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Not Born Yesterday wrote:Thanks for that. It's http://regretsandramblings.com/

I think that she said that she changed her mind after reading the police reports - clearly not the same ones that anyone else has seen!

that there was no evidence to support the many allegations pertaining to the theory that Kate and Gerry McCann were involved in their daughters disappearance.

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Thanks for that. It's http://regretsandramblings.com/

I think that she said that she changed her mind after reading the police reports - clearly not the same ones that anyone else has seen!

Velvet wrote:

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Thanks for that. It's http://regretsandramblings.com/

I think that she said that she changed her mind after reading the police reports - clearly not the same ones that anyone else has seen!

I have to say I'm slowly reading through the mccannfiles and so far still haven't a clue what I think. There's certain things that I think can be answered. Though of course there are a few things that I cannot comprehend regarding the mccanns, but if they truly are grieving parents who's to say whats the right/wrong way to handle such a rare incident.

Loopdaloop wrote:

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Thanks for that. It's http://regretsandramblings.com/

I think that she said that she changed her mind after reading the police reports - clearly not the same ones that anyone else has seen!

never saw the other forum or knew who this person was but it is obvious that carter-ruck have had their hands on this from the following statement

that there was no evidence to support the many allegations pertaining to the theory that Kate and Gerry McCann were involved in their daughters disappearance.

That there is 'no evidence' is Mccan talk not anyone elses. I imagine this 'bren' person is posting anonymously now under a pseudonym.

Velvet wrote:

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Thanks for that. It's http://regretsandramblings.com/

I think that she said that she changed her mind after reading the police reports - clearly not the same ones that anyone else has seen!

I have to say I'm slowly reading through the mccannfiles and so far still haven't a clue what I think. There's certain things that I think can be answered. Though of course there are a few things that I cannot comprehend regarding the mccanns, but if they truly are grieving parents who's to say whats the right/wrong way to handle such a rare incident.

Velvet wrote:

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Thanks for that. It's http://regretsandramblings.com/

I think that she said that she changed her mind after reading the police reports - clearly not the same ones that anyone else has seen!

I have to say I'm slowly reading through the mccannfiles and so far still haven't a clue what I think. There's certain things that I think can be answered. Though of course there are a few things that I cannot comprehend regarding the mccanns, but if they truly are grieving parents who's to say whats the right/wrong way to handle such a rare incident.

The End Is Nigh wrote:kathybelle, that is it in a nutshell

kitti wrote:......who would abduct a dead child......

NoStone wrote:

Velvet wrote:

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Thanks for that. It's http://regretsandramblings.com/

I think that she said that she changed her mind after reading the police reports - clearly not the same ones that anyone else has seen!

I have to say I'm slowly reading through the mccannfiles and so far still haven't a clue what I think. There's certain things that I think can be answered. Though of course there are a few things that I cannot comprehend regarding the mccanns, but if they truly are grieving parents who's to say whats the right/wrong way to handle such a rare incident.

- and there in lies a big clue Velvet! What the mc's were seen to be doing was 'handeling' the situation - not searching but contacting the press - not protecting the crime scene but standing around with their friends whereas anyone that has had one of their children go missing - even if its for a minute or two will tell you that emotions kick-in and over-ride everything else other than finding your child. People would rip the earth up, turn over cars in a natural reaction to find there loved one.

All we saw was a not very well handled attempt at displaying extreame emotion by the mc's - kneeling and banging on the beds!! No one, not even Dr's can overcome the bodies natural reactions when the adreneline kicks in.

Lillyofthevalley wrote:

Velvet wrote:

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Thanks for that. It's http://regretsandramblings.com/

I think that she said that she changed her mind after reading the police reports - clearly not the same ones that anyone else has seen!

I have to say I'm slowly reading through the mccannfiles and so far still haven't a clue what I think. There's certain things that I think can be answered. Though of course there are a few things that I cannot comprehend regarding the mccanns, but if they truly are grieving parents who's to say whats the right/wrong way to handle such a rare incident.

Velvet what you need to do first is read, on-line, Sn Amarals book, then read some of the Tapas PJ interviews, I'm sure then you wouldn't question the right/wrong way to handle such a rare incident, imo abductions are not rare incidents, however the way the McCanns have delt with Maddies disappearance is luckly a very rare incident....thankfully.

Velvet wrote:

NoStone wrote:

Velvet wrote:

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Thanks for that. It's http://regretsandramblings.com/

I think that she said that she changed her mind after reading the police reports - clearly not the same ones that anyone else has seen!

I have to say I'm slowly reading through the mccannfiles and so far still haven't a clue what I think. There's certain things that I think can be answered. Though of course there are a few things that I cannot comprehend regarding the mccanns, but if they truly are grieving parents who's to say whats the right/wrong way to handle such a rare incident.

- and there in lies a big clue Velvet! What the mc's were seen to be doing was 'handeling' the situation - not searching but contacting the press - not protecting the crime scene but standing around with their friends whereas anyone that has had one of their children go missing - even if its for a minute or two will tell you that emotions kick-in and over-ride everything else other than finding your child. People would rip the earth up, turn over cars in a natural reaction to find there loved one.

All we saw was a not very well handled attempt at displaying extreame emotion by the mc's - kneeling and banging on the beds!! No one, not even Dr's can overcome the bodies natural reactions when the adreneline kicks in.

Evening No stone. See I don't find it strange that they didn't protect the crime scene, like you said you would rip the earth up to find a loved one, that would be the last thing on my mind. Even when I walked in to my home mid burglary and they jumped out the windows which they had opened in means of a quick escape I still naturally ran up and shut the windows to protect myself and property. In hindsight I shouldn't have done it, but it was the last thing on my mind at the time.
So I get why they wouldn't be thinking of that.

kathybelle wrote:

Velvet wrote:

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Thanks for that. It's http://regretsandramblings.com/

I think that she said that she changed her mind after reading the police reports - clearly not the same ones that anyone else has seen!

I have to say I'm slowly reading through the mccannfiles and so far still haven't a clue what I think. There's certain things that I think can be answered. Though of course there are a few things that I cannot comprehend regarding the mccanns, but if they truly are grieving parents who's to say whats the right/wrong way to handle such a rare incident.

Good morning Velvet, if you haven't a clue as to what you think, please let me help you. As we all know there is no proof Madeleine was abducted, but if she was, she was handed on a plate to the abductor by her parents. The right way for the McCanns, would have been not to leave Madeleine and their other two children unsupervised in an unlocked unlit apartment in a strange country, while they went out on the lash with their mates. They did this not just one evening, but 5 out of 6 evenings. They even went out and left their children unsupervised in that unlocked, unlit apartment, after Madeleine had told them she and Sean woke up and cried for them while they were out.

If Madeleine was abducted, or even if she hiad walked out of the unlocked, unlit apartment, to go and look for her parents, the right way would have been for the McCanns to go and look for her. They didn't look for Madeleine and they admitted they hadn't physically looked for Madeleine.

When they were asked why they didn't join the locals who stayed off work for more than a week, to look for Madeleine, they said they had been very busy doing other things in their own way to find her, it might not be physically searching for Madeleine, but they were still busy. They said they didn't look for Madeleine when she first went missing, because it was too dark. The darkness didn't stop the locals, the holidaymakers and the staff from Warner's looking for Madeleine, yet it stopped the McCanns from looking for her.

Those of us who followed the case, saw how busy the McCanns were. When they weren't busy jogging, playing tennis and going for long beach walks to clear their heads, they were busy arranging fun days to raise money for the search for Madeleine, even though the search for Madeleine was being paid for by the Portuguese taxpayers, including the locals who along with the police, searched for Madeleine day and night.

Like many other people I have followed this case from day one and I have never seen any evidence of the McCanns grieving for their little girl. I have seen the pair of them get very angry, when they have been asked questions they don't want to answer. I have seen them catagorically state that "Madeleine's disappearance isn't our fault and why would it be our fault."

They do not accept responsibility for whatever happened to Madeleine. They say they believe a paedophile took Madeleine, but she is still alive and giving him her "tuppence worth." I'm no doctor, but I can well imagine the state of Madeleine's body after a paedophile took her and believe me she would die very quickly. Kate has said in her book that she imagines Madeleine's perfect little genitals being torn apart, yet she still says she believes Madeleine is still alive.

Madeleine has been forgotten, by all the people who have swallowed the McCanns version of events. These people believe that the McCanns are the victims and anyone who says otherwise, is likely to get a tongue lashing from these people and a lawsuit smacked on them by the McCanns.

Velvet wrote:

kathybelle wrote:

Velvet wrote:

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Thanks for that. It's http://regretsandramblings.com/

I think that she said that she changed her mind after reading the police reports - clearly not the same ones that anyone else has seen!

I have to say I'm slowly reading through the mccannfiles and so far still haven't a clue what I think. There's certain things that I think can be answered. Though of course there are a few things that I cannot comprehend regarding the mccanns, but if they truly are grieving parents who's to say whats the right/wrong way to handle such a rare incident.

Good morning Velvet, if you haven't a clue as to what you think, please let me help you. As we all know there is no proof Madeleine was abducted, but if she was, she was handed on a plate to the abductor by her parents. The right way for the McCanns, would have been not to leave Madeleine and their other two children unsupervised in an unlocked unlit apartment in a strange country, while they went out on the lash with their mates. They did this not just one evening, but 5 out of 6 evenings. They even went out and left their children unsupervised in that unlocked, unlit apartment, after Madeleine had told them she and Sean woke up and cried for them while they were out.

If Madeleine was abducted, or even if she hiad walked out of the unlocked, unlit apartment, to go and look for her parents, the right way would have been for the McCanns to go and look for her. They didn't look for Madeleine and they admitted they hadn't physically looked for Madeleine.

When they were asked why they didn't join the locals who stayed off work for more than a week, to look for Madeleine, they said they had been very busy doing other things in their own way to find her, it might not be physically searching for Madeleine, but they were still busy. They said they didn't look for Madeleine when she first went missing, because it was too dark. The darkness didn't stop the locals, the holidaymakers and the staff from Warner's looking for Madeleine, yet it stopped the McCanns from looking for her.

Those of us who followed the case, saw how busy the McCanns were. When they weren't busy jogging, playing tennis and going for long beach walks to clear their heads, they were busy arranging fun days to raise money for the search for Madeleine, even though the search for Madeleine was being paid for by the Portuguese taxpayers, including the locals who along with the police, searched for Madeleine day and night.

Like many other people I have followed this case from day one and I have never seen any evidence of the McCanns grieving for their little girl. I have seen the pair of them get very angry, when they have been asked questions they don't want to answer. I have seen them catagorically state that "Madeleine's disappearance isn't our fault and why would it be our fault."

They do not accept responsibility for whatever happened to Madeleine. They say they believe a paedophile took Madeleine, but she is still alive and giving him her "tuppence worth." I'm no doctor, but I can well imagine the state of Madeleine's body after a paedophile took her and believe me she would die very quickly. Kate has said in her book that she imagines Madeleine's perfect little genitals being torn apart, yet she still says she believes Madeleine is still alive.

Madeleine has been forgotten, by all the people who have swallowed the McCanns version of events. These people believe that the McCanns are the victims and anyone who says otherwise, is likely to get a tongue lashing from these people and a lawsuit smacked on them by the McCanns.

Evening kathybelle! I completely agree they didn't search for her and the question is why? If like some people believe that the Mccanns know what happened to Madeleine, why wouldn't they just pretend to search for the sake of appearing to look like a grieving parent?

I have followed this case from day one but only came across other points of views after the Madeleine book came out. As I said I think there's some points that are completely reasonable, however things like saying it wasn't there fault is infuriating and strange as a parent to say that, when most be torturing themselves fot what they did.

I haven't yet read Jon corners statement, which I shall do now.

Of course, I would have grabbed my baby then left. However I have to say I was 6 months pregnant at the time and still went running in knowing what was happening and putting us at risk ( which some may question.) But again I just didn't think at the time.

kathybelle wrote:

Velvet wrote:

kathybelle wrote:

Velvet wrote:

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Thanks for that. It's http://regretsandramblings.com/

I think that she said that she changed her mind after reading the police reports - clearly not the same ones that anyone else has seen!

I have to say I'm slowly reading through the mccannfiles and so far still haven't a clue what I think. There's certain things that I think can be answered. Though of course there are a few things that I cannot comprehend regarding the mccanns, but if they truly are grieving parents who's to say whats the right/wrong way to handle such a rare incident.

Good morning Velvet, if you haven't a clue as to what you think, please let me help you. As we all know there is no proof Madeleine was abducted, but if she was, she was handed on a plate to the abductor by her parents. The right way for the McCanns, would have been not to leave Madeleine and their other two children unsupervised in an unlocked unlit apartment in a strange country, while they went out on the lash with their mates. They did this not just one evening, but 5 out of 6 evenings. They even went out and left their children unsupervised in that unlocked, unlit apartment, after Madeleine had told them she and Sean woke up and cried for them while they were out.

If Madeleine was abducted, or even if she hiad walked out of the unlocked, unlit apartment, to go and look for her parents, the right way would have been for the McCanns to go and look for her. They didn't look for Madeleine and they admitted they hadn't physically looked for Madeleine.

When they were asked why they didn't join the locals who stayed off work for more than a week, to look for Madeleine, they said they had been very busy doing other things in their own way to find her, it might not be physically searching for Madeleine, but they were still busy. They said they didn't look for Madeleine when she first went missing, because it was too dark. The darkness didn't stop the locals, the holidaymakers and the staff from Warner's looking for Madeleine, yet it stopped the McCanns from looking for her.

Those of us who followed the case, saw how busy the McCanns were. When they weren't busy jogging, playing tennis and going for long beach walks to clear their heads, they were busy arranging fun days to raise money for the search for Madeleine, even though the search for Madeleine was being paid for by the Portuguese taxpayers, including the locals who along with the police, searched for Madeleine day and night.

Like many other people I have followed this case from day one and I have never seen any evidence of the McCanns grieving for their little girl. I have seen the pair of them get very angry, when they have been asked questions they don't want to answer. I have seen them catagorically state that "Madeleine's disappearance isn't our fault and why would it be our fault."

They do not accept responsibility for whatever happened to Madeleine. They say they believe a paedophile took Madeleine, but she is still alive and giving him her "tuppence worth." I'm no doctor, but I can well imagine the state of Madeleine's body after a paedophile took her and believe me she would die very quickly. Kate has said in her book that she imagines Madeleine's perfect little genitals being torn apart, yet she still says she believes Madeleine is still alive.

Madeleine has been forgotten, by all the people who have swallowed the McCanns version of events. These people believe that the McCanns are the victims and anyone who says otherwise, is likely to get a tongue lashing from these people and a lawsuit smacked on them by the McCanns.

Evening kathybelle! I completely agree they didn't search for her and the question is why? If like some people believe that the Mccanns know what happened to Madeleine, why wouldn't they just pretend to search for the sake of appearing to look like a grieving parent?

I have followed this case from day one but only came across other points of views after the Madeleine book came out. As I said I think there's some points that are completely reasonable, however things like saying it wasn't there fault is infuriating and strange as a parent to say that, when most be torturing themselves fot what they did.

I haven't yet read Jon corners statement, which I shall do now.

Of course, I would have grabbed my baby then left. However I have to say I was 6 months pregnant at the time and still went running in knowing what was happening and putting us at risk ( which some may question.) But again I just didn't think at the time.

Good morning and a happy New Year Velvet. I can understand the McCanns doing things in a panic, but what I can't understand is the lies they told from the beginning. Why would Kate telephone Jon Corner and tell him the apartment was smashed and the shutter trashed, when it wasn't true? Why did both of the McCanns tell their family that the shutter was jemmied, when it wasn't true? Kate also said that she found Cuddle Cat placed on a shelf in the children's bedroom, out of Madeleine's reach. There was no shelf in the children's bedroom, plus Gerry said the soft toy was on Madeleine's bed. Those lies were completely pointless, they must have known they would be found to be lying pretty soon.

If Madeleine was abducted or if she walked out of the unlocked apartment, I can understand one of the McCanns staying in the apartment with the twins, while the other searched for Madeleine, but for both of them to stay in the apartment and then admit they never searched for Madeleine, is appalling, this is why I don't believe Madeleine was abducted. Kate now writes in her book that she and her husband were the only ones searching for Madeleine, on the night she went missing. She must think people have forgotten what she and her husband said 4½ yrs ago. She must know that information is also in the files.

When the police arrived, they found Gerry on the floor wailing like a banshee and Kate kneeling on the bed screaming and banging her head against the wall. The couple had already telephoned their family, friends and the Merseyside Priest and they had already got their timelines sorted out using the blank pages of Madeleine's book. It's as if the McCanns waited until they heard the police car draw up, then they began their performance.

When it was Madeleine's 4th birthday, the McCanns asked Warner if one of their staff could read out a statement on their behalf because they were too upset to speak about it. They were photographed outside the church, accepting flowers and gifts and laughing their heads off. I could understand them smiling as they graciously accepted the flowers and gifts, but they looked as if they were celebrating a very happy event. This occasion is in stark contrast to the incident on the airport bus, when Gerry told his mate who was filming him, to F**K Off, because he wasn't going on holiday to enjoy himself. This was a time when Gerry should have been laughing, I wonder how he felt when he saw himself and heard himself come out with that foul mouthed rant. To make matters worse, Madeleine was sat beside him when he lost his temper.

I've always wondered how and why that video ended up on You Tube? It was removed at one point, along with other videos, but then it came back and so did some of the other videos.

Velvet wrote:

kathybelle wrote:

Velvet wrote:

kathybelle wrote:

Velvet wrote:

I have to say I'm slowly reading through the mccannfiles and so far still haven't a clue what I think. There's certain things that I think can be answered. Though of course there are a few things that I cannot comprehend regarding the mccanns, but if they truly are grieving parents who's to say whats the right/wrong way to handle such a rare incident.

Good morning Velvet, if you haven't a clue as to what you think, please let me help you. As we all know there is no proof Madeleine was abducted, but if she was, she was handed on a plate to the abductor by her parents. The right way for the McCanns, would have been not to leave Madeleine and their other two children unsupervised in an unlocked unlit apartment in a strange country, while they went out on the lash with their mates. They did this not just one evening, but 5 out of 6 evenings. They even went out and left their children unsupervised in that unlocked, unlit apartment, after Madeleine had told them she and Sean woke up and cried for them while they were out.

If Madeleine was abducted, or even if she hiad walked out of the unlocked, unlit apartment, to go and look for her parents, the right way would have been for the McCanns to go and look for her. They didn't look for Madeleine and they admitted they hadn't physically looked for Madeleine.

When they were asked why they didn't join the locals who stayed off work for more than a week, to look for Madeleine, they said they had been very busy doing other things in their own way to find her, it might not be physically searching for Madeleine, but they were still busy. They said they didn't look for Madeleine when she first went missing, because it was too dark. The darkness didn't stop the locals, the holidaymakers and the staff from Warner's looking for Madeleine, yet it stopped the McCanns from looking for her.

Those of us who followed the case, saw how busy the McCanns were. When they weren't busy jogging, playing tennis and going for long beach walks to clear their heads, they were busy arranging fun days to raise money for the search for Madeleine, even though the search for Madeleine was being paid for by the Portuguese taxpayers, including the locals who along with the police, searched for Madeleine day and night.

Like many other people I have followed this case from day one and I have never seen any evidence of the McCanns grieving for their little girl. I have seen the pair of them get very angry, when they have been asked questions they don't want to answer. I have seen them catagorically state that "Madeleine's disappearance isn't our fault and why would it be our fault."

They do not accept responsibility for whatever happened to Madeleine. They say they believe a paedophile took Madeleine, but she is still alive and giving him her "tuppence worth." I'm no doctor, but I can well imagine the state of Madeleine's body after a paedophile took her and believe me she would die very quickly. Kate has said in her book that she imagines Madeleine's perfect little genitals being torn apart, yet she still says she believes Madeleine is still alive.

Madeleine has been forgotten, by all the people who have swallowed the McCanns version of events. These people believe that the McCanns are the victims and anyone who says otherwise, is likely to get a tongue lashing from these people and a lawsuit smacked on them by the McCanns.

Evening kathybelle! I completely agree they didn't search for her and the question is why? If like some people believe that the Mccanns know what happened to Madeleine, why wouldn't they just pretend to search for the sake of appearing to look like a grieving parent?

I have followed this case from day one but only came across other points of views after the Madeleine book came out. As I said I think there's some points that are completely reasonable, however things like saying it wasn't there fault is infuriating and strange as a parent to say that, when most be torturing themselves fot what they did.

I haven't yet read Jon corners statement, which I shall do now.

Of course, I would have grabbed my baby then left. However I have to say I was 6 months pregnant at the time and still went running in knowing what was happening and putting us at risk ( which some may question.) But again I just didn't think at the time.

Good morning and a happy New Year Velvet. I can understand the McCanns doing things in a panic, but what I can't understand is the lies they told from the beginning. Why would Kate telephone Jon Corner and tell him the apartment was smashed and the shutter trashed, when it wasn't true? Why did both of the McCanns tell their family that the shutter was jemmied, when it wasn't true? Kate also said that she found Cuddle Cat placed on a shelf in the children's bedroom, out of Madeleine's reach. There was no shelf in the children's bedroom, plus Gerry said the soft toy was on Madeleine's bed. Those lies were completely pointless, they must have known they would be found to be lying pretty soon.

If Madeleine was abducted or if she walked out of the unlocked apartment, I can understand one of the McCanns staying in the apartment with the twins, while the other searched for Madeleine, but for both of them to stay in the apartment and then admit they never searched for Madeleine, is appalling, this is why I don't believe Madeleine was abducted. Kate now writes in her book that she and her husband were the only ones searching for Madeleine, on the night she went missing. She must think people have forgotten what she and her husband said 4½ yrs ago. She must know that information is also in the files.

When the police arrived, they found Gerry on the floor wailing like a banshee and Kate kneeling on the bed screaming and banging her head against the wall. The couple had already telephoned their family, friends and the Merseyside Priest and they had already got their timelines sorted out using the blank pages of Madeleine's book. It's as if the McCanns waited until they heard the police car draw up, then they began their performance.

When it was Madeleine's 4th birthday, the McCanns asked Warner if one of their staff could read out a statement on their behalf because they were too upset to speak about it. They were photographed outside the church, accepting flowers and gifts and laughing their heads off. I could understand them smiling as they graciously accepted the flowers and gifts, but they looked as if they were celebrating a very happy event. This occasion is in stark contrast to the incident on the airport bus, when Gerry told his mate who was filming him, to F**K Off, because he wasn't going on holiday to enjoy himself. This was a time when Gerry should have been laughing, I wonder how he felt when he saw himself and heard himself come out with that foul mouthed rant. To make matters worse, Madeleine was sat beside him when he lost his temper.

I've always wondered how and why that video ended up on You Tube? It was removed at one point, along with other videos, but then it came back and so did some of the other videos.

Happy New to you too!!!

Maybe I missed all the statement because I never followed the link, just read what was put on the mccannfiles. However reading the statement from Jon Corner I cannot see anything mentioned about the place being smashed. Could you show me a link, as I'm probably missing it.

Regarding McCann's, what makes you think they started acting up only when the police arrived? Rachel Oldfield says when interviewed by Leicestershire Police that in the first ten minutes when realising Madeleine had not been found Kate was 'really upset, she was hysterical, really distressed, screaming, there's no way she could have acted that, or anyone could have in fact, I don't think, not even an actress.' The same goes with Fiona Payne who says 'I've never seen such raw emotion in my life.'

I've read many times people trying to make it sound strange that Kate was screaming, smashing the bed and Gerry whaling on his knees. But again why would that be a point to make. If they are innocent they had just found out their baby had been taking, how are they meant to respond?

I have seen the video with Gerry saying 'f*ck off, I'm not here to have fun.' Though it is awful that he swore in front of children it was hardly a rant or losing his temper. His voice wasn't raised, he didn't have an aggressive stance. Just a foolish comment, which I'm sure he feels idiotic about now.

Don't get me wrong I agree with many other points you made. Why did Kate say the shutters were smashed when they weren't? Why did she say in her book it felt like they were the only one's searching but then like you say, she said they never physically searched for her?

Velvet wrote:AnneEsse, I am very aware that it was the shutters that they claimed were smashed and not the apartment. It was Kathybelle who mentioned that in Jon Corners statement, that is why I am asking her to show me. Because I had never heard of that before. I hadn't got to Jon Corners statement either, so looked it up AFTER Kathybelle mentioned him.

No I do not have any idea's on why they said that regarding the shutters. Which is why I said so in my last paragraph to Kathybelle.

AnnaEsse wrote:

Velvet wrote:AnneEsse, I am very aware that it was the shutters that they claimed were smashed and not the apartment. It was Kathybelle who mentioned that in Jon Corners statement, that is why I am asking her to show me. Because I had never heard of that before. I hadn't got to Jon Corners statement either, so looked it up AFTER Kathybelle mentioned him.

No I do not have any idea's on why they said that regarding the shutters. Which is why I said so in my last paragraph to Kathybelle.

Very odd, though. You'd think it would be obvious if the shutters were smashed.