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HAMAS MISSILE HAS STRUCK NEAR JERUSALEM,THING MIGHT HEAT UP IF A MISSILE HITS JERUSALEM

Panda wrote:Police are interested in an alleged 90-minute gap when they believe Mrs McCann was alone with her children in the holiday apartment"

I assume this is the 5.30pm til 7pm while Gerry was playing Tennis. He asked David Payne to find out if Kate wanted to bring the children down to the Court. David said he was in 5a for 30 minutes, Kate says 3 minutes. If anything had happened to Madeleine during that period I doubt Kate could have acted normally.

Here is the problem.....how could Kate take 3 children to the Court without a Buggy???

WHATS THIS GOT TO DO WITH ABOVE SUBJECT

Badboy wrote:

Panda wrote:Police are interested in an alleged 90-minute gap when they believe Mrs McCann was alone with her children in the holiday apartment"

I assume this is the 5.30pm til 7pm while Gerry was playing Tennis. He asked David Payne to find out if Kate wanted to bring the children down to the Court. David said he was in 5a for 30 minutes, Kate says 3 minutes. If anything had happened to Madeleine during that period I doubt Kate could have acted normally.

Here is the problem.....how could Kate take 3 children to the Court without a Buggy???

WHATS THIS GOT TO DO WITH ABOVE SUBJECT

Sorry Badboy, I wondered where my post had got to, Iv'e edited but can't delete.

Eight People Reported Dead In Gaza Airstrikes


Israeli airstrikes kill eight and pound Hamas government buildings in Gaza as Israel's military calls up 75,000 reservists.


9:24am UK, Saturday 17 November 2012



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Israel has carried out 180 airstrikes on Gaza City, reportedly killing eight people and targeting the Hamas government headquarters.

Medics have told news agency AFP that the eight people died in central and southern Gaza and 30 were injured in the latest strikes.

An aerial attack on Rafah on southern Gaza killed four people on Saturday, Palestinian medics said, while other strikes elsewhere in the city killed another four people.

The latest deaths raised the overall death toll in Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip to 38, as both sides continued to hurl missiles at each other.

Three Israelis have been killed in the recent violence. Four soldiers were also hurt in rocket fire along the southern flank of Israel's border with Gaza, the army said on Saturday.
A destroyed mosque in Gaza City
Israel stepped up its air assault in retaliation to an unprecedented rocket strike aimed at Jerusalem.

Israel's military also called up 75,000 reservists, raising speculation of a ground invasion.

Despite the violence, Tunisia's foreign minister arrived in the coastal enclave early Saturday in a show of Arab solidarity, heading to a hospital to visit the wounded.

The headquarters of the Hamas government, a police compound, a mosque and a vast network of smuggling tunnels were all bombed in overnight airstrikes.

"The cabinet headquarters was targeted with four strikes and the government stresses that it remains committed to its positions and its stand alongside the people," the Hamas government said in a statement.

Israeli aircraft also kept pounding their original targets, the militants' weapons storage facilities and underground rocket launching sites.

Rocket fire by militants into Israel resumed after dawn following a relative lull overnight, but the number was still lower than on the previous three days since the start of the offensive, an Israeli military spokesman said.
Israeli airstrikes on a police station in Gaza City
Since the start of its operation, Israel's army says militants have fired more than 580 rockets over the border, 367 of which hit southern Israel, and 222 of which were intercepted by the Iron Dome anti-missile system.

Israeli leaders have threatened to widen Operation Pillar of Defence if the rocket fire from the Gaza Strip does not halt.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said options included the possible assassination of Hamas' prime minister Ismail Haniyeh and other top leaders.

"Every time that Hamas fires there will be a more and more severe response," he told Israel's Channel 2 TV.

US President Barack Obama has reiterated his country's support for Israel's right to defend itself against rocket attacks from militants in the Gaza Strip.

In a phone call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Mr Obama also expressed his regret over the loss of Israeli and Palestinian civilian lives, the White House said.
Israeli soldiers near the border with the Gaza Strip
During the call, Mr Netanyahu expressed his "deep appreciation to the President and the American people for the United States' investment in the Iron Dome rocket and mortar defence system, which has effectively defeated hundreds of incoming rockets from Gaza and saved countless Israeli lives".

The two leaders also discussed options for de-escalating the situation.

Mr Obama also spoke to Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi and praised his country's efforts to ease tensions in the region.

On Friday morning, Gaza's Hamas prime minister and a slew of other government officials lined up in front of the cabinet building to welcome Egypt's Prime Minister Hisham Kandil, on a brief trip.

A ceasefire had been declared during Mr Kandil's visit - officially to show solidarity with the Palestinian people - but lasted just three hours.

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Sirens are sounding in Tel Aviv following an explosion, a day after a rocket crashed into the sea off the Israeli city.

The sirens sent people running for cover as TV images showed the Iron Dome anti-missile system firing on an incoming rocket, hitting it in mid-air according to the Israeli military.

The Israeli ambulance service said there were no casualties.

The armed wing of Hamas said it had fired a long-range Fajr-5 rocket at the city.
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Earlier on Saturday, four rockets hit the southern city of Ashdod.

Israel's military said on Twitter: "4 rockets fired from #Gaza struck Ashdod: 1 on a house, 1 on a car, 1 near a kindergarten & 1 in an open area."

No-one was killed in the attack.

Hamas deputy foreign minister Ghazi Hamad said there would be no solution to the conflict until Israel stopped military operations in Gaza.

He told Sky News: "We want to achieve cease fire and truce but first we want Israel to stop its aggression against our people.
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"If Gaza is not safe also Tel Aviv will not be safe."

Israel's ambassador to the UK, Daniel Taub, said: "I don't think it is tit for tat. Israel is doing what any responsible state will do.

"No country would like its citizens to sit in bomb shelters while rockets rain down on them.

"Clearly we are very concerned and we don't want an escalation of the situation."
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It comes after Arab ministers gave their backing on Saturday to Egyptian efforts to secure a truce that would end the conflict, according to a statement after an Arab League meeting in Cairo.

It said Arab foreign ministers would form a delegation to travel to the Palestinian enclave in a show of support.

Before Saturday's rocket attacks, Israel carried out nearly 200 airstrikes on Gaza City overnight

The strikes hit targets in the territory including the Hamas Prime Minister's office, a police compound and a vast network of smuggling tunnels.
A house near Ashdod in Israel damaged by a rocket fired from Gaza
Israeli aircraft also kept pounding their original targets, the militants' weapons storage facilities and underground rocket launching sites.

Rocket fire by Palestinian militants into Israel resumed after dawn following a relative lull overnight.

Medics told news agency AFP that eight people died in central and southern Gaza and 30 were injured in the latest strikes.

The latest deaths raised the overall death toll in Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip to 42, as both sides continued to hurl missiles at each other.

Three Israelis have been killed in the recent violence. Four soldiers were also hurt in rocket fire along the southern flank of Israel's border with Gaza, the army said on Saturday.

Israel stepped up its air assault in retaliation to an unprecedented rocket strike aimed at Jerusalem.

Israel's military also called up 75,000 reservists, raising speculation of a ground invasion.

Despite the violence, Tunisia's foreign minister Rafik Abdessalem arrived in the coastal enclave early Saturday in a show of Arab solidarity, heading to a hospital to visit the wounded.

Mr Abdessalem called on the world to help stop Israel's "blatant aggression", and said the Arab League should act as it gathers for talks in Cairo.

Since the start of its operation, Israel's army says militants have fired more than 640 rockets over the border, 410 of which hit Israel, and 230 of which were intercepted by the Iron Dome anti-missile system.

Israeli leaders have threatened to widen Operation Pillar of Defence if the rocket fire from the Gaza Strip does not halt.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said options included the possible assassination of Hamas' Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh and other top leaders.

"Every time that Hamas fires there will be a more and more severe response," he told Israel's Channel 2 TV.

US President Barack Obama has reiterated his country's support for Israel's right to defend itself against rocket attacks from militants in the Gaza Strip.

In a phone call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Mr Obama also expressed his regret over the loss of Israeli and Palestinian civilian lives, the White House said.

The fighting in Gaza escalated on Wednesday when Israel killed Hamas's military chief in an airstrike.

Gaza Conflict: Toddler Killed In Airstrike


A boy is killed as Israel bombs Gaza City from the air and sea, as Palestinian militants resume firing rockets into Israel.


8:27am UK, Sunday 18 November 2012



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A toddler has been killed and his two brothers wounded in the latest Israeli airstrike on Gaza, emergency services said.

The 18-month-old Palestinian boy died in a strike east of the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza, spokesman Adham Abu Selmiya told the AFP news agency.

Health ministry spokesman Ashraf al Qudra said the two wounded boys, aged four and five, were "in critical condition".

The bombardment of Gaza by Israel entered a new phase overnight, with Israel shelling the Palestinian territory from the sea, as well as continuing its airstrikes.

The latest bombings come as Egypt's President suggested that there could be a ceasefire soon - and a Palestinian official said this morning that a truce is possible "today or tomorrow".
A media centre in Gaza was targeted in the airstrikes
Mr Morsi said: "There are now intensive efforts through communication channels with the Palestinian side and with the Israeli side and there are now some indications that there is possibility of a ceasefire soon between the two sides."

Forty-eight Palestinians, about half of them civilians, including 13 children, have now been killed in Israel's raids, Palestinian officials said.

Militants in Gaza resumed firing rockets into Israel this morning, with at least one landing in Ashkelon in southern Israel.

More than 500 rockets fired from Gaza have hit Israel since the recent violence flared on Wednesday, killing three people and injuring dozens.

Two buildings housing local Arab media in Gaza were among the targets in the latest airstrikes.
Egypt's president Mohamed Morsi had suggested a ceasefire was close
Among the buildings hit was a media centre housing the offices of al Quds TV, often a voicepiece for Hamas. Three journalists were wounded.

Both buildings also contained offices used by foreign journalists, including Sky News.

"I think that this demonstrates just how dangerous and complex with aerial bombardment is," said Sky's Sam Kiley.

Two other pre-dawn attacks on houses in the Jebalya refugee camp killed one child and wounded 12 other people, medical officials said.

These attacks followed a defiant statement by Hamas military spokesman Abu Ubaida.

"This round of confrontation will not be the last against the Zionist enemy and it is only the beginning."
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The masked gunman dressed in military fatigues insisted that despite Israel's blows Hamas "is still strong enough to destroy the enemy".

On Saturday Israeli aircraft bombed Hamas government buildings in Gaza, including the offices of Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh and a police headquarters.

Israel has said it will keep schools in its southern region closed as a precaution to avoid casualties from rocket strikes, which have reached as far as Tel Aviv and Jerusalem in the past few days.

Israel unleashed its massive air campaign on Wednesday, killing a leading militant of the Hamas Islamist group that controls Gaza and rejects Israel's existence.

Israel says it is trying to stop militants in the coastal enclave from launching rockets that have plagued its southern communities for years.

The Jewish state has since launched more than 950 air strikes since Wednesday

Gaza: Israel Denies Strikes Targeted Media


An Israeli spokeswoman claims foreign journalists were used as human shields by Hamas, after attacks on two media centres in Gaza.


3:32pm UK, Sunday 18 November 2012



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Middle East Correspondent Sam Kiley was in Sky's Gaza offices when it was hit by an Israeli air strike.

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  "The media building was taken by Hamas to be used as human shields - we see this time after time, year after year," she told Sky News.
  
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  The Foreign Press Association issued a statement saying it was "concerned" by the attacks, adding that both buildings house or have been used by members of the association.
  
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On the News just now, a Palestinian father was at the bedside of his young Son who is seriously ill with most of his face covered in a dressing from wounds sustained from an Israeli strike. His father was distraught and it really was a touching scene . The Israelis have done tremendous damage to Palestine , bombing the roof top aerials to prevent any radio or T.V reporting, they have anti missiles which intercept the Palestinian rockets before they get near to Israel , the damage to the infrastructure of Gaza is great and Israel has many tanks standing by ready to invade.

It really is a David and Goliath situation and although World Leaders are urging restraint, Israel is taking no notice. William Hague has said if Israel invades Palestine the U.N. will take action.

The way things are going the Middle East will be bombed to smithereens , they are poor enough as it is.

Panda wrote:On the News just now, a Palestinian father was at the bedside of his young Son who is seriously ill with most of his face covered in a dressing from wounds sustained from an Israeli strike. His father was distraught and it really was a touching scene . The Israelis have done tremendous damage to Palestine , bombing the roof top aerials to prevent any radio or T.V reporting, they have anti missiles which intercept the Palestinian rockets before they get near to Israel , the damage to the infrastructure of Gaza is great and Israel has many tanks standing by ready to invade.

It really is a David and Goliath situation and although World Leaders are urging restraint, Israel is taking no notice. William Hague has said if Israel invades Palestine the U.N. will take action.

The way things are going the Middle East will be bombed to smithereens , they are poor enough as it is.

The answer to stopping the Israeli retaliation is don't attack them and give them a reason to strike back.....

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:On the News just now, a Palestinian father was at the bedside of his young Son who is seriously ill with most of his face covered in a dressing from wounds sustained from an Israeli strike. His father was distraught and it really was a touching scene . The Israelis have done tremendous damage to Palestine , bombing the roof top aerials to prevent any radio or T.V reporting, they have anti missiles which intercept the Palestinian rockets before they get near to Israel , the damage to the infrastructure of Gaza is great and Israel has many tanks standing by ready to invade.

It really is a David and Goliath situation and although World Leaders are urging restraint, Israel is taking no notice. William Hague has said if Israel invades Palestine the U.N. will take action.

The way things are going the Middle East will be bombed to smithereens , they are poor enough as it is.

The answer to stopping the Israeli retaliation is don't attack them and give them a reason to strike back.....

You and I disagree on this one malena, the Israelis have encroached so much on more Palestinian land , built high walls dividing Palestinian families, have had unlimited financial help from the U.S. and worst of all , the Country is mostly made up of immigrants from other Countries who have no real feeling of heritage. On a smaller scale it is like Northern and Southern Island and the religious conflict still going on after all these years.

A Twitter Blitzkrieg

Gerry Shih of Reuters writes:

There have long been the tools of warfare associated with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict: warplanes, mortars, Qassam rockets. Now that list includes Twitter, Facebook, YouTube.

This week the worldwide audience got a vivid look at conflict in the social media era as the Israeli military unfurled an extensive campaign across several Internet channels after conducting an air strike that killed a top Hamas military commander in the Gaza Strip on Wednesday.

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the newest technologies, including Twitter and YouTube, have been embraced particularly by the Israeli government, which has perhaps waged an unprecedented social media PR campaign as the conflict escalated this week.

The Israel Defense Force (IDF) has established a presence on nearly every platform available. It launched a Tumblr account Wednesday, posting infographics touting how Israeli forces minimize collateral damage to Palestinian civilians. It prepared Facebook pages in several languages, and even has a bare-bones Pinterest page with photos of troops deployed in humanitarian missions.

On Twitter, the @IDFspokesperson account issued a torrent of tweets that carried hashtags like #IsraelUnderFire and what it said were videos of rockets fired at Israel from Gaza, as well as pictures of wounded Israeli children.

"They are very conscious how things are going to be viewed, perhaps more so because they sense that they are more and more isolated in world opinion, and they are less shouldered by U.S. public opinion," said James Noyes, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution.

The IDF also posted on Twitter a picture of Ahmed Al-Jaabari, the Hamas commander who was killed, with the word "eliminated" stamped over his face.

Max Fisher of The Washington Post questions “Why is Isreal Tweeting Airstrikes?”

Panda wrote:

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:On the News just now, a Palestinian father was at the bedside of his young Son who is seriously ill with most of his face covered in a dressing from wounds sustained from an Israeli strike. His father was distraught and it really was a touching scene . The Israelis have done tremendous damage to Palestine , bombing the roof top aerials to prevent any radio or T.V reporting, they have anti missiles which intercept the Palestinian rockets before they get near to Israel , the damage to the infrastructure of Gaza is great and Israel has many tanks standing by ready to invade.

It really is a David and Goliath situation and although World Leaders are urging restraint, Israel is taking no notice. William Hague has said if Israel invades Palestine the U.N. will take action.

The way things are going the Middle East will be bombed to smithereens , they are poor enough as it is.

The answer to stopping the Israeli retaliation is don't attack them and give them a reason to strike back.....

You and I disagree on this one malena, the Israelis have encroached so much on more Palestinian land , built high walls dividing Palestinian families, have had unlimited financial help from the U.S. and worst of all , the Country is mostly made up of immigrants from other Countries who have no real feeling of heritage. On a smaller scale it is like Northern and Southern Island and the religious conflict still going on after all these years.

Morning Panda, I don't see that we differ in views, other than in the methods adopted by the Palestinians. Vast amounts of money have been invested in the area from all corners of the world. I am led to believe that Israel also has donated towards developing Palestinian settlements, (although I may be wrong in this belief). The real truth is that Gaza and its inhabitants are being used by Arab nations to intimidate Israel as was the Lebanon a few years back. If a fraction of the money spent on arms were to be directed at promoting a harmonious relationship with Israel, the squalor of Palestinian refugee camps we see regularly on our TV sets would be non-existent.

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:

malena stool wrote:

Panda wrote:On the News just now, a Palestinian father was at the bedside of his young Son who is seriously ill with most of his face covered in a dressing from wounds sustained from an Israeli strike. His father was distraught and it really was a touching scene . The Israelis have done tremendous damage to Palestine , bombing the roof top aerials to prevent any radio or T.V reporting, they have anti missiles which intercept the Palestinian rockets before they get near to Israel , the damage to the infrastructure of Gaza is great and Israel has many tanks standing by ready to invade.

It really is a David and Goliath situation and although World Leaders are urging restraint, Israel is taking no notice. William Hague has said if Israel invades Palestine the U.N. will take action.

The way things are going the Middle East will be bombed to smithereens , they are poor enough as it is.

The answer to stopping the Israeli retaliation is don't attack them and give them a reason to strike back.....

You and I disagree on this one malena, the Israelis have encroached so much on more Palestinian land , built high walls dividing Palestinian families, have had unlimited financial help from the U.S. and worst of all , the Country is mostly made up of immigrants from other Countries who have no real feeling of heritage. On a smaller scale it is like Northern and Southern Island and the religious conflict still going on after all these years.

Morning Panda, I don't see that we differ in views, other than in the methods adopted by the Palestinians. Vast amounts of money have been invested in the area from all corners of the world. I am led to believe that Israel also has donated towards developing Palestinian settlements, (although I may be wrong in this belief). The real truth is that Gaza and its inhabitants are being used by Arab nations to intimidate Israel as was the Lebanon a few years back. If a fraction of the money spent on arms were to be directed at promoting a harmonious relationship with Israel, the squalor of Palestinian refugee camps we see regularly on our TV sets would be non-existent.

The Covenant of the Hamas

(Extracts)

On the destruction of Israel:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (Preamble)

Condemnation of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty:

"Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle. ...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act." (Article 32)

Anti-Semitic incitement:

The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)


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   Gaza: death toll mounts as Ban Ki-moon arrives in Cairo for ceasefire talks
   

The Palestinian death toll continued to mount as Israel struck densely populated areas in Gaza in its campaign to quell militant rocket fire.








A Palestinian woman is helped after being injured during an Israeli forces strike on a sports field next to her house in Gaza City Photo: AP Photo/Bernat Armangue





7:42AM GMT 19 Nov 2012




Israeli air strikes across the Gaza Strip killed 10 people early on Monday, raising the Palestinian death toll to 87 as Israel's relentless air campaign entered its sixth day.


The latest to die were Ibrahim al-Astal and Obama al-Astal, two farmers who were killed in a strike in Qarara, east of Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip.


Shortly before that, three people were killed in a strike on a car in Deir al-Balah in central Gaza, all of them from the same family: Amir Bashir, Tamal Bashir and Salah Bashir, Qudra said.


In Gaza City, two women and a child were among four killed in a strike on the Zeitun neighbourhood – Nisma Abu Zorr, 23, Mohammed Abu Zorr, 5, Saha Abu Zorr, 20 and Ahid al-Qatati 35.


Medics said another man had been found dead in the northern town of Beit Lahiya, naming him as Abdel Rahman al-Atar, a 50-year-old farmer.



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  Palestinian family killed in Israeli airstrike in Gaza
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  Obama: Israel has the right to defend itself
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^{An explosion after an Israeli air strike on Gaza City (Reuters)}

Israel's decision to step up targeted attacks on leaders in Gaza on Sunday marked a new and risky phase of the operation, given the likelihood of civilian casualties in the crowded territory of 1.6 million Palestinians. The rising civilian toll was likely to intensify pressure on Israel to end the fighting. Hundreds of civilian casualties in an Israeli offensive in Gaza four years ago led to fierce international condemnation of Israel.

Ban Ki-moon, the UN secretary general, is due to arrive in Cairo on Monday to weigh in on ceasefire efforts led by Egypt, which borders Israel and Gaza. Israeli media also said a delegation had been sent from Israel to Cairo, though a spokesman for Benjamin Netanyahu declined to comment.

^{Palestinians flee their homes after an Israeli forces strike on nearby a sports field in Gaza City(AP)}

Israel launched the current offensive Wednesday after months of intensifying rocket fire from the Gaza Strip, which continued despite the strikes. Overnight, the military said, aircraft targeted about 80 militant sites, including underground rocket-launching sites, smuggling tunnels and training bases, as well as command posts and weapons storage facilities located in buildings owned by militant commanders, the military said in a release. Aircraft and gunboats joined forces to attack police headquarters, and rocket squads were struck as they prepared to fire, the release said.

In all, 1,350 targets have been struck since the operation began on Wednesday.

International efforts to wrest a ceasefire from the two sides has picked up steam despite the escalated hostilities. The two sides have put forth widely divergent demands, but the failure to end the fighting could touch off an Israeli ground invasion, for which thousands of soldiers, backed by tanks and armoured vehicles, have already been mobilised and dispatched to Gaza's border.

President Barack Obama said he was in touch with players across the region in hopes of halting the fighting. While defending Israel's right to defend itself against the rocket fire, he also warned of the risks the Jewish state would take if it were to expand its air assault into a ground war.

"If we see a further escalation of the situation in Gaza, the likelihood of us getting back on any kind of peace track that leads to a two-state solution is going to be pushed off way into the future," Obama said.

Two little items of interest. This is from Reuters, I saw it earlier on one of the posts here but couldn't find it again. The Post is not about Isreadl but Reuters reported that Israel is using twitter, facebook and another internet chat show to promote it's cause. !!!! Even a U.S. senator has asked why???

On the News earlier, the Israeli Defence Minister was being interviewed and confirmed that Israell is ready to invade Palestine and has tanks and troops at the ready. The interviewer asked him if Palestine agreed to a ceasefire would Israel open up the route from other Countries to Palestine which it closed a long time ago . the Minister said Palestine could use Egypt !!!

There has been 50 Palestinian deaths and 3 Israeli so far....as I said, David and Goliath. President Obama says the U.S. would stand by Israel, their eyes and ears in the Middle East.

Panda wrote:Two little items of interest. This is from Reuters, I saw it earlier on one of the posts here but couldn't find it again. The Post is not about Isreadl but Reuters reported that Israel is using twitter, facebook and another internet chat show to promote it's cause. !!!! Even a U.S. senator has asked why???

On the News earlier, the Israeli Defence Minister was being interviewed and confirmed that Israell is ready to invade Palestine and has tanks and troops at the ready. The interviewer asked him if Palestine agreed to a ceasefire would Israel open up the route from other Countries to Palestine which it closed a long time ago . the Minister said Palestine could use Egypt !!!

There has been 50 Palestinian deaths and 3 Israeli so far....as I said, David and Goliath. President Obama says the U.S. would stand by Israel, their eyes and ears in the Middle East.

Panda, it's difficult to see how there can be lasting peace when the expressed aim of Hamas is to obliterate Israel. Also, the number of deaths in Gaza must be in doubt when some of the photos being shown are actually Syria and the BBC is showing a photo of a beach in Tel Aviv and claiming it to be Gaza City.

ETA:

Jon Donnison ‏@JonDonnison
A photo I retweeted from another journo yesterday showing children injured was NOT in Gaza as I said but apparently from Syria. Apologies.

Tal Ofer ‏@TalOfer
16 Trucks of #medical supplies were transferred from #Israel into #Gaza during Operation #PillarofDefense

Tal Ofer ‏@TalOfer
26 patients in need of medical care entered #Israel from #Gaza during Operation #PillarofDefense

Tal Ofer ‏@TalOfer
64 Trucks of food were transferred from #Israel into #Gaza during Operation #PillarOfDefense

AnnaEsse wrote:Tal Ofer ‏@TalOfer
16 Trucks of #medical supplies were transferred from #Israel into #Gaza during Operation #PillarofDefense

Tal Ofer ‏@TalOfer
26 patients in need of medical care entered #Israel from #Gaza during Operation #PillarofDefense

Tal Ofer ‏@TalOfer
64 Trucks of food were transferred from #Israel into #Gaza during Operation #PillarOfDefense

Who is this Tal Ofer, an Israeli report?

You only have to look at the intrastructure of Palestine on sky News to see the damage.

Panda wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:Tal Ofer ‏@TalOfer
16 Trucks of #medical supplies were transferred from #Israel into #Gaza during Operation #PillarofDefense

Tal Ofer ‏@TalOfer
26 patients in need of medical care entered #Israel from #Gaza during Operation #PillarofDefense

Tal Ofer ‏@TalOfer
64 Trucks of food were transferred from #Israel into #Gaza during Operation #PillarOfDefense

Who is this Tal Ofer, an Israeli report?

You only have to look at the intrastructure of Palestine on sky News to see the damage.

Rockets are being fired from that infrastructure. They're from bunkers in civilian areas. Perhaps those supplying the rockets and placing in those areas could have spent some money on shelters for the Palestinian people. Why are there no shelters? Why fire rockets daily and expect no response?

AnnaEsse wrote:

Panda wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:Tal Ofer ‏@TalOfer
16 Trucks of #medical supplies were transferred from #Israel into #Gaza during Operation #PillarofDefense

Tal Ofer ‏@TalOfer
26 patients in need of medical care entered #Israel from #Gaza during Operation #PillarofDefense

Tal Ofer ‏@TalOfer
64 Trucks of food were transferred from #Israel into #Gaza during Operation #PillarOfDefense

Who is this Tal Ofer, an Israeli report?

You only have to look at the intrastructure of Palestine on sky News to see the damage.

Rockets are being fired from that infrastructure. They're from bunkers in civilian areas. Perhaps those supplying the rockets and placing in those areas could have spent some money on shelters for the Palestinian people. Why are there no

shelters? Why fire rockets daily and expect no response?

I suspect Palestine can 't afford to build shelters and this dispute was created by the death of the Hamas Leader from an Israeli missile,

Just read this on twitter:

http://order-order.com/2012/11/19/gazas-aqua-park-has-been-destroyed/

The Crazy Water Park, which was at the heart of Gaza’s vibrant tourist scene, has been destroyed by fire. Gazans used to be able to swim and relax by the pools and there were water slides for the young children. It was a happy place once but the Middle East News Watch reports:

“40 gunmen tied up and blindfolded a nightwatchman before setting fire to an administrative building and restaurant. The fire engulfed different parts of the club, including an administrative building, and then spread to the main restaurant and cafeteria, which is three storeys high.”

No, this was not the repressive IDF attacking the strip, it was Hamas militants who were outraged that the park had “hosted parties in which men and women mingled.” Nice bunch.


ETA: Just been informed that the above is a story from 2010!!

chrissie wrote:Just read this on twitter:

http://order-order.com/2012/11/19/gazas-aqua-park-has-been-destroyed/

The Crazy Water Park, which was at the heart of Gaza’s vibrant tourist scene, has been destroyed by fire. Gazans used to be able to swim and relax by the pools and there were water slides for the young children. It was a happy place once but the Middle East News Watch reports:

“40 gunmen tied up and blindfolded a nightwatchman before setting fire to an administrative building and restaurant. The fire engulfed different parts of the club, including an administrative building, and then spread to the main restaurant and cafeteria, which is three storeys high.”

No, this was not the repressive IDF attacking the strip, it was Hamas militants who were outraged that the park had “hosted parties in which men and women mingled.” Nice bunch.

Morning chrissie, trouble is we are getting so much information it is hard to tell what is true and what is not., especially as Isreal is using twitter, facebook and what's the other one called? to promote their innocence. Isn't it odd that the Park has suddenly been destroyed NOW while Isreal are targetting various parts of Gaza? It must have been going for a long time so why would it be destroyed by Hamas at this particular time???

Panda wrote:

chrissie wrote:Just read this on twitter:

http://order-order.com/2012/11/19/gazas-aqua-park-has-been-destroyed/

The Crazy Water Park, which was at the heart of Gaza’s vibrant tourist scene, has been destroyed by fire. Gazans used to be able to swim and relax by the pools and there were water slides for the young children. It was a happy place once but the Middle East News Watch reports:

“40 gunmen tied up and blindfolded a nightwatchman before setting fire to an administrative building and restaurant. The fire engulfed different parts of the club, including an administrative building, and then spread to the main restaurant and cafeteria, which is three storeys high.”

No, this was not the repressive IDF attacking the strip, it was Hamas militants who were outraged that the park had “hosted parties in which men and women mingled.” Nice bunch.

Morning chrissie, trouble is we are getting so much information it is hard to tell what is true and what is not., especially as Isreal is using twitter, facebook and what's the other one called? to promote their innocence. Isn't it odd that the Park has suddenly been destroyed NOW while Isreal are targetting various parts of Gaza? It must have been going for a long time so why would it be destroyed by Hamas at this particular time???

Hi Panda, I have edited my post as I have been informed that this happened in 2010. I agree with you about not knowing what to believe is the truth.