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http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/55336/Madeleine-police-files-going-public

Portuguese police files on the Madeleine McCann case are being made public
Monday August 4,2008
Thousands of pages of evidence assembled by the Portuguese detectives who investigated Madeleine McCann's disappearance are expected to be made public.

The police files from the exhaustive inquiry, which lasted more than 14 months, are being made available to journalists after the shelving of the case a fortnight ago.

Included in the mammoth dossier - said to run to 20,000 pages - are witness statements, transcripts of interviews with the McCanns and details of the lines of inquiry detectives pursued.

The files are being made public under Portuguese law after the lifting of the period of judicial secrecy in the case.

From today officials from the public prosecutor's office in the Algarve town of Portimao will copy the documents on to DVDs for reporters who have requested them.

Lawyers for Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, both 40, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were formally given access to the police files last week.

They are studying the dossier for fresh leads that the couple's private detectives can follow up in their own search for their daughter.

Until now Portugal's strict "segredo de justica" - or secrecy of justice - laws have limited the flow of information about the Madeleine inquiry.

The legislation is supposed to ban anyone linked to an ongoing police investigation from speaking about it, but it did not stop a series of leaks to Portuguese newspapers.

The McCanns repeatedly complained about restricted information being made public, and the couple believe there was a concerted smear campaign against them.

Just thought it was worth doing a brief summary of evidence to date gleaned from the files.

Updated as we go...

1. Cadaver dogs signalled at a number of places in the apartment and around the car (but re the latter, the only material found did not elicit the response). Blood dogs signalled in both the apartment and the car.

2. There was a 99.9% certain DNA match with Madeleine in the hire car - the Renault Scenic.
[This is my (and others') interpretation of press reports of the evidence file which refer to the match involving identification of 15 out of 19 DNA markers (the four outstanding being too degraded for analysis). However, this is a controversial area as the FSS issued a downbeat summary of the evidence. But that was couched in such general terms that it is difficult to see how it justifies the match being ignored. Clearly this matter cannot be fully resolved until we have access to the full evidence file.]

3. KMC refused to answer 48 questions put to her by PJ.

4. Among the questions asked of both GMC and KMC were questions enquiring as to whether they had considered relinquishing their parenting rights over Madeleine i.e. putting her up for guardianship by a relative, or for adoption. KMC refused to answer. GMC appears to have denied that was the case. Not clear what grounds the PJ had for asking this question.

5. MMC's bed appeared to be relatively undisturbed. Some accounts suggest there was no evidence of it having been slept in. Other accounts note the shape of a sleeping child. I wonder at the fact that the parents did not throw back the cover to look for signs of blood or a kidnap note.

6. From photographs it does appear that the window would be a difficult egress point. (However that is hardly of much relevance to the general credibility of an abduction scenario given there could be an accomplice.)

7. Kate and Gerry had a serious row on the night of 2nd May/morning of 3rd May. Kate slept in children's room. (Claims she slept in cot. But one poster suggests perhaps she slept with Maddy in her bed.)

8. Two doctors (one a close college friend of KMC) made a serious allegation about one of the Tapas 7 and GMC. The witness statement made early in May was not passed by UK Police to PJ for seven months, until Jan 08.

9. McCanns refused to return for reconstruction because they feared prosecution for negligence.

10. KMC threatened PJ with "government pressure" if they took her in for formal questioning.

11. Portugese Prosecutors produced an incredible "pro" summary of the evidence. They ruled out negligence charges on the basis that the McCanns had "suffered enough already". Interesting legal concept. Surely applies to all parents who lose their children as a result of negligence. [Do any Portugese commentators wish to add to this?]

12. Brian Kennedy approached Martin Smith key witness who had identified GMC carrying a child on 3rd May. Presumably he did so on behalf of the McCanns rather than himself (since he has not been accused of anything). [Personally I think witness statements dating from Sept 07 supposedly relating back to May 07 are worthless.]

Amaral wanted to have the Irishman return to Portugal for questioning re his later identification of the man carrying a child towards the beach on the night of Madeleine's disappearance. The PJ did include Martin Smith in the rogatory letters sent to the Home Office, but because of his domicile in the Republic of Ireland was not legally covered for re-questioning by the Leicestershire police.

13. There was some sort of large cold bag in the boot of the Scenic. Photos have appeared showing the bag. It appears to have some relevance to the DNA sampling but no confirmation on that yet.

14. Jane Tanner appears to have changed her evidence. Whereas on the Panorama programme (made with her co-operation and with respect to which she made no correction) Gerry McCann and Jes Wilkins were shown as standing on the other side of the road as she passed, her drawing of relative positions contained in the evidence file shows they were on the same side of the road. She must therefore have passed directly by them. However she has given no indication that she said hello to GMC - which if she did not is remarkable. JW denies seeing her. GMC has never said he saw her as far as we know.

Apparently JW now thinks he could have his back to the top of the road and so would not have seen "bundleman". Not really relevant in any case. But of course if he was talking to GMC one might expect GMC to be facing the other way in which case he too should have seen bundleman.

15. Frances Kennah, the Head of UK Central Authority,Home Office refused a request from PJ for details of GMC's ATM cards on the grounds that the request was disproportionate. (Homicide is clearly not considered a very important matter in the UK Central Authority.)

16. Katriona Baker, Maddy's personal nanny, stated that the McCanns did no searching for Madeleine on the night of 3rd/4th May. She also stated that Maddy became frightened and started crying when she was taken on a boat trip in PDL. Now appears that Maddy is confirmed by the nannies as being part of the boat trip party on morning of 3rd May. No confirmatory photos though. May be a lot more to add on the day's events.
Only fingerprints found on the window frame in Maddeleine's bedroom (the one with the infamous so-called jemmied shutter) were Kate McCann's. No sign of any abductor entering or exiting via that window!

17. Cuddlecat photographed as being on Madeleine's bed. No sign of any high shelf, as originally described by Kate McCann. However, it is not known whether she claims to have taken it down from the "high shelf" and then put it back on the bed where it would normally be found.

18. PJ were concerned about the four photographs of Madeleine said to have been downloaded from a digital camera and printed by Gerry McCann on the night of her disappearance on a printer at the Ocean Club. PJ maintain that they could not have been rinted there in that format. However: [Thanks to Paulo Reis] The printer used for the pictures of Madeleine belonged to a British member of the staff of Ocean Club. She brought it from her room to the reception. The pictures were printed using a memory card given to her by Russel O'Brien, around midnight. PJ wanted to check the printer, but she said that her boyfriend took it with him,to France. Anyway, experts from the PJ Laboratory considered that it was almost impossible to get a specific "fingerprint" from the pictures produced by that kind of printer.

19. Metodo 3, once hired, concentrated its early efforts on Robert Murat in its search for Madeleine, but the PJ found their evidence "speculative and without basis."

20. Rachael Mampilly Oldfield was the person who contacted the BBC, at around 2 a.m. on the morning of May 4th, to report the disappearance of Madeleine. No mention of the Sky TV contact.

21. KMC is reported by a Tapas 7 friend as hitting the wall in frustration at Maddy's disappearance. It is stated this caused bruising. No explanation of how far this bruising spread.

22. [Thanks to Paulo Reis] Gerry's fury: When GNR arrived, Gerry McCann walked to them, kneeled down and put both his hands in the ground, in the same position as a Muslim praying, and shouted twice, with rage in his voice, saying something that the witnesses close to them could not understand.




Clarrie nonsense shown to be rubbish:

1. Dutch sighting of Ms. Stam. Dutch Police did investigate and passed conclusions to PJ. Dutch Police ruled there was no possibility the girl in question was Madeleine. [Sure there will be more to follow on this - the fact that Dutch Police were certain about this, suggests perhaps the Dutch Police know something about Ms. Stam or her report that we don't. Can any Dutch posters help? Update: Disparaging posts about Ms. Stam have been left on a Dutch website by someone claiming to be a neighbour of hers. Not known if these are genuine.]

2. Two e fits - bloke staring at the Ocean resort - person traced. Barrington Gordon Norton.
Music teacher. Known in PDL. Nothing to link him with case.

3. Interpol confirm there is no credibility to the UK tip off of a Belgian paedo ring "ordering up" Maddy. Clarrie's attempt to imply this was ignored is shown to be a complete and utter pack of whatever.

4. Sky News' Greg Milam confirms that all CCTV "Maddy" images have been followed up by PJ and none have any credibility. While he reports this the CCTV still of a young girl that was used by UK press with the Miss Stam story was shown - suggesting that the coupling of that with the Stam story (on many websites and in newspapers) was indeed COMPLETELY BOGUS.

5. Even the McCanns are now reported as reluctant to commit to sightings. Hardly surprising given the history of such sightings.

Anything else to add? Briefly that is...

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=20751&start=0

Jacqui67 wrote:Just thought it was worth doing a brief summary of evidence to date gleaned from the files.

Updated as we go...

1. Cadaver dogs signalled at a number of places in the apartment and around the car (but re the latter, the only material found did not elicit the response). Blood dogs signalled in both the apartment and the car.

2. There was a 99.9% certain DNA match with Madeleine in the hire car - the Renault Scenic.
[This is my (and others') interpretation of press reports of the evidence file which refer to the match involving identification of 15 out of 19 DNA markers (the four outstanding being too degraded for analysis). However, this is a controversial area as the FSS issued a downbeat summary of the evidence. But that was couched in such general terms that it is difficult to see how it justifies the match being ignored. Clearly this matter cannot be fully resolved until we have access to the full evidence file.]

3. KMC refused to answer 48 questions put to her by PJ.

4. Among the questions asked of both GMC and KMC were questions enquiring as to whether they had considered relinquishing their parenting rights over Madeleine i.e. putting her up for guardianship by a relative, or for adoption. KMC refused to answer. GMC appears to have denied that was the case. Not clear what grounds the PJ had for asking this question.

5. MMC's bed appeared to be relatively undisturbed. Some accounts suggest there was no evidence of it having been slept in. Other accounts note the shape of a sleeping child. I wonder at the fact that the parents did not throw back the cover to look for signs of blood or a kidnap note.

6. From photographs it does appear that the window would be a difficult egress point. (However that is hardly of much relevance to the general credibility of an abduction scenario given there could be an accomplice.)

7. Kate and Gerry had a serious row on the night of 2nd May/morning of 3rd May. Kate slept in children's room. (Claims she slept in cot. But one poster suggests perhaps she slept with Maddy in her bed.)

8. Two doctors (one a close college friend of KMC) made a serious allegation about one of the Tapas 7 and GMC. The witness statement made early in May was not passed by UK Police to PJ for seven months, until Jan 08.

9. McCanns refused to return for reconstruction because they feared prosecution for negligence.

10. KMC threatened PJ with "government pressure" if they took her in for formal questioning.

11. Portugese Prosecutors produced an incredible "pro" summary of the evidence. They ruled out negligence charges on the basis that the McCanns had "suffered enough already". Interesting legal concept. Surely applies to all parents who lose their children as a result of negligence. [Do any Portugese commentators wish to add to this?]

12. Brian Kennedy approached Martin Smith key witness who had identified GMC carrying a child on 3rd May. Presumably he did so on behalf of the McCanns rather than himself (since he has not been accused of anything). [Personally I think witness statements dating from Sept 07 supposedly relating back to May 07 are worthless.]

Amaral wanted to have the Irishman return to Portugal for questioning re his later identification of the man carrying a child towards the beach on the night of Madeleine's disappearance. The PJ did include Martin Smith in the rogatory letters sent to the Home Office, but because of his domicile in the Republic of Ireland was not legally covered for re-questioning by the Leicestershire police.

13. There was some sort of large cold bag in the boot of the Scenic. Photos have appeared showing the bag. It appears to have some relevance to the DNA sampling but no confirmation on that yet.

14. Jane Tanner appears to have changed her evidence. Whereas on the Panorama programme (made with her co-operation and with respect to which she made no correction) Gerry McCann and Jes Wilkins were shown as standing on the other side of the road as she passed, her drawing of relative positions contained in the evidence file shows they were on the same side of the road. She must therefore have passed directly by them. However she has given no indication that she said hello to GMC - which if she did not is remarkable. JW denies seeing her. GMC has never said he saw her as far as we know.

Apparently JW now thinks he could have his back to the top of the road and so would not have seen "bundleman". Not really relevant in any case. But of course if he was talking to GMC one might expect GMC to be facing the other way in which case he too should have seen bundleman.

15. Frances Kennah, the Head of UK Central Authority,Home Office refused a request from PJ for details of GMC's ATM cards on the grounds that the request was disproportionate. (Homicide is clearly not considered a very important matter in the UK Central Authority.)

16. Katriona Baker, Maddy's personal nanny, stated that the McCanns did no searching for Madeleine on the night of 3rd/4th May. She also stated that Maddy became frightened and started crying when she was taken on a boat trip in PDL. Now appears that Maddy is confirmed by the nannies as being part of the boat trip party on morning of 3rd May. No confirmatory photos though. May be a lot more to add on the day's events.
Only fingerprints found on the window frame in Maddeleine's bedroom (the one with the infamous so-called jemmied shutter) were Kate McCann's. No sign of any abductor entering or exiting via that window!

17. Cuddlecat photographed as being on Madeleine's bed. No sign of any high shelf, as originally described by Kate McCann. However, it is not known whether she claims to have taken it down from the "high shelf" and then put it back on the bed where it would normally be found.

18. PJ were concerned about the four photographs of Madeleine said to have been downloaded from a digital camera and printed by Gerry McCann on the night of her disappearance on a printer at the Ocean Club. PJ maintain that they could not have been rinted there in that format. However: [Thanks to Paulo Reis] The printer used for the pictures of Madeleine belonged to a British member of the staff of Ocean Club. She brought it from her room to the reception. The pictures were printed using a memory card given to her by Russel O'Brien, around midnight. PJ wanted to check the printer, but she said that her boyfriend took it with him,to France. Anyway, experts from the PJ Laboratory considered that it was almost impossible to get a specific "fingerprint" from the pictures produced by that kind of printer.

19. Metodo 3, once hired, concentrated its early efforts on Robert Murat in its search for Madeleine, but the PJ found their evidence "speculative and without basis."

20. Rachael Mampilly Oldfield was the person who contacted the BBC, at around 2 a.m. on the morning of May 4th, to report the disappearance of Madeleine. No mention of the Sky TV contact.

21. KMC is reported by a Tapas 7 friend as hitting the wall in frustration at Maddy's disappearance. It is stated this caused bruising. No explanation of how far this bruising spread.

22. [Thanks to Paulo Reis] Gerry's fury: When GNR arrived, Gerry McCann walked to them, kneeled down and put both his hands in the ground, in the same position as a Muslim praying, and shouted twice, with rage in his voice, saying something that the witnesses close to them could not understand.




Clarrie nonsense shown to be rubbish:

1. Dutch sighting of Ms. Stam. Dutch Police did investigate and passed conclusions to PJ. Dutch Police ruled there was no possibility the girl in question was Madeleine. [Sure there will be more to follow on this - the fact that Dutch Police were certain about this, suggests perhaps the Dutch Police know something about Ms. Stam or her report that we don't. Can any Dutch posters help? Update: Disparaging posts about Ms. Stam have been left on a Dutch website by someone claiming to be a neighbour of hers. Not known if these are genuine.]

2. Two e fits - bloke staring at the Ocean resort - person traced. Barrington Gordon Norton.
Music teacher. Known in PDL. Nothing to link him with case.

3. Interpol confirm there is no credibility to the UK tip off of a Belgian paedo ring "ordering up" Maddy. Clarrie's attempt to imply this was ignored is shown to be a complete and utter pack of whatever.

4. Sky News' Greg Milam confirms that all CCTV "Maddy" images have been followed up by PJ and none have any credibility. While he reports this the CCTV still of a young girl that was used by UK press with the Miss Stam story was shown - suggesting that the coupling of that with the Stam story (on many websites and in newspapers) was indeed COMPLETELY BOGUS.

5. Even the McCanns are now reported as reluctant to commit to sightings. Hardly surprising given the history of such sightings.

Anything else to add? Briefly that is...

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=20751&start=0

All this and still they are free as birds. They're vile. To top it off they have never shown any true emotion or regret.

poinksy wrote:

Jacqui67 wrote:Just thought it was worth doing a brief summary of evidence to date gleaned from the files.

Updated as we go...

1. Cadaver dogs signalled at a number of places in the apartment and around the car (but re the latter, the only material found did not elicit the response). Blood dogs signalled in both the apartment and the car.

2. There was a 99.9% certain DNA match with Madeleine in the hire car - the Renault Scenic.
[This is my (and others') interpretation of press reports of the evidence file which refer to the match involving identification of 15 out of 19 DNA markers (the four outstanding being too degraded for analysis). However, this is a controversial area as the FSS issued a downbeat summary of the evidence. But that was couched in such general terms that it is difficult to see how it justifies the match being ignored. Clearly this matter cannot be fully resolved until we have access to the full evidence file.]

3. KMC refused to answer 48 questions put to her by PJ.

4. Among the questions asked of both GMC and KMC were questions enquiring as to whether they had considered relinquishing their parenting rights over Madeleine i.e. putting her up for guardianship by a relative, or for adoption. KMC refused to answer. GMC appears to have denied that was the case. Not clear what grounds the PJ had for asking this question.

5. MMC's bed appeared to be relatively undisturbed. Some accounts suggest there was no evidence of it having been slept in. Other accounts note the shape of a sleeping child. I wonder at the fact that the parents did not throw back the cover to look for signs of blood or a kidnap note.

6. From photographs it does appear that the window would be a difficult egress point. (However that is hardly of much relevance to the general credibility of an abduction scenario given there could be an accomplice.)

7. Kate and Gerry had a serious row on the night of 2nd May/morning of 3rd May. Kate slept in children's room. (Claims she slept in cot. But one poster suggests perhaps she slept with Maddy in her bed.)

8. Two doctors (one a close college friend of KMC) made a serious allegation about one of the Tapas 7 and GMC. The witness statement made early in May was not passed by UK Police to PJ for seven months, until Jan 08.

9. McCanns refused to return for reconstruction because they feared prosecution for negligence.

10. KMC threatened PJ with "government pressure" if they took her in for formal questioning.

11. Portugese Prosecutors produced an incredible "pro" summary of the evidence. They ruled out negligence charges on the basis that the McCanns had "suffered enough already". Interesting legal concept. Surely applies to all parents who lose their children as a result of negligence. [Do any Portugese commentators wish to add to this?]

12. Brian Kennedy approached Martin Smith key witness who had identified GMC carrying a child on 3rd May. Presumably he did so on behalf of the McCanns rather than himself (since he has not been accused of anything). [Personally I think witness statements dating from Sept 07 supposedly relating back to May 07 are worthless.]

Amaral wanted to have the Irishman return to Portugal for questioning re his later identification of the man carrying a child towards the beach on the night of Madeleine's disappearance. The PJ did include Martin Smith in the rogatory letters sent to the Home Office, but because of his domicile in the Republic of Ireland was not legally covered for re-questioning by the Leicestershire police.

13. There was some sort of large cold bag in the boot of the Scenic. Photos have appeared showing the bag. It appears to have some relevance to the DNA sampling but no confirmation on that yet.

14. Jane Tanner appears to have changed her evidence. Whereas on the Panorama programme (made with her co-operation and with respect to which she made no correction) Gerry McCann and Jes Wilkins were shown as standing on the other side of the road as she passed, her drawing of relative positions contained in the evidence file shows they were on the same side of the road. She must therefore have passed directly by them. However she has given no indication that she said hello to GMC - which if she did not is remarkable. JW denies seeing her. GMC has never said he saw her as far as we know.

Apparently JW now thinks he could have his back to the top of the road and so would not have seen "bundleman". Not really relevant in any case. But of course if he was talking to GMC one might expect GMC to be facing the other way in which case he too should have seen bundleman.

15. Frances Kennah, the Head of UK Central Authority,Home Office refused a request from PJ for details of GMC's ATM cards on the grounds that the request was disproportionate. (Homicide is clearly not considered a very important matter in the UK Central Authority.)

16. Katriona Baker, Maddy's personal nanny, stated that the McCanns did no searching for Madeleine on the night of 3rd/4th May. She also stated that Maddy became frightened and started crying when she was taken on a boat trip in PDL. Now appears that Maddy is confirmed by the nannies as being part of the boat trip party on morning of 3rd May. No confirmatory photos though. May be a lot more to add on the day's events.
Only fingerprints found on the window frame in Maddeleine's bedroom (the one with the infamous so-called jemmied shutter) were Kate McCann's. No sign of any abductor entering or exiting via that window!

17. Cuddlecat photographed as being on Madeleine's bed. No sign of any high shelf, as originally described by Kate McCann. However, it is not known whether she claims to have taken it down from the "high shelf" and then put it back on the bed where it would normally be found.

18. PJ were concerned about the four photographs of Madeleine said to have been downloaded from a digital camera and printed by Gerry McCann on the night of her disappearance on a printer at the Ocean Club. PJ maintain that they could not have been rinted there in that format. However: [Thanks to Paulo Reis] The printer used for the pictures of Madeleine belonged to a British member of the staff of Ocean Club. She brought it from her room to the reception. The pictures were printed using a memory card given to her by Russel O'Brien, around midnight. PJ wanted to check the printer, but she said that her boyfriend took it with him,to France. Anyway, experts from the PJ Laboratory considered that it was almost impossible to get a specific "fingerprint" from the pictures produced by that kind of printer.

19. Metodo 3, once hired, concentrated its early efforts on Robert Murat in its search for Madeleine, but the PJ found their evidence "speculative and without basis."

20. Rachael Mampilly Oldfield was the person who contacted the BBC, at around 2 a.m. on the morning of May 4th, to report the disappearance of Madeleine. No mention of the Sky TV contact.

21. KMC is reported by a Tapas 7 friend as hitting the wall in frustration at Maddy's disappearance. It is stated this caused bruising. No explanation of how far this bruising spread.

22. [Thanks to Paulo Reis] Gerry's fury: When GNR arrived, Gerry McCann walked to them, kneeled down and put both his hands in the ground, in the same position as a Muslim praying, and shouted twice, with rage in his voice, saying something that the witnesses close to them could not understand.




Clarrie nonsense shown to be rubbish:

1. Dutch sighting of Ms. Stam. Dutch Police did investigate and passed conclusions to PJ. Dutch Police ruled there was no possibility the girl in question was Madeleine. [Sure there will be more to follow on this - the fact that Dutch Police were certain about this, suggests perhaps the Dutch Police know something about Ms. Stam or her report that we don't. Can any Dutch posters help? Update: Disparaging posts about Ms. Stam have been left on a Dutch website by someone claiming to be a neighbour of hers. Not known if these are genuine.]

2. Two e fits - bloke staring at the Ocean resort - person traced. Barrington Gordon Norton.
Music teacher. Known in PDL. Nothing to link him with case.

3. Interpol confirm there is no credibility to the UK tip off of a Belgian paedo ring "ordering up" Maddy. Clarrie's attempt to imply this was ignored is shown to be a complete and utter pack of whatever.

4. Sky News' Greg Milam confirms that all CCTV "Maddy" images have been followed up by PJ and none have any credibility. While he reports this the CCTV still of a young girl that was used by UK press with the Miss Stam story was shown - suggesting that the coupling of that with the Stam story (on many websites and in newspapers) was indeed COMPLETELY BOGUS.

5. Even the McCanns are now reported as reluctant to commit to sightings. Hardly surprising given the history of such sightings.

Anything else to add? Briefly that is...

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=20751&start=0

All this and still they are free as birds. They're vile. To top it off they have never shown any true emotion or regret.

Any other suspects would have already been charged with only 5 of those points.

Exactly, totally agree with you, just been trying to justify my reasons over on the sky site after them jumping down my throat,lol, why can't people see there is nothing straight forward about this case and lies that have been told are all coming from team mccann, but people seem hellbent on hilighting the negative bits about the pj, very strange.

bettsy08 wrote: Exactly, totally agree with you, just been trying to justify my reasons over on the sky site after them jumping down my throat,lol, why can't people see there is nothing straight forward about this case and lies that have been told are all coming from team mccann, but people seem hellbent on hilighting the negative bits about the pj, very strange.

Bettsy you could be on Sky forever trying to get a point across....even if you emailed them the official police files they will find ways to pull it apart

Monday, 18 August 2008
The McCann Case: what is being hidden from us?

http://www.kidnapping.be/maddie/maddie.html

11,000 pages of the case file of the, "Maddie case," have been handed over to the press. Since that day, certain members of the British press have been working away at inventing leads, which have already been followed up, trying to depict the Portuguese as incompetent in the eyes of the public for not having followed up all the leads. Is this hunt for the sensational fair or are we being prepared for something else? Something more pernicious? To properly understand our words, you need to know that the three, "arguidos," have until September 20th to ask the police to reopen the investigation. Needless to say, no parent, having been the victim of child abduction, would think of asking the police to stop their investigations! I think we can say, without fear of going wrong that....
Martin Provencher - whose daughter, Cédrika, was abducted on July 31 2007,
Piera - whose daughter, Denise, was abducted on September 1st 2004,
Ithaisa - whose son, Yeremi, was abducted on March 10th 2007,
....would completely fall apart if they were to learn that the police were not continuing with the investigation. But it seems that in the case of the McCann parents, things are different. The parents have already stated that the Portuguese police had done all they could, implying that they were not going to ask the police to continue looking into what had happened!! That shocking decision, if it is accurate - and there is every reason to believe it is - can thus be presented to the public at the risk of shocking them and at the risk of the parents definitely losing all credibility. Also, we are witnessing a media hype of all the leads deemed not to have been followed up by the Portuguese PJ. Clarence Mitchell, is, by turns, astonished and outraged at each new false lead brought up by the press, sending off on the trail of all these false suspects, their famous, "super detectives," who waste their time on leads which they know full well lead nowhere. The manipulation is to make the public believe that their investigators are more efficient and more reliable that the Portuguese PJ and that that is why the parents are not asking the PJ to continue their investigation but OK for their super-efficient detectives, who are, of course, super-pros, much more efficient than the police. It was said that the new detectives, hired by the parents, let the Belgian police view videos of a young girl resembling Madeleine. That is absolutely false! The McCanns' sleuths learned of the case from the press! No more! They have absolutely nothing to do with this case. All other statements are lies!

I am even going to reveal a secret that no one knows: on the day that the, "Sun," disclosed the videos on its site, the Belgian police had already been advised that the child had been found and was not Madeleine!! So, the detectives lied to their employers, who must indeed be naive. In that case, they should be sacked. It is not normal to keep spending money on detectives who lie, instead of investing in the search for Madeleine. Or else, these words have no other purpose than to pull the wool over the eyes of the public to make them believe that the new detectives are better than the police, thus preparing the public for what we dread: the parents have no intention of asking the PJ to continue searching!!!!

If our judgment is sound, the parents will not be asking the police to continue the enquiry. We wait anxiously for September 20th in the hope that we are wrong. But if our judgment is sound...poor Madeleine. After September 20th, the case file will be able to be reopened by anybody, you or me, who brings new elements to the case. Like the photos for example....

But for the time being, in following up leads already placed under the microscope, publishing e-fit sketches of suspects, who were mostly identified and questioned ages ago, spending so much energy manipulating the media, we have the right to say that in doing so, you are no nearer to finding Madeleine! I recall that the was always to find Madeleine (alive or not) not to spend money and energy on leads where the results are already in the case file. Why waste all this time on spent leads instead of searching for Madeleine, because for some time the talk has not been about finding Madeleine, but about protecting the McCanns or about silencing anyone who might speak badly of the parents!! What wasted energy in doing these things, hiring people to search out the most insignificant blog site which spoke badly of the parents....what expense, but Madeleine, what becomes of her in all this?

(to be continued!)

digg it
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the three, "arguidos," have until September 20th to ask the police to reopen the investigation.


All eyes will be on the Mccanns on that day to see what they want to happen but what if they dont want it reopened? Can the pj keep it open or shut it? Is that the law in Portugal?

fruitcake wrote:the three, "arguidos," have until September 20th to ask the police to reopen the investigation.


All eyes will be on the Mccanns on that day to see what they want to happen but what if they dont want it reopened? Can the pj keep it open or shut it? Is that the law in Portugal?

Hi fruitcake.

Yes all eyes will be on Team McCann to see what their move will be ( just for a change)

Not sure on the law point.. Paula will be able to tell you.

Good heavens!!!

Of course they wont want it opened but then again they now cant slate the PJ for not giving them a deadline if they say they dont want them working on the case anymore!

Thats some predicament they are in !!! But knowing the press they will spin it as CM asks....

Ambersuz wrote:

bettsy08 wrote: Exactly, totally agree with you, just been trying to justify my reasons over on the sky site after them jumping down my throat,lol, why can't people see there is nothing straight forward about this case and lies that have been told are all coming from team mccann, but people seem hellbent on hilighting the negative bits about the pj, very strange.

Bettsy you could be on Sky forever trying to get a point across....even if you emailed them the official police files they will find ways to pull it apart

I'm confused as to the comment about the boat trip - is there some doubt as to whether she went on a boat trip?? I thought she was playing tennis that morning? :Silly me:

Allison wrote:

Ambersuz wrote:

bettsy08 wrote: Exactly, totally agree with you, just been trying to justify my reasons over on the sky site after them jumping down my throat,lol, why can't people see there is nothing straight forward about this case and lies that have been told are all coming from team mccann, but people seem hellbent on hilighting the negative bits about the pj, very strange.

Bettsy you could be on Sky forever trying to get a point across....even if you emailed them the official police files they will find ways to pull it apart

I'm confused as to the comment about the boat trip - is there some doubt as to whether she went on a boat trip?? I thought she was playing tennis that morning? :Silly me:

Actually you have a good point!

The nanny said she went on a boat....Kate and Gerry took the tennis photo....hmmm

Ambersuz wrote:

Allison wrote:

Ambersuz wrote:

bettsy08 wrote: Exactly, totally agree with you, just been trying to justify my reasons over on the sky site after them jumping down my throat,lol, why can't people see there is nothing straight forward about this case and lies that have been told are all coming from team mccann, but people seem hellbent on hilighting the negative bits about the pj, very strange.

Bettsy you could be on Sky forever trying to get a point across....even if you emailed them the official police files they will find ways to pull it apart

I'm confused as to the comment about the boat trip - is there some doubt as to whether she went on a boat trip?? I thought she was playing tennis that morning? :Silly me:

Actually you have a good point!

The nanny said she went on a boat....Kate and Gerry took the tennis photo....hmmm

Somebody said 'she' was sad that she didn't know about the boat trip [in another article], but it wasn't clear whether they meant Kate or Madeleine.

OK...yes...I think its been said she was sad that they didnt tell her cause the tapas lot sneaked off to the beach without telling them either...

But Her and Gerry had an argument the night before cause he wasnt paying attention to her at dinner...or something like that

Ambersuz wrote:OK...yes...I think its been said she was sad that they didnt tell her cause the tapas lot sneaked off to the beach without telling them either...

But Her and Gerry had an argument the night before cause he wasnt paying attention to her at dinner...or something like that

Oh right, sounds like things weren't as happy in the camp as they like to make out!

Allison wrote:

Ambersuz wrote:OK...yes...I think its been said she was sad that they didnt tell her cause the tapas lot sneaked off to the beach without telling them either...

But Her and Gerry had an argument the night before cause he wasnt paying attention to her at dinner...or something like that

Oh right, sounds like things weren't as happy in the camp as they like to make out!

Hmmm and then she said she got bruises from hitting walls etc when Maddie went missing....

Maybe Gerry :Smack: her a bit lol

Ambersuz wrote:

Allison wrote:

Ambersuz wrote:OK...yes...I think its been said she was sad that they didnt tell her cause the tapas lot sneaked off to the beach without telling them either...

But Her and Gerry had an argument the night before cause he wasnt paying attention to her at dinner...or something like that

Oh right, sounds like things weren't as happy in the camp as they like to make out!

Hmmm and then she said she got bruises from hitting walls etc when Maddie went missing....

Maybe Gerry :Smack: her a bit lol

He could give her a few wallops from me!! :Smack:

This makes good reading...though you may have it somewhere already.

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com/2007/10/criminal-profilng-topic-of-day-who.html

[quote="Jacqui67"]Just thought it was worth doing a brief summary of evidence to date gleaned from the files.

Updated as we go...

1. Cadaver dogs signalled at a number of places in the apartment and around the car (but re the latter, the only material found did not elicit the response). Blood dogs signalled in both the apartment and the car.

2. There was a 99.9% certain DNA match with Madeleine in the hire car - the Renault Scenic.
[This is my (and others') interpretation of press reports of the evidence file which refer to the match involving identification of 15 out of 19 DNA markers (the four outstanding being too degraded for analysis). However, this is a controversial area as the FSS issued a downbeat summary of the evidence. But that was couched in such general terms that it is difficult to see how it justifies the match being ignored. Clearly this matter cannot be fully resolved until we have access to the full evidence file.]

3. KMC refused to answer 48 questions put to her by PJ.

4. Among the questions asked of both GMC and KMC were questions enquiring as to whether they had considered relinquishing their parenting rights over Madeleine i.e. putting her up for guardianship by a relative, or for adoption. KMC refused to answer. GMC appears to have denied that was the case. Not clear what grounds the PJ had for asking this question.

5. MMC's bed appeared to be relatively undisturbed. Some accounts suggest there was no evidence of it having been slept in. Other accounts note the shape of a sleeping child. I wonder at the fact that the parents did not throw back the cover to look for signs of blood or a kidnap note.

6. From photographs it does appear that the window would be a difficult egress point. (However that is hardly of much relevance to the general credibility of an abduction scenario given there could be an accomplice.)

7. Kate and Gerry had a serious row on the night of 2nd May/morning of 3rd May. Kate slept in children's room. (Claims she slept in cot. But one poster suggests perhaps she slept with Maddy in her bed.)

8. Two doctors (one a close college friend of KMC) made a serious allegation about one of the Tapas 7 and GMC. The witness statement made early in May was not passed by UK Police to PJ for seven months, until Jan 08.

9. McCanns refused to return for reconstruction because they feared prosecution for negligence.

10. KMC threatened PJ with "government pressure" if they took her in for formal questioning.

11. Portugese Prosecutors produced an incredible "pro" summary of the evidence. They ruled out negligence charges on the basis that the McCanns had "suffered enough already". Interesting legal concept. Surely applies to all parents who lose their children as a result of negligence. [Do any Portugese commentators wish to add to this?]

12. Brian Kennedy approached Martin Smith key witness who had identified GMC carrying a child on 3rd May. Presumably he did so on behalf of the McCanns rather than himself (since he has not been accused of anything). [Personally I think witness statements dating from Sept 07 supposedly relating back to May 07 are worthless.]

Amaral wanted to have the Irishman return to Portugal for questioning re his later identification of the man carrying a child towards the beach on the night of Madeleine's disappearance. The PJ did include Martin Smith in the rogatory letters sent to the Home Office, but because of his domicile in the Republic of Ireland was not legally covered for re-questioning by the Leicestershire police.

13. There was some sort of large cold bag in the boot of the Scenic. Photos have appeared showing the bag. It appears to have some relevance to the DNA sampling but no confirmation on that yet.

14. Jane Tanner appears to have changed her evidence. Whereas on the Panorama programme (made with her co-operation and with respect to which she made no correction) Gerry McCann and Jes Wilkins were shown as standing on the other side of the road as she passed, her drawing of relative positions contained in the evidence file shows they were on the same side of the road. She must therefore have passed directly by them. However she has given no indication that she said hello to GMC - which if she did not is remarkable. JW denies seeing her. GMC has never said he saw her as far as we know.

Apparently JW now thinks he could have his back to the top of the road and so would not have seen "bundleman". Not really relevant in any case. But of course if he was talking to GMC one might expect GMC to be facing the other way in which case he too should have seen bundleman.

15. Frances Kennah, the Head of UK Central Authority,Home Office refused a request from PJ for details of GMC's ATM cards on the grounds that the request was disproportionate. (Homicide is clearly not considered a very important matter in the UK Central Authority.)

16. Katriona Baker, Maddy's personal nanny, stated that the McCanns did no searching for Madeleine on the night of 3rd/4th May. She also stated that Maddy became frightened and started crying when she was taken on a boat trip in PDL. Now appears that Maddy is confirmed by the nannies as being part of the boat trip party on morning of 3rd May. No confirmatory photos though. May be a lot more to add on the day's events.
Only fingerprints found on the window frame in Maddeleine's bedroom (the one with the infamous so-called jemmied shutter) were Kate McCann's. No sign of any abductor entering or exiting via that window!

17. Cuddlecat photographed as being on Madeleine's bed. No sign of any high shelf, as originally described by Kate McCann. However, it is not known whether she claims to have taken it down from the "high shelf" and then put it back on the bed where it would normally be found.

18. PJ were concerned about the four photographs of Madeleine said to have been downloaded from a digital camera and printed by Gerry McCann on the night of her disappearance on a printer at the Ocean Club. PJ maintain that they could not have been rinted there in that format. However: [Thanks to Paulo Reis] The printer used for the pictures of Madeleine belonged to a British member of the staff of Ocean Club. She brought it from her room to the reception. The pictures were printed using a memory card given to her by Russel O'Brien, around midnight. PJ wanted to check the printer, but she said that her boyfriend took it with him,to France. Anyway, experts from the PJ Laboratory considered that it was almost impossible to get a specific "fingerprint" from the pictures produced by that kind of printer.

19. Metodo 3, once hired, concentrated its early efforts on Robert Murat in its search for Madeleine, but the PJ found their evidence "speculative and without basis."

20. Rachael Mampilly Oldfield was the person who contacted the BBC, at around 2 a.m. on the morning of May 4th, to report the disappearance of Madeleine. No mention of the Sky TV contact.

21. KMC is reported by a Tapas 7 friend as hitting the wall in frustration at Maddy's disappearance. It is stated this caused bruising. No explanation of how far this bruising spread.

22. [Thanks to Paulo Reis] Gerry's fury: When GNR arrived, Gerry McCann walked to them, kneeled down and put both his hands in the ground, in the same position as a Muslim praying, and shouted twice, with rage in his voice, saying something that the witnesses close to them could not understand.




Clarrie nonsense shown to be rubbish:

1. Dutch sighting of Ms. Stam. Dutch Police did investigate and passed conclusions to PJ. Dutch Police ruled there was no possibility the girl in question was Madeleine. [Sure there will be more to follow on this - the fact that Dutch Police were certain about this, suggests perhaps the Dutch Police know something about Ms. Stam or her report that we don't. Can any Dutch posters help? Update: Disparaging posts about Ms. Stam have been left on a Dutch website by someone claiming to be a neighbour of hers. Not known if these are genuine.]

2. Two e fits - bloke staring at the Ocean resort - person traced. Barrington Gordon Norton.
Music teacher. Known in PDL. Nothing to link him with case.

3. Interpol confirm there is no credibility to the UK tip off of a Belgian paedo ring "ordering up" Maddy. Clarrie's attempt to imply this was ignored is shown to be a complete and utter pack of whatever.

4. Sky News' Greg Milam confirms that all CCTV "Maddy" images have been followed up by PJ and none have any credibility. While he reports this the CCTV still of a young girl that was used by UK press with the Miss Stam story was shown - suggesting that the coupling of that with the Stam story (on many websites and in newspapers) was indeed COMPLETELY BOGUS.

5. Even the McCanns are now reported as reluctant to commit to sightings. Hardly surprising given the history of such sightings.

Anything else to add? Briefly that is...

http://www.the3arguidos.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=20751&start=0[/quote


It is very thought provoking when you see so many issues put together like this .....so many things are wrong with this case - imo, the answer lies within some of the tappas group - I notice it has been posted that Gerry has said he and Kate were too busy to speak with Jane Tanner for two days following Madeleine's " abduction"....even though Tanner was supposedly an " eye witness" to their child being taken ?....this beggars belief ? ...or,could it be that this comment by Gerry has been made to cover up the fact that none of the tappas - other than Jane Tanner, mentioned her " sighting" in their first interviews with the PJ ?...ie, it would explain why such an important "sighting" of one of the group was not given by all the tappas when each of them gave their " accounts" in their statements ...just because they did not witness themselves what Jane Tanner says she saw - surely, they would all still recount to the PJ her telling them of her sighting ....but they did not - ? ......am I making sense to other posters or have I just posted a load of babbling?

After reading all that it seems that they've hired more idiots as detectives As they say, money talks and they will be told to do whatever their employers tell them to do.

Allstar wrote:After reading all that it seems that they've hired more idiots as detectives As they say, money talks and they will be told to do whatever their employers tell them to do.

I beleive that what ever they did with Madeleine has been done so well that she will never be found and they know that. They hire detectives to keep their stupid cover up going and keep the people believing in THEIR abduction theory.

Ambersuz wrote:Good heavens!!!

Of course they wont want it opened but then again they now cant slate the PJ for not giving them a deadline if they say they dont want them working on the case anymore!

Thats some predicament they are in !!! But knowing the press they will spin it as CM asks....

Seems to me that the refusal by the tappas to return to Portugal was a very " delicate" situation too - but, even though they all knew the world would judge them in a bad light for not going back - it did not deter them - they still refused to go - so anything that is decided in this case will, imo, not be decided on justice for Madeleine - but will be decided on the " safest" way out of this for the Mccann's....

M.T.P. wrote:

Ambersuz wrote:Good heavens!!!

Of course they wont want it opened but then again they now cant slate the PJ for not giving them a deadline if they say they dont want them working on the case anymore!

Thats some predicament they are in !!! But knowing the press they will spin it as CM asks....

Seems to me that the refusal by the tappas to return to Portugal was a very " delicate" situation too - but, even though they all knew the world would judge them in a bad light for not going back - it did not deter them - they still refused to go - so anything that is decided in this case will, imo, not be decided on justice for Madeleine - but will be decided on the " safest" way out of this for the Mccann's....

That bunch didnt go because they were oredered not to go by the pink poof. I bet that was the case.

http://www.kidnapping.be/maddie/maddie.html

22/08/08

Before starting on Jane Tanner's statements, there is a small correction we wish to make. In recent days, the press has put forward information, according to which, Jane Tanner was allegedly not absent from the, "Tapas," throughout the evening get-together, that is to say from 7.30pm until 10pm.

It would seem that the press has been rather quick to reach this conclusion. The reality is that there is nothing to say whether Jane Tanner did or did not leave the, "Tapas." According to various witnesses present at the, "Tapas," some say, "I don't recall having seen (Jane Tanner) leave the restaurant." That doesn't mean that she did indeed stay there the whole evening. The witnesses don't remember it, that's all. The only thing these statements indicate is uncertainty. On that basis, the press has been hasty in its conclusions.

Jane Tanner's interview.

As with Gerry McCann's interview, a translator was called for. This time, the, "sworn," interpreter was Filipa Maria. It is important to bear in mind that there is a different translator each time. This guarantees objectivity in the translation, the translator not being influenced by the translation of the previous person. The interview begins at 11.30am on May 4th 2007.


I have been in Portugal since last Saturday, April 28th 2007, at the Ocean Club tourist resort, with my partner (Russell O'Brien), my two children and three couples of friends (Gerald McCann, Kate Healy, Matthew Oldfield, Rachael Manpilly, David and Fiona Payne as well as Fiona Payne's mother, Diane Webster). We are with our children, Ella O'Brien, aged 3 years and Evie O'Brien, aged one year.

The other couples have also come with their children, Grace Oldfield, aged one year (daughter of Matthew Oldfield and Rachael Manpilly), Lily Payne, aged two years and Scarlett Payne, aged eleven months (children of David and Fiona Payne). The twins, Sean and Amélie McCann, aged two years and Madeleine Beth McCann who will celebrate her birthday during the holiday week. (Children of Gerald McCann and Kate Healy)

The interviewee and her partner are on holiday with the other couples, having organised the trip from England, where they are friends. They traveled with the, "Mark Warner," agency. All the couples have individual apartments in the same complex, with their respective children.

Since Saturday, the habit has been to get up around 7.30/8am, then to have breakfast in a restaurant near the apartment, called the, "Millenium," (6) towards 9am, to drive the children to the, "Kids Club." (2)(4)(5), according to the ages of the children. Only Gerry and Kate have breakfast in their apartment due to the fact that they have three children and it is complicated walking with the three at the same time. Then, they too drive their children to the, "Kids Club."

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.com/2008/08/enfants-kidnapps-220808-jane-tanners_22.html

Whats complicated about walking with 3 kids who can walk themselves?

Record by the PJ of Jane T.’s statement :

The interpreter was Filipa Maria. The statement started at 11.30 AM, on the 4th of May.
“Since last saturday April 28th, I have being staying in Portugal at the Ocean Club with my partner (Russell 0′), my two children, et 3 couples of friends (G MC, K H, M O, etc….). With us, we have our children Ella (aged 3) and Evie aged 1. Our other friends also came with their children , Grace Oldfield I year old…, Lily Payne, 2 years old, Scralett (11 months old). The twins Sean and Amelie, and Madeleine Beth McC whose birthday will take place during the holidays week… The stay was organised through “Mark Warner” agency, from England…..”

They took the habit of getting up between 7.30 and 8.00. Had breakfast in the restaurant “Millenium”, took the children to the Kid’s Club around 9.00. Only Kate and Gerry had lunch in their appartment, due to the fact they had 3 children, and it was complicated to walk with the 3 of them together. Then they took their children again to the Kid’s Club.

At the Kid’s Club, Ella O’Brien et Madeleine Beth McCann stayed in a room where the reception is. The person in charge is English, called Cat Baken. Apart from her, there were 3 or 4 other persons to take care of the children. (JT can remember but one name: Emma Wilding). They had various activities, like going to the Ocean Cl. swimming pool, to the tennis court by the Tapas restaurant, painting, or walking about inside the MW complex.

Scarlett Payne was in a different place. JT doesn’t know the staff, doesn’t know what the activities were, but thinks most of the time the children were staying inside. Grace Oldfield, Evie O’Brien, Lily Payne, Amélie and Sean McCann stayed in another room by the Tapas restaurant. The person in charge was British, her name was Leanne Wagstaff. They had the same type of activities.

Around 12.30, they picked their children in the rooms of the Kid’s Club where they were. The Kid’s Club closed for lunch. Sometimes, they all had lunch together in one of the appartments of the couples.

Around 2.30 PM the rooms of the “Kids Club” opened. Only Madeleine, Amélie, Sean and Ella went back. The other children stayed with their parents. Around 4.45PM, the children came together for tea in a room from the Tapas restaurant. Meanwhile their parents had their own occupations.

03 May 2007

Until then, JT hasn’t noticed anything out of the ordianary concerning the group of friends or the children. She didn’t attend breakfast as she had a tennis lesson scheduled for 9.00. Her partner had breakfast with both their children. Then he went to pick Ella o’B, and took them all to the Kid’s Club.. Evie was probably unwell, for she did’nt go to the “Kids Club” that day. Kate Healy and Diane Webster arrived and waited for 30 mn, until the tennis lesson was over. J T doesn’t know where the MCs children had breakfast, but they were at the Kid’s Club, and JT thinks their father took them there. During the tennis lesson, K Healy behaved in her usual manner. After her lesson, J T went with her partner, O’Brien, and their daughter Evie, to the beach where they stayed until 12. 20 . Then they went to the Kid’s club to pick Ella. JT doesn’t know what Kate H. did after the tennis lesson , but around 10. she heard that Gerry was having a lesson from 10.10 to 11.10. JT did not notice if Madeleine was still in the Kid’s Club when they went to pick Ella. They had lunch in their appartment with their 2 children and Matthew Oldfield, Rachael Manpilly and their daughter Grace until 1.45. At 2.00, JT played tennis again, this time with Rachel Manpilly She remembers that while she was playing, she saw Kate Healy and Gerald McCann with their children on the playground by the tennis courts. Kate waved to her. The McCanns stayed there until 2.40 PM, when they took the children to the “Kids Club”.

At 2.45, after she had finished playing tennis, JT went back to her appartment where she stayed with her daughter Evie.Her husband and Matthew Oldfield had gone sailing.

At 3.45, JT went to the beach (Praia) with her daughter Evie, Rachael Manpilly, Diane Webster, Fiona Payne, Lily Payne and Scarlett Payne. Her husband Russell O’Brien came back from his sailing trip and went to fetch Ella at the “Kids Club”. They came to join the group at the beach until 6. 10/6.15. On their way to the beach earlier, the group saw Gerald McCann and Kate Healy taking a private tennis lesson. Their children weren’t with them. Around 5.15, they saw Kate Healy passing on the beach, jogging.

Russel O’Brien, Matthew Oldfield and David Payne left the beach earlier for the “Men’s tennis night”. On their way back from the beach, the group saw them and Gerry MC on the courts. They talked with them for about 20 minuts. Gerald MC’s behaviour was his usual. JT surmises Kate was in her appartment, putting the children to bed. Around 7.00 everyone went back to their appartments with their children. Jt Gave a bath to her daughters, and read them a story to make them sleep. As Evie was sick and couldn’t fall asleep, she stayed with her father, who meanwhile, had come back home. JT left around 8.30, to go to the Tapas restaurant.

On her arrival some of the grown ups from the group were already there, without any children. These were supposed to sleep. Around 9.00, her husband arrived, having successfully made their daughter sleep. Since David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster were late, the meal, ordered at 8.30, only started at 9.00, when the Payne family arrived. Normally, one person from each appartment went to the children’s bedrooms see if everything was OK. Everything went well during the dinner. Everyone was in a good disposition. Jane T remembers that around 9.10, Gerald McCann left the restaurant to go and see his children. Five minutes later, she also left, to check in her own appartment. She saw Gerald McCann talking to a British person named Jez whom he met during the holidays and with whom he played tennis. She passed them, knowing that Gerald McCann had already checked with his children.

Meanwhile, she noticed a man passing, with a child under his arms (probably a mistake in the translation I think it was on, and not under. MN), walking fast. The child was in pyjamas, without a blanket, which attracted her attention. She only saw him from the side, exactly at the moment she passed Gerald et Jez. That person was coming from the alley which delimits the block where the flat is. He quickly passed the crossing. The entrance of the building where the appartments are is exactly where she saw him. After checking on her children JT went back to the Tapas. On her way back, Gerald McCann was no longer in the street where she had seen him talking. On arriving to the restaurant, she saw him with his wife Kate Healy.

15 to 20 minutes later, Matthew Oldfield and Russell O’Brien went out to see their children.. As their daughter Evie wasn’t well and cried, Russell staid in the bedroom. Matthew checked on the children, Gerald and Kate’s included. According to him, he saw the twins, but wasn’t successfull in seing Madeleine. But as he didn’t hear any noise, he thought everything was fine and went back to the restaurant. Matthew told JT that Russell stayed in the bedroom. She quickly ate the main course, and, worried, went into the bedroom so that her husband could eat in turn .

As she was in the bedroom, around 10, she heard Kate Healy and Fiona scream that Madeleine had disappeared. She doesn’t know if it was Kate who found out about the disappearance as she wasn’t in the restaurant then. All their evenings went the same way. It was normal for them to leave the table in turns . Madeleine Beth McCann was a good child, loving, busy, and fun. She loved playing, was intelligent and JT doesn’t believe she would let an unknown person get near without screaming…

Description of the man seen by Jane Tanner:

Dark hair, man, between 35 and 40, thin, about 1.70 cms. Hair very dark, thick, not unkempt, but going down to the neck.(Seen from behind). He wore long trousers (like linen) beige colour, and a coat “Duffy” style (but lighter). Shoes black, classical type. Precipitated walk. He was carrying a child reclining on his two arms in front of his chest. He didn’t give her the feeling that he was a tourist.

She only saw the child’s legs. The child looked bigger than a baby, didn’t wear shoes, dressed with cotton pyjamas, of a light colour, maybe pink or white. She isn’t sure, but thinks she saw a pattern on the material, maybe flowers. She isn’t certain.

She claims she doesn’t know what Madeleine was wearing when she disappeared. She didn’t talk about it with anyone. As regards the man, she just said a word about him to Gerald and to the police. She is asked to help for a sketch which comes into the file. Being asked if she could identify the person, she says yes as long as she can see his profile, at the place where she saw him.

End