on discovering madeleine not there

Why did Kate McCann run to the Tapas Bar on discovering Maddie was missing instead of

- knocking on jane tanner's door next door who she knew was in to a) see if madeleine wandered there or b) ask her to look after the twins for a minute so she could go and contact the others? or ask her to or use her mobile

what if the abductor or more than one or some mad murderer was hiding round the corner? how did she decide to leave the other kids unattended

people say in a state of panic you do all sorts, you dont know what you would do in any situation, people are different, but if she knew instantly maddie had been abducted how was she sure the other kids were not still at risk from an unknown assailant

amethyst wrote:Why did Kate McCann run to the Tapas Bar on discovering Maddie was missing instead of

- knocking on jane tanner's door next door who she knew was in to a) see if madeleine wandered there or b) ask her to look after the twins for a minute so she could go and contact the others? or ask her to or use her mobile

what if the abductor or more than one or some mad murderer was hiding round the corner? how did she decide to leave the other kids unattended

people say in a state of panic you do all sorts, you dont know what you would do in any situation, people are different, but if she knew instantly maddie had been abducted how was she sure the other kids were not still at risk from an unknown assailant

She acted very strange indeed, but when did she ever react in a normal way? But that's not your point, is it. I do think that in this case panic set in, and she couldn't think rationally anymore. Or, another possibility, she knew there was no abductor, and she could ealisy leave the twins alone. The only thing that had to happen was run to the restaurant so that other people could here her screaming and have the panic complete, so that everybody would come in the appartment to search, contaminating all the evidence.....

if you find one of your children gone, even with panic, you dont leave the others alone if you think/know a stranger took her

amethyst wrote:if you find one of your children gone, even with panic, you dont leave the others alone if you think/know a stranger took her

That's exactly my point, she must have known there was no abductor.

ok sorry i thought you meant that it was possible that panic set in that she would have left without thinking
- panic or no no parent would have left like that possibly endangering the other children

tyra wrote:She ran to her husband, apparently shouting all the way, after checking the apartment, I have no idea what I might have done in the circumstances but I presume that her actions are well within the realms of expected behaviour, I have to admit to not thinking her actions seem even slightly odd in the context.

running to a husband? but leaving your kids behind after you KNOW there has been an abduction? yes ok

is that a mother's instinct kicking in? leaving her other kids behind? give me abreak tyra

She could off rang him!

She could off picked the twins up and took them with her!

She could off shouted from the balcony!

She could off ran upstairs to tanner!

She could off asked tanner to come down and look after the twins whilst she ran to the tapas!



BUT SHE DIDNT DO ANY OFF THESE THINGS BECAUSE SHE KNEW THERE WAS NO ABDUCTOR!!!!!

tyra wrote:

amethyst wrote:

tyra wrote:She ran to her husband, apparently shouting all the way, after checking the apartment, I have no idea what I might have done in the circumstances but I presume that her actions are well within the realms of expected behaviour, I have to admit to not thinking her actions seem even slightly odd in the context.

running to a husband? but leaving your kids behind after you KNOW there has been an abduction? yes ok

is that a mother's instinct kicking in? leaving her other kids behind? give me abreak tyra

That's a little brusque if you don't mind me saying.

Which part bothers you, that she ran to her husband instead of having the alleged presence of mind to run to her friends apartment, or that she left the apartment at all, she was probably gone for no more than a moment, probably wasn't thinking straight and had apparently already checked the apartment.

Mothers instinct would be screaming find Madeleine, find my child that is in danger, what part of her actions contradicts that mothers instinct, to your mind?

that she left them after believing that an abductor had been in god knows when and stole her daughter

i take it you think it is ok that she left the 2 remaining children - she knew that they would be safe did she??? jane tanner was 2 secs of her effort , going to tapas bar was 1 minute or so

tyra wrote:

kitti wrote:She could off rang him!

She could off picked the twins up and took them with her!

She could off shouted from the balcony!

She could off ran upstairs to tanner!

She could off asked tanner to come down and look after the twins whilst she ran to the tapas!



BUT SHE DIDNT DO ANY OFF THESE THINGS BECAUSE SHE KNEW THERE WAS NO ABDUCTOR!!!!!

So running 'upstairs to tanner' to your mind would have been acceptable, but running towards her husband is unacceptable? You have a very narrow belief of what is appropriate and what is not.

I agree, she could have done any of those things and any of them would be pretty acceptable.

whatever you say its a fact, she thought her daugher was taken, and she left her 2 2 year olds alone without making sure they woudl be ok ie by asking tanner to look after them or rining the restaraunt on her mobile. how did she know they would be ok? are you serious?

what are you serious about? that is was aceptable/understandable about the mother leaving her children alone in running to her husband? when she KNEW one of them had been abdcuted oh purleeeeeeeese

tyra wrote:

amethyst wrote:what are you serious about? that is was aceptable/understandable about the mother leaving her children alone in running to her husband? when she KNEW one of them had been abdcuted oh purleeeeeeeese

yes I'm serious, for about the fourth time, yes, i think in that situation kates behaviour seems pretty understandable and straightforward.

so you are saying she has witnessed/believed her daughter was abducted and she didnt think her other kids were in any other danger? how could she have known???

as a mother she would calculate the risk instead of leaving them surely

so she was right to NOT ask her next door neighbout but run and not PHONE to her husband? okey dokey

a mother whose child had fallen in the pond and her others lyng in a safe buggy nowhere near it is not the same as an abducted daughter and her mother leaving them in the same place - please dont insult my intelligence............she didnt know who had been in who was still around -that s all

There was so much strange behaviour among that group of people, IMO, that this is just one more piece of weirdness. Most people use their brain, even in an emergency, and I'd have thought that was especially true for doctors. But there you go ... my faith in doctors has been sadly dented by this case.

Dimsie wrote:There was so much strange behaviour among that group of people, IMO, that this is just one more piece of weirdness. Most people use their brain, even in an emergency, and I'd have thought that was especially true for doctors. But there you go ... my faith in doctors has been sadly dented by this case.

I agree Dimsie. This is for me anyway one of the first clues that something wasnt right. So. You go into a holiday apartment and find one of your children missing... your first thought is she has been taken by someone.. WHY THEN would you leave your other 2 children there and run across the complex and leave your other 2 children alone. You simply wouldnt do that.

NP

Why did Kate McCann run to the Tapas Bar on discovering Maddie was missing instead of

- knocking on jane tanner's door next door

Sorry NP, but I thought the MO family was next door.. :Spy:

tyra wrote:

kitti wrote:She could off rang him!

She could off picked the twins up and took them with her!

She could off shouted from the balcony!

She could off ran upstairs to tanner!

She could off asked tanner to come down and look after the twins whilst she ran to the tapas!



BUT SHE DIDNT DO ANY OFF THESE THINGS BECAUSE SHE KNEW THERE WAS NO ABDUCTOR!!!!!

So running 'upstairs to tanner' to your mind would have been acceptable, but running towards her husband is unacceptable? You have a very narrow belief of what is appropriate and what is not.

I agree, she could have done any of those things and any of them would be pretty acceptable.

UPSTAIRS IS NEARER THAN THE TAPAS BAR!!!

You would go with your instincts..and being a mother i would pick up my other babies and RUN as fast as i can OUT off that building!

kitti wrote:You would go with your instincts..and being a mother i would pick up my other babies and RUN as fast as i can OUT off that building!

I don't know what I would do, but one thing I WOULDN't do is leave the window and the shutters open with the twins still there. And I think I know the reason why she left them open when she ran out.

Christine wrote:

kitti wrote:You would go with your instincts..and being a mother i would pick up my other babies and RUN as fast as i can OUT off that building!

I don't know what I would do, but one thing I WOULDN't do is leave the window and the shutters open with the twins still there. And I think I know the reason why she left them open when she ran out.

Perhaps she was hoping he would come back and take the other two!!!

A Mother's instinct is to protect her children not leave them in danger, if Kate thought that an abductor had taken Madeleine would Kate really leave the Twin's on their own!, the so called abductor could have been lurking about and gone back in and taken the Twin's as well, why not shout from the Apartment balcony after all it was like having dinner in your own back garden! Gerry's word's.

tyra wrote:

Dimsie wrote:There was so much strange behaviour among that group of people, IMO, that this is just one more piece of weirdness. Most people use their brain, even in an emergency, and I'd have thought that was especially true for doctors. But there you go ... my faith in doctors has been sadly dented by this case.

Is this what it comes down to in the end between so called pros and so called anti's? Having different expectations of behaviours, I'm struggling to see what the issue is, kate's behaviour seems pretty straightforward in the circumstances , to me, and at no point on reading the account did I think, that's a weird thing to do. She searched the apartment and raised the alarm, I mean it's not like she didn't search the apartment or didn't raise the alarm!

No one said she didnt search or raise the alarm, what are you on about?

The problem is that she knew there was an abduction, therefore an abductor - or more than one - or worse than an abductor - would not have known for a fact they were still not around - who they were or what motive was - i realise now its been pointed out there was no one next door and i was mistaken - so i guess her only option was to run to somewhere people were - yes jane's room was nearer than the bar - i guess its a point when you panic you do things which later on might not seen the best option - granted - you feel helpless - why not shout and scream from the balcony for anyone - mrs fenn would have heard her! - i think leaving the 2 babies to me is strange in the whole context, that is my opinion - might not mean diddly squat - just explaining where i am coming from

virgo wrote:

Christine wrote:

kitti wrote:You would go with your instincts..and being a mother i would pick up my other babies and RUN as fast as i can OUT off that building!

I don't know what I would do, but one thing I WOULDN't do is leave the window and the shutters open with the twins still there. And I think I know the reason why she left them open when she ran out.

hiya christine
please tell why did she leave the window open,when she ran out.?

The open window was evidence of an abduction, the more people saw it the better. So the abduction theory was more important then the twins getting a cold or something.

Kate didn't need to run any where, she was dining in her back garden, just like a lot of parents do, she was 50 paces from the Tapas Bar,in full view of Madeleines bedroom, so all she needed to do was step out on to the verandah from the unlocked patio door, and say in her normal voice, "Gerry, Madeleine has been abducted" Gerry would then stand up from his nosh, and walk the 50 paces to the apartment, which is still in full view of course, he would then say "Yes Kate, she has gone" And low and behold the birth of an abuduction is born!


Yeah!! See how stupid this theory is, yet this is the crap that the British Media have been feeding us since May 4th. Has anyone questioned it? (Well apart from on here of course?)

fred wrote:Kate didn't need to run any where, she was dining in her back garden, just like a lot of parents do, she was 50 paces from the Tapas Bar,in full view of Madeleines bedroom, so all she needed to do was step out on to the verandah from the unlocked patio door, and say in her normal voice, "Gerry, Madeleine has been abducted" Gerry would then stand up from his nosh, and walk the 50 paces to the apartment, which is still in full view of course, he would then say "Yes Kate, she has gone" And low and behold the birth of an abuduction is born!


Yeah!! See how stupid this theory is, yet this is the crap that the British Media have been feeding us since May 4th. Has anyone questioned it? (Well apart from on here of course?)

Fred, that is absolutely the truth of the whole sorry saga! No one in the media seems to see through their transparent bullsh*t!!

Alpine Aster wrote:A Mother's instinct is to protect her children not leave them in danger, if Kate thought that an abductor had taken Madeleine would Kate really leave the Twin's on their own!, the so called abductor could have been lurking about and gone back in and taken the Twin's as well, why not shout from the Apartment balcony after all it was like having dinner in your own back garden! Gerry's word's.

No way any mother would leave her children in a situation of danger, her first instinct would be to protect them. Panic is not a valid excuse. If a mother found herself in that situation, the adrenaline would start pumping and she would find the energy to carry both of them in her arms if need be. But Kate had to run to the Tapas Bar because that was part of the script, so that everyone would be a witness to the drama unfolding. Only they forgot what to do with the twins. As they were improvising and were not really experiencing the emotions of parents who have found their daughter missing, they kind of goofed it.