Re: Why would G&K choose Fiona Payne

**ann_chovey** Fri 22 Jan - 11:50

Beattie wrote:
ann_chovey wrote:
Beattie wrote:Hobnob

I don"t subscribe to the pedophile theory and think it was an accidental death. Gerry had just been awarded
a Grant from the British Heart Foundation and had Political ambitions so would have not wanted the bad publicity. Someone on a Blog I was reading the other day asked the question "Why did the McCanns rent a Car
when they were going to Rome the following day?" Could it have been to dispose of the body by someone
else? I don"t know when they hired the Scenic, was it the day before they went to Rome?

Hi Beattie As I recall the Scenic was booked a few days previously, but by chance was only available the day before the Rome trip.

ann-chovey You"re like Leslie Welch "The Memory Man"....remember him? So, why would the McCanns pay for a day"s Hire when they didn"t need it? They wouldn"t pay for a baby sitting service. Food
for thought.

thanks Beattie, I can recall lots of little details about the McCanns, but can hardly remember what I had for tea yesterday! (yes I do remember him l.o.l.) Why would G&K choose Fiona Payne - Page 2 294124

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There was a shortage of bigger saloons I think and there were 2 Scenics rented out on a weekly basis , not by the day. I think the McCs ordered it the previous Wednesday, but the hire firm leased out Monday to Monday.

4timesanan Fri 22 Jan - 12:11

hello folks.. re. fiona..here is a good pic here 'textusa site' but i cant get image..so sorry i have tried...4xanan

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**ann_chovey** Fri 22 Jan - 12:20

4timesanan wrote:hello folks.. re. fiona..here is a good pic here 'textusa site' but i cant get image..so sorry i have tried...4xanan

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4timesanan Fri 22 Jan - 13:31

thankyou

hobnob Fri 22 Jan - 13:48

Actually Diane Webster was with them on the courthouse steps. Russell O'B was the missing tapasnik. Funny that

Thanks for the correction Ann i knew one of them was missing.

**dazedandconfused** Fri 22 Jan - 13:57

I think along the same lines as you do hobnob. The unspeakable is the only reason they would, under no circumstances, want to report an accidental death because of what an autopsy would reveal. I think that's why the abductor is continually rammed down our throats as well, just on the million to one possibility that a body is ever found, then the evil abductor did whatever was done to it.

**ann_chovey** Fri 22 Jan - 14:18

hobnob wrote:
Actually Diane Webster was with them on the courthouse steps. Russell O'B was the missing tapasnik. Funny that

Thanks for the correction Ann i knew one of them was missing.

I remember DW particularly because she'd 'gone blonde' like her daughter, I hardly recognised her, and now KM is sporting a blonde bob too!

**T4two** Fri 22 Jan - 14:21

dazedandconfused wrote:I think along the same lines as you do hobnob. The unspeakable is the only reason they would, under no circumstances, want to report an accidental death because of what an autopsy would reveal. I think that's why the abductor is continually rammed down our throats as well, just on the million to one possibility that a body is ever found, then the evil abductor did whatever was done to it.

It was McCann who insisted from the beginning that it had been an abduction by a paedophile. The questions are: Why assume abduction to be the sole possibility? and, Why assume that a paedophile was involved? Was it simply to cause a shock/horror reaction that would claim the focus of attention over any questioning of the abduction thesis?

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dazedandconfused wrote:I think along the same lines as you do hobnob. The unspeakable is the only reason they would, under no circumstances, want to report an accidental death because of what an autopsy would reveal. I think that's why the abductor is continually rammed down our throats as well, just on the million to one possibility that a body is ever found, then the evil abductor did whatever was done to it.

It was McCann who insisted from the beginning that it had been an abduction by a paedophile. The questions are: Why assume abduction to be the sole possibility? and, Why assume that a paedophile was involved? Was it simply to cause a shock/horror reaction that would claim the focus of attention over any questioning of the abduction thesis?[/quote:

It was because that was the closest to the truth. Paedophilia looms large in this affair. IMO they are all paedos, and Brown is not supporting and protecting them, courtesy of the british taxpayer, out of the goodness of his heart. Birds of a feather stick together

duncanmac Fri 22 Jan - 14:55

The thing with Gerry, is he always tries to get his word in first so that he can say " I told you so "
If he feared the body was found he could always say :
Like on Panorama " Well I did say you would have to consider if the abductor sedated the twins"
Just like if the poor childs body had benn found to be subject to abuse " well I did say I thought she had been taken by Paedos"

We are not that thick though Gerry, are we.

joyce1938 Fri 22 Jan - 15:49

joyce1938, can i ask an odd question? is it possible that if k mac had an egg from a close friend in order to have it fertilized bi g mac to produce maddie,so the child is of great interest to more than one mother,i have known of person that did just that,complicates life maybe.

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4timesanan wrote:hello folks.. re. fiona..here is a good pic here 'textusa site' but i cant get image..so sorry i have tried...4xanan

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joyce1938 Sat 23 Jan - 15:18

joyce1938, its all so confusing re maddies parentage,maddie looks spitting image of her mother,if an egg was used,it would have to be a family member donation, if as we are told gerry IS her father also ,how can she be IVF?.unless they simply do not seem to be using the true DNA of maddie,seems a lot of controvasy about all these forensics,it may have all been messed up and no true dna has been unmixed from other samples? its just too odd.

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Viv, A while ago I met an English lady living in Faro and she thinks, along with others that Madeleine was
probably weighted down and thrown from nearby cliffs into the sea, and may never be found. If the NOTW had
advertised the reward in a Portugese paper there might have been a result, not much good advertising just in the U.K..

Gerry must have felt very confident Madeleine would never be found to want to plan events months ahead and would not want to promote the reward in case someone came forward with believable evidence.

**LJC** Tue 2 Feb - 14:21

hobnob wrote:It might have been an accidental death, we do not know and nor will we until the body is recovered and a post mortem done.
It is one of many theories and one that stands out purely because if it had been an accidental death they could have reported it as such and post mortems don't give an exact time death but an approximate one using the body temp in recent death depending on where the body is and the temperature it will give an approximate time give or take an hour or so. they could have claimed she died overnight and probably no one would be any the wiser. what we have top ask ourselves is why did Madeleines body have to disappear? why was it so vitally important that an autopsy must not be performed? What would the autopsy have revealed that couldn't be explained away?
sedation? heck kids drink medicines all the time so they could have claimed she drank medicine and they didn't know and she died during the night, a tragedy but they wouldn't go to jail as accidents can happen.
A fall? again accidents can happen, she had a fall and banged her head bit of a nosebleed but no obvious head injury and they being doctors would know what to look for and again a tragic accident.
Were there signs of assault that couldn't be explained away as an accident? had she been punched fell and smashed her head? that would take some explaining and were there signs of previous physical abuse? scars bruises that couldn't be explained and the normal rough and tumble of toddlers?
then there is the worst case scenario... there is no way in hell that could be explained away and it would show up in a post mortem.
There was obviously something so damaging to kate and gerry that they couldn't have an autopsy done, something so damaging that they were prepared to be called child neglectors and risk a court case. better to be known as a neglector than what?
The whole group are involved in the cover up in someway since i know of no parent in the same situation who wouldn't be suspicious of the people who had checked on the kids prior to her disappearing.
One was apparantly with a sick child, others allegedly went into the apartment. A normal parent would be demanding they be questioned to see if they could have done it and there would always be that suspicion even if the cops said there was no real proof that they were involved.
Why are they so sure their pals weren't involved? they are certain about their friends because kate and gerry know exactly what happened.
The friends all know if not exactly what happened they will still have a good idea and for what ever reason joined forces to assist with the cover up.
Diane Webster may be the only one who doesn't really know what happened but she will have her suspicions. she is noticeable by her absence in the photos taken outside the old bailey when the tapas 7 got damages, she doesn't seem to have been part of the inner circle more the gooseberry

Yes, I have thought long and hard about this too, but I do seriously think that it was accidental and it goes back to the night of 1st May when Mrs Fenn heard her crying for 75 minutes. Because they are doctors (and it is on record from their own GP that there is no medical record for Madeleine apart from immunisations) then it is right to assume they always treated mishaps/illness themselves. I believe they did so again this time. I have always believed it was a head injury with accompanying nosebleed on the 1st, thus they had time to clean up meticulously. If they failed to get her a hospital scan and went out again the following night leaving her alone, and the night after, before she relapsed from her injury, that would be very damming and would cost them dearly their jobs and reputations. They could not explain away in the terms you promote because Mrs Fenn has blown their cover.

At the end of the day they are 'respectable' doctors and thus have been getting away with not taking her to her own GP for far too long, as no-one would ever doubt they could not treat their own children's ailments and injuries.

However, I do tend to agree that there are additional reasons as well as to why they did not get her hospital treatment for her accidental injury, or indeed have never taken her to the doctor's apart from immunisations, and do not discount sexual abuse as that reason.

Therefore, coupled together, her fatality had to be covered up.

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