Shall we have a little bet.

Many thanks mossman.

I didn't see the fourth, but presume it was that Madeleine could have left the apartment , but that was discounted , so we are left with abduction for 2 reasons and accidental death and the body hidden.

Would Amaral's Lawyer suggest the Parents were culpable if madeleine was abducted because they left her alone and the back door unlocked? There is no real way he can claim that Madeleine died in 5a , unless the dogs evidence and bloodspots proved positive.

pennylane wrote:To this day, we are still learning of ways the infamous doctors' McCann harmed the search for Madeleine.


Dr Amaral will win the Libel trial!

I know WE know what the McCanns are like, but the Judge might see things differently and think the McCanns have been villified , especially the Express suggesting these upstanding Doctors were "swingers". Also, after over 6 years with not a single sighting of Madeleine , that she was abducted for sex and then killed. That is too far fetched for me , you don't just wander into a Holiday Resort and pick out a pretty little girl to snatch.

Panda wrote:

pennylane wrote:To this day, we are still learning of ways the infamous doctors' McCann harmed the search for Madeleine.


Dr Amaral will win the Libel trial!

I know WE know what the McCanns are like, but the Judge might see things differently and think the McCanns have been villified , especially the Express suggesting these upstanding Doctors were "swingers".  Also, after over 6 years with not a single sighting of Madeleine , that she was abducted for sex and then killed. That is too far fetched for me , you don't just wander into a Holiday Resort and pick out a pretty little girl to snatch.

I have complete faith in the judge, Panda.  She's not a dodgy member of the British establishment, and has shown throughout this trial, that she is astute, knowledgeable, and has a direct, no-nonsense approach to the pathetic, ill-informed rubbish being spouted by the McCanns witnesses.  Dr Amaral doesn't have to prove what happened to Madeleine, he only has to prove he didn't harm the search, and thus far, the McCanns have not established a shred of proof that he has in any way, remotely, harmed the search for the child they so heinously let down!

pennylane wrote:

Panda wrote:

pennylane wrote:To this day, we are still learning of ways the infamous doctors' McCann harmed the search for Madeleine.


Dr Amaral will win the Libel trial!

I know WE know what the McCanns are like, but the Judge might see things differently and think the McCanns have been villified , especially the Express suggesting these upstanding Doctors were "swingers".  Also, after over 6 years with not a single sighting of Madeleine , that she was abducted for sex and then killed. That is too far fetched for me , you don't just wander into a Holiday Resort and pick out a pretty little girl to snatch.

I have complete faith in the judge, Panda.  She's not a dodgy member of the British establishment, and has shown throughout this trial, that she is astute, knowledgeable, and has a direct, no-nonsense approach to the pathetic, ill-informed rubbish being spouted by the McCanns witnesses.  Dr Amaral doesn't have to prove what happened to Madeleine, he only has to prove he didn't harm the search, and thus far, the McCanns have not established a shred of proof that he has in any way, remotely, harmed the search for the child they so heinously let down!

I'll go along with that Pennylane, neither can the Mccanns say his book affected the health of the Famely, especially the children, yes at 4 yrs of age they would obviously be able to read Portugese.. 

pennylane wrote:

Panda wrote:

pennylane wrote:To this day, we are still learning of ways the infamous doctors' McCann harmed the search for Madeleine.


Dr Amaral will win the Libel trial!

I know WE know what the McCanns are like, but the Judge might see things differently and think the McCanns have been villified , especially the Express suggesting these upstanding Doctors were "swingers".  Also, after over 6 years with not a single sighting of Madeleine , that she was abducted for sex and then killed. That is too far fetched for me , you don't just wander into a Holiday Resort and pick out a pretty little girl to snatch.

I have complete faith in the judge, Panda.  She's not a dodgy member of the British establishment, and has shown throughout this trial, that she is astute, knowledgeable, and has a direct, no-nonsense approach to the pathetic, ill-informed rubbish being spouted by the McCanns witnesses.  Dr Amaral doesn't have to prove what happened to Madeleine, he only has to prove he didn't harm the search, and thus far, the McCanns have not established a shred of proof that he has in any way, remotely, harmed the search for the child they so heinously let down!

Well said penny.   

Of course , if the Judge is satisfied that the Dogs identified a cadaver and the blood spots could have been Madeleine's then it's game set and match.....a lot will depend on how good the Lawyers are as well.

Nearly every day I am surprised to hear judgements handed down by Canadian courts and I don't pretend to be an expert on Portuguese law either. My thinking on this liebel trial boils down to Mr. Amaral's book is based on the facts/result of the investigation he conducted. The McCanns claim the book harmed the search for Madeleine and caused them distress. I don't buy that the book harmed the search; I've lost track of the number of "sightings" there have been since the book was published which indicates there are people who continue to at least be aware of her "disappearance" and are on the lookout for her. Any distress the McCanns may feel was brought on by their own actions in connection with her "disappearance". I don't believe the McCanns will win the case; Mr. Amaral has proved his case, not the McCanns.

Mr amaral will win the case and my betting is the mccanns will use the fund money to appeal, and Appeal and appeal ....


They dont care how long it takes to lose, it ain't there money..they just want to make mr Amaral suffer ..end off.

mossman wrote:For me one of the interesting questions asked by the judge to date was if the book is faithful to the investigation (the answer of the witness was yes).  If that is the case, and given that the Portugese system allows for the files to be available for public viewing, then I cannot see why the McCanns should win.  

As a person, I can read the police files or the book.  If both have the same content, how is one libel ?

I am sure there is a hugely complicated legal argument against me, but I like simple.    

I was going to quote that question too mossman, the other important one l thought was whether there is anything in the book that's not in the files, and the answer was no.

Mr.amaral will win. The judge has shown herself to be aware of the facts and hasn't given in to any of the Mccanns witnesses dramatic claims IMO.

kitti wrote:Mr amaral will win the case and my betting is the mccanns  will use the fund money to appeal, and Appeal and appeal ....


They dont care how long it takes to lose, it ain't there money..they just want to make mr Amaral suffer ..end off.

Kitti, I don't think there is much of the fund left. I had the 2012 accounts somewhere but can't find them . The 2013 Accounts are due at the end of this month .

I think Mr Amaral will win, then the newspapers will have open season on the Mccanns. Well heres hoping

I just had a look in mccannfiles and the income and expenditure account to 31/3/2012 has unrestrcted funds of £158, 953 and restricted £315,914 .
When you think the McCanns ordered a sequestration of E 1million of Amaral's money, don't seem to have too much in the Bank if he wins the case and sues THEM for E i million. Do you realise they have spent over £5 million of donations and income from Kate's book etc and what have they got to show for it.???

More worries than ever panda!  

margaret wrote:More worries than ever panda!  

Hi margaret, we all know Kennedy of Everest Windows had the money paid to him and "washed it "in one of his holding companies so i reckon the McCanns have a tidy bit stashed away. The Directors only have a liability of £1 in the event of bankruptcy, they thought of everything . If Amaral wins that wil be some consolation and i reckon the McCanns will go and live in Canada.

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margaret wrote:More worries than ever panda!  

Hi margaret, we all know Kennedy of Everest Windows had the money paid to him and "washed it "in one of his holding companies so i reckon the McCanns have a tidy bit stashed away.  The Directors only have a liability of £1 in the event of bankruptcy, they thought of everything . If Amaral wins that wil be some consolation and i reckon the McCanns will go and live in Canada.

Why on earth would the Canadians want them? Their medical reputation is tish... right down the loo. Kate hasn't worked since she certificated three bodies as a locum whilst carrying Madeleine's cuddle cat and then went on holiday in the same clothes. As for Dr Gerry, he uses his hospital post as a part time job while he sits on Quangos and practices flip chart presentations....
I wouldn't want to have either of them prescribing for me...

I was just watching a programme about Canada's border control officers.

They're very fussy as to who they let in!

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MaryB wrote:I think we might be in for a surprise.  Quite what it is I'm not sure.  I wonder if the judge will defer a decision until the outcome of the re-investigation.  I can't see Mr Amaral having to pay them £1.2m.  But who knows.

Hi Mary B....are you any good at finding stuff? if so,it would be good to read  the 4 theories in the Final Report . That is really all that the Judge can go by, I don't think there is a Jury . I hope the Mccanns are not allowed to be "assistentes" That is a wierd set up, normally the Lawyer leads the Witnesses.

The request to become 'assistentes' has nothing whatsoever to do with the libel trial.

Explain exactly what the role is then Claudia , if it is nothing to do with the Libel Trial , what are the Mccanns there for?

The request to become 'assistentes' is connected to the reopening of the case and its investigation. Nothing to do with the libel trial.

thanks, so they couldn't wait for the Trial to be over....more grandstanding.!!!

It's completely independent from the libel trial. Of course that if they want to become assistentes it makes sense that they do it soon after the investigation is re-opened

pennylane wrote:

Panda wrote:

pennylane wrote:To this day, we are still learning of ways the infamous doctors' McCann harmed the search for Madeleine.


Dr Amaral will win the Libel trial!

I know WE know what the McCanns are like, but the Judge might see things differently and think the McCanns have been villified , especially the Express suggesting these upstanding Doctors were "swingers".  Also, after over 6 years with not a single sighting of Madeleine , that she was abducted for sex and then killed. That is too far fetched for me , you don't just wander into a Holiday Resort and pick out a pretty little girl to snatch.

I have complete faith in the judge, Panda.  She's not a dodgy member of the British establishment, and has shown throughout this trial, that she is astute, knowledgeable, and has a direct, no-nonsense approach to the pathetic, ill-informed rubbish being spouted by the McCanns witnesses.  Dr Amaral doesn't have to prove what happened to Madeleine, he only has to prove he didn't harm the search, and thus far, the McCanns have not established a shred of proof that he has in any way, remotely, harmed the search for the child they so heinously let down!

In fact it's the other way around. They have to prove the book harmed the search.

A million to one that Amaral will win.

1) Everything in the book is in the files

2) The book is based on opinion, and Amaral should be entitled to his opinion

3) No evidence other than hearsay and a social worker (not psychologist) on the McCann's claims of distress

4) The book clearly has not hindered the search as there are two open investigations and numerous false sightings

5) The judge's own words sway me that she is not buying the claims

6) The McCann's refusal to go on the witness stand speaks volumes about their alleged distress

7) There is no way a book can cause more distress than a child going missing, unless the people are complete psycopaths and more concerned about their reputations than their daughter's well being

8) The McCanns were ill-advised to take on this legal action, and even further ill-advised to continue with it when Amaral refused to settle

9) Amaral's theory still makes the most sense and fits the evidence better than any other theory

10) Several of the McCann witnesses have actually done more harm than good

jinvta wrote:A million to one that Amaral will win.

1) Everything in the book is in the files

2) The book is based on opinion, and Amaral should be entitled to his opinion

3) No evidence other than hearsay and a social worker (not psychologist) on the McCann's claims of distress

4) The book clearly has not hindered the search as there are two open investigations and numerous false sightings

5) The judge's own words sway me that she is not buying the claims

6) The McCann's refusal to go on the witness stand speaks volumes about their alleged distress

7) There is no way a book can cause more distress than a child going missing, unless the people are complete psycopaths and more concerned about their reputations than their daughter's well being

8) The McCanns were ill-advised to take on this legal action, and even further ill-advised to continue with it when Amaral refused to settle

9) Amaral's theory still makes the most sense and fits the evidence better than any other theory

10) Several of the McCann witnesses have actually done more harm than good

Excellent response "jinvta" - I particularly like point 7)

I think this ploy by Kate to suggest that after 6 years she is still traumatized will prove a cheap shot and the McCanns are definitely worried . Also, their Portugese Lawyer will play on the fact that Amaral was dismissed , I can't remember why. To my mind neither party can prove anything about what happened to Madeleine , unless SY find the abductor who confesses in the next 3 meeks......as if. 

You never know, Gerry might.


Mr amaral was dismissed because he criticised the British police.

kitti wrote:You never know, Gerry might.


Mr amaral was dismissed because he criticised the British police.

And because Gordon Brown was involved, kitti...

kitti wrote:You never know, Gerry might.


Mr amaral was dismissed because he criticised the British police.

Morning kitti, I find that a poor reason to be honest. Where was the loyalty of the Portugese Judiciary when they knew how Amaral was villified by the British Press? You might give the Officer a warning, but Amaral was a senior Detective in charge of the case .

Has GA's book stayed true to the PJ's findings? And apparently
it has been confirmed as so in court. Then we can only deduce
that because TM has not, nor were unable to sue the PJ for any
libel, they must have went after the messenger(GA) as a target,
in order to silence any further PJ revelations and to extract a
heavy financial price from GA's commercial enterprise, his book.
I'm of the opinion that GA will win his Day in Court because to
loose would be tantamount to persecuting a messenger for the
libellous sins of the Portuguese justice system. And that will not
do.