Re: Tanner and Murat knew each other?

**Panda** Fri 20 Jul - 17:58

jd16....." I didn’t have any, any great sort of suspicion about him on the night, in fact, he didn’t feature in any of our statements on the first or the second attempt, erm, I know Fiona and Rachael have much more vehement "

To be honest, I think these Statements from Professional, educated people are not worth trying to analyse, it's all err, uum , yeah. Tanner and Murat knew each other? - Page 2 25346

Tanner and Murat knew each other? - Page 2 25346

If Murat
didn't feature in the initial statements, was it Jane Tanner's statement which the other three wanted to back up. ?

jd16 Fri 20 Jul - 18:06

Panda wrote:
To be honest, I think these Statements from Professional, educated people are not worth trying to analyse, it's all err, uum , yeah. If Murat
didn't feature in the initial statements, was it Jane Tanner's statement which the other three wanted to back up. ?

Professional, educated people??? you know, erm, you know you know, err, umm Tanner and Murat knew each other? - Page 2 294124

What made me laugh was there is a version of the PJ files with all the 'you knows' taken out for easier reading!!!! Tanner and Murat knew each other? - Page 2 23324

Tanner and Murat knew each other? - Page 2 23324

Jane Tanner identified Robert Murat whilst sitting in the back of a police car with Bob Small (LPP) outside his house, even though she had stated she never saw the face of her mystery 'abductor man'! Then after this 3 other Tapas members suddenly remembered seeing him that night! The phrase "I wasn't born yesterday' comes to mind!!!

You have to question why none of the GNR, other holidaymakers etc saw Murat that night, only now the Tapas lot

marxman Fri 20 Jul - 18:07

Panda wrote:

jd16....." I didn’t have any, any great sort of suspicion about him on the night, in fact, he didn’t feature in any of our statements on the first or the second attempt, erm, I know Fiona and Rachael have much more vehement "

To be honest, I think these Statements from Professional, educated people are not worth trying to analyse, it's all err, uum , yeah. If Murat
didn't feature in the initial statements, was it Jane Tanner's statement which the other three wanted to back up. ?

Hi Panda, could it not be a case of needing to
know if your 'patsy' could be stitched up before
fingering him? Surely they would have needed
to know if Murat was 'available' for their plot.
This maybe the reason for the delay, just incase
he may have been out of town or otherwise.

Lillyofthevalley Fri 20 Jul - 18:38

T4two wrote:
jd16 wrote:
Panda wrote:
Why would Jane Tanner finger Murat if they were related? Hot only her, 3 others from the Tapas group.

This is one the biggest questions for me in this scam, why did they all turn and point the finger at Murat (its clear someone somewhere was trying to set him up). And why is SB still trying to do it 5 years on

But is SB trying to set Murat up? Does having a body buried under your drive automatically make you an abductor/murderer? Isn't that a bit too simple? By the way, if someone reported to the police that I had a body buried under my drive I cannot imagine the police not popping round to take a look. So why aren't they? And if that someone was giving interviews to the press about it, I do not think that I would announce that I was suing him for trespass but would definitely take a more serious view of it and act pretty quickly to shut him up and scotch whatever was going on. So, why isn't that happening?

This SB situation is very strange to say the least, why isn't anyone digging up the 2nd drive, just to prove once and for all that Maddy isn't there, my argument is what if SB is wrong with his Maddy was buried there the night of the 3rd May.....what if she was buried there 3-4weeks later after the drive/s had been checked out, and nobody was watching the Murats 2nd driveway? has SB been given a tip off, but just got the dates wrong?
Why dont they do a dig and then this saga could be sorted, and if SB was wasting police time, then both the Police and Murat could sue him them.

I suppose thats to simple for this case, we've never had simple with it have we......confusion is good, smoke and mirrors and the wider agenda all part of this ......far from simple case!!

**Panda** Fri 20 Jul - 19:02

marxman wrote:
Panda wrote:

jd16....." I didn’t have any, any great sort of suspicion about him on the night, in fact, he didn’t feature in any of our statements on the first or the second attempt, erm, I know Fiona and Rachael have much more vehement "

To be honest, I think these Statements from Professional, educated people are not worth trying to analyse, it's all err, uum , yeah. If Murat
didn't feature in the initial statements, was it Jane Tanner's statement which the other three wanted to back up. ?

Hi Panda, could it not be a case of needing to
know if your 'patsy' could be stitched up before
fingering him? Surely they would have needed
to know if Murat was 'available' for their plot.
This maybe the reason for the delay, just incase
he may have been out of town or otherwise.

To be honest marxman I don't know what the tapas group were thinking of , suggesting Murat was suspect. Jane Tanner had already said she saw someone carrying a child, description nothing like Murat!!!! This was the only lead the PJ had, the only reason I can think of for suggesting Murat could
be suspect is that the tapas 4 realised the Police did not believe Tanner so they invented Murat to try to prove an abduction did take place to protect
the McCanns.

**LJC** Sun 22 Jul - 23:20

jd16 wrote:
Panda wrote:
Hi jd16........I tend to think it was a panic reaction by the Tapas group . suggesting Murat was outside 5a on the night Madeleine disappeared. This
took the pressure off them at the time because they knew they all left their children alone every night., not just the McCanns. Whether they knew Murat before the holiday is debateable Gerry's reaction at the Airport when asked if he knew Murat was strange "no comment" suggests he did know him
possibly when Gerry was playing Golf in Portugal a few years before.

Hi Panda. Yes Gerry's reaction at the Airport when asked if he knew Murat was so strange.... "no comment" suggests he did know him...most definitely & without much doubt. Did he say it at the airport too? as he said it in a press conference as well when Sandra Felgueiras asked him this question (Sandra did many TV interviews with the mccanns and seemed to have exclusive access to them in Portugal)

Personally I think it was a lot more than a panic reaction by the Tapas 9, it smacks to me of a set up. for example, in Russell O'Brien's RI on 10th April 2008, he goes into some detail about Murat being there on the night

"Erm, and, erm, at this point, you know, there was, erm, you know, other conversations, you know, this is where I believe I had my first meeting and conversations with, with, with Robert MURAT, he’d helped break up a little bit of a, of a fracas between a couple of guests and the, and the Police, the couple of Police who were, who were there and were standing outside the apartment or just a little bit up from it, erm, and, erm, they weren’t, they weren’t visibly doing very much and I think a couple of the, either British ex-pats who live there or tourists, one of whom, they were both in kind of their fifties, if I remember rightly, they were getting quite, quite mouthy, they were quite, they had a very clear idea of what they thought that should be done and, erm, at one point they were, they were saying this quite loudly to, to, you know, a couple of members of the GNR whose English obviously wasn’t good enough to hear a, a shouted colloquial rant in English at them, erm, and I’ve a recollection of, of, of MURAT sort of saying, you know, ‘Hang on guys they can’t understand you’, you know, being actually very helpful and that is my recollection of him on the night, that he came across as concerned, like a lot of people, you know, said ‘I’ve got a daughter the same sort of age, this is terrible, this is terrible’, helping defuse the situation with, with the, erm, with the, erm, with a couple of members of the GNR. I had another conversation,.......

I mean, over, I’m not entirely sure what sort of timescale this is, I think my original statements said this was all around one am, but it’s all a little bit of a blur, erm, I had a few other conversations with him, erm, either round the back of the apartments, erm, I mean, he was saying that, you know, again, sort of console here, very consolatory kind of comments which were, which a lot of people were saying to anyone who they knew was part of the group, erm, and one thing he did make a mention of was, you know, it was something about Norfolk, which I believe is where he his, his, his wife and kid live and he said there was, you know, there was a case a few, a few years back, erm, of someone went missing and then they turned up, they may have turned up hundreds of miles away, but, you know, they were unharmed, they were safe. Again, you know, the kind of thing that most people were quite happy to, happy to hear and, you know, I didn’t have any, any great sort of suspicion about him on the night, in fact, he didn’t feature in any of our statements on the first or the second attempt, erm, I know Fiona and Rachael have much more vehement views on what he was like, they found him a little, you know, different, but, from my point of view, he was, he was just helping like a number of other individuals and, erm, and being fluent in Portuguese was, was obviously a big help on such a night. Erm, he also sort of gave the impression that he might have done some Police work before and, to be fair, I probably didn’t know at the time but now I don’t know whether he was referring to translation work that he’d done with the Portuguese Police here or whether he’d been involved in translating for, for Police in Britain, you know, in the opposite direction, but I’ve got this vague, vague now recollection of some kind of conversation on that, on that, erm, on that level. "

If you read all the GNR statements, they all say without exception that Robert Murat was never there!!!! Someone is lying heavily and I would trust the GNR over any Tapas member! The only person outside of the Tapas 9 who claimed murat was there on the night is the infamous Charlotte Pennington, who just happened to be on the same flight over and airport bus as some of the Tapas 9 on April 28th 2007!! She is another topic all together!

The way I read it all, they are intimating that Murat was there on that night; they keep saying on the night but night turns into day after midnight and if you read it according to this statement, its in the early hours of the following morning. The statement quoted above, in the second paragraph, says it was about 1am, so meaning it was the following day.

What Murat is claiming is that he was not there on that night, meaning before midnight? It looks like a clever play on words to me, but from whom?

We know that Murat helped the police in the hours that followed, but at what precise time?

Have any of the tapas ever given a statement whereby they state they saw Murat on the night i.e. before Madeleine was known to have disappeared and before the police were alerted?

I must say there is a strong resemblence I think between Murat and Tanner. Looking at their respective photographs I would say so, definitely. If anyone could put comparison photos up that would be great thanks (I don't know how to unfortunately).

jd16 Mon 23 Jul - 0:28

Murat has stated that he knew nothing until the next morning, the 4th May. Can't remember the exact time as he changed it, but it was after 8.30am the next morning. The Tapas 9 statements saying he was there during the night before is just simply a lie and a hoax

Bobsy Mon 23 Jul - 8:21

jd16 wrote:Murat has stated that he knew nothing until the next morning, the 4th May. Can't remember the exact time as he changed it, but it was after 8.30am the next morning. The Tapas 9 statements saying he was there during the night before is just simply a lie and a hoax

I find it difficult to understand how RM didn't know something was going on in and around 5A which is a spit from where he lived in Casa Liliana. There were sirens, groups of people and he didn't hear anything that would make him want to know what was going on in PdL.

Lillyofthevalley Mon 23 Jul - 8:47

If Murat is a relation of Tanner, and he's "in on it"!!! been paid nicely for having the finger pointed at him, knowing that they would never be anything to hold up against him, (Ive always thought that he is involved somehow, but nothing to do with what happened (death) to Maddy) then after it all "settles down" (them never realising it NEVER would settle down or how out of control it got with the Arguidos etc) paid for his time and any upset!! If you think about it, the only person you could trust with such "a secret" or needing their help,,, is a Relative!
How bad would it have looked if the ONLY Arguidos were the two neglecting Doctors, having Murat thrown in to the mix imo took the heat of the McCanns, aimho!!

We have Murat coming out within days saying he is going to sue Birch..................

5 Years on we have never had Murat sue anyone apart the the UK Papers, nothing about the Tapas friends and the McCanns only Tanner, and we all know that aint going to happen because imo if it was, it would have happened years ago. Tanner and Murat knew each other? - Page 2 29204

Tanner and Murat knew each other? - Page 2 29204

Lillyofthevalley Mon 23 Jul - 8:53

Bobsy wrote:
jd16 wrote:Murat has stated that he knew nothing until the next morning, the 4th May. Can't remember the exact time as he changed it, but it was after 8.30am the next morning. The Tapas 9 statements saying he was there during the night before is just simply a lie and a hoax

I find it difficult to understand how RM didn't know something was going on in and around 5A which is a spit from where he lived in Casa Liliana. There were sirens, groups of people and he didn't hear anything that would make him want to know what was going on in PdL.

From the interview Murat gave in the UK he said he was sat in the Kitchen with his Mother, now if that Kitchen is at the back of the House then he wouldn't have seen any groups of people......and do we know for definate that the sirens were going off, I'm sure there would have been alot of Police cars about, but Murat would know that either if he is sat at the back of the House at Casa Liliana.

Bobsy Mon 23 Jul - 9:10

Lillyofthevalley wrote:
Bobsy wrote:
jd16 wrote:Murat has stated that he knew nothing until the next morning, the 4th May. Can't remember the exact time as he changed it, but it was after 8.30am the next morning. The Tapas 9 statements saying he was there during the night before is just simply a lie and a hoax

I find it difficult to understand how RM didn't know something was going on in and around 5A which is a spit from where he lived in Casa Liliana. There were sirens, groups of people and he didn't hear anything that would make him want to know what was going on in PdL.

From the interview Murat gave in the UK he said he was sat in the Kitchen with his Mother, now if that Kitchen is at the back of the House then he wouldn't have seen any groups of people......and do we know for definate that the sirens were going off, I'm sure there would have been alot of Police cars about, but Murat would know that either if he is sat at the back of the House at Casa Liliana.

I don't know where their kitchen is, though there was once a floor plan of Casa Liliana on line. Yes he was sat in the kitchen enjoying a ham sandwich but then he would go to bed/bathroom. I just find it odd that he didn't hear anything, but eh, just me, no sweat Tanner and Murat knew each other? - Page 2 Icon_flower

Guest Mon 23 Jul - 9:18

Here is a link to a plan of the ground floor.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/casaliliana.jpg

**Panda** Mon 23 Jul - 9:26

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Here is a link to a plan of the ground floor.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/casaliliana.jpg

Thanks NBY, only 1 Bedroom ? Do me a favour, see if you can find the photo of Murat and Payne.......I.m sure Murat looked more like Payne than Tanner.

Bobsy Mon 23 Jul - 9:27

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Here is a link to a plan of the ground floor.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/casaliliana.jpg

Thank you NBY. Difficult as don't know where the road is in relation to the this kitchen, anyway good to refresh the brain with a layout.

Guest Mon 23 Jul - 9:37

Panda, I'm assuming there's a first floor too with more bedrooms. Here's a link to some photos of Dr Payne and Robert Murat; I like the one near the end where they metamorphose into each other!

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PAYNEMURAT.htm

**Panda** Mon 23 Jul - 10:05

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Panda, I'm assuming there's a first floor too with more bedrooms. Here's a link to some photos of Dr Payne and Robert Murat; I like the one near the end where they metamorphose into each other!

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PAYNEMURAT.htm

never thought of another Floor....go back to bed Panda.! Thanks for the link, see , I do have a good memory,......why is there a suggestion that Tanner and Murat look alike?

**Panda** Mon 23 Jul - 10:25

LJC observed the time the Tapas 3 supposedly saw Murat has not been established. Iv'e just tried to calculate and worked backwards.

1. Kate announces Madeleine has disappeared at 10pm, Oldfield phones the Police at 10.41am, The OC call for Batista to come to help.

2. At approx. 11pm Silvia Batista arrives at 5a and is horrified to see the Tapas group there destroying any potential evidence of an Abductor. The
twins and their cots were moved to the Paynes Apartment where the McCanns stay until another apartment can be found the following morning. I
think it was O'Brien and Oldfield who searched together, Gerry and Payne arranging the photographs printed from a borrowed camera. Jane and Rachel
would have been back in their own Apartments looking after their offspring.

When exactly were O'Brien, Rachel and Fiona all together?

Guest Mon 23 Jul - 12:39

Panda, there has been a recent topic that Jane Tanner and Robert Murat might be related and someone thought that they look alike. I can't see any resemblance whatever myself but then I have the same problem with photos which are supposedly all of Madeleine!

**Panda** Mon 23 Jul - 13:29

Not Born Yesterday wrote:Panda, there has been a recent topic that Jane Tanner and Robert Murat might be related and someone thought that they look alike. I can't see any resemblance whatever myself but then I have the same problem with photos which are supposedly all of Madeleine!

I don't think there is any likeness at all between Tanner and Murat and still ccan't understand why or how Rachel and Fiona tried to implicate him . even
O'Brien said he couldn't verify it but the Females were determined. There is a question mark over why Gerry said "no comment" when asked at the
Airport whether he knew Murat ......which suggests that he did. However, this was when he arrived in the U.K. after being made an arguido and he
would have known about the 3 Tapas and Jane trying to implicate Murat and did not want to get involved.

**wjk** Mon 23 Jul - 13:48

It wasn't at the airport that Gerry was asked about Murat. It was a Q&A with the press in PDL
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id170.html

Scroll down to 22nd May
This is what is said..

Sandra Felgueiras (RTP): "But did you know Robert Murat?"

Gerry: "I'm not going to comment on that." (coughs)

Guest Mon 23 Jul - 13:56

A brief clip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRpKThIO5HA - of the comment.

What a pompous idiot Gerry appears to be!

**Panda** Mon 23 Jul - 14:20

wjk wrote:It wasn't at the airport that Gerry was asked about Murat. It was a Q&A with the press in PDL
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id170.html

Scroll down to 22nd May
This is what is said..

Sandra Felgueiras (RTP): "But did you know Robert Murat?"

Gerry: "I'm not going to comment on that." (coughs)

Hi wjk, I'm pretty sure he was asked at the U.K. Airport by someone from the U.K Press and just said "no Comment " maybe when they were leaving Portugal some time in September.? As I said, probably it was to do with the Tapas 3 having implicated Murat. No news on a Trial Date so maybe Murat has dropped the case or it was settled out of Court.

**wjk** Mon 23 Jul - 14:37

Not Born Yesterday wrote:A brief clip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRpKThIO5HA - of the comment.

What a pompous idiot Gerry appears to be!

Thanks NBY Tanner and Murat knew each other? - Page 2 Icon_flower

Thats the only one I remember, Panda. No airport one but I could of missed it?

**Panda** Mon 23 Jul - 14:53

wjk wrote:
Not Born Yesterday wrote:A brief clip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRpKThIO5HA - of the comment.

What a pompous idiot Gerry appears to be!
Thanks NBY
Thats the only one I remember, Panda. No airport one but I could of missed it?

Thanks NBY, wjk......it's not that important , Gerry obviously didn't like that question. Sandra interviewed them a few times and never pulled her punches, I wondered why the McCanns kept letting her interview them. Tanner and Murat knew each other? - Page 2 294124

chrissie1 Mon 23 Jul - 17:38

I think they picked out Murat because the social worker yvonne whats her name, remembered David Payne

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