Madeleine McCanns's Father Calls for Press Law

The 'binary choice' in this context I think means choosing one thing or the other (no in-betweens), ie either 0 or 1 (or in this case press barons or 'victims').
What they seem to have ended up with though is a fudgy compromise where everyone can claim a bit of credit - not binary at all!

Poor old Gezza - he does love his buzzwords - little realising that all that management-speak makes him sound a right prat!

almostgothic wrote:The 'binary choice' in this context I think means choosing one thing or the other (no in-betweens), ie either 0 or 1 (or in this case press barons or 'victims').
What they seem to have ended up with though is a fudgy compromise where everyone can claim a bit of credit - not binary at all!

Poor old Gezza - he does love his buzzwords - little realising that all that management-speak makes him sound a right prat!

I recall Kate McCann talking about 'receiving and capturing,' information on a phone line! What?

Ah, but they speak of little else in Mossley Hill!
Twirly pass de blower. Am go'n ter do some receiv'n and capt'n!


Seriously though, they invariably come across as talking robots rather than flesh-and-blood sentient beings!

AnnaEsse wrote:

Thanks margaret for copying the whole article. I hadn't read it through properly and was rushing to get to work, which was the main reason for just copying parts of it. The article makes quite shocking reading about a group that wants transparency.

I think so too Anna. Now where have we heard the 'transparency' soundbite before?

As for binary, surely they mean 'binding' ?

I found this Martin Roberts piece very interesting in light of the latest revelations...

Unless the McCann influence extends across party lines, Mr Cameron, if push came to shove, could see to it that Labour remained in opposition for a very long time to come, simply by allowing the McCann-New Labour relationship to mature publicly, like a piece of Stilton, then revealing it as the source of the stench by eventually deciding on the most advantageous outcome (to himself) of the Scotland Yard review. Although 'spattered' in the process, he could be the last man standing.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

Scroll down to Dr.Martin Roberts 'Now and Then'

Senior Tory MP David Davis said last night: ‘For an organisation that represents itself as standing for honesty, transparency and high ethical standards, this shows astonishing hypocrisy and cynicism.

‘It is precisely the manipulative tendency we were led to believe that they deplore.’



How would the Hacked Off Campaign possibly expect to represent itself as standing for honesty, transparency and high ethical standards with Mccann on board. This is what they need to understand, the Hacked Off Campaign will not be taken seriously having someone who has shown in his own statements and interviews that they are riddled with discrepancies and inaccuracies, taken with the fact that when they appealed for money they said it was to find Madeleine but the accounts show most of the money not spend on looking for Madeleine, it was said the Fund would not be used for legal fees, and it appears it has been, so none of the behaviour we have seen from Mr. Mccann would appear to equate with honesty, transparency and high ethical standards, that is not an opinion, that is a fact which has been shown by words from his own mouth and that of his Team.

Brilliant tweet!

dh ‏@dhnewstweet
It's such a shame when thieves and liars have their lives turned upside down by the press

Just see what we wouldn't have happened or we wouldn't have known about if the press was censored.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294968/For-centuries-men-women-fought-died-freedom-expression-Who-Miliband-Clegg-throw-away.html

The press wouldn't have been able to name the killers of Stephen Lawrence (it should be noted that one of them has dropped his appeal this weekend, in effect he admits killing Stephen). The press were instrumental in nailing Stephens killers.

MP's expenses scandal.

The Guardian helped expose MP Jonathon Aitken for perjury, for which he received an 18 month sentence in 1999

Chris Huhne getting his wife to take his speeding points.

I could go on....

margaret wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

Thanks margaret for copying the whole article. I hadn't read it through properly and was rushing to get to work, which was the main reason for just copying parts of it. The article makes quite shocking reading about a group that wants transparency.

I think so too Anna. Now where have we heard the 'transparency' soundbite before?

As for binary, surely they mean 'binding' ?

I found this Martin Roberts piece very interesting in light of the latest revelations...

Unless the McCann influence extends across party lines, Mr Cameron, if push came to shove, could see to it that Labour remained in opposition for a very long time to come, simply by allowing the McCann-New Labour relationship to mature publicly, like a piece of Stilton, then revealing it as the source of the stench by eventually deciding on the most advantageous outcome (to himself) of the Scotland Yard review. Although 'spattered' in the process, he could be the last man standing.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

Scroll down to Dr.Martin Roberts 'Now and Then'

I don't think it can mean "binding" How can a definition of the "Dowler test" (whatever that is) be binding. The Dowler situation was an appalling abuse but hardly sufficiently broad to form the basis of any regulation. If the test is legality again it is meaningless unless it means anything not already caught becomes illegal if it fails the test (whatever the test is). Let's face it it is gobbledegook intended to sound meaningful and invoke the emotion of Dowler but actually remains gobbledegook.

http://news.sky.com/story/1066186/hacking-hundreds-of-victims-in-new-plot

Police say they have uncovered a new conspiracy to intercept voice mail

Police have found a new conspiracy to intercept voicemails with "potentially hundreds more victims" the Law Courts have been told.

The revelation came during the 14th case management conference relating to civil damages actions brought by scores of people from all walks of life over the phone hacking scandal.

At the beginning of proceedings, Hugh Tomlinson QC told the High Court that there had been "substantial developments" since the previous case management hearing.

He said a number of further arrests had been made "in what the Metropolitan Police Service have characterised in their public statement as a new conspiracy to intercept voice mail messages".
Shane Richie Shane Richie is among the new victims

He added that it involved "potentially hundreds of victims".

Mr Tomlinson, who represents claimants in the action, said it was "not known at the moment how many more claims may be issued".

Sky correspondent Rachel Younger, who was in court, said: "Only one of the new victims has been named - TV star Shane Richie - who has made his application to the court."

During the proceedings Labour MP Siobhain McDonagh accepted "very substantial" damages and a public apology over phone hacking.

In October 2010 her private mobile telephone was stolen from her car in south west London.

David Sherborne, representing the MP for Mitcham and Morden, told Mr Justice Vos that in June last year police notified her they had "obtained evidence that The Sun newspaper had accessed her text messages from about October 2010 and therefore appeared to have accessed and/or acquired her mobile phone".

A QC told the court on behalf of the newspaper that it was accepted that her mobile phone "should not have been accessed and used and furthermore accept that there has been a serious misuse of her private information".

Mr Sherborne said the defendants, the publishers and/or owners of The Sun, had agreed to pay Ms McDonagh "very substantial damages" and her legal costs.

Dinah Rose QC, for the defendants, told the judge: "Through me they offer their unreserved apology to the claimant for what has happened.

"Furthermore they have undertaken to the court not to use any information so obtained nor to access or attempt to access by unlawful means the claimant's private information."

Mr Sherborne said that "in these circumstances the claimant has obtained significant protection and vindication of her privacy rights and she is therefore content not to pursue this matter any further".

Interesting they are trying to censor the Press when investigations being made into Elm House, Watson's mention of paedo ring House of Commons, more and more of the public calling for investigations into elite paedos, North Wales abuse, Jersey abuse etc., a lot of people are running scared, trying to close things down before more and more gets revealed.

very interwting Cherry. Daylight has been focused on the shameful vile activities of a few on vulnerable children. Long may the press have freedom to investigate this and other wrongdoings. the police have confirmed that the Saville investigatiion has led to other then children coming forward and investigations being undertaken.

margaret wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

kitti wrote:Read the mail article today.


The HACKED OFF Campaign have been trying to 'blackmail' some ministers and a document has come out that states that they are to USE the Dowlers in there campaign...disgraceful...

It's a very long article kitti, so I'll copy just the last part about "Hacked Off"

‘The Metropolitan Police has now confirmed that the News of the World was not to blame for deleting the specific mobile phone messages of Milly Dowler that gave false hope too her parents that she was alive,’ he said.
The Guardian was forced to print an apology.
The following May, Scotland Yard’s Chief Inspector John MacDonald said in a statement to the Leveson Inquiry: ‘We cannot conclusively say whether any voicemails were manually deleted.’
And in his report, Lord Leveson accepted as much, saying the voicemail messages were in fact probably deleted automatically by the mobile network operator.
‘The inquiry does conclude on the lower standard of proof of the balance of probabilities that tampering with or illegal interception of Milly Dowler’s voicemail was not the cause of the “false hope moment”,’ he wrote.
Yet Hacked Off and its supporters dismissed the revelation as a minor detail.

After all they had got their inquiry and the report they wanted. All they needed now was to force the political parties to accept the Leveson recommendations in their entirety – and once again the Dowlers’ name was key.
Last week it emerged that the campaign group had made extraordinary threats against Labour in an attempt to ‘sabotage’ cross-party agreement on Press reform.
The group threatened to publish a statement in which victims of phone hacking led by the Dowlers would condemn Ed Miliband, Harriet Harman and Nick Clegg in the strongest terms for agreeing to a ‘dirty deal’.
Concerns about Hacked Off’s motives were heightened yesterday after a secret dossier drawn up by the group was leaked to the Mail on Sunday.
In it there is a discussion of how the Dowlers can be used to pressurise the Prime Minister. It concludes: ‘It is in their name that we act.’
Given the events of the past few days, some might argue that Hacked Off should remind itself of that final phrase.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295006/How-Hacked-Off-hijacked-truth-tragic-Millys-voicemails.html

I will add that I have my suspicions about which person associated with the "Hacked Off," group might suggest something that amounted to blackmailing politicians.

Sorry, hadn't read the thread but glad you both saw it too. I've copied it here for everyone to read, it's devastating for their 'truthful' campaign. How dare Hugh Grant capitalise on the Dowlers misery, just because he didn't want his own dirty secrets aired.

As l said the knives are out.....

GOOD TO YOU Hugh Grant and your pal Gerry

From Twitter:

David Allen Green ‏@DavidAllenGreen

Well-resourced individuals who want control over news content accuse other well-resourced individuals of wanting control over news content.

chrissie wrote:From Twitter:

David Allen Green ‏@DavidAllenGreen

Well-resourced individuals who want control over news content accuse other well-resourced individuals of wanting control over news content.

Brilliant!

Have the Mccanns booked their place on Lorraine yet lol.....

Guido Fawkes reveals the names of some of Hacked Off's donors - suspect there could be more so worth checking back:

http://order-order.com/

margaret wrote:Just see what we wouldn't have happened or we wouldn't have known about if the press was censored.

The press wouldn't have been able to name the killers of Stephen Lawrence (it should be noted that one of them has dropped his appeal this weekend, in effect he admits killing Stephen). The press were instrumental in nailing Stephens killers.

MP's expenses scandal.

The Guardian helped expose MP Jonathon Aitken for perjury, for which he received an 18 month sentence in 1999

Chris Huhne getting his wife to take his speeding points.

I could go on....

Absolutely - whatever one thinks of the press, they have been responsible for uncovering a great deal in the public interest - and who can forget Watergate?

Let's face it Hacked off wouldn't have been born if it wasn't for the Press intruding on their Private lives . which I don't agree with and it should be curbed.
Whose business is it anyway what Celebrities and well known Business people get up to in private?
However, Investigative Journalism is quite different when it exposes wrongdoing and should be encouraged . I really don't know why a charter could not have been drawn up dealing with the two . components.

If the McCanns had the power some people believe they have over the press, I don't think that they would be so desperate for the Leveson proposals to be implemented. IMO, the couple are treading dangerous ground in their campaign for press regulation because they are probably pissing off a lot of newspaper editors, etc. who helped them in the beginning to whiten their reputations as dubious parents and to amass their fortune in the fund.

Panda wrote:

kitti wrote:I was listening to sky news and there was an editor on their and he said, this isn't about hacking etc it's about people in power who want to keep things 'hidden' from the public .


In other words, they want to keep their dirty little secrets hidden and never to be published...money talks..


It restricts what people should KNOW and what people WILL know ...what they want you to know is not the same as 'in the publics interest'.


A law according to Gerry McCann.

Kitti, two intrepid Reporters brought down a President in the U.S. , a Country which is far more open on freedom of information. History will record that under Tony Blairs Government "spin" was the operative word, his Government is responsible for the state of the Economy Britain is in, a German Analyst said this earlier, that the Labour government was too profligate and the BOE too quick to go for quantitive easing . Add to this the FSA asleep at the wheel and this is the result. He said Osborne, despite the criticism of him , is on the right path and austerity must be key to Britains recovery , together with more exports.

I agree with you up to the words "operative word." After that not so much. Believe me austerity is doubly evil, first it destroys peoples' lives and secondly it simply does not work. We're living proof of that in Portugal and it is also true in Greece, Spain, Ireland, Italy....

SPIN represents a society based on illusions and lies courtesy of New Labour which is in reality a light version of the Tory party. The McCanns are a product of that society where personal desires and needs come before responsibility.

The problem is Carolina by printing money aka "quantitive easing " all it does is store up debt for future generations . Portugal is a prime example, young Graduates have left in droves to find work in other Countries, Angola, a former Portugese colony is very popular. It has been said that Portugal will have more old people than young.

In Britain, because the War against Germany left the Country broke "credit" was started in 1950 to boost the economy and the population has not grown out of the habit of buying things they can't really afford we have debt problems . You only have to look at the way mobile phones for example have morphed into all kinds of functions costing hundreds of £'s when a £30 one would do just as well.
Where it will all end is anybody's guess but all I can say is I am glad I am not growing up today
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Income £1 expenditure 19.6d Happiness, Income 19.6d expenditure £1 misery , wise man Charles Dickens

Panda wrote:The problem is Carolina by printing money aka "quantitive easing " all it does is store up debt for future generations . Portugal is a prime example, young Graduates have left in droves to find work in other Countries, Angola, a former Portugese colony is very popular. It has been said that Portugal will have more old people than young.

In Britain, because the War against Germany left the Country broke "credit" was started in 1950 to boost the economy and the population has not grown out of the habit of buying things they can't really afford we have debt problems . You only have to look at the way mobile phones for example have morphed into all kinds of functions costing hundreds of £'s when a £30 one would do just as well.
Where it will all end is anybody's guess but all I can say is I am glad I am not growing up today
.
Income £1 expenditure 19.6d Happiness, Income 19.6d expenditure £1 misery , wise man Charles Dickens

Sorry Panda, but I don't intend to discuss the economic crisis on this thread except to say that it is not the fault of people buying things on credit but the fault of speculation by the banksters and accumulation of capital and wealth in the hands of a very few.

Back to the McCanns and the regulation of the press, it should be pointed out that victims of a crime or rather "victims" in their case should never participate in the respective legislation. There must be distance in justice and that is why we have judges deciding cases and not the victims otherwise it becomes vengeance, like the sharia and blood money.

Never thought that I would say it but I admire the Mail, Sun and Telegraph for refusing to agree to this press regulation and it might just make them less friendly towards the McCanns.

Has Gerry McCann commented yet?

I've looked at the front pages of tomorrow's papers on Sky and apart from one broadsheet they've all ignored today's news.

I don't think they're happy, so lets see what comes of this shall we? It won't be good.

Iv'e opened up a new thread in U.K. News dealing specifically with the new Charter.