Tea is served

From Kate's Statement for morning of 3rd May

"She noticed a stain, supposedly of tea, on Madeleine's pyjama top, which she washed a little later that same morning. She hung it to dry on a small stand, and it was dry by the afternoon. Madeleine sometimes drank tea; the stain did not appear during breakfast, maybe it happened another day, as Madeleine did not have tea the previous night and the stain was dry".

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Is it me or what? The stain is noticed on the Thursday morning and its a dry stain. You are due to go home a couple of days later. You are on holiday.

Call me dirty if you like, but what harm would a dry tea stain do on a pyjama top for a couple more days, especially when Madeleine must have slept in it previously with the stain still there, and came to no harm by it.

I mean, I personally don't go away to wash clothes. I might sponge a tea stain off daytime wear but I would only wash clothes on holiday if there was absolutely no choice i.e. the stain was smelly/oily/or of something that had germs in it like accidental dog mess stain. I would not worry about a minor tea stain on a pyjama top.

Of course, it could have been something else other than tea, to explain the fact it was washed? Blood maybe?

More to the point....why mention it?

Just another example of Madeleine being alive or is it something that could have created and issue and therefore explain it beforehand?

never considered that the McCs would give their children tea to drink anyway, especially in the morning. See them more as cereal/fruit juice types, something quick to get them all out the door and kids in creche asap. Plus, in Portugal the milk would prob be UHT which is an acquired taste for Brits. and does nothing for a cup of tea. That's why they drink more coffee.

But, yes, you would sponge a stain if at all. Plus the weather hadn't been that good (Thursday was the exception, so perhaps KM decided to do a little hand washing) and if Maddie needed the pjs for evening , to wash it through, well maybe it wouldn't have dried.

LJC wrote:From Kate's Statement for morning of 3rd May

"She noticed a stain, supposedly of tea, on Madeleine's pyjama top, which she washed a little later that same morning. She hung it to dry on a small stand, and it was dry by the afternoon. Madeleine sometimes drank tea; the stain did not appear during breakfast, maybe it happened another day, as Madeleine did not have tea the previous night and the stain was dry".




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Is it me or what? The stain is noticed on the Thursday morning and its a dry stain. You are due to go home a couple of days later. You are on holiday.

Call me dirty if you like, but what harm would a dry tea stain do on a pyjama top for a couple more days, especially when Madeleine must have slept in it previously with the stain still there, and came to no harm by it.

I mean, I personally don't go away to wash clothes. I might sponge a tea stain off daytime wear but I would only wash clothes on holiday if there was absolutely no choice i.e. the stain was smelly/oily/or of something that had germs in it like accidental dog mess stain. I would not worry about a minor tea stain on a pyjama top.

Of course, it could have been something else other than tea, to explain the fact it was washed? Blood maybe?

I would never call you dirty!!! I wouldn't wash clothes whilst on holiday unless it was absolutely essential like running out of knickers!!! Why make such an issue of this "tea" stain when they were quite content to put dirty smelly nappies in the boot of the Scenic which apparentlyu stunk the place out. No, if anyone is the mucky one around here it certainly ain't you or I. The finger is pointing at KM.

If it had been me (and many other mothers, I suspect), I would just have packed the tea-stained PJ top into the dirty washing bag, for laudering when I got home, and have my child sleep in a T-shirt instead.

I still do that with my nine year old, his pajamas don't always match, especially if he has dropped something on his top during morning breakfast. Instead of having to wash the whole set, that might have been fresh on the night before, I just put the PJ top in for laundry, and give him a fresh T-shirt to pair up with his jammie bottoms.

IMO this is definately a pre-emptive strike by the McCanns about something they were afraid would come out, and they wanted to get their version in first. Ranks up there with the bead in the hair thingy, we don't know yet what its all about, but they are covering up yet again.

ann_chovey wrote:never considered that the McCs would give their children tea to drink anyway, especially in the morning. See them more as cereal/fruit juice types, something quick to get them all out the door and kids in creche asap. Plus, in Portugal the milk would prob be UHT which is an acquired taste for Brits. and does nothing for a cup of tea. That's why they drink more coffee.

But, yes, you would sponge a stain if at all. Plus the weather hadn't been that good (Thursday was the exception, so perhaps KM decided to do a little hand washing) and if Maddie needed the pjs for evening , to wash it through, well maybe it wouldn't have dried.

You can buy fresh milk so that you don't have to have the UHT stuff.

I agree that Kate doesn't seem to be the sort of right-on yummy mummy that would let her children drink tea.

Oh know, organic pomegranate juice, or wheatgrass probably.

She's the sort of mother that stuffs her kids full of healthy food, but doesn't spend five minutes a day playing with them IMO

Too many superfluous details and elaborate explanations, tea stains, bottle of New Zealand wine etc. all make me feel instinctively uncomfortable. When my son lies (and he is 10) he tends to do the same thing, over explanations!! Of course it could be concluded that the 'tea stain' was something else entirely.

May I ask the color again of the piece of Madeleine's clothing which the dogs alerted?

Sean was seen wearing this tshirt

Thank you Hideho. So this t-shirt is the one alerted to by the dogs. Sean was seen wearing it after Madeleine's disappearance. Why was the t-shirt not confiscated and kept by the police? Sometimes I feel so confused.

Jean-Luc wrote:Too many superfluous details and elaborate explanations, tea stains, bottle of New Zealand wine etc.

one of the many handicaps of the dishonest.

Well, it seems to me that they feel the need to explain why they washed the top. I mean to them it must have been relevant to think they had to explain it. Were they worried that the PJ would want to examine the pyjama top? Were these the same pair of pyjamas that Madeleine was wearing on the night time? If its the pair she disappeared in, why mention it? Were they afraid if she was found there would be something on the top so they decided to wash it?

It just seems a strange thing to want to tell the Police about.

LJC wrote:Well, it seems to me that they feel the need to explain why they washed the top. I mean to them it must have been relevant to think they had to explain it. Were they worried that the PJ would want to examine the pyjama top? Were these the same pair of pyjamas that Madeleine was wearing on the night time? If its the pair she disappeared in, why mention it? Were they afraid if she was found there would be something on the top so they decided to wash it?

It just seems a strange thing to want to tell the Police about.

dishonest people will add unnecessary detail. it's an attempt to comfort the other person.

Yes I agree Marky, too much information. Either to explain the possible finding of the pygamas or simply just typical lying pattern

Don't tea and blood stains have a similar chemistry? You use the same Stain Devils to get rid of both!

This reminds me of Mr Gerry telling us all about the Sea Bass, which can contain the same chemicals as cadaverine. They have a bloomin' answer for everything (or they think that they do).

Jean-Luc wrote:Thank you Hideho. So this t-shirt is the one alerted to by the dogs. Sean was seen wearing it after Madeleine's disappearance. Why was the t-shirt not confiscated and kept by the police? Sometimes I feel so confused.

Th dogs didn't alert until much later.

The Famous Grouse wrote:Don't tea and blood stains have a similar chemistry? You use the same Stain Devils to get rid of both!

This reminds me of Mr Gerry telling us all about the Sea Bass, which can contain the same chemicals as cadaverine. They have a bloomin' answer for everything (or they think that they do).

Gerry made that blog comment back in the beginning of June, a whole 2 months nearly before the dogs arrived, just checked on pamalam's blog - I don't think they were aware of cadaver dogs at the time,jmo

eta as for the tea stain story - i have no idea if it means anything or not - i think kate mccann was relaying what she did that day - it does seem unimportant detail though in light of the abduction

*dont know*

LJC wrote:From Kate's Statement for morning of 3rd May

"She noticed a stain, supposedly of tea, on Madeleine's pyjama top, which she washed a little later that same morning. She hung it to dry on a small stand, and it was dry by the afternoon. Madeleine sometimes drank tea; the stain did not appear during breakfast, maybe it happened another day, as Madeleine did not have tea the previous night and the stain was dry".

This doesn't even make sense, the stain wasn't there in the morning, but could have happened another day. How could it have happened another day if the stain wasn't there in the morning??

Blood or something unmentionable if you ask me, and here again why is this relevant for the morning of 3rd May, unless Maddie injured herself the night before hence the crying and they sedated her again on the 3rd which led to her demise??

margaret wrote:

LJC wrote:From Kate's Statement for morning of 3rd May

"She noticed a stain, supposedly of tea, on Madeleine's pyjama top, which she washed a little later that same morning. She hung it to dry on a small stand, and it was dry by the afternoon. Madeleine sometimes drank tea; the stain did not appear during breakfast, maybe it happened another day, as Madeleine did not have tea the previous night and the stain was dry".

This doesn't even make sense, the stain wasn't there in the morning, but could have happened another day. How could it have happened another day if the stain wasn't there in the morning??

Blood or something unmentionable if you ask me, and here again why is this relevant for the morning of 3rd May, unless Maddie injured herself the night before hence the crying and they sedated her again on the 3rd which led to her demise??

I think what Kate McCann meant by saying the stain did not appear during breakfast, was she spotted it at breakfast but that was not when it occurred, because she says the stain was dry. This is why I query why she decided to wash the top, because Madeleine must have been to bed in a stained top and what harm did it do - unless the stain was something other than tea! Anyway, as soon as Kate spotted it, the top had to be washed! As if she was afraid of the stain!

A 3 year old drinks TEA?!!!

I'll be damned, but that is a very nasty habit to subject a little toddler to.

Luz wrote:A 3 year old drinks TEA?!!!

I'll be damned, but that is a very nasty habit to subject a little toddler to.

Agreed. As I said previously on the old 3a's when this was discussed, what's next, chuck her a mars bar and a can of red bull?! I don't think so, as has been already stated, Kate seemed more like the organic milk and wholegrain bread mum (or so she'd maybe like us to believe).

MissBlonde wrote:

Luz wrote:A 3 year old drinks TEA?!!!

I'll be damned, but that is a very nasty habit to subject a little toddler to.

Agreed. As I said previously on the old 3a's when this was discussed, what's next, chuck her a mars bar and a can of red bull?! I don't think so, as has been already stated, Kate seemed more like the organic milk and wholegrain bread mum (or so she'd maybe like us to believe).

Actually, when my son was three, he liked to drink tea! He was also a very fussy eater. He would not eat cooked vegetables: they had to be raw and he ate a lot of them. He was the first vegetarian in the family as he spat out meat or fish when I was introducing solid food. He was so fussy that when he had to spend a few days in hospital, and the only food on offer was burgers and fish finger type food, I had to take all his food in, which was salads, cheese, sunflower seeds, fresh fruit and the only bread he would eat, my home-made wholemeal with pumpkin seeds. One of the nurses said she couldn't understand a child who wouldn't eat chips and who didn't like chocolate spread! But he did like his cup of tea!

AnnaEsse wrote:

MissBlonde wrote:

Luz wrote:A 3 year old drinks TEA?!!!

I'll be damned, but that is a very nasty habit to subject a little toddler to.

Agreed. As I said previously on the old 3a's when this was discussed, what's next, chuck her a mars bar and a can of red bull?! I don't think so, as has been already stated, Kate seemed more like the organic milk and wholegrain bread mum (or so she'd maybe like us to believe).

Actually, when my son was three, he liked to drink tea! He was also a very fussy eater. He would not eat cooked vegetables: they had to be raw and he ate a lot of them. He was the first vegetarian in the family as he spat out meat or fish when I was introducing solid food. He was so fussy that when he had to spend a few days in hospital, and the only food on offer was burgers and fish finger type food, I had to take all his food in, which was salads, cheese, sunflower seeds, fresh fruit and the only bread he would eat, my home-made wholemeal with pumpkin seeds. One of the nurses said she couldn't understand a child who wouldn't eat chips and who didn't like chocolate spread! But he did like his cup of tea!

Sorry, didn't mean to offend, we all do things differently - just wouldn't give my kids caffeine as they would be climbing the walls (they're hyper enough without it).

MissBlonde wrote:

AnnaEsse wrote:

MissBlonde wrote:

Luz wrote:A 3 year old drinks TEA?!!!

I'll be damned, but that is a very nasty habit to subject a little toddler to.

Agreed. As I said previously on the old 3a's when this was discussed, what's next, chuck her a mars bar and a can of red bull?! I don't think so, as has been already stated, Kate seemed more like the organic milk and wholegrain bread mum (or so she'd maybe like us to believe).

Actually, when my son was three, he liked to drink tea! He was also a very fussy eater. He would not eat cooked vegetables: they had to be raw and he ate a lot of them. He was the first vegetarian in the family as he spat out meat or fish when I was introducing solid food. He was so fussy that when he had to spend a few days in hospital, and the only food on offer was burgers and fish finger type food, I had to take all his food in, which was salads, cheese, sunflower seeds, fresh fruit and the only bread he would eat, my home-made wholemeal with pumpkin seeds. One of the nurses said she couldn't understand a child who wouldn't eat chips and who didn't like chocolate spread! But he did like his cup of tea!

Sorry, didn't mean to offend, we all do things differently - just wouldn't give my kids caffeine as they would be climbing the walls (they're hyper enough without it).

No offence taken! I used to give my son decaff tea if he wanted some in the evening! My daughter and I were talking about his Easter eggs yesterday. He used to come back from his dad's with a carrier bag full of them, but he actually didn't like chocolate very much. So, my daughter and I used to wait a few weeks for the sake of decency to see if he would suddenly want to eat the eggs, then we polished them off!

Luz wrote:A 3 year old drinks TEA?!!!

I'll be damned, but that is a very nasty habit to subject a little toddler to.

Well, if I'm honest, I hadn't really thought about whether its right or wrong for children that age to drink tea, I was merely pointing out the strangeness of taking the trouble to actually stand at the sink and wash the pyjama top just because there was a dried tea stain on it. Therefore, I just wondered the reason Kate did this and why even bother to mention it.

She did seem to have a thing about washing - I mean they go away for just one little week's holiday and they have to have the washing machine checked out by the maintenance people because it wasn't working properly, and Kate stands handwashing. Even cuddle cat was washed!

And, David Payne had to make the point of saying in his statement, when he called at their apartment on the night of the 3rd, how clean the children looked. I can't remember his exact words now, but he emphasised the cleaness of them for some strange reason.

I just don't know, its like they are all trying to say you'll find no stains here, not on the floor, not on the clothes, nowhere.