Sunday Express on-line 29/4/12

Panda wrote:

pennylane wrote:Funny how everything is deemed "significant" except the McCanns altering version of events; the blood and cadaver dog alerts in their apartment and on their possessions; and the Smith family sighting isn't it? Not to mention David Payne's perverse conversation with Gerry McCann, as overheard by a fellow doctor Katerina Gaspar on a previous holiday! It's a wonder how Scotland Yard solve any crimes at all if they put no value on any of these alarming red flags.

I've also no doubt Scotland Yard accept Jane Tanner's alleged abductor sighting and alibi for Gerry as credible, even though it falls apart under even a modicum of scrutiny.

I wish it were not so, but all roads lead right back to the parents!

Morning pennylane, I find it quite disturbing that a senior SY Police Officer can act so unprofessionally, especially since SY have been rocked by the Murdoch case and corruption caused senior Officers to resign. I wouldn't be surprised if Redwood has been feeding the McCanns all this info so Clarence can pass it on to the Press which is why they have all this info.

tigger wrote:

Panda wrote:
Morning Tigger, another stretch of the imagination ....the McCanns can find a towel on 4th May with Madeleine's DNA, but have to go back to Rothley
to collect a pillowcase from heer bed???? I have said before now, Madeleine's room was untouched for months so why didn't LP go back to the McCanns house to pick up more items when the FSS tests proved inconclusive?

Hi Panda, even more I didn't know:
http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1956-forensics-dna

It wasn't until after the analysis and conclusions of the report were done that they obtained the blood sample.

I believe that it is important to understand what that means in terms of the analysis and the actual conclusions.

Clearly they found common / familial markers / components in the pillow case sample otherwise they would not have concluded it came from a child of the McCann’s.

But without another reference sample belonging to Madeleine to compare the pillow case sample to, any results could never be conclusive because all they could compare anything to with any certainty were familial components that are common to the parents and siblings.

And it appears that this is exactly what is reflected in the report.

pennylane wrote:

Panda wrote:

pennylane wrote:Funny how everything is deemed "significant" except the McCanns altering version of events; the blood and cadaver dog alerts in their apartment and on their possessions; and the Smith family sighting isn't it? Not to mention David Payne's perverse conversation with Gerry McCann, as overheard by a fellow doctor Katerina Gaspar on a previous holiday! It's a wonder how Scotland Yard solve any crimes at all if they put no value on any of these alarming red flags.

I've also no doubt Scotland Yard accept Jane Tanner's alleged abductor sighting and alibi for Gerry as credible, even though it falls apart under even a modicum of scrutiny.

I wish it were not so, but all roads lead right back to the parents!

Morning pennylane, I find it quite disturbing that a senior SY Police Officer can act so unprofessionally, especially since SY have been rocked by the Murdoch case and corruption caused senior Officers to resign. I wouldn't be surprised if Redwood has been feeding the McCanns all this info so Clarence can pass it on to the Press which is why they have all this info.

Morning Panda,

It is very disturbing how nothing seems to have changed. It seems SY and journalists have been intimately involved for years, and it's absolutely shocking and disgusting.

Yes I think you are right about Redwood feeding info to the McCanns and then Clarence Mitchell passing it on to the press. It's all so sleazy! SY have been keeping the McCanns well informed it seems.... ahhh how sweet!

wjk wrote:

pennylane wrote:

Panda wrote:

pennylane wrote:Funny how everything is deemed "significant" except the McCanns altering version of events; the blood and cadaver dog alerts in their apartment and on their possessions; and the Smith family sighting isn't it? Not to mention David Payne's perverse conversation with Gerry McCann, as overheard by a fellow doctor Katerina Gaspar on a previous holiday! It's a wonder how Scotland Yard solve any crimes at all if they put no value on any of these alarming red flags.

I've also no doubt Scotland Yard accept Jane Tanner's alleged abductor sighting and alibi for Gerry as credible, even though it falls apart under even a modicum of scrutiny.

I wish it were not so, but all roads lead right back to the parents!

Morning pennylane, I find it quite disturbing that a senior SY Police Officer can act so unprofessionally, especially since SY have been rocked by the Murdoch case and corruption caused senior Officers to resign. I wouldn't be surprised if Redwood has been feeding the McCanns all this info so Clarence can pass it on to the Press which is why they have all this info.

Morning Panda,

It is very disturbing how nothing seems to have changed. It seems SY and journalists have been intimately involved for years, and it's absolutely shocking and disgusting.

Yes I think you are right about Redwood feeding info to the McCanns and then Clarence Mitchell passing it on to the press. It's all so sleazy! SY have been keeping the McCanns well informed it seems.... ahhh how sweet!

I agree with you both about passing on info. Whats the betting the McCanns now have ALL the info from the files that they always wanted, courtesy of SY!!

wjk wrote:
I agree with you both about passing on info. Whats the betting the McCanns now have ALL the info from the files that they always wanted, courtesy of SY!!

almostgothic wrote:In September she will be back in the civil courts in Lisbon for the McCanns seeking more than £1million in compensation in a defamation case against him.

She said: “Every one of the books sold will increase the amount of damages that we will be seeking from him.”


Greedy, grasping parasites, the whole putrid bunch of 'em!

Panda wrote:
Morning Eli, I seem to remember there were two Reports from the FSS, the second discounting the first. The FSS were considered very incomperent and
subsequently sold tp an American Firm. Stuart Prior was furious saying 15 of 19 Alelles would have been enough to go to Trial in the U.K.

almostgothic wrote:In September she will be back in the civil courts in Lisbon for the McCanns seeking more than £1million in compensation in a defamation case against him.

She said: “Every one of the books sold will increase the amount of damages that we will be seeking from him.”


Greedy, grasping parasites, the whole putrid bunch of 'em!

AnnaEsse wrote:

almostgothic wrote:In September she will be back in the civil courts in Lisbon for the McCanns seeking more than £1million in compensation in a defamation case against him.

She said: “Every one of the books sold will increase the amount of damages that we will be seeking from him.”


Greedy, grasping parasites, the whole putrid bunch of 'em!

How much in royalties does she think he'll get from each book? Is she going to make sure she knows the sales figures from every bookshop and add the odd Euro from here and there? The woman once had a good reputation I think!

ELI wrote:

Panda wrote:
Morning Eli, I seem to remember there were two Reports from the FSS, the second discounting the first. The FSS were considered very incomperent and
subsequently sold tp an American Firm. Stuart Prior was furious saying 15 of 19 Alelles would have been enough to go to Trial in the U.K.

Morning Panda, the FSS report or John L.'s report /opinions about the results are vague at best. There may have been a ' first ' report which came to a different conclusion, I know there was a letter sent to the PJ, ref. Stuart Prior stating that there was enough genetic evidence to take it further.

Panda wrote:

maive wrote:

Panda wrote:

Now we have Amaral , personal life introduced into the report for no reason, wanting the case re-opened for no valid reason, and Duarte Lawyer for the McCanns admitting the dogs findings.

It's good for us isn't it

I feel sorry for SY, this all case will hurt their reputation.. All police forces around the world should be laughing at them right now.. What happens is beyond belief, I hope for them that they have something hidden under the carpet.. I really hope..

IF he follows up all 195 'leads' and the 'lead' to nothing it enables them to answer every single one of the MCcann's objections and points, thus leaving them back as the main suspects. Thats my interpretation of all this which is why I have faith in SY still.

I think Redwood should have stayed shtum, that was a stupid thing to say that 195 queries could lead to something....why weren't they investigated
at the time.? There are 28 Police Officers supposed to be doing just that, the 5 Clerical Workers were the ones sifting throught the Files. After 10
months they should have finished all the checking by now. I'm wondering whether Scotland Yard were given access to the shelved files which would
contain important information.

almostgothic wrote:Three years ago the Sunday Express revealed an elderly British woman living in Praia da Luz saw a Portuguese-looking woman hanging around outside the McCanns’ apartment about an hour before the abduction.


Ooops!!!- shum mishtake, shurely?

ELI wrote:

tigger wrote:

Panda wrote:
Morning Tigger, another stretch of the imagination ....the McCanns can find a towel on 4th May with Madeleine's DNA, but have to go back to Rothley
to collect a pillowcase from heer bed???? I have said before now, Madeleine's room was untouched for months so why didn't LP go back to the McCanns house to pick up more items when the FSS tests proved inconclusive?

Hi Panda, even more I didn't know:
http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t1956-forensics-dna

It wasn't until after the analysis and conclusions of the report were done that they obtained the blood sample.

I believe that it is important to understand what that means in terms of the analysis and the actual conclusions.

Clearly they found common / familial markers / components in the pillow case sample otherwise they would not have concluded it came from a child of the McCann’s.

But without another reference sample belonging to Madeleine to compare the pillow case sample to, any results could never be conclusive because all they could compare anything to with any certainty were familial components that are common to the parents and siblings.

And it appears that this is exactly what is reflected in the report.

Morning tigger, this is correct, the blood didn't emerge until all the tests and the report were completed.

I posted this on another thread but it is relevant;

In order for an analyst to ‘match’ an evidentiary sample to a particular persons profile sample that person’s unique identifying genetic markers / components have to be present in that sample and correspond with the profile sample.


From the FSS Report ~ “ Departing from the principle that ALL confirmed DNA components within the scope of this result originated from a single source, then these pointed to corresponding components in the profile of Madeleine McCann “

As we can see they clearly appear to have compared this evidentiary sample to the profile sample and identified ALL corresponding components / markers which identify Madeleine, however the writer of the report has 'departed' ? from this fact because the sample contained more components which they say could have come from the parents ?? ....... we all have those

Claudia79 wrote:What's a Portuguese-looking woman?

The End Is Nigh wrote:

Claudia79 wrote:What's a Portuguese-looking woman?

No idea, it's all Chinese to me





(Joke)

AnnaEsse wrote:

fedrules wrote:The McCanns gave the police a towel used by McCann to help the sniffer dogs follow Maddie's scent ?!! How weird and suspicious it that ?

There seem to have been lots of suspicious things happening that week. People were 'loitering,' around a holiday complex, there were Portuguese people there in that village and lots of folks in the area were.......making phone calls. Eeeeek!

Colonel Fabien wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

fedrules wrote:The McCanns gave the police a towel used by McCann to help the sniffer dogs follow Maddie's scent ?!! How weird and suspicious it that ?

There seem to have been lots of suspicious things happening that week. People were 'loitering,' around a holiday complex, there were Portuguese people there in that village and lots of folks in the area were.......making phone calls. Eeeeek!

Scary, isn't it? I sometimes see the same things going on in my town. Should I be worried?

Panda wrote:
Morning Tigger, another stretch of the imagination ....the McCanns can find a towel on 4th May with Madeleine's DNA, but have to go back to Rothley
to collect a pillowcase from heer bed???? I have said before now, Madeleine's room was untouched for months s
o why didn't LP go back to the McCanns house to pick up more items when the FSS tests proved inconclusive?