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Panda wrote:AnnaEsse wrote:Panda wrote:AnnaEsse wrote:Tal Ofer @TalOfer
16 Trucks of #medical supplies were transferred from #Israel into #Gaza during Operation #PillarofDefense
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26 patients in need of medical care entered #Israel from #Gaza during Operation #PillarofDefense
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64 Trucks of food were transferred from #Israel into #Gaza during Operation #PillarOfDefense
Who is this Tal Ofer, an Israeli report?
You only have to look at the intrastructure of Palestine on sky News to see the damage.
Rockets are being fired from that infrastructure. They're from bunkers in civilian areas. Perhaps those supplying the rockets and placing in those areas could have spent some money on shelters for the Palestinian people. Why are there no
shelters? Why fire rockets daily and expect no response?
I suspect Palestine can 't afford to build shelters and this dispute was created by the death of the Hamas Leader from an Israeli missile,
Panda, the dispute was created by the fact that over 1200 rockets had been fired at Israel this year. If they can afford expensive missiles, surely they can build shelters?
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chrissie wrote:Panda wrote:chrissie wrote:Just read this on twitter:
http://order-order.com/2012/11/19/gazas-aqua-park-has-been-destroyed/
The Crazy Water Park, which was at the heart of Gaza’s vibrant tourist scene, has been destroyed by fire. Gazans used to be able to swim and relax by the pools and there were water slides for the young children. It was a happy place once but the Middle East News Watch reports:
“40 gunmen tied up and blindfolded a nightwatchman before setting fire to an administrative building and restaurant. The fire engulfed different parts of the club, including an administrative building, and then spread to the main restaurant and cafeteria, which is three storeys high.”
No, this was not the repressive IDF attacking the strip, it was Hamas militants who were outraged that the park had “hosted parties in which men and women mingled.” Nice bunch.
Morning chrissie, trouble is we are getting so much information it is hard to tell what is true and what is not., especially as Isreal is using twitter, facebook and what's the other one called? to promote their innocence. Isn't it odd that the Park has suddenly been destroyed NOW while Isreal are targetting various parts of Gaza? It must have been going for a long time so why would it be destroyed by Hamas at this particular time???
Hi Panda, I have edited my post as I have been informed that this happened in 2010. I agree with you about not knowing what to believe is the truth.
When I was younger I lived in London and I was quite Political , handing out leaflets for the CND , went on the March etc but there was srtill the trust in Government and we didn't really know what was going on in the rest of the world. Now, I have no faith in British Government for integrity or competence , most of the World is corrupt and money rules the World not the population.
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AnnaEsse wrote:malena stool wrote:Panda wrote:malena stool wrote:The answer to stopping the Israeli retaliation is don't attack them and give them a reason to strike back.....Panda wrote:On the News just now, a Palestinian father was at the bedside of his young Son who is seriously ill with most of his face covered in a dressing from wounds sustained from an Israeli strike. His father was distraught and it really was a touching scene . The Israelis have done tremendous damage to Palestine , bombing the roof top aerials to prevent any radio or T.V reporting, they have anti missiles which intercept the Palestinian rockets before they get near to Israel , the damage to the infrastructure of Gaza is great and Israel has many tanks standing by ready to invade.
It really is a David and Goliath situation and although World Leaders are urging restraint, Israel is taking no notice. William Hague has said if Israel invades Palestine the U.N. will take action.
The way things are going the Middle East will be bombed to smithereens , they are poor enough as it is.
You and I disagree on this one malena, the Israelis have encroached so much on more Palestinian land , built high walls dividing Palestinian families, have had unlimited financial help from the U.S. and worst of all , the Country is mostly made up of immigrants from other Countries who have no real feeling of heritage. On a smaller scale it is like Northern and Southern Island and the religious conflict still going on after all these years.
Morning Panda, I don't see that we differ in views, other than in the methods adopted by the Palestinians. Vast amounts of money have been invested in the area from all corners of the world. I am led to believe that Israel also has donated towards developing Palestinian settlements, (although I may be wrong in this belief). The real truth is that Gaza and its inhabitants are being used by Arab nations to intimidate Israel as was the Lebanon a few years back. If a fraction of the money spent on arms were to be directed at promoting a harmonious relationship with Israel, the squalor of Palestinian refugee camps we see regularly on our TV sets would be non-existent.
The Covenant of the Hamas
(Extracts)
On the destruction of Israel:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (Preamble)
Condemnation of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty:
"Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle. ...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act." (Article 32)
Anti-Semitic incitement:
The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1980_1989/THE+COVENANT+OF+THE+HAMAS+-+MAIN+POINTS+-+18-Aug-8.htm
Thanks Anna, I guess that puts a permanent peaceful, negotiated settlement well out of reach then...
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Panda wrote:the Country is mostly made up of immigrants from other Countries who have no real feeling of heritage. On a smaller scale it is like Northern and Southern Island and the religious conflict still going on after all these years.
That is probably the most ignorant and bigoted comment that I have ever read anywhere on this forum.
The JEWISH heritage goes back 5000 years.
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Iris wrote:Panda wrote:the Country is mostly made up of immigrants from other Countries who have no real feeling of heritage. On a smaller scale it is like Northern and Southern Island and the religious conflict still going on after all these years.
That is probably the most ignorant and bigoted comment that I have ever read anywhere on this forum.
The JEWISH heritage goes back 5000 years.
It may well have done Iris, but it didn't have a home , that is why because of the Holocaust the Jews were given the Land to build their own Country.
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UN Chief To Meet Israeli And Palestinian Leaders
As both sides in the Gaza conflict continue to launch attacks, the UN confirms that Ban Ki-moon will meet leaders for talks.
9:18pm UK, Monday 19 November 2012
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Thousands of people have attended the funerals of victims of Sunday's Israeli airstrikes that reportedly killed at least nine children after a missile struck a home in a residential area. Warning: Sky's Stuart Ramsay's report contains pictures of dead bodies.
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The UN secretary general will meet the Israeli and Palestinian leaders as part of a growing effort to stop the ongoing Gaza conflict.
Ban Ki-moon will host talks with Israel's prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas this week.
Mr Ban arrived in Cairo late on Monday, where UN spokesman Martin Nesirky confirmed that the UN chief would later meet Egypt's foreign minister Mohammed Kamel Amr.
He is also due to host talks with Egypt's president Mohamed Morsi and Arab League chief Nabil al Arabi on Tuesday.
President Barack Obama has called both Mr Netanyahu and Mr Morsi to discuss ways to de-escalate the conflict.
In a statement, the White House said Mr Obama expressed regret for the deaths of Israeli and Palestinian civilians in his calls with both leaders.
The Israeli cabinet also met late met late on Monday to discuss an Egyptian proposal for ending the violence.
A report on Israeli public radio did not identify the main points of the Egyptian plan, which emerged following indirect negotiations in Cairo between Israeli officials and Palestinian representatives.
The report said Israel wanted to see a 24 to 48-hour truce take effect that could then be used to negotiate the finer details of a full ceasefire agreement.
There was no immediate indication on whether a firm decision on Egypt's proposal would emerge from the cabinet meeting.
Gaza, left, and Ashkelon, in Israel, right, have been targeted
Both sides continued their attacks on Monday as the efforts to bring about a truce gathered pace.
One person was confirmed dead following a large explosion at a central Gaza building used by local and foreign media, including Sky News Arabia.
Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad said the dead man was Ramaz Harab, one of its senior commanders.
Israel Defence Forces (IDF) later said it had targeted a "hideout" used by senior operatives from Islamic Jihad.
It named four individuals, including Ramaz Harab, who were in the building and said they had been involved in firing rockets at Israel.
Health officials said several others were wounded in the attack, which is the second strike on the building in two days.
The IDF accused militants of "cynically (using) those inside civilian-populated institutions as human shields".
The Hamas TV station Al Aqsa is located on the top floor of the building. The third floor took the brunt of the explosion.
The building is also said to house communications equipment used by Hamas.
Thousands of Israeli troops have been readied for a ground offensive
Israeli aircraft struck several crowded areas in the Gaza Strip, driving up the Palestinian death toll to above 90 over the six-day offensive, including 50 civilians, according to reports.
Hamas fighters have fired hundreds of rockets into Israel since Wednesday, including one that hit an empty school in the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon on Monday.
On the Israeli side, three civilians have died from Palestinian rocket fire since the violence erupted and dozens have been wounded. An Israeli rocket-defence system has intercepted hundreds of rockets bound for populated areas.
Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal said on Monday that Mr Netanyahu has requested a truce - a claim denied by Israel - and he called on Israel to initiate a ceasefire because "they started the war".
Speaking at a news conference in Cairo, Mr Meshaal called on rights groups to "expose" Israeli "crimes" and said Gaza-based Hamas would not yield to any Israeli conditions.
Israeli officials said earlier that the country was ready to launch a ground offensive but that it preferred a diplomatic solution.
After an initial lull in attacks on Monday morning, airstrikes escalated as Egypt was trying to broker a ceasefire with the help of Turkey and Qatar. Egypt's prime minister said a peace deal between the two sides could be close.
In Gaza City, thousands of mourners attended funerals of four children who were killed on Sunday in an Israeli airstrike. The missile reduced their home to rubble - the Israeli navy said a wanted militant was hiding inside.
Turkey's foreign minister and a delegation of Arab foreign ministers were expected in Gaza on Tuesday.
Middle East envoy Tony Blair met Israel's president, Shimon Peres, for talks earlier and said he hoped both sides could find a way to end the violence.
As both sides in the Gaza conflict continue to launch attacks, the UN confirms that Ban Ki-moon will meet leaders for talks.
9:18pm UK, Monday 19 November 2012
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The UN secretary general will meet the Israeli and Palestinian leaders as part of a growing effort to stop the ongoing Gaza conflict.
Ban Ki-moon will host talks with Israel's prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas this week.
Mr Ban arrived in Cairo late on Monday, where UN spokesman Martin Nesirky confirmed that the UN chief would later meet Egypt's foreign minister Mohammed Kamel Amr.
He is also due to host talks with Egypt's president Mohamed Morsi and Arab League chief Nabil al Arabi on Tuesday.
President Barack Obama has called both Mr Netanyahu and Mr Morsi to discuss ways to de-escalate the conflict.
In a statement, the White House said Mr Obama expressed regret for the deaths of Israeli and Palestinian civilians in his calls with both leaders.
The Israeli cabinet also met late met late on Monday to discuss an Egyptian proposal for ending the violence.
A report on Israeli public radio did not identify the main points of the Egyptian plan, which emerged following indirect negotiations in Cairo between Israeli officials and Palestinian representatives.
The report said Israel wanted to see a 24 to 48-hour truce take effect that could then be used to negotiate the finer details of a full ceasefire agreement.
There was no immediate indication on whether a firm decision on Egypt's proposal would emerge from the cabinet meeting.
Gaza, left, and Ashkelon, in Israel, right, have been targeted
Both sides continued their attacks on Monday as the efforts to bring about a truce gathered pace.
One person was confirmed dead following a large explosion at a central Gaza building used by local and foreign media, including Sky News Arabia.
Palestinian militant group Islamic Jihad said the dead man was Ramaz Harab, one of its senior commanders.
Israel Defence Forces (IDF) later said it had targeted a "hideout" used by senior operatives from Islamic Jihad.
It named four individuals, including Ramaz Harab, who were in the building and said they had been involved in firing rockets at Israel.
Health officials said several others were wounded in the attack, which is the second strike on the building in two days.
The IDF accused militants of "cynically (using) those inside civilian-populated institutions as human shields".
The Hamas TV station Al Aqsa is located on the top floor of the building. The third floor took the brunt of the explosion.
The building is also said to house communications equipment used by Hamas.
Thousands of Israeli troops have been readied for a ground offensive
Israeli aircraft struck several crowded areas in the Gaza Strip, driving up the Palestinian death toll to above 90 over the six-day offensive, including 50 civilians, according to reports.
Hamas fighters have fired hundreds of rockets into Israel since Wednesday, including one that hit an empty school in the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon on Monday.
On the Israeli side, three civilians have died from Palestinian rocket fire since the violence erupted and dozens have been wounded. An Israeli rocket-defence system has intercepted hundreds of rockets bound for populated areas.
Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal said on Monday that Mr Netanyahu has requested a truce - a claim denied by Israel - and he called on Israel to initiate a ceasefire because "they started the war".
Speaking at a news conference in Cairo, Mr Meshaal called on rights groups to "expose" Israeli "crimes" and said Gaza-based Hamas would not yield to any Israeli conditions.
Israeli officials said earlier that the country was ready to launch a ground offensive but that it preferred a diplomatic solution.
After an initial lull in attacks on Monday morning, airstrikes escalated as Egypt was trying to broker a ceasefire with the help of Turkey and Qatar. Egypt's prime minister said a peace deal between the two sides could be close.
In Gaza City, thousands of mourners attended funerals of four children who were killed on Sunday in an Israeli airstrike. The missile reduced their home to rubble - the Israeli navy said a wanted militant was hiding inside.
Turkey's foreign minister and a delegation of Arab foreign ministers were expected in Gaza on Tuesday.
Middle East envoy Tony Blair met Israel's president, Shimon Peres, for talks earlier and said he hoped both sides could find a way to end the violence.
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Panda wrote:Iris wrote:Panda wrote:the Country is mostly made up of immigrants from other Countries who have no real feeling of heritage. On a smaller scale it is like Northern and Southern Island and the religious conflict still going on after all these years.
That is probably the most ignorant and bigoted comment that I have ever read anywhere on this forum.
The JEWISH heritage goes back 5000 years.
It may well have done Iris, but it didn't have a home , that is why because of the Holocaust the Jews were given the Land to build their own Country.
Did it ever occur to you that quite a lot of these "immigrants" are/were REFUGEES with nowhere else to go? There were even Ethiopian (non-Jewish) refugees trying to get into Israel recently, and Israel was willing to accept them. The Palestinians gunned them down at the border.
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The Twelve Tribes of Israel
The Jewish forefather Jacob fathered 12 sons - they are the ancestors of the Tribes of Israel.
After conquering Israel, each tribe occupied a separate territory in the land.
The Tribe of Levi was set apart for the other tribes to serve in the Holy Temple.
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What is the point of israel as a ethnic jewish state or?
german jews are still german , polish jews are still polish , russian jews are still russian
it would be dumb to say they are ethnic jews as for ethiopian jews are not (ethnic )jews they are still ethnic amharas and arab jews are still ethnic arabs , moroccan syrian blah blah
the point of the question is , why is israel mulitcultural if it's supposed to be only for ETHNIC jews?
like i said countries exist for the ethnic people so who are the ethnic people supposed to be ?
is israel supposed to be a nation based on religious beliefs?
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Good question Perhaps some of our Israeli friends can explain to us what other race, group or religious sect, whatever they call themselves, have ever in the worlds long history ever been given a land of their own at another countries expense and yet even now these greedy people want even more . Had this had happened in any other country they all would be on the next bus home
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What is the point of israel as a ethnic jewish state or?
german jews are still german , polish jews are still polish , russian jews are still russian
it would be dumb to say they are ethnic jews as for ethiopian jews are not (ethnic )jews they are still ethnic amharas and arab jews are still ethnic arabs , moroccan syrian blah blah
the point of the question is , why is israel mulitcultural if it's supposed to be only for ETHNIC jews?
like i said countries exist for the ethnic people so who are the ethnic people supposed to be ?
is israel supposed to be a nation based on religious beliefs?
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Good question Perhaps some of our Israeli friends can explain to us what other race, group or religious sect, whatever they call themselves, have ever in the worlds long history ever been given a land of their own at another countries expense and yet even now these greedy people want even more . Had this had happened in any other country they all would be on the next bus home
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Panda wrote:Resolved Question
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What is the point of israel as a ethnic jewish state or?
german jews are still german , polish jews are still polish , russian jews are still russian
it would be dumb to say they are ethnic jews as for ethiopian jews are not (ethnic )jews they are still ethnic amharas and arab jews are still ethnic arabs , moroccan syrian blah blah
the point of the question is , why is israel mulitcultural if it's supposed to be only for ETHNIC jews?
like i said countries exist for the ethnic people so who are the ethnic people supposed to be ?
is israel supposed to be a nation based on religious beliefs?
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Good question Perhaps some of our Israeli friends can explain to us what other race, group or religious sect, whatever they call themselves, have ever in the worlds long history ever been given a land of their own at another countries expense and yet even now these greedy people want even more . Had this had happened in any other country they all would be on the next bus home
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I am not even going to dignify such anti-semitic rubbish with a response.
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There are other opinions besides yours Iris and they are valid, It is true that the Jews never had their own Country and the UN authorised a State pf Israel to be born in 1948 by ceding some Palestinian land. It was an ill conceived idea because no one thought of the population of the new Israel expanding and taking more Palestinian land.
However, I suggest we agree to differ on this subject if a sensible discussion is impossible.
However, I suggest we agree to differ on this subject if a sensible discussion is impossible.
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What land would that be then, that Israel has "taken"? They withdrew from Gaza completely in 2005. Something that the MSM conveniently omits.
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UN Chief In Cairo To Push For Gaza Truce
Ban Ki-Moon arrives in Egypt to meet influential Arab leaders and press for an end to the fighting between Hamas and Israel.
5:51am UK, Tuesday 20 November 2012
Ban Ki-moon (L) with Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohammed Kamel Amr
Ban Ki-Moon arrives in Egypt to meet influential Arab leaders and press for an end to the fighting between Hamas and Israel.
5:51am UK, Tuesday 20 November 2012
Ban Ki-moon (L) with Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohammed Kamel Amr
UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon has arrived in Cairo where he will attempt to broker a ceasefire deal to end the Gaza-Israel conflict.
Both sides continued to trade blows across the border overnight, and thick smoke was seen rising from Gaza just after dawn.
Mr Ban will meet Egypt’s influential president Mohamed Morsi and Arab League chief Nabil al Arabi to discuss a potential truce later.
Egyptian officials have already held talks with an Israeli envoy and the Hamas leader-in-exile Khaled Mashaal.
Mr Ban will also meet Israel's prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas this week.
US President Barack Obama, the EU and the Russia have all appealed for the two sides to end the conflict.
The funeral of nine members of the same Gazan family took place on Monday
Israeli strikes killed 32 Palestinians on Monday, taking the Gaza death toll to 111.
As the violence raged for a sixth day, an Israeli missile killed a senior Islamic Jihad militant in a Gaza City tower housing Palestinian and international media, the second time in as many days it has been hit.
The Israeli army, meanwhile, said that 42 rockets had struck Israel and another 19 had been intercepted by the Iron Dome defence system.
Mr Meshaal said his movement was committed to efforts to secure a truce, but insisted that Israel must lift its six-year blockade of the Gaza Strip.
Israeli tanks are gathered close to the border with Gaza
Many Gaza families have fled their homes, some seeking haven in the south which has seen fewer strikes.
"My son Mohammed refuses to eat. He follows me everywhere because he's so scared and asks me every 10 minutes when we're going to die," said Umm Jihad, 37.
Monday also saw mourners flock to the funeral of nine members of one family killed in a weekend strike on their house in Gaza City. The bodies of the five children carried were pictured being carried through the streets wrapped in flags.
The violence comes ahead of the Israeli general election on January 22.
Ministers in Benjamin Netanyahu's inner circle - the Forum of Nine - were reportedly in talks over whether to agree to a ceasefire or expand the air campaign into a wider ground operation.
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Gaza dispatch: 'Every house in the country is a target for Israel'
The day after a devastating air strike killed nine members from one family, the Telegraph's Phoebe Greenwood watches the youngest members laid to rest.
The family home was hit by a rocket fired from an F16 jet Photo: Mohammed Salem/REUTERS
By Phoebe Greenwood, Gaza City
9:33PM GMT 19 Nov 2012
As the funeral procession bearing the El Dallo family made its way from the morgue towards their decimated home, bulldozers were still sifting through the wreckage for Yara El Dallo. Early on Monday morning, rescue teams had found the 20 year-old mother's arm but as her family were being prepared for burial, her body was still missing.
At 10am, a grim-faced assembly of men waited to receive the fourteen other people who had been inside the family home when it was hit by a rocket fired from an F16 jet on Sunday afternoon, whose remains had been recovered.
At their centre sat Jamal El Dallo, 50. Mr El Dallo's brother, wife, daughters, sons, nieces and nephews were all killed in the blast. He and his son Abdullah, 18, had been manning the family grocery store in Gaza City at the time of the strike. One of his elder sons, Mohamed, 24, rumoured to have worked for Hamas, is thought to have been the target. But to his grieving father, Mohamed was just a traffic policeman.
"All my family is gone. All the children, five, six, two and seven, they couldn't fire rockets. My wife, my sister, they didn't fire rockets. God have mercy on them," Mr El Dallo said, his eyes fixed on the debris-strewn floor in front of him.
He added, " But I am not surprised. Every house in the country is a target for Israel's F16 jets."
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As the first bodies swathed in white cloth and the green flag of Hamas made their way on the shoulders of Hamas officials up the leafy suburban street, the shrill wails of women rang out over the resistance songs that were blaring from loudspeakers.
A stampede of young men crunched over floral tea cups, smashed glasses and decorative metal trays to get a glimpse of the bodies. They clambered onto the highest points of the wreckage, mattresses, television sets and fallen masonry to get one final glimpse of the dead.
The five tiny bodies of the El Dallo children did not need stretchers. Wrapped in Palestinian flags, only their crushed faces visible, they were held up to the sky in the hands of angry men. The small bloody corpses bobbed on top of the jostling crowd, their limp limbs falling free of the Palestinian flags covering them.
"You see, Israel has killed innocent people. We ask the world why these innocent children have been killed?" the loudspeakers boomed, to roars of "Allah Uakba!".
As the El Dallo family were carried away from their home to the cemetery at an urgent half-run under hails of
gunfire, Jamal El Dallo slowly turned his tear-drenched face away and walked back towards the ruins of his home.
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This is heartbreaking, whether it was a Palestinian or Israeli family.
The day after a devastating air strike killed nine members from one family, the Telegraph's Phoebe Greenwood watches the youngest members laid to rest.
The family home was hit by a rocket fired from an F16 jet Photo: Mohammed Salem/REUTERS
By Phoebe Greenwood, Gaza City
9:33PM GMT 19 Nov 2012
As the funeral procession bearing the El Dallo family made its way from the morgue towards their decimated home, bulldozers were still sifting through the wreckage for Yara El Dallo. Early on Monday morning, rescue teams had found the 20 year-old mother's arm but as her family were being prepared for burial, her body was still missing.
At 10am, a grim-faced assembly of men waited to receive the fourteen other people who had been inside the family home when it was hit by a rocket fired from an F16 jet on Sunday afternoon, whose remains had been recovered.
At their centre sat Jamal El Dallo, 50. Mr El Dallo's brother, wife, daughters, sons, nieces and nephews were all killed in the blast. He and his son Abdullah, 18, had been manning the family grocery store in Gaza City at the time of the strike. One of his elder sons, Mohamed, 24, rumoured to have worked for Hamas, is thought to have been the target. But to his grieving father, Mohamed was just a traffic policeman.
"All my family is gone. All the children, five, six, two and seven, they couldn't fire rockets. My wife, my sister, they didn't fire rockets. God have mercy on them," Mr El Dallo said, his eyes fixed on the debris-strewn floor in front of him.
He added, " But I am not surprised. Every house in the country is a target for Israel's F16 jets."
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As the first bodies swathed in white cloth and the green flag of Hamas made their way on the shoulders of Hamas officials up the leafy suburban street, the shrill wails of women rang out over the resistance songs that were blaring from loudspeakers.
A stampede of young men crunched over floral tea cups, smashed glasses and decorative metal trays to get a glimpse of the bodies. They clambered onto the highest points of the wreckage, mattresses, television sets and fallen masonry to get one final glimpse of the dead.
The five tiny bodies of the El Dallo children did not need stretchers. Wrapped in Palestinian flags, only their crushed faces visible, they were held up to the sky in the hands of angry men. The small bloody corpses bobbed on top of the jostling crowd, their limp limbs falling free of the Palestinian flags covering them.
"You see, Israel has killed innocent people. We ask the world why these innocent children have been killed?" the loudspeakers boomed, to roars of "Allah Uakba!".
As the El Dallo family were carried away from their home to the cemetery at an urgent half-run under hails of
gunfire, Jamal El Dallo slowly turned his tear-drenched face away and walked back towards the ruins of his home.
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This is heartbreaking, whether it was a Palestinian or Israeli family.
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The link below is a good read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas[/quote[/url]]malena stool wrote:The link below is a good read
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
malena, I got halfway through and admit I lost interest. It appears Israel and Hamas will never get along , Hamas is regarded as a terrorist organization , by those who have a vested interest in Israel. I think a lot of this stems from Israel usurping part of the Gaza strip a few years ago.It is rumoured that Netenyahou is facing an Election early next year which might have been the reason for the killing of the Hamas Leader which started all this.
Who knows what's what, I certainly don't but whether Palestinian or Israeli it is very hard on the people although with Palestinian deaths at over 100 and Israel 3 .
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Received this from a friend yesterday:
http://www.bod.org.uk/live/content.php?Item_ID=130&Blog_ID=574
Statement on current situation in Southern Israel and Gaza
by Press Office posted in Israel and Abroad
This morning the British Jewish community awoke to the news of the death of three Israeli civilians in an indiscriminate missile attack against Kiryat Malachi. This deadly incident was the latest of hundreds of such attacks against one million Israeli citizens in Southern Israel over the last few weeks. Since the start of 2012 over 800 missiles have been fired by Hamas and other Gazan terror groups towards Israel, with 300 in the last week alone. All schools within a forty kilometre radius of Gaza have been closed.
No country in the world would be expected to tolerate such attacks. Israel has a duty to protect her people and the Board of Deputies supports her right to do so.
Naturally we are concerned about the loss of life on both sides – Palestinian and Israeli – and we pray for a peaceful resolution to this current situation. But the responsibility for the current crisis lies squarely on the shoulders of Hamas. We call upon members of the international community to condemn Hamas in the way the British Foreign Secretary has done so already, and do everything in their power to stop missile attacks against Israel.
Our thoughts are with the families of all who have lost their lives, including those Palestinians who have been dragged once again by Hamas into another conflict. We look forward to peaceful times returning speedily for both the Palestinian and Israeli people.
http://www.bod.org.uk/live/content.php?Item_ID=130&Blog_ID=574
Statement on current situation in Southern Israel and Gaza
by Press Office posted in Israel and Abroad
This morning the British Jewish community awoke to the news of the death of three Israeli civilians in an indiscriminate missile attack against Kiryat Malachi. This deadly incident was the latest of hundreds of such attacks against one million Israeli citizens in Southern Israel over the last few weeks. Since the start of 2012 over 800 missiles have been fired by Hamas and other Gazan terror groups towards Israel, with 300 in the last week alone. All schools within a forty kilometre radius of Gaza have been closed.
No country in the world would be expected to tolerate such attacks. Israel has a duty to protect her people and the Board of Deputies supports her right to do so.
Naturally we are concerned about the loss of life on both sides – Palestinian and Israeli – and we pray for a peaceful resolution to this current situation. But the responsibility for the current crisis lies squarely on the shoulders of Hamas. We call upon members of the international community to condemn Hamas in the way the British Foreign Secretary has done so already, and do everything in their power to stop missile attacks against Israel.
Our thoughts are with the families of all who have lost their lives, including those Palestinians who have been dragged once again by Hamas into another conflict. We look forward to peaceful times returning speedily for both the Palestinian and Israeli people.
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Thanks chrissie, well if that is not propaganda I don't know what is,!! A U.S. Senator complained the other day that Israel was posting on twitter, facebook and another of these chat clubs and said it was dangerous and unneccesary . Your'e good at finding stuff, see if you can find anything that started the troubles between these two Countries , I'm sure it was to do with Israel taking more land from the Gaza strip.
The ones who suffer most are the innocent victims, especially the children. Jordan has over 100,000 refugees from Syria, is feeding and clothing them , Turkey and the Yemen also have many refugees........a breeding ground for more terrorists.
There was a Palestinian Woman and a Woman whose Son was in Israel with his Father on a Sunday morning T.V. Show. Both said they were caught up in the death and destruction and although they lived in the U.K. were very worried about their kin and there was no way they could phone.
The Palestinian Woman did most of the talking , said what is wrong with these Leaders that they cannot resolve their differences without all this death and destruction. Surprisingly , she mentioned Tony Blair. He was supposed to be the Peace Ambassador for the Middle East but has done nothing to help any of the conflicts going on.
The ones who suffer most are the innocent victims, especially the children. Jordan has over 100,000 refugees from Syria, is feeding and clothing them , Turkey and the Yemen also have many refugees........a breeding ground for more terrorists.
There was a Palestinian Woman and a Woman whose Son was in Israel with his Father on a Sunday morning T.V. Show. Both said they were caught up in the death and destruction and although they lived in the U.K. were very worried about their kin and there was no way they could phone.
The Palestinian Woman did most of the talking , said what is wrong with these Leaders that they cannot resolve their differences without all this death and destruction. Surprisingly , she mentioned Tony Blair. He was supposed to be the Peace Ambassador for the Middle East but has done nothing to help any of the conflicts going on.
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Just heard on Radio 4 that the Egyptian efforts to organise a truce may have had positive results, which will be known in a few hours.
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Oh, that,s good News. Obama sent Hilary Clinton to Israel ...have you noticed how dowdy she looks these days? As a Secretary of State you'd think she would try to smarten up a bit .
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Panda wrote:Oh, that,s good News. Obama sent Hilary Clinton to Israel ...have you noticed how dowdy she looks these days? As a Secretary of State you'd think she would try to smarten up a bit .
I think Hillary looks good with her hair longer.
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N0, I think she looks frumpy these days, not even good dress sense. This might affect the talks
Gaza: Six Men Executed 'As Israeli Spies'
Six men are executed in Gaza for alleged collaboration with Israeli forces, hours after the UN boss urges a halt to the crisis.
3:19pm UK, Tuesday 20 November 2012
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Six Palestinian men accused of being spies for Israel have been executed at an intersection in Gaza, just hours after the UN boss called for a halt to the conflict.
Witnesses said the six men were dragged out of a van and forced to lie down in the street before they were shot by masked gunmen.
Sky News chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay, reporting from Gaza, said: "We understand six men were taken into a square ... and were executed in front of crowds."
Israeli homeowners inspect damage after a rocket attack in Beersheba
It has been reported that five of the bodies lay in a pile as a mob stomped and spit on them. A sixth body was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!"
The Hamas military wing has claimed responsibility for the executions.
The deaths follow UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon's call for an immediate ceasefire to end the Gaza-Israel conflict.
Gaza residents flee their homes on November 20
Speaking in Cairo after talks with Arab League chief Nabil Elaraby, he said a ground invasion of Gaza would be a "dangerous escalation" that must be avoided.
"Immediate steps are needed by all to avoid a further escalation, including a ground operation which will only result in further tragedy," Mr Ban said.
"My message is clear - all sides must halt fire immediately - further escalating the situation will put the entire region at risk."
A bus in southern Israel damaged by a rocket attack from Gaza
Mr Ban, who later arrived in Israel, added: "We all must recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns that must be respected in accordance with international law, but a ground operation would be a dangerous escalation."
Earlier Israel's air force dropped leaflets across areas of Gaza City urging people to evacuate their homes "immediately".
"For your own safety, you are required to immediately evacuate your homes and move toward Gaza City centre," the one-page Arabic-language leaflet said.
Sky's Sam Kiley said the leaflet drop could be part of a propaganda exercise to show Hamas that Israel is seriously considering an imminent ground invasion.
Elsewhere Egypt's President Mohamed Morsi has said that talks with both sides of the conflict will have "positive results" in the coming hours.
Israeli troops near the Gaza border prepare weapons ahead of any invasion
Meanwhile a man identified as the most elusive top Hamas commander. and a founder of its military wing, has urged the group's fighters to keep up attacks on Israel.
Mohammed Deif, seriously wounded in an Israeli airstrike in 2003, reportedly said on Hamas-run radio that fighters "must invest all resources to uproot this aggressor from our land".
Palestinian militants fired a rocket toward Jerusalem on Tuesday, causing an explosion moments after air raid sirens sounded across the city.
Foreign Secretary William Hague told the Commons that three Israelis, including one woman and a child, and at least 109 Palestinians, including 11 women and 26 children, have so far died in the conflict.
"We have made clear that Hamas must bear primary responsibility for the start of the current crisis but also that all side have responsibilities," Mr Hague said.
"We quickly called on Israel to seek every opportunity to deescalate their military response and to observe international humanitarian law and avoid civilian casualties."
The US has confirmed Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will fly from Asia to meet key officials in Jerusalem, Ramallah and then Cairo, as it emerged that Barack Obama has not asked Israel to hold off a ground invasion.
Egyptian officials have held talks with an Israeli envoy and Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, but Hamas has insisted on the lifting of a six-year blockade of the Gaza Strip by the opposing side.
Militants said they fired 16 missiles at the southern Israeli city of Beersheba after Israel's military targeted roughly 100 sites in Gaza overnight, including ammunition stores and the Gaza headquarters of the Hamas-backed National Islamic Bank.
Gaza: Six Men Executed 'As Israeli Spies'
Six men are executed in Gaza for alleged collaboration with Israeli forces, hours after the UN boss urges a halt to the crisis.
3:19pm UK, Tuesday 20 November 2012
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Six Palestinian men accused of being spies for Israel have been executed at an intersection in Gaza, just hours after the UN boss called for a halt to the conflict.
Witnesses said the six men were dragged out of a van and forced to lie down in the street before they were shot by masked gunmen.
Sky News chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay, reporting from Gaza, said: "We understand six men were taken into a square ... and were executed in front of crowds."
Israeli homeowners inspect damage after a rocket attack in Beersheba
It has been reported that five of the bodies lay in a pile as a mob stomped and spit on them. A sixth body was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!"
The Hamas military wing has claimed responsibility for the executions.
The deaths follow UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon's call for an immediate ceasefire to end the Gaza-Israel conflict.
Gaza residents flee their homes on November 20
Speaking in Cairo after talks with Arab League chief Nabil Elaraby, he said a ground invasion of Gaza would be a "dangerous escalation" that must be avoided.
"Immediate steps are needed by all to avoid a further escalation, including a ground operation which will only result in further tragedy," Mr Ban said.
"My message is clear - all sides must halt fire immediately - further escalating the situation will put the entire region at risk."
A bus in southern Israel damaged by a rocket attack from Gaza
Mr Ban, who later arrived in Israel, added: "We all must recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns that must be respected in accordance with international law, but a ground operation would be a dangerous escalation."
Earlier Israel's air force dropped leaflets across areas of Gaza City urging people to evacuate their homes "immediately".
"For your own safety, you are required to immediately evacuate your homes and move toward Gaza City centre," the one-page Arabic-language leaflet said.
Sky's Sam Kiley said the leaflet drop could be part of a propaganda exercise to show Hamas that Israel is seriously considering an imminent ground invasion.
Elsewhere Egypt's President Mohamed Morsi has said that talks with both sides of the conflict will have "positive results" in the coming hours.
Israeli troops near the Gaza border prepare weapons ahead of any invasion
Meanwhile a man identified as the most elusive top Hamas commander. and a founder of its military wing, has urged the group's fighters to keep up attacks on Israel.
Mohammed Deif, seriously wounded in an Israeli airstrike in 2003, reportedly said on Hamas-run radio that fighters "must invest all resources to uproot this aggressor from our land".
Palestinian militants fired a rocket toward Jerusalem on Tuesday, causing an explosion moments after air raid sirens sounded across the city.
Foreign Secretary William Hague told the Commons that three Israelis, including one woman and a child, and at least 109 Palestinians, including 11 women and 26 children, have so far died in the conflict.
"We have made clear that Hamas must bear primary responsibility for the start of the current crisis but also that all side have responsibilities," Mr Hague said.
"We quickly called on Israel to seek every opportunity to deescalate their military response and to observe international humanitarian law and avoid civilian casualties."
The US has confirmed Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will fly from Asia to meet key officials in Jerusalem, Ramallah and then Cairo, as it emerged that Barack Obama has not asked Israel to hold off a ground invasion.
Egyptian officials have held talks with an Israeli envoy and Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, but Hamas has insisted on the lifting of a six-year blockade of the Gaza Strip by the opposing side.
Militants said they fired 16 missiles at the southern Israeli city of Beersheba after Israel's military targeted roughly 100 sites in Gaza overnight, including ammunition stores and the Gaza headquarters of the Hamas-backed National Islamic Bank.
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Gaza: Six Men Executed 'As Israeli Spies
Six men are executed in Gaza for alleged collaboration with Israeli forces, hours after the UN boss urges a halt to the crisis.
Six Palestinian men accused of being spies for Israel have been executed at an intersection in Gaza, just hours after the UN boss called for a halt to the conflict.
Witnesses said the six men were dragged out of a van and forced to lie down in the street before they were shot by masked gunmen.
Sky News chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay, reporting from Gaza, said: "We understand six men were taken into a square ... and were executed in front of crowds."
It has been reported that five of the bodies lay in a pile as a mob stomped and spit on them. A sixth body was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!"
The Hamas military wing has claimed responsibility for the executions.
The deaths follow UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon's call for an immediate ceasefire to end the Gaza-Israel conflict.
Speaking in Cairo after talks with Arab League chief Nabil Elaraby, he said a ground invasion of Gaza would be a "dangerous escalation" that must be avoided.
"Immediate steps are needed by all to avoid a further escalation, including a ground operation which will only result in further tragedy," Mr Ban said.
"My message is clear - all sides must halt fire immediately - further escalating the situation will put the entire region at risk."
Mr Ban, who later arrived in Israel, added: "We all must recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns that must be respected in accordance with international law, but a ground operation would be a dangerous escalation."
Earlier Israel's air force dropped leaflets across areas of Gaza City urging people to evacuate their homes "immediately".
"For your own safety, you are required to immediately evacuate your homes and move toward Gaza City centre," the one-page Arabic-language leaflet said.
Sky's Sam Kiley said the leaflet drop could be part of a propaganda exercise to show Hamas that Israel is seriously considering an imminent ground invasion.
Elsewhere Egypt's President Mohamed Morsi has said that talks with both sides of the conflict will have "positive results" in the coming hours.
http://news.sky.com/story/1013745/gaza-six-men-executed-as-israeli-spies
Six men are executed in Gaza for alleged collaboration with Israeli forces, hours after the UN boss urges a halt to the crisis.
Six Palestinian men accused of being spies for Israel have been executed at an intersection in Gaza, just hours after the UN boss called for a halt to the conflict.
Witnesses said the six men were dragged out of a van and forced to lie down in the street before they were shot by masked gunmen.
Sky News chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay, reporting from Gaza, said: "We understand six men were taken into a square ... and were executed in front of crowds."
It has been reported that five of the bodies lay in a pile as a mob stomped and spit on them. A sixth body was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!"
The Hamas military wing has claimed responsibility for the executions.
The deaths follow UN secretary general Ban Ki-Moon's call for an immediate ceasefire to end the Gaza-Israel conflict.
Speaking in Cairo after talks with Arab League chief Nabil Elaraby, he said a ground invasion of Gaza would be a "dangerous escalation" that must be avoided.
"Immediate steps are needed by all to avoid a further escalation, including a ground operation which will only result in further tragedy," Mr Ban said.
"My message is clear - all sides must halt fire immediately - further escalating the situation will put the entire region at risk."
Mr Ban, who later arrived in Israel, added: "We all must recognise that Israel has legitimate security concerns that must be respected in accordance with international law, but a ground operation would be a dangerous escalation."
Earlier Israel's air force dropped leaflets across areas of Gaza City urging people to evacuate their homes "immediately".
"For your own safety, you are required to immediately evacuate your homes and move toward Gaza City centre," the one-page Arabic-language leaflet said.
Sky's Sam Kiley said the leaflet drop could be part of a propaganda exercise to show Hamas that Israel is seriously considering an imminent ground invasion.
Elsewhere Egypt's President Mohamed Morsi has said that talks with both sides of the conflict will have "positive results" in the coming hours.
http://news.sky.com/story/1013745/gaza-six-men-executed-as-israeli-spies
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Panda, I really don't think she looks frumpy but each to their own
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