The Backyard Prisoner: The Story of Jaycee Dugard

sexual abuse is abuse no matter if the abducted child bonds with their abductor it doesnt make it all fairy tale endings etc

It may not be the same sort of lock as the type you are familialar with. I believe it could only be opened with a key inserted.

Nellie wrote:

jassi wrote:

Nellie wrote:Abducted children and adults do bond with their abductors. This is how they cope, and often remain alive.

Their lives are not always everyday permanent hell. The Human spirit for survival is very strong in some people.

This girl will get lots of support, and I am very glad that she is alive.

And I am also very pleased that her stepfather has been vindicated. But I do wonder how he will deal with the people who accused him.

How has the stepfather been vindicated ?

Surely the complete story will only come out at the trial

On occasions I despair.

I'm sure you do, but please explain

Nellie wrote:

jassi wrote:It may not be the same sort of lock as the type you are familialar with. I believe it could only be opened with a key inserted.

Even a double locked Yale can be opened from the inside without a key.

No it can't. Double locking locks the lever.

I'm not suggesting anything, but her being found doesn't vindicate anyone.
The man and woman arrested have pleaded not guilty and we shall have to wait for the trial for the full story to emerge. Anything else is premature.

Hello Carly, The post I was referring to was on one of the first pages of this thread. You spoke of the Mc Canns and their behaviour after Madeleines disappearance amongst other things, it was an excellent post and said everything that I would have liked to have said. I really appreciated your words. Carly, I am older than you but like you I really feel for this young lady her children and her parents. We can never know how much she and the children have suffered emotionally or how hard it will be for them to adjust, we can only imagine their pain and empathise with all of them. You have a good heart Carly and I admire you too for your strengths. It is a real privilege for me to know you. Look after yourself. All my very best wishes from Rose xxx

how does anyone know what the mcanns did or didnt do or didnt see? no one does thats why we are allowed to have our own opinions just because some believe she was aabducted on here doesnt mean all of us do!!! and thats our right

String wrote:I took it to mean that they were inspired that there was hope that they might get their daughter back like the parents of Jayceee. They will be far more aware than any of us what might have happened or might still be happening to their little girl. That in itself must drive them to near insanity.

If they're near insanity then it's through guilt. I agree with you completely that they are far more aware than any of us of what has happened to their child.

Nellie wrote:

jassi wrote:

Nellie wrote:

jassi wrote:It may not be the same sort of lock as the type you are familialar with. I believe it could only be opened with a key inserted.

Even a double locked Yale can be opened from the inside without a key.

No it can't. Double locking locks the lever.

I have never seen a Yale that needed a key to open it from the inside. If you can provide me with proof I will be grateful.

I have also never seen a Yale type Continental lock that needed a key to open from the inside. Why would this be necessary under normal circumstances?

They are called High security Yale cylinder night latch . Particularly useful when there are glass panes in the door that can be broken, as lock cannot be opened without key, even from inside, when latch is locked

gypsygal,there is nothing at all wrong in believing that a abducted child will one day turn up alive its called hope.What i find wrong with the Mcs statement is the unharmed bit.Consider the feelings of families who having been through this nightmare to be told that a child having been in the hands of paedophiles is unharmed , ,these children are far from unharmed.I really find this attitude by the Mcs quite offensive.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id21.html

For this he would have needed a KEY to the front door. The one the McCanns had for the Ocean Club apartment is known in the locksmiths' trade as a "crucifix key" - and is very unusual because it has four sides. Experienced British locksmith John Reeder told us the key used to take us into the flat yesterday is almost certainly a copy. He said: "Most locksmiths would not be able to copy it without great difficulty.

gypsygal wrote:Sorry, I didn't realise that they had referred to Jaycee Dugard as "unharmed"

sorry proberly me not making myself clear .i did:nt mean to infer they did ,i was refering to parents in general whose children have been in the hands of paedophiles,may find the Mcs remarks hurtful ,in saying that Madeleine allegedly taken by paedophiles can emerge unscathed.When their own experiences tell a different story.

I agree, it's fantastic news that she's survived this dreadful ordeal, and I'm sure her mother must be overwhelmed with happiness, despite the horrors her daughter has faced. Just to hold her again. I can only imagine what that must feel like after so many years. I wish the whole family all the very best for the future, It doesn't end here, they have much more heartache to face, but at least they can face it as a family.

As for the McCanns issuing a statement. I'm not surprised, it was only a matter of time. I find it distasteful, but that's just my opinion. They seem to think they are important enough to pass comment on everything and everybody. They could have sent a private message, but that's not their style, as we all know by now.

I've stopped paying attention, it just makes me shudder when I read anything from Clarence Mitchell :lala:

Tyra i get what you are saying and i do see the point,but at the same time how on earth can parents of a child who they have said maybe in the hands of paedophiles make such a careless statement.Children who have been abused by these people are traumatised .Their bodies may heal but do their minds.they're maybe safe once more within their family ,but unharmed absolutely not.

Locks do normally come with more than one key.

halfamo wrote:Tyra i get what you are saying and i do see the point,but at the same time how on earth can parents of a child who they have said maybe in the hands of paedophiles make such a careless statement.Children who have been abused by these people are traumatised .Their bodies may heal but do their minds.they're maybe safe once more within their family ,but unharmed absolutely not.

have you ever read torey hayden books i have her whole book set in one of her books called ghost girl it describes what being abducted did for one of her clients and that child was abducted by her own father when she was 5 and was reunited with her mum a few years later it was terrible to read

To add to my above post ,the picture of these two coming out of the church seven days or so after they claimed their little girl was in the hands of paedophiles ,grins all over their faces,still astounds me to this day.

carlymichelle wrote:

halfamo wrote:Tyra i get what you are saying and i do see the point,but at the same time how on earth can parents of a child who they have said maybe in the hands of paedophiles make such a careless statement.Children who have been abused by these people are traumatised .Their bodies may heal but do their minds.they're maybe safe once more within their family ,but unharmed absolutely not.

have you ever read torey hayden books i have her whole book set in one of her books called ghost girl it describes what being abducted did for one of her clients and that child was abducted by her own father when she was 5 and was reunited with her mum a few years later it was terrible to read

No Carly i have'nt but i will look out for it ,thanks mo.

halfamo wrote:

carlymichelle wrote:

halfamo wrote:Tyra i get what you are saying and i do see the point,but at the same time how on earth can parents of a child who they have said maybe in the hands of paedophiles make such a careless statement.Children who have been abused by these people are traumatised .Their bodies may heal but do their minds.they're maybe safe once more within their family ,but unharmed absolutely not.

have you ever read torey hayden books i have her whole book set in one of her books called ghost girl it describes what being abducted did for one of her clients and that child was abducted by her own father when she was 5 and was reunited with her mum a few years later it was terrible to read

No Carly i have'nt but i will look out for it ,thanks mo.

in ghost girl the little girl was so traumatised she got split personality disorder she had multible personalitys etc and tried to kill herself by aged 8: and torey hayden is non fiction..

tyra wrote:

halfamo wrote:Tyra i get what you are saying and i do see the point,but at the same time how on earth can parents of a child who they have said maybe in the hands of paedophiles make such a careless statement.Children who have been abused by these people are traumatised .Their bodies may heal but do their minds.they're maybe safe once more within their family ,but unharmed absolutely not.

Do you mean the statement, there is no evidence that she has been seriously harmed?

I think that's a fair and accurate point, the fact that their fear is that she may be with a paedophile notwithstanding, they are talking about the investigation into her abduction and the fact that there was no evidence that she left the apartment anything other than alive and apparently well (ie no evidence of molestation) and they have since not found any evidence to contradict that, they are still looking and hoping for a live child.

Nobody, least of all the parents of an abducted child, wants to get into the detail of what a paedophile does to a child, it does not need to be said and they more than anyone else will know the possibilities but the


hope that this is not her reality will get them through each day.

Tyra i respect what you say ,i respect your view ,i hope you can respect mine .imho there was no abduction and that is why they are so blase in what they say.

carlymichelle wrote:

halfamo wrote:

carlymichelle wrote:

halfamo wrote:Tyra i get what you are saying and i do see the point,but at the same time how on earth can parents of a child who they have said maybe in the hands of paedophiles make such a careless statement.Children who have been abused by these people are traumatised .Their bodies may heal but do their minds.they're maybe safe once more within their family ,but unharmed absolutely not.

have you ever read torey hayden books i have her whole book set in one of her books called ghost girl it describes what being abducted did for one of her clients and that child was abducted by her own father when she was 5 and was reunited with her mum a few years later it was terrible to read

No Carly i have'nt but i will look out for it ,thanks mo.

in ghost girl the little girl was so traumatised she got split personality disorder she had multible personalitys etc and tried to kill herself by aged 8: and torey hayden is non fiction..

sorry i meant twilight children


http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Children-Voices-Therapist-Listened/dp/0060560894/ref=pd_sim_b_6

From Publishers Weekly
Hayden was working as a special ed teacher and needed a break. With her psychiatric training and specialization in "elective mutism," she was cajoled into working for a hospital-based psychiatric crisis and assessment unit. She begins this book with the story of a girl who was only six when she was abducted by her father; returned to her home two years later, she alternated long stretches of silence with lying and sexual accusations

Nine-year-old Cassandra, kidnapped by her father and found starving, dirty, and picking through garbage cans -- a child prone to long silences and erratic, violent behavior, whose hard-won recollections of the nightmare she endured could not be fully trusted.

You would imaginethough, that they would all be accounted for at any given time.

Unless, of course, Warners documentation of keys was as sloppy as their documentation of creche records.

i've made a note of it Carly ,i have a online account with Amazon , i will look later ,thank you .

halfamo wrote:i've made a note of it Carly ,i have a online account with Amazon , i will look later ,thank you .

your welcome and i posted that review of the book because it shows if a child is abducted the effects can last a lifetime not that i thinkk maddie was abducted but imo it proves if she was she would not be unharmed

gypsygal wrote:

magicslipper wrote:Doesn't this tell you all you need to know about the Macs? Who else could be inspired when that poor girl has been through a living hell, words fail. Any normal parent would be saying yes, great that's she's alive but their heart goes iut to her parents and her. No parent would want their child to suffer like Jaycee has.

Hi,I am new here, I am gypsygal. I was reading this thread and I am puzzled. What parent of a missing child wouldn't be inspired about a situation where a lost child turned up years after she had gone missing. At least she is alive.
Can someone tell me what is wrong about the Mccanns taking hope from this news?

Considering what Jaycee has gone through over the past 18 years 'inspired' is a strange, and poor, choice of word.