Case Files discussions

pm wrote:in Gerry's official statement to the PJ he states he had already been to Portugal in 1994. Thus, all we have heard about how they didn't know anyone, didn't know the terraine might not be quite as we were being told.

How come the journalists didn't pick up on this and try to find out where he stayed, what he did, and who he met? Might make for very interesting info...

The journalists are treating them with kid gloves. They didnt ever do this to any other suspected law breakers. Come to think of it they were quite nasty to shannons mum even before they knew she was involved in some way.

pm wrote:in Gerry's official statement to the PJ he states he had already been to Portugal in 1994. Thus, all we have heard about how they didn't know anyone, didn't know the terraine might not be quite as we were being told.

How come the journalists didn't pick up on this and try to find out where he stayed, what he did, and who he met? Might make for very interesting info...

Does it say why? Business or pleasure?

Date: July 31st 2007 - 8pm. Report:

Participants:

PJ: Tavares A. & Ricardo P. Inspectors
UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime (UK Forensic Canine P SM Expert),
Eddie & Keela (English Springers)
Silvia B. Manager of the Ocean Club complex.

On that date, inspections were conducted in the apartments occupied by members of the McCann family as well as the group who were with them at the time of Madeleine McCann's disappearance. It was only on that date that the apartment, identified as that of the parents, was empty allowing further investigation which was authorised by the respective occupants. Thus, at the appointed time, the search with the dogs began, covering the following apartments:

5A:

From 8.30pm to 9.20pm, the dogs go through.
8.20pm: The cadaver dog, "marks," the couple's wardrobe area in the bedroom.
8.22pm: The cadaver dog, "marks" an area behind the sofa in the sitting room near the window overlooking the road.
From 8.47pm to 9.20pm, the blood detecting dog goes through.
8.10 (should it be 9.10?) The dog, "marks" an area of floor behind the sofa in the sitting room, near the window overlooking the road.

5B: 9.24 to 9.27pm: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

5D: 9.29 to 9.34pm: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

5H : 9.35 to 9.38pm : The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

4G : 9.42 to 9.45pm : The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

Garden belonging to apartment 5A (with access via the balcony and the steps):

9.49 to 10pm: The cadaver dog "marks" an area of the garden immediately below the window.

To be continued

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.com/2008/09/enfants-kidnapps-240908-eddie-and-keela.html

I seem to recall that Gerry said he had been to the Algarve previously to check out the golf facilities as he was a keen player.
It sticks in my mind because he didn't seem interested at all in golf on this holiday. Also, I play golf when we go the the Algarve and I wanted to find out which courses he was interested in so I could avoid him. Sadly, the statement didn't give the info I wanted.

All these experts had to be wrong i suppose

UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime (UK Forensic Canine P SM Expert),
Eddie & Keela (English Springers)

Jennifer wrote:All these experts had to be wrong i suppose

UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime (UK Forensic Canine P SM Expert),
Eddie & Keela (English Springers)

Jennifer, don´t be naive

All that speak against McCanns are wrong!

Jennifer wrote:All these experts had to be wrong i suppose

UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime (UK Forensic Canine P SM Expert),
Eddie & Keela (English Springers)

Well the dogs dont talk so they cant know a thing!!

Ambersuz wrote:

Jennifer wrote:All these experts had to be wrong i suppose

UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime (UK Forensic Canine P SM Expert),
Eddie & Keela (English Springers)

Well the dogs dont talk so they cant know a thing!!

They sure got lucky with 200 cases then

Dogwood wrote:

Ambersuz wrote:

Jennifer wrote:All these experts had to be wrong i suppose

UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime (UK Forensic Canine P SM Expert),
Eddie & Keela (English Springers)

Well the dogs dont talk so they cant know a thing!!

They sure got lucky with 200 cases then

don´t you see, was only a coincidence!

Is it really unusual to go somewhere twice in ten years? I think if he'd been to PDL before it would be slightly worth considering whether or not he knew THAT area well. But the Algarve? I don't think there is anythign to be made of this info is there?

Just playing Devils advocate

eddie wrote:Is it really unusual to go somewhere twice in ten years? I think if he'd been to PDL before it would be slightly worth considering whether or not he knew THAT area well. But the Algarve? I don't think there is anythign to be made of this info is there?

Just playing Devils advocate

Pj wanted to know who they knew in PT, who they visited, who could had help them!

eddie wrote:Is it really unusual to go somewhere twice in ten years? I think if he'd been to PDL before it would be slightly worth considering whether or not he knew THAT area well. But the Algarve? I don't think there is anythign to be made of this info is there?

Just playing Devils advocate

No, it isn't. I don't think it's relevant.

pm wrote:

eddie wrote:Is it really unusual to go somewhere twice in ten years? I think if he'd been to PDL before it would be slightly worth considering whether or not he knew THAT area well. But the Algarve? I don't think there is anythign to be made of this info is there?

Just playing Devils advocate

Pj wanted to know who they knew in PT, who they visited, who could had help them!

I've been to Pt 2 or 3 times...don't know anyone, and certainly don't know anyone who could help me dispose of a child's body

Angelina wrote:

eddie wrote:Is it really unusual to go somewhere twice in ten years? I think if he'd been to PDL before it would be slightly worth considering whether or not he knew THAT area well. But the Algarve? I don't think there is anythign to be made of this info is there?

Just playing Devils advocate

No, it isn't. I don't think it's relevant.

it is, for police

They (PJ) need to know everything

One thing is only to know the area between OC and beach - for example

another thing is to know the neighbour areas

Is also with the firts option that PJ think Maddie´s body spent the firts hours at the beach!

Angelina wrote:

pm wrote:

eddie wrote:Is it really unusual to go somewhere twice in ten years? I think if he'd been to PDL before it would be slightly worth considering whether or not he knew THAT area well. But the Algarve? I don't think there is anythign to be made of this info is there?

Just playing Devils advocate

Pj wanted to know who they knew in PT, who they visited, who could had help them!

I've been to Pt 2 or 3 times...don't know anyone, and certainly don't know anyone who could help me dispose of a child's body

But the second and the third time you noticed diferent things, as a road to somewhere, a name of a place that the fist time you didn´t notice

at least that happens to me in Ibiza where i went 6 times!


i don´t think PJ was trying to find a person who help them to hide the body

if i read correct, PJ wanted to know what they knew in PDL and surroundings!

Talking of who the McCanns might know on the Algarve, wasn't there a suggestion that Jon Corner lived at Huelva? Now that's just over the border. There was a lot of discussion about it in conjunction with the Panorama doc. Suggestion that the film crew stayed at his house. Also the McCanns should have known about the public holiday when they did their disastrous poster campaign there, Jon Corner would have known about it and told them etc.

About going to the same place twice in ten years, we have been going to the same place on the Algarve for the last 15 years, and we go and spend the winter there, from end Nov to March!!!

justagrannynow wrote:Talking of who the McCanns might know on the Algarve, wasn't there a suggestion that Jon Corner lived at Huelva? Now that's just over the border. There was a lot of discussion about it in conjunction with the Panorama doc. Suggestion that the film crew stayed at his house. Also the McCanns should have known about the public holiday when they did their disastrous poster campaign there, Jon Corner would have known about it and told them etc.

About going to the same place twice in ten years, we have been going to the same place on the Algarve for the last 15 years, and we go and spend the winter there, from end Nov to March!!!

where can you tell me?

pm wrote:

justagrannynow wrote:Talking of who the McCanns might know on the Algarve, wasn't there a suggestion that Jon Corner lived at Huelva? Now that's just over the border. There was a lot of discussion about it in conjunction with the Panorama doc. Suggestion that the film crew stayed at his house. Also the McCanns should have known about the public holiday when they did their disastrous poster campaign there, Jon Corner would have known about it and told them etc.

About going to the same place twice in ten years, we have been going to the same place on the Algarve for the last 15 years, and we go and spend the winter there, from end Nov to March!!!

where can you tell me?

On the 3As. It was one of the regular topics and there must be a lot of threads about it. It used to come up regularly when the Panorama doc was shown, disposal of a body at Huelva, the poster campaign in Huelva on a public holiday, was Jon Corner on the holiday with them and left on the 3rd May etc etc.

pm wrote:

Angelina wrote:

eddie wrote:Is it really unusual to go somewhere twice in ten years? I think if he'd been to PDL before it would be slightly worth considering whether or not he knew THAT area well. But the Algarve? I don't think there is anythign to be made of this info is there?

Just playing Devils advocate

No, it isn't. I don't think it's relevant.

it is, for police

They (PJ) need to know everything

One thing is only to know the area between OC and beach - for example

another thing is to know the neighbour areas

Is also with the firts option that PJ think Maddie´s body spent the firts hours at the beach!

Yes, I can see the Police would want to know but I don't know how many people could describe one beach from another

pm wrote:

Angelina wrote:

pm wrote:

eddie wrote:Is it really unusual to go somewhere twice in ten years? I think if he'd been to PDL before it would be slightly worth considering whether or not he knew THAT area well. But the Algarve? I don't think there is anythign to be made of this info is there?

Just playing Devils advocate

Pj wanted to know who they knew in PT, who they visited, who could had help them!

I've been to Pt 2 or 3 times...don't know anyone, and certainly don't know anyone who could help me dispose of a child's body

But the second and the third time you noticed diferent things, as a road to somewhere, a name of a place that the fist time you didn´t notice

at least that happens to me in Ibiza where i went 6 times!


i don´t think PJ was trying to find a person who help them to hide the body

if i read correct, PJ wanted to know what they knew in PDL and surroundings!

Um..actually I'm a terribly unobservant person...my OH is always talking about things I'm supposed to have seen but haven't!

justagrannynow wrote:

pm wrote:

justagrannynow wrote:Talking of who the McCanns might know on the Algarve, wasn't there a suggestion that Jon Corner lived at Huelva? Now that's just over the border. There was a lot of discussion about it in conjunction with the Panorama doc. Suggestion that the film crew stayed at his house. Also the McCanns should have known about the public holiday when they did their disastrous poster campaign there, Jon Corner would have known about it and told them etc.

About going to the same place twice in ten years, we have been going to the same place on the Algarve for the last 15 years, and we go and spend the winter there, from end Nov to March!!!

where can you tell me?

On the 3As. It was one of the regular topics and there must be a lot of threads about it. It used to come up regularly when the Panorama doc was shown, disposal of a body at Huelva, the poster campaign in Huelva on a public holiday, was Jon Corner on the holiday with them and left on the 3rd May etc etc.

sorry, i was asking when in Algarve you use to stay

pm wrote:

justagrannynow wrote:

pm wrote:

justagrannynow wrote:Talking of who the McCanns might know on the Algarve, wasn't there a suggestion that Jon Corner lived at Huelva? Now that's just over the border. There was a lot of discussion about it in conjunction with the Panorama doc. Suggestion that the film crew stayed at his house. Also the McCanns should have known about the public holiday when they did their disastrous poster campaign there, Jon Corner would have known about it and told them etc.

About going to the same place twice in ten years, we have been going to the same place on the Algarve for the last 15 years, and we go and spend the winter there, from end Nov to March!!!

where can you tell me?

On the 3As. It was one of the regular topics and there must be a lot of threads about it. It used to come up regularly when the Panorama doc was shown, disposal of a body at Huelva, the poster campaign in Huelva on a public holiday, was Jon Corner on the holiday with them and left on the 3rd May etc etc.

sorry, i was asking when in Algarve you use to stay

Sorry, it's my age !!!!

We usually go to Albufeira or Lagos. We have a motorhome so are pretty flexible as to where and for how long we stay.

Eddie

the information you need about smith family

night of 3 of May at 22h00m they saw a man in PDL, with a child on his arms, that cross with them walking in the direction of the beach
pm

pm wrote:Eddie

the information you need about smith family

night of 3 of May at 22h00m they saw a man in PDL, with a child on his arms, that cross with them walking in the direction of the beach
pm

22:00???? Isn't this the time Kate raised the alarm??? Now this doen't make sense agian!!

eddie wrote:

pm wrote:Eddie

the information you need about smith family

night of 3 of May at 22h00m they saw a man in PDL, with a child on his arms, that cross with them walking in the direction of the beach
pm

22:00???? Isn't this the time Kate raised the alarm??? Now this doen't make sense agian!!

Kate raise the alarm later

that time is not known by PJ, because they have diferent statements about that also


and from the beach to OC, walking normaly, it only takes 5 minutes - people say this because i never tried!