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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 10 Nov - 18:41

Panda wrote:Occupy Wall street has been travelling around to several Cities in their campaign to raise awareness. When they tried to pitch tents in some
places the police soon arrived to dismantle them, but no violence.

I take my hat off to the U.S. not only are they weeding out the rich who try to avoid paying tax by having Bank Accounts in off shoretax havens, but when it was known that Italy, France and another Country are building equipment to enable Syria to track rebelsby their mobiles an immediate enquiry has been ordered.

You haven't heard about the street lights being installed in some US cities, then? They have built-in technology that can pick up conversations, apparently!

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Post  Angelina on Thu 10 Nov - 19:40

AnnaEsse wrote:
Panda wrote:Occupy Wall street has been travelling around to several Cities in their campaign to raise awareness. When they tried to pitch tents in some
places the police soon arrived to dismantle them, but no violence.

I take my hat off to the U.S. not only are they weeding out the rich who try to avoid paying tax by having Bank Accounts in off shoretax havens, but when it was known that Italy, France and another Country are building equipment to enable Syria to track rebelsby their mobiles an immediate enquiry has been ordered.

You haven't heard about the street lights being installed in some US cities, then? They have built-in technology that can pick up conversations, apparently!

Oh...scary. Seems like anything can be done in the name of "security".

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Post  AnnaEsse on Thu 10 Nov - 21:06

Angelina wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
Panda wrote:Occupy Wall street has been travelling around to several Cities in their campaign to raise awareness. When they tried to pitch tents in some
places the police soon arrived to dismantle them, but no violence.

I take my hat off to the U.S. not only are they weeding out the rich who try to avoid paying tax by having Bank Accounts in off shoretax havens, but when it was known that Italy, France and another Country are building equipment to enable Syria to track rebelsby their mobiles an immediate enquiry has been ordered.

You haven't heard about the street lights being installed in some US cities, then? They have built-in technology that can pick up conversations, apparently!

Oh...scary. Seems like anything can be done in the name of "security".

What's happening in the US is quite scary. Apart from those street lights, they've got random checks on vehicles all over the place now.

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Post  Panda on Mon 14 Nov - 2:06

Protesters arrested, challenged as police confront Occupy activists

By Ashley Hayes, CNN
November 14, 2011 -- Updated 0028 GMT (0828
HKT)


Police attempt to disperse a crowd at Occupy
Portland on Sunday.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS


  • NEW: Portland riot police trying to clear street face off with Occupy
    protesters
  • Sexual assault reported at Occupy Philly camp, mayor says
  • Salt Lake City police clear camp, arrest 19 protesters
  • Denver police arrest 17 in clearing right-of-way



(CNN) -- Occupy activists and law enforcement authorities
found themselves at odds in several U.S. cities over the weekend, including yet
another tense showdown late Sunday afternoon in Portland, Oregon.

Police in riot gear and holding batons lined up for hours along a city
street, face-to-face with activists who refused to clear the road and go onto
the sidewalk. This confrontation came hours after Portland police Sgt. Pete
Simpson said more than a dozen people were arrested as authorities cleared
Chapman Square, the last city park where protesters had gathered.

Simpson said the officers were in riot gear as a precaution, and were joined
by other assisting agencies. "We needed the manpower because we used up a lot of
resources yesterday (Saturday)," he said.

Mayor Sam Adams said late Sunday afternoon that "a series of increased drug
overdoses... an arsonist that used the camp as camouflage and almost a 20%
increase in crime surrounding the encampment" prompted the move.

"All of us are working really hard at keeping the peace and protecting
freedom of expression," Adams told CNN. "I support a lot of what the encampment
stands for ... (But) it shouldn't be focused on port-a-potties and tents and
encampments attracting criminal elements. I think this movement needs to
evolve."

Kari Koch, one of the activists, told CNN that she was "extremely
disappointed that the mayor chose to crack down on these parks when the
outpouring of support (among area residents) has been so strong."

"Homeless people exist, drug addicts exist, mentally ill people exist. We
were a safe place they could go, and that created some problems," she said. "And
we were working to deal with those problems, and the mayor cut us off."

Video from earlier showed authorities dismantling tents at the camp. Once the
parks -- which Simpson said are "pretty beat up" -- are cleared, temporary
fencing will be erected so repairs can be made.

One officer was struck in the leg earlier Sunday by a projectile thrown from
a crowd, and was taken to a hospital, but the injuries were not
life-threatening, authorities said. One protester was arrested in a separate
incident overnight, Simpson said.

Video from that scene showed masses of protesters -- about 7,000, according
to Koch -- on downtown streets. In the early-morning hours Sunday, police told
demonstrators to leave the streets or face arrest. All but two of the
demonstrators followed that order, many retreating to several parks, CNN
affiliate KGW reported.

Yet hundreds returned by early Sunday morning -- some of whom have not been
affiliated with the Occupy movement until now -- apparently hoping to witness a
police confrontation, police Lt. Robert King said.






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On Sunday, Mayor Sam Adams praised police for showing professionalism and
restraint, noting the lack of serious injuries incurred over several police
actions and stressing a calm, well-communicated approach.

"I'm prioritizing patience," he said earlier in the day. "In order for us to
do this peacefully, we need the time and folks on the ground need the time to do
their work right."

What started as the Occupy Wall Street movement in New York in September has
spread across major cities worldwide as a call to action against unequal
distribution of wealth.

In Philadelphia, Mayor Michael Nutter said Sunday he was increasing police
presence near the Occupy Philly camp and asking the city's police commissioner
to "establish structures and strategic positioning and deployment of officers on
a regular basis in that location."

What began as a peaceful protest 39 days ago has given way to increasing
public safety and public health concerns, Nutter told reporters.

"Occupy Philly has changed," he said at a noon press conference. "We're
seeing serious health and safety issues playing out on an almost daily basis...
The people of Occupy Philly have also changed and their intentions have changed.
And all of this is not good for Philadelphia."

A woman reported she was sexually assaulted Saturday night in a tent at the
encampment, Nutter said. CNN affiliate WPVI reported a suspect was arrested in
the alleged assault.

In addition, there is the threat of fire near historic City Hall and concerns
about litter, public urination, defecation and graffiti, according to the
mayor.

Numerous reports of thefts and assaults in the encampment have been made, and
15 emergency medical runs were made between October 6 and November 11, he
said.

Also, a maintenance project is set to begin soon on City Hall, one of
several, he said. A $50 million renovation is planned for Dilworth Plaza, where
protesters have camped.

Occupy Philly's general assembly voted Friday night not to move from the
plaza, and members have not responded in recent weeks to expressions of concern
from the city, which has repeatedly tried to work with the protesters, he said.
"Many of the people that we talked to in the beginning of this event and
activity are now gone," he said.

"We have things we need to do," Nutter said. "I understand that they have
things on their mind as Americans and wish to express their free speech. I
understand that, I get that, I've defended that. The things we're talking about,
the activities that are going on, are not about free speech. They're public
health and public safety concerns that have nothing to do with Wall Street and
corporations."

The protesters are "purposely standing in the way of nearly 1,000 jobs for
Philadelphians at a time of high unemployment," Nutter said. "They are blocking
Philadelphians from taking care of their families."

"Misconduct is not about free speech," the mayor said, "and the behavior
we're now seeing is running squarely into the needs of our city government that
also represents the 99%. As mayor of the city of Philadelphia, I represent the
99% also."

Meanwhile, in Salt Lake City, police said on Twitter 19 people were arrested
Saturday night as authorities moved in to clear an Occupy Salt Lake encampment
at a downtown park.

Police had ordered protesters to leave the park after a man was found dead
late Thursday night. The cause of death was thought to be carbon monoxide
poisoning and a drug overdose, CNN affiliate KSTU reported.

"We can no longer tolerate individuals camping on our streets," Salt Lake
City Police Chief Chris Burbank told reporters.

However, "only camping is over," Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker's office
said on Twitter -- protests can continue at the park. KSTU reported authorities
said protesters would be allowed to have a 24-hour presence and one building,
but the tents had to go.

Since camping began at the park, Becker's office said in the statement,
"local law enforcement has responded to a dramatically increased amount of
criminal activity in the park, and has made over 90 arrests in the area since
early October."

A melee involving 30 people on Wednesday night led to four arrests, Becker's
office said, and public safety "has become increasingly questionable.
Additionally, the amount of human and animal waste, as well as drug
paraphernalia, is an escalating public concern."

As police moved in Saturday evening, according to video from the scene,
protesters chanted, "This is what a police state looks like."

"Our rights to assembly, which are embodied in the First Amendment, are still
being violated," protester Jesse Fruhwirth told KSTU. "Our forefathers are
speaking to us, telling us that this is what assembly looks like. Not being able
to camp here severely limits the ability of us to keep our coalition
together."

"Many thanks to all for a peaceful resolution," Salt Lake City police tweeted
late Saturday.

In Denver, police in riot gear arrested 17 people Saturday night as they
cleared furniture and tents from an Occupy encampment near the city's civic
center, police spokesman Sonny Jackson told CNN. The main issue, he said, was
that the items were blocking a right of way.

"People are welcome to come back and protest, but we don't want them to do it
in a way that's not safe," Jackson said.

In Oakland, California, police issued a third notice for demonstrators to
vacate city parks on Saturday, police spokeswoman Officer Johnna Watson told
CNN. The protesters had not complied with that order, Watson said.

A second notice was issued Saturday morning after a fatal shooting near the
camp, according to CNN affiliate KCBS.A man in his early 20s
was shot Friday. Authorities said one of the suspects has been "a frequent
resident at the encampment over the past several days," KCBS said.

Also Saturday, 27 protesters were arrested in St. Louis after defying an
existing park curfew, authorities said.











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Post  Panda on Tue 15 Nov - 8:30

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Police in New York have launched a
pre-dawn operation to clear the Occupy Wall Street camp in Zuccotti Park.

The city mayor's office said on
Twitter that the protesters should "temporarily leave and remove tents and
tarps" but could return once the park was clear.

Occupy Wall Street was set up in September to protests against economic
inequality and had been followed by dozens of protests around the world.

A camp in Oakland, California was cleared overnight on Monday.

The New York Times said that as the operation in Zuccotti Park began at about
01:00 (06:00 GMT), police gave an announcement, saying: "The city has determined
that the continued occupation of Zuccotti Park poses an increasing health and
fire safety hazard."

Leaflets were also handed out saying protesters would be allowed to return
once the clearance had taken place, but not to bring camping equipment.

Occupants were told to "immediately remove all private property" and that
they would be arrested if they interfered with the operation, said the notice.
Any belongings left behind would be put into storage.

The BBC's Laura Trevelyan on the edge of the park says riot police are
blocking entrances but that while protesters are frustrated the scene is calm
outside the camp.

However, the overnight action clearly took the camp by surprise, our
correspondent says.

Protesters were discussing regrouping in nearby Foley Park in lower Manhattan
and believe the manner of the clearance will only amplify their message, our
correspondent adds.

The protesters' live web stream from the park
showed crowds chanting "all day, all week, Occupy Wall Street" and "the whole
world is watching" as police moved into the camp, close to New York's financial
district.

"The police are forming a human shield, and are pushing everyone away,"
protester Rabbi Chaim Gruber told AP.

They released a statement saying: "Liberty Square (Zuccotti Park), home of
Occupy Wall Street for the past two months and birthplace of the 99% movement
that has spread across the country and around the world, is presently being
evicted by a large police force."

Police spokesman Paul Browne said most people had begun leaving the park once
the order to vacate was given but that a small group of people were refusing the
leave.

He said the park was not heavily populated at the time, the Associated Press
reports. At least one person was arrested for disorderly conduct.

The city authorities and Mayor Michael Bloomberg have come under pressure
from local businesses to shut down the camp, which has numbered about 200
occupants as it nears its two-month anniversary.

The ban on camping equipment will effectively put an end to people sleeping
in the park, says our correspondent.
Camp
deaths
The Occupy movement, inspired by the Arab Spring uprisings and economic
protest camps in Spain, is calling for a more equal distribution of wealth.
Officials said the Oakland camp
was cleared amid fears of violence

Organisers in the US say most of the country's money is held by the richest
1% of the population and that they represent the other 99%.

They have received widespread support, including from many authority figures,
but there have been concerns about safety and hygiene, while critics of the
movement say it has failed to suggest a viable alternative economic system.

The New York action comes after police arrested 33 people in Oakland,
California as they raided the protest camp in Frank Ogawa Plaza early on Monday
morning.

The camp had been marred by recent outbreaks of violence in and around it,
including a fatal shooting last week. However, camp residents had said the
killing was unconnected to their protest.

Police had declared the plaza a "crime scene" shortly they entered.

Oakland Mayor Jean Quan said she had to act after "repeated violence and this
week a murder".

"We had to bring the camp to an end before someone else got hurt."

Oakland police had said they sympathised with the protesters' cause, but
urged them to "leave peacefully, with your heads held high, so we can get police
officers back to work fighting crime in Oakland neighbourhoods".

A similar raid ended with police in riot gear arresting 50 people in
Portland, Oregon on Sunday evening.

Police in a Vermont city have also evicted protesters after a man fatally
shot himself last week inside a tent.

A number of other US cities have seen protests camps spring up in the past
two months, and the Occupy movement has also spread to Europe, South America and
Asia.



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Post  Panda on Tue 15 Nov - 11:14

At 1.30am NY Police entered the Park and contained the crowd who were forced to leave without any of their tents etc. Residents have
complained that the tents and cooking were causing disruption . The Mayor has said the protesters can return when the park is emptied but no mention of their Tents being given back.

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Post  Panda on Tue 15 Nov - 12:10

70 Protesters have been arrested , one has just been photographed being wheeled on a stretched to an Ambulance. there was no warning
and the Police were dressed in riot gear.

The Tents were confiscated, the Park has been cleaned and the protesters can return , but without their Tents or Tarps. The owner of
the Park chose not to ask the protesters to leave so it was left to the Police, who have had to bear the considerable expense.

The OWS are planning to march on the Stock Exchange on 17th

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 15 Nov - 13:59

Panda wrote:70 Protesters have been arrested , one has just been photographed being wheeled on a stretched to an Ambulance. there was no warning
and the Police were dressed in riot gear.

The Tents were confiscated, the Park has been cleaned and the protesters can return , but without their Tents or Tarps. The owner of
the Park chose not to ask the protesters to leave so it was left to the Police, who have had to bear the considerable expense.

The OWS are planning to march on the Stock Exchange on 17th

On Twitter, message that the park is being cleared again because 'there is an issue.'

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Post  AnnaEsse on Tue 15 Nov - 15:26

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Lawyers attempting to get a court order allowing protesters to return with tents.

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Post  Panda on Tue 15 Nov - 17:08

Hi AnnaEsse

The General consensus seems to be, protest as much as you like, but they had camped in this small Park for 2 months , set up kitchens, portable loos and it is a small park which denied access to the locals and residents were fed up of the mess and noise. The Mayor of New
York was due yo speak on T.V. earlier this afternoon but I missed it.

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Post  Panda on Tue 15 Nov - 18:06

The Mayor of New York determined that this was not protesting, this was SQUATTING on private land which is why the protesters were removed . They also denied access by the Public to the Park and the site was unsightly and unhygienic, fair comment I suppose.

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Post  Panda on Tue 15 Nov - 22:51

Breaking News


10:03pm UK, Tuesday November 15, 2011







Judge Backs Wall Street Protest Eviction









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10:03pm UK, Tuesday November 15, 2011





A judge has ruled Occupy Wall Street protesters must not return to the park they were evicted from earlier today.


Police entered Zuccotti Park in the city's financial district in the
early hours of this morning to force demonstrators to leave.


New York State Supreme Court Justice Lucy Billings had issued a temporary restraining order against authorities.


However the new order stops protesters going back into the park with tents, sleeping bags and other belongings.


Zuccotti Park had been closed until a final ruling was made.









Protesters have had two months to occupy the park with
tents and sleeping bags. Now they will have to occupy the space with the
power of their arguments.


Michael Bloomberg











Protesters mingled around the closed park, chanting "This is contempt of court," but made no attempt to enter.


Early Tuesday morning, hundreds of officers wearing helmets and
carrying shields and batons dismantled the sea of tents, tarps and
protests signs at the park.


More than 140 people were arrested, including around a dozen who had chained themselves to each other and to trees.


Several journalists were also arrested throughout the day as they tried to report on events.


Sanitation workers laboured through the night to clear away mounds of
trash from the privately owned, publicly accessible park, where
hundreds of people had camped, then swept and mopped the granite space.


Mr Bloomberg and the park owners, commercial real estate corporation Brookfield Office Properties, had decided that the protesters had become a health and fire safety hazard to themselves and the local community.


"Protesters have had two months to occupy the park with tents and
sleeping bags. Now they will have to occupy the space with the power of
their arguments," Mr Bloomberg said in a statement.










New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg





He added that the situation had become "intolerable."


Parts of the park had developed a stench of urine and excrement,
flower beds had been trampled, and authorities and protesters said there
had been reports of sexual assaults, thefts and drug dealing.


The Occupy Wall Street movement, which began when protesters set up
camp in Zuccotti Park on September 17, inspired an international wave of
solidarity rallies and so-called occupations.


The cleaning of the New York park came ahead of plans by protesters
to try and shut down Wall Street on Thursday by holding a street
carnival to mark the two-month anniversary of their campaign.

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The Occupy London demonstrators have been encamped near St. Paul's Cathedral for a month, but their fate is uncertain.

By JOHN F. BURNS

Published: November 15, 2011


In the sprawling pup tents that constitute the base camp for Occupy London, anti-capitalist protesters who kept vigil through the night learned from their smartphones and laptops that the police had begun dismantling the camp in New York’s Zuccotti Park known as Occupy Wall Street. The New York camp was the template for the London protest and scores like it around the world.
Clustering in the tented canteens that serve the bowls of gruel and mugs of coffee that have become the daily menu for many of the London protesters, residents of the 200 tents that curve alongside St. Paul’s and onto its iconic forecourt commiserated with their counterparts in New York and other American cities where municipal authorities have uprooted the protest encampments.
After a meeting on the cathedral’s steps of the free-for-all governing body for the London protest, a group of Americans from the encampment took the subway to Grosvenor Square, site of the American Embassy. There, flourishing their passports, the Americans unfurled a banner that read “They cannot evict an idea.” They met briefly with embassy officials, who reminded them that the evictions in New York and Oakland were local, not federal, matters.
“What they got was a lecture on the workings of American federalism,” said Naomi Colvin, a British literary agent who accompanied the Americans. Ms. Colvin is among the hundreds of people who have gathered at the St. Paul’s site, many of them unemployed but many others on leave from regular jobs.
On Tuesday, the protesters here marked the passage of a month since, barred by the police from their initial plan to set up in a square front of the London Stock Exchange, they defaulted to their second-choice site, 100 yards away beside St. Paul’s.
But any impulse to celebrate the camp’s continued existence was muted by an announcement on Tuesday by the City of London, the governing body for the capital’s financial district, that it was resuming legal action to evict the protesters.
The tented city at St. Paul’s falls within the so-called Square Mile along the north bank of the Thames that constitutes London’s equivalent of Wall Street. The cathedral, heavily endowed by the titans of British finance and regarded by them as something of a parish church, lies only a catapult’s sling from many of the financial district’s most powerful institutions, including the Bank of England.
The governing body’s statement gave no hint that it had been encouraged by the events in the United States. But it was imbued with a similar tone of distaste and urgency for a return to business-as-usual that marked pronouncements by opponents of the Occupy Wall Street protest in New York. The London camp, City officials said in their statement, was disrupting local businesses, blocking pedestrians, and causing “quite a lot of mess.”
Still, the move came as a surprise. After saying in late October that it planned to go to court for an eviction order, it shifted its position, saying it would “pause” its plans to allow for negotiations over the camp’s future among the protesters, city officials and representatives of St. Paul’s.
That led protest leaders to say they were confident of maintaining the encampment at the St. Paul’s site into 2012, and to hint that a negotiated solution could lead to the parties settling on a date sometime in late winter or early spring for a voluntary dismantling of the camp.
At least until the new threat of legal action, the London protesters — a dizzying assembly of libertarians and anarchists, Christian fundamentalists and Marxists, conspiracy theorists and individuals who appear mostly to be drawn by the daily camaraderie of camp life — had begun to see their presence at St. Paul’s as a victory in the struggle against what they describe as the greed and exploitation of global capitalism.
Within days of setting up the camp, they drew adversaries from among many of the most powerful people in Britain, from politicians like Prime Minister David Cameron and the London mayor, Boris Johnson, who supported legal moves for their eviction, to bankers and financiers who saw the camp as a threat to London’s appeal as a financial center.



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Protesters lose appeal against tents being used .

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Post  Panda on Wed 16 Nov - 16:55

Apparently the British Police had special training on the way to handle the protesters, which is why they went into the Garden after midnight.

The protesters are not allowed back in, nor given back their tents, so far. The protesters are planning to picket the Stock Exchange tomorrow
which is near the Garden, but obviously have nowhere to sleep tonight.

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Massive day of action planned for Thursday 17th

Post  AnnaEsse on Wed 16 Nov - 20:11

Undaunted by Crackdown, Occupy Wall Street and New York Activists Plan Massive Day of Action
Just days after the brutal raid on the Occupy movement's home base in Liberty Plaza, a huge day of action is planned to take the movement to another level.

New York's 99 percent aren't letting a massive middle-of-the-night police raid get them down.

November 17, the two-month anniversary of the Liberty Plaza occupation in Manhattan's financial district, has been the center of plans for massive actions for weeks now, and the crackdown by billionaire mayor Michael Bloomberg's forces early Tuesday morning has only given new determination to the organizers and activists.

“Everyone as of last night was totally exhausted and drained,” Olivia Leirer of New York Communities for Change told me, “But ready to put their energy into the 17th and to make sure the energy on the 17th is not about the police crackdown, but about the message of the movement.”

That message will be heard across New York's five boroughs, from morning til evening, on Thursday. “Storytelling and getting people's voices heard is the major theme that's running throughout everything that's happening tomorrow. There will be plenty of opportunities from sunup to sundown for people to come and tell their stories,” Leirer said.

According to the OccupyWallSt.org website (which is not run by the Liberty Plaza occupiers but an affinity group), starting at 7:00 AM, protesters will gather in Liberty Plaza and gather to “exchange stories rather than stocks.” Details are few, but rumors are flying that some dramatic unauthorized street theater is planned.

Students from universities across the city plan to walk out of class on Thursday as well. All week, students have held events as part of a coordinated Week of Action, including a lecture by acclaimed author and activist Arundhati Roy in Washington Square Park, a rally at Columbia Law School in support of locked-out Sotheby's art handlers, teach-ins, and much more.

“The real threat to health, safety, and democracy in our communities dwells in the boardrooms of Wall Street firms and universities that are destroying our economy, dismantling our education, and corrupting our political system - not among non-violent demonstrators spending cold nights in tents in Liberty Square,” said Aaron Winslow, a student at Columbia University, in a statement.

The student strike, like all of the November 17 actions, was planned ahead of time in solidarity with the activists in Liberty Plaza, but will no doubt now have new meaning for those involved. Walkouts will be occurring all day on different campuses, but, according to organizer Zoltán Glück, will converge on Union Square at 3 PM and then will march down to Foley Square to meet the rest of the protesters.

“The novelty of this,” Glück told me, “is the new level of coordination and collective action and solidarity between all the schools. There's always been organizing on different campuses, but now they're working together. Occupy Wall Street has provided the form and the forum for a dialogue to be opened up. This is building, and at this moment when it feels like we've lost a lot of territory.”

Around the city, meanwhile, subway stops will see action as well, as 16 central subway hubs will see activists telling their stories, handing out flyers, and bringing the message of the Occupy Wall Street movement to the outer boroughs, to people who don't normally come across the protest in Liberty Plaza. According to the OccupyWallSt.org site, these actions will begin at 3 PM.

The centerpiece of the day will be a massive, permitted rally at Foley Square, the site of October 5th's big union solidarity march and of a temporary meeting ground early Tuesday morning as protesters thrown out of Liberty Plaza searched for someplace to regroup.

"It's not going to be a traditional rally or march at all, it's going to be creative and exciting, we're really thrilled about the energy that's been put into it,” Leirer told me.

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Thanks AnnaEsse, I have a feeling the Protesters won"t be able to pitch their Tents anywhere now without being accused of "squatting".

There are probably many among them who are articulate enough, and knowledgeable enough to put their views across, why don"t they go for
head to head debates with Bankers etc on T.V.where they would reach a much wider audience.?

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Panda wrote:Thanks AnnaEsse, I have a feeling the Protesters won"t be able to pitch their Tents anywhere now without being accused of "squatting".

There are probably many among them who are articulate enough, and knowledgeable enough to put their views across, why don"t they go for
head to head debates with Bankers etc on T.V.where they would reach a much wider audience.?

Panda, it will be interesting to see what they've got planned for this 'Day of Action.'

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AnnaEsse wrote:
Panda wrote:Thanks AnnaEsse, I have a feeling the Protesters won"t be able to pitch their Tents anywhere now without being accused of "squatting".

There are probably many among them who are articulate enough, and knowledgeable enough to put their views across, why don"t they go for
head to head debates with Bankers etc on T.V.where they would reach a much wider audience.?

Panda, it will be interesting to see what they've got planned for this 'Day of Action.'

Morning AnnaEsse, I bet the Police will be ready and waiting to move them on. They had clashes in Oakland California and the NY Police
won"t want that to happen , they used a phsychological approach apparently to move them from the Park. Arrive after dark in great numbers,
protesters half awake, their tents confiscated after they took personal items....the Police planned it very well.

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The entrance to the Stock Exchange has been barricaded and many Police checking every person trying to get through the Barricade. Over 200 protesters have arrived and it"s only 7.30am.

The Newsrooom is saying several workers are using twitter to complain that they are not earning megabucks, not responsible for the Banks
and all they want to do is get on with their jobs.

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Scuffles have broken out in New York
as hundreds of Occupy Wall Street protesters attempted to march on the New York
Stock Exchange.

At a rally to mark two months of protest, police blocked streets and
protesters massed at junctions on the edge of the city's financial district.

Several arrests have been made, with police dragging some protesters
away.

Protests are planned for cities across the US, two days after police cleared
a camp in Zuccotti Park, New York.

In New York, city officials said they expected the number of demonstrators
could reach the tens of thousands.

A heavy police presence could be seen around the streets near the stock
exchange, with community affairs officers and riot police on duty.

The BBC's Laura Trevelyan, at the scene, says a barricade has blocked Wall
Street, and that the mood is calm but tense.

The number of protesters appeared to grow as the stock exchange opened, she
said.

US media reports suggest that only people with employee identification are
being allowed past the barricade.

Thursday's event was planned before a police raid earlier this week on the
New York Occupy camp.

The scale of Thursday's protests is likely to show if there is still life
left in a movement that has inspired solidarity protests across the US and
around the world.
'Direct action'
The day of protest, billed as an effort to shut down Wall Street, began at
07:00 (12:00 GMT).

As well as the rally, organiser
called for demonstrations in 16 New York subway stations at 15:00 (20:00
GMT), and a march from City Hall to the Brooklyn Bridge two hours later -
although police have said this will not be allowed.
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We are certainly anticipating tens of thousands of people
protesting”
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Deputy Mayor


New York Deputy Mayor Howard Wolfson told reporters the
authorities were braced for large crowds of protesters to congest subways and
bridges.

"We are certainly anticipating tens of thousands of people protesting, aimed
at significant disruption of the daily lives of people of this city," Mr Wolfson
said.

"We take it seriously. Our forces will be deployed accordingly."

After Tuesday's surprise pre-dawn raid, police allowed demonstrators to
return but banned them from setting up camp again. Numbers dwindled to less than
two dozen overnight.

Some of the 200 protesters detained during the eviction appeared in court on
Wednesday.

"This movement is really not about tents as much as it is about an idea and
we're keeping the idea through a number of direct action things planned [for
Thursday]," protest spokesman Ed Needham was quoted as saying by Reuters new
agency.

"There's also going to be events in 100 countries around the world
tomorrow."
Dorli Rainey, 84, was hit by
pepper spray in Seattle on Tuesday night

In other developments on Wednesday:


  • There was outrage after an 84-year-old Seattle woman was hit by police
    pepper spray during a march the night before
  • Up to 80 protesters were detained after they stormed a San Francisco branch
    of Bank of America and tried to set up camp in the lobby
  • In San Diego, nearly 10 people were arrested as police tried to dismantle an
    encampment in the city centre
  • Police in South Carolina began arresting Occupy Columbia demonstrators at
    the statehouse grounds
  • In London, activists outside St Paul's Cathedral were ordered to leave by
    Thursday evening or face legal action

A number of similar encampments have been removed in US cities in recent
days.

Scores of arrests were made as police removed tents in Oakland, California
and Burlington, Vermont.

But evictions went peacefully elsewhere, including Atlanta, Georgia;
Portland, Oregon; and Salt Lake City, Utah.

Local businesses complained that the camps were a nuisance, while city
officials cited health and safety concerns.

US activists say financial sector bailouts in the recession allowed banks to
resume earning huge profits and paying large bonuses, while average Americans
were saddled with high unemployment and job insecurity.

Protesters also say the richest 1% of Americans do not pay their fair share
in taxes.

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Post  Panda on Thu 17 Nov - 16:55

Protesters run into several thousand now, no intruders have entered the Stock exchange although some tried with fake ideas. Ther have been a few arrests and there will be a march from City Hall to Brooklyn Bridge with 16 Tube Stations being "invaded". The Police are keeping the roads free for traffic and the Protesters have broken for lunch.

One Analyst said the public is fed up with the protesters now and said if they started a Political Party, like "the Tea Party" and it attracted
so many members that they would elect Members there would be a greater chance of changing things, from the inside. Trouble is who
would donate to a left wing Party?

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Mass arrests at Occupy Wall Street protests




Protesters in New York clashed with police on Thursday
morning

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Occupy Wall Street demonstrators are
to march on New York's Brooklyn Bridge to top a day of protest that has seen
solidarity rallies across the US.

Activists attempted to "occupy" New York subway stations during rush hour
after they marched through the financial district earlier.

About 175 people were arrested in clashes with riot police as trouble flared
near the stock exchange.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said five policemen had minor injuries.

In rallies across the US held to mark two-months since the start of Occupy
Wall Street:


  • Los Angeles police arrested 20 people who sat in a street as hundreds
    marched downtown
  • City officials in Dallas evicted a protesters' camp there, arresting 18
  • Arrests were made in Portland, Oregon, as activists tried to "occupy" a city
    centre Wells Fargo bank branch
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At the scene


Laura Trevelyan BBC
News, New York




As the evening rush hour begins, a police watchtower overlooks Zuccotti Park,
now emptied of tents. "A police state is a terrorist state," reads a
demonstrator's placard.

The protesters are on the move; they've marched to subway stations across the
city, and are starting to rally now in Foley Square. Unions are due to be
marching with them.

A key question - what will happen when the protesters try to march over the
Brooklyn Bridge tonight? That's where 700 were arrested back at the beginning of
October. The confrontation drew the world's attention to this movement against
income inequality and corporate excess.

The NYPD say the protesters can march on the pedestrian walkway but not the
roadway - Occupy Wall Street protesters tell me that sometimes civil
disobedience is necessary to demonstrate against inequality.


In New York, police blocked streets as demonstrators
massed at junctions on the edge of the city's financial district. Police dragged
away some of the protesters during scuffles.

"You do not have a parade permit! You are blocking the street!" a police
officer told those attending the rally through a bullhorn.

Some people were arrested after they sat down at an intersection, while
others were detained as they tried to get closer to the stock exchange.

"All day, all week, shut down Wall Street!" the crowd chanted.

Frustrations boiled over in Zuccotti Park, the cradle of the nationwide
movement, as hundreds of people tried to remove barricades surrounding the area
and scuffled with baton-wielding officers.

About 700 protesters have meanwhile been rallying for free education in New
York's Union Square.

In a news conference, Mayor Bloomberg said one policeman's hand was cut and
four others had liquid - possibly vinegar - thrown at them.

Gene Williams, a bond trader, told the Associated Press he empathised with
the demonstrators.

"They have a point in a lot of ways," he said. "The fact of the matter is,
there is a schism between the rich and the poor and it's getting wider."

Thursday's events were planned before Tuesday's surprise pre-dawn raid of
Zuccotti Park, where demonstrators had camped since mid-September. Police
allowed them to return but banned them from setting up camp again.

Some of the 200 protesters detained during that eviction appeared in court on
Wednesday.

A number of similar encampments have been removed in US cities in recent
days.

Scores of arrests were made as police removed tents in Oakland, California
and Burlington, Vermont.

But evictions went peacefully elsewhere, including Atlanta, Georgia;
Portland, Oregon; and Salt Lake City, Utah.

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Post  Lioned on Thu 17 Nov - 23:07

So when is America going to pay back the 13.4 trillion dollars ? And who they going to give it to.Are we all going to get a share ?
If they are so much in debt why are they all obese ?

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Post  Panda on Thu 17 Nov - 23:16

Lioned wrote:So when is America going to pay back the 13.4 trillion dollars ? And who they going to give it to.Are we all going to get a share ?
If they are so much in debt why are they all obese ?

Hi Lioned, it"s gone up since I started the thread, it now stands at $14.3 Trillion and is owed to China. I keep forgetting the deal that Hilary Clinton made with the Chinese when the U.S. wanted to increase from the $13.4.......AnnaEsse knows it, it"s something like "domain." What it means is if the U.S. ever renages the Chinese could come into the U.S. and take anything they want, Businesses, your home, probably
Airlines and there is nothing the Americans can do about it.

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