voice recordings of conversations between Witness A and "Witness Z", to whom Witness A first made his declaration and subsequent complaint, text messages, conversations with another witness (Witness Y) and transcripts of interviews conducted by officers of the Child Abuse Investigation Command of the Metropolitan Police. However, video and audio tapes of Witness A's evidence, made as part of the Met's criminal investigation, had been lost, removing "an opportunity for assessing Witness A's demeanour," the panel said."


I smell another establishment cover up at play!

Something fishy going on!!

FFS!! What on earth is the world coming to? Child abuse wrecks life and a doctor is supposed to be doing his/her best to save lives. When a parent entrusts their child to a doctor, that child is very vulnerable and who can we trust if not those medics into whose hands we give our precious children? Phew!!

I'll merge the threads. Kitti, would you consider editing your title to add more details please?

pennylane wrote:I've been looking all over the Internet for more information on this story - after hearing about it on Sky News this morning.... so thank you very much for posting this Annabel!



"Professor Bonhoeffer was also alleged to have contacted Witness A "in an attempt to convince him not to give evidence, including offering him incentives to retract his complaint," the panel said.

"Witness A had nothing to gain from making his complaint and had suffered "significant hardship" as a result of making it, the panel heard. Yet he was still willing to give evidence in London because of his desire to protect others, it was told.

Advice had been sought from the most senior figures in the Met – the Commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, and Commander Alan Gibson, head of child abuse investigations – before lawyers for the GMC decided not to call Witness A because of the risks, even though he was willing to give evidence. Instead, the prosecution planned to present hearsay evidence based on voice recordings of conversations between Witness A and "Witness Z", to whom Witness A first made his declaration and subsequent complaint, text messages, conversations with another witness (Witness Y) and transcripts of interviews conducted by officers of the Child Abuse Investigation Command of the Metropolitan Police. However, video and audio tapes of Witness A's evidence, made as part of the Met's criminal investigation, had been lost, removing "an opportunity for assessing Witness A's demeanour," the panel said."


I smell another establishment cover up at play!

Thanks pennylane, couldn't see anything about it on Sky....

I just don't want to think there's been a cover-up but then again how can Investigators be so blo**dy daft to lose evidence.

It's no wonder there hasn't been justice for Maddie if the police of today can't even be trusted to look after some tapes ffs.

AnnaEsse wrote:I'll merge the threads. Kitti, would you consider editing your title to add more details please?

Merge the threads is you would Anna, please.

I see he is seeking to 'quash' the case against him.



never been in trouble before.......obviously never been caught before.





Doctors covering up for doctors....

If he'd off been a dustman or postman he would off been hung, drawn and quartered by now.but no.....very embarrassing a man supposed to look after children is accused off abusing them....must cover it up, brush it under the carpet and pay the person off.....no harm done.

kitti wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:I'll merge the threads. Kitti, would you consider editing your title to add more details please?

Merge the threads is you would Anna, please.

Threads are merged kitti. Could just do with a more descriptive title now, if you don't mind, that reflects who is being accused.

kitti wrote:If he'd off been a dustman or postman he would off been hung, drawn and quartered by now.but no.....very embarrassing a man supposed to look after children is accused off abusing them....must cover it up, brush it under the carpet and pay the person off.....no harm done.

A little story.... I once worked with an old German soldier from WW2, he was a lovely, lovely person and very interesting to talk to.... He told me 'the urge to live is the strongest will known to man, the second is the sexual urge' (he told me this during the story of when he got shot in the war, l'm not sure why he added the second bit but anyhow....).

The sexual urge IS strong and paedophillia is always wrong - so such people IMO can never be rehabilitated. It's like telling me l will no longer find strong, dark, brown-eyed, handsome men attractive - but children, and l can't change my prediliction.

The pros carry on and on and on about K&G never having been arrested for their crimes. Well, I'm sure they'll love and support this guy too...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374304/Former-Great-Ormond-Street-heart-surgeon-Philipp-Bonhoeffer-suspended-child-abuse-claims.html

docmac wrote:The pros carry on and on and on about K&G never having been arrested for their crimes. Well, I'm sure they'll love and support this guy too...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374304/Former-Great-Ormond-Street-heart-surgeon-Philipp-Bonhoeffer-suspended-child-abuse-claims.html

It's already been posted Docmac.

mumbles wrote:

docmac wrote:The pros carry on and on and on about K&G never having been arrested for their crimes. Well, I'm sure they'll love and support this guy too...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374304/Former-Great-Ormond-Street-heart-surgeon-Philipp-Bonhoeffer-suspended-child-abuse-claims.html

It's already been posted Docmac.

Oh, thank you Mumbles. Been out and about and busy with other things. Remove thread please, mods.

Docmac, you have linked to an article that's not been posted on the original thread yet. So, I'm going to merge this one with it and change the title so that people can see where this has gone to in "UK News."

AnnaEsse wrote:Docmac, you have linked to an article that's not been posted on the original thread yet. So, I'm going to merge this one with it and change the title so that people can see where this has gone to in "UK News."

Appologies Anna... I didn't mean that particular article had been posted... but the story of the doc and his abuse had.

mumbles wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:Docmac, you have linked to an article that's not been posted on the original thread yet. So, I'm going to merge this one with it and change the title so that people can see where this has gone to in "UK News."

Appologies Anna... I didn't mean that particular article had been posted... but the story of the doc and his abuse had.

Thanks mumbles. I knew what you meant. Sorry if I wasn't clear!