Radio Silence from TM after Crime Watch

joyce1938 wrote:going back to DP visitng the macs flat ,I think you will find his wife also claimed she went back with km at around 7pm ,its in files I have read somewhere that's a new one so all 3 were there at some point ? joyce1938

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Gaspar.htm

I examined once again the declarations of Fiona Payne. In her depositions, she states that she went to the McCann apartment, around 19H00, on the 3rd of May, together with Kate. She states afterwards that, 10 minutes later, the husband arrived; it is not clear which husband she refers to.

Her responses to the questions are vague. She continued to respond to questions with "they conform with my earlier deposition" or some similar statement.

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that's pretty odd. She says she went to the apt with Kate at 7? Kate took the kids and went back with Gerry at 530 and bathed them etc then he went to play tennis. That's their story.

I think it's pretty obvious the "the husband" refers to Payne.

Fiona was not a pediatrician - was Payne?

comperedna wrote:I have no idea about Portugal, but in the UK lie detector tests are, at least in court, where they are inadmissable, felt to be little better than mumbo jumbo. Americans who keep on about KM and GM not having taken them are culturally off beam. Here they do not come into the picture of criminal trials, or the investigation of cases at all. They would be given no credence, 'pass' or 'fail', and of course KM and GM would not take them.

But yet they offered to take one and put so many conditions on it that it could not be done with any accuracy.

It's not the result of the LDT it is the whole scenario around that.

Looking at some statistics now rather than cherry picking anecdotal cases, it is interesting and depressing all at once. It's not just that "the most dangerous place is the home" or "the most likely people to harm a child are her family" but actual numbers. It presents a rather chilling case when you look at what the PJ thinks did happen - or may have happened - compared to what typically happens.

England and Wales have a lot of crime statistics available on line about how people die, who kills them, where, with what and for what reason, and at what age.

I also looked at US statistics although they won't be the same I think in some ways they track. For instance in the top ten ways for a child to die, the top three are accidental - drowning, car accident and the likes. 4th is homicide. Accidental falls are on the list of the top ten however  - at number ten.

You could almost build a case for what did happen based on what would be most likely to happen then rule things out when they don't fit.

the incidence of "intimate" violence is alarming especially when you see that it goes unreported about 8 times out of ten. It is especially uncommon for people to admit to it under face to face interview.

There are also statistics that go in Mccanns favor - I think. Women who have a degree or credential are much less likely to be physically assaulted, for instance, by their partner. Probably because they have other financial options besides staying with an abuser. I didn't see any that tracked to how likely they would be as a group (educated people) to abuse a child but they seem less likely to report domestic violence - maybe because when it happens people aren't on the phone to the cops as they would be if it happened in a low income area where you can hear what is going on in someone else's place - or maybe it's too embarrassing.

Appearances play such a role for some people that they would be less likely to report? Drugs and alcohol are very often involved in any case.

Statistics are funny though. The same place we get the notion that parents are the most likely killers, we get the notion that educated well off people are less likely to be among the victims - hence, doctors wouldn't do that.

other people than parents do kill children (more often than they die of falls in fact) and educated people do abuse and suffer abuse. It's just not the statistically likely scenario.