"Investigate the incinerated body thesis" - Goncalo Amaral

Joana Morais has posted a short transcript of Mr. Amaral's interview on this topic from the Correio da Manha Special "Maddie, the Mystery".

www.joana-morais.blogspot.com

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It works for me.

This is the first I've read about someone seeing people leaving 5a with a bag ... in the night ... and going into the church.

Wintabells wrote:This is the first I've read about someone seeing people leaving 5a with a bag ... in the night ... and going into the church.

Blue tennis bag perhaps.

I can't be sure of the exact details, but I seem to remember talk of possible incineration with the body of another deceased person about a month after Madeleine was reported missing. If this happened three weeks after, that would tie in with the dog alert to the rented car and the theory that Madeleine's little body had been refrigerated prior to cremation. I can't be more precise about the date but I'm sure this theory was mentioned years ago.

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Good article from The Resident.

Many thanks to "fred" for the link to that excellent article. It is a good summary of how the UK press is determined to ignore the political interference and demonise anything that conflicts with the McCanns' version of events. It is mindboggling how the press have continued to support the abduction myth without any evidence of such; although lately there has been a trend towards "disappearance".

Earlier I commented on my memory of the cremation theory. I don't think this was as early as the Mirror forum; more likely it was discussed on 3A's. Hard to believe it's been almost nine years; my memory is not as clear as it was then. I dare say the McCanns were counting on all those who questioned their 'story' back in the early days would eventually move on to something else, or die off. Thankfully they haven't been able to kill the internet and more and more people have become suspicious of their involvement surrounding Madeleine's death and subsequent disappearance.

Also a good reason the McCanns held KEYS to the Church !! obviously not just to Pray...hmm

I was beginning to think that things had ground to a halt, but this news sounds promising.

I'm back to thinking about Rev. Hubbard and his wife again. As the McCanns were described as Catholics, I remember back then thinking it odd that they formed such a close relationship with the Anglican clergyman to the extent that they were attending his services. I remember too, I think it was a year or so after Madeleine's 'disappearance' while on a visit to Canada to spend time with Kate's aunt, they also visited with the Hubbards who were residing in Canada at the time. It makes me wonder if the Hubbards might have played a crucial role in facilitating the disappearance of Madeleine's body if in fact Rev. Hubbard conducted the funeral service for the other deceased person.

What happens in Portugal with the remains of a person cremated - are they returned to family ?

mossman wrote:What happens in Portugal with the remains of a person cremated - are they returned to family ?

I don't know what the procedure is in Portugal; but I do know that I've seen a picture of the McCanns' mantel which contained an object which might be considered to be an "urn".

mossman wrote:What happens in Portugal with the remains of a person cremated - are they returned to family ?

It is like the UK you can choose to keep the ashes or have them spread in the garden of peace in the grave yard. Cremation is a pretty new thing until the past few years it was usually a grave in the cemetary.

fred wrote:

mossman wrote:What happens in Portugal with the remains of a person cremated - are they returned to family ?

It is like the UK you can choose to keep the ashes or have them spread in the garden of peace in the grave yard. Cremation is a pretty new thing until the past few years it was usually a grave in the cemetary.

Thank you Fred.

Ok, so now I've caught up a bit, it seems that there's a theory that Madeleine's body was put into the same coffin as that of an elderly woman who had died and was then cremated. Seems completely crazy to me, but there was certainly something very fishy about the McCanns constant visiting of the church. I clearly remember seeing footage of them entering, or exiting the church and Kate was extremely keen not to open the door too widely. It struck me as most peculiar.

interested wrote:I'm back to thinking about Rev. Hubbard and his wife again.  As the McCanns were described as Catholics, I remember back then thinking it odd that they formed such a close relationship with the Anglican clergyman to the extent that they were attending his services.  I remember too, I think it was a year or so after Madeleine's 'disappearance' while on a visit to Canada to spend time with Kate's aunt, they also visited with the Hubbards who were residing in Canada at the time.  It makes me wonder if the Hubbards might have played a crucial role in facilitating the disappearance of Madeleine's body if in fact Rev. Hubbard conducted the funeral service for the other deceased person.

I agree with you. Rev Hubbard in later times was very upset and said that this had ruined him. What did he mean? He hotfootede it out of PDL pretty sharpish and hasn't been seen or heard of since. I have never ever known a priest or vicar to give the keys to the church to anyone who was not connected with the church. I am firmly of the belief that the poor old lady, lying in her coffin in the church and her family were unwitting pawns in this charade. I believe that Madeleine?s little body was beneath that of the old lady and they were both cremated together. You wouldn't disturb a body to look to see if there was anything else in the coffin and why would you??

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interested wrote:I'm back to thinking about Rev. Hubbard and his wife again.  As the McCanns were described as Catholics, I remember back then thinking it odd that they formed such a close relationship with the Anglican clergyman to the extent that they were attending his services.  I remember too, I think it was a year or so after Madeleine's 'disappearance' while on a visit to Canada to spend time with Kate's aunt, they also visited with the Hubbards who were residing in Canada at the time.  It makes me wonder if the Hubbards might have played a crucial role in facilitating the disappearance of Madeleine's body if in fact Rev. Hubbard conducted the funeral service for the other deceased person.

I agree with you. Rev Hubbard in later times was very upset and said that this had ruined him. What did he mean? He hotfootede it out of PDL pretty sharpish and hasn't been seen or heard of since. I have never ever known a priest or vicar to give the keys to the church to anyone who was not connected with the church. I am firmly of the belief that the poor old lady, lying in her coffin in the church and her family were unwitting pawns in this charade. I believe that Madeleine?s little body was beneath that of the old lady and they were both cremated together. You wouldn't disturb a body  to look to see if there was anything else in the coffin and why would you??

Wasn't it Father Pacheco who was ruined, he said he was betrayed by the McCanns and he later retired? Rev Hubbard and his wife Old Mother Hubbard were going round PDL putting pressure on witnesses to contact Kate.
I agree with the body of the old lady, it could have been easily done, all the funerals I have attended in Portugal have been an open coffin, but there was always a thick lace sheet covering the body, sometimes people would pull it down slightly to see the face of the deceased, but I never saw it taken off below further than the face, so it is highly possible that Madeleine could have been placed there.

You are right, Fred. It was Father Pacheo who felt betrayed and said he was ruined. My mistake. The Hubbards were intent on drumming up support for the ghastly duo.