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Post  Lioned on Sat 25 Feb - 18:40

Its certainly not the Scotland Yard review,neither is it the brave efforts of Amaral,Pat Brown or Tony Bennett and all those who work tirelessly keeping the forums and blogs going,they will certainly keep things agitated and worry the mccanns.
No ! its the fact that the mccanns have had to surround themselves with vultures,who will eventually pick the flesh of their bones and leave them exposed and vulnerable,for the sad creatures that they are.
Carter ruck and the rest couldnt give two stuffs for these people,all they want is their money.So too clarence mitchell,do you really think he is gerrys best mate ? No i dont think so either.
They will run out of money and then they will suffer the consequences which they deserve.I am sure that will happen.

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Post  marxman on Sat 25 Feb - 18:51

Totally agree, their money pit is not bottomless,
and their legal persuits, and it's ever growing costs,
will alter the allegiences, the quality and direction of
all those that have jumped on the gravy train.
Simply put, they can not keep it going, the proverbial
rats will squell and jump ship. Anyone seen Clarrie
lately?

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Post  Sara_Rose_ on Sat 25 Feb - 18:52

I think 'selling ones soul to the devil' especially so publically and dramatically has got to carry an extremely heavy price tag. So I do agree with you albeit from a slightly different slant.

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Post  ShabbyTiger on Sat 25 Feb - 18:53

Some good points there. Once the money to sue people runs out... what then? The book was their last chance of big money and once that cash has gone they are stuffed if they can't afford to pay their band of lawyers.

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Post  almostgothic on Sat 25 Feb - 19:19

Sara_Rose_ wrote:I think 'selling ones soul to the devil' especially so publically and dramatically has got to carry an extremely heavy price tag. So I do agree with you albeit from a slightly different slant.

Too right!

They sold the T7 souls too.
And those of their relatives.
That's a whole lotta casino chips to put on one number.

The odds aren't good.
And payback time will be cataclysmic for them all.

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Post  Lioned on Sat 25 Feb - 19:56

I am of the opinion that this case is unlikely to be solved through conventional means.I am certain that the mccann family will ultimately implode.Much as they may like to think they are A list celebs or Royalty they are nothing of the sort.They are two bit failed middle class not very good doctors who's average income hasn't a hope in hell of sustaining that kind of protection racket.They have not a hope in hell,which is where they will find themselves within the next two or three years.

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Post  Jean-Luc on Sat 25 Feb - 19:57

Lioned wrote:Its certainly not the Scotland Yard review,neither is it the brave efforts of Amaral,Pat Brown or Tony Bennett and all those who work tirelessly keeping the forums and blogs going,they will certainly keep things agitated and worry the mccanns.
No ! its the fact that the mccanns have had to surround themselves with vultures,who will eventually pick the flesh of their bones and leave them exposed and vulnerable,for the sad creatures that they are.
Carter ruck and the rest couldnt give two stuffs for these people,all they want is their money.So too clarence mitchell,do you really think he is gerrys best mate ? No i dont think so either.
They will run out of money and then they will suffer the consequences which they deserve.I am sure that will happen.


BRAVO! To be said as I would like to express myself. Patience is the key here

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Post  fred on Sat 25 Feb - 20:08

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BRAVO! To be said as I would like to express myself. Patience is the key here [/quote]


Is it though? I'm in despair with this now. My opinion for what it is worth, that the McCs have us all licked officially. O.k there will be the stauch group of us that will keep on putting up links and trying to prove onced and for all that they have harmed their child, but the "official story" will be the Mcs are innocent and the PJ are are a group of corrupt thugs.

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Post  jay2001 on Sat 25 Feb - 20:50

I often feel true despair and think that justice will never happen for Madeleine. Then sometimes I feel surely the truth has to be told, someone will grow a spine one day. There are a handful of people who know the truth and it must eat away at them, never knowing if that knock at the door will happen.

If the upcoming court cases and the SY review find in the parents favour I will be choked. I was totally shocked in July 2008 when the case was shelved. Since then it appears that justice was never going to happen and we'd never find out what happened to Madeleine. Currently I do feel there is a glimmer of hope. More people are following the case and finding out facts available on the net. Dr Amaral won't give up, I'm sure and Tony Bennett has a court case to face and Pat Brown is suing the parents so there will be a lot more info out there. If you relied on the UK media you'd never know it, but I live in hope that the court cases will be reported.

The Sun and Express tomorrow could increase their sales if only they'd print some facts............... Oops, sorry, I must be dreaming!

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Post  dazedandconfused on Sat 25 Feb - 21:04

jay2001 wrote:I often feel true despair and think that justice will never happen for Madeleine. Then sometimes I feel surely the truth has to be told, someone will grow a spine one day. There are a handful of people who know the truth and it must eat away at them, never knowing if that knock at the door will happen.

If the upcoming court cases and the SY review find in the parents favour I will be choked. I was totally shocked in July 2008 when the case was shelved. Since then it appears that justice was never going to happen and we'd never find out what happened to Madeleine. Currently I do feel there is a glimmer of hope. More people are following the case and finding out facts available on the net. Dr Amaral won't give up, I'm sure and Tony Bennett has a court case to face and Pat Brown is suing the parents so there will be a lot more info out there. If you relied on the UK media you'd never know it, but I live in hope that the court cases will be reported.

The Sun and Express tomorrow could increase their sales if only they'd print some facts............... Oops, sorry, I must be dreaming!

I still think there's some sort of censorship which prevents any accurate reporting so yes, it was all a dream. If it's so obvious to all of us here that what they say is a total crock, then there must be loads of astute reporters who see it our way too, so why no one is even pointing out the glaring inaccuracies in their statements and accounts of the truth is a complete mystery if they aren't being hushed.

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Post  kathybelle on Sat 25 Feb - 21:18

If the review states that the McCanns are not involved with Madeleine's disappearance, they know and we know that it will be a whitewash. They know and we know, that they are involved with Madeleine's disappearance, whether she was abducted or not. The McCanns will never be truly happy, because while they may escape prosecution, they know that at some point they will have to face Sean and Amalie, when they learn the facts of this case.

Gerry is so thick, he believes that closing forums which discuss this case, will stop Sean and Amalie from finding out what happened. On the surface, he is saying he doesn't want them to read the lies that have been printed against he and his wife, but what he really means is, he doesn't want them to read the facts of the case, which is totally different, from the fairy tale he and his wife have been spinning to Sean and Amalie for the past 4yrs and 9 months.

At this moment in time, the McCanns have total control over Sean and Amalie, but that won't always be the case. Children have a habit of growing up and remembering bad times in their lives, Sean and Amalie are no exception. It won't be long before their school mates start telling them, what they have heard their parents say. Sean and Amalie will remember their parents version of events and that is when they will begin to put two and two together.

The McCanns may be able control, what Sean and Amalie see on the internet in their home, but they won't be able to control what they see on the internet in their friends homes. Sean and Amalie will be able to access the files and read for themselves how their mother refused to answer 48 questions about Madeleine's disappearance, even after she was told that by not answering them, she was hindering the investigation. There will be lots more information that Sean and Amalie will be able to read, information that shows their parents played a part in Madeleine's disappearance, whether she was abducted or not.

When that day comes, it will be the start of the McCanns worst nightmare, that day can't come soon enough for me. I would just like to be a fly on the wall when the twins lay into them and they will, there is no doubt about it.



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Post  Lillyofthevalley on Sat 25 Feb - 21:49

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Post  Sara_Rose_ on Sat 25 Feb - 22:17

almostgothic wrote:
Sara_Rose_ wrote:I think 'selling ones soul to the devil' especially so publically and dramatically has got to carry an extremely heavy price tag. So I do agree with you albeit from a slightly different slant.

Too right!

They sold the T7 souls too.
And those of their relatives.
That's a whole lotta casino chips to put on one number.

The odds aren't good.
And payback time will be cataclysmic for them all.

Yes, I think this case has many tortured souls, people that just went along with it (some of them under instruction) for their own selfish reasons but now realise the heavy burden they've taken on.

Just imagine the protection needed if someone did decide to come forward though? jeez.. what a dodgy situation to be in, knowing things but numbed by fear of the consequences of telling the truth. It's a very tangled web they've wove; anyone speaking out will be in a very vulnerable position. I suppose it all depends on whether their conscience wins through or not, I would not like to be in their shoes.

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Post  the slave on Sun 26 Feb - 0:00

Kate wrote that dreadful bewk for the kids......poor things.

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Post  Panda on Sun 26 Feb - 0:25



I definitely think this is the last attempt to discover the truth. If the SY investigation turns up nothing new, the PJ will close the case , the McCanns
will not be able to keep the fund going which is why NSU is diversifying .

When the Circus has left Town and Forums like ours disbanded.....then comes comeuppance for the McCanns, how will Kate fill her days? Will cracks
appear in their marriage because there is no stimulus in their lives, no Celebrity Status, no pretence at Fundraising, no mixing with the rich and famous.
Nothing but the knowledge they have to face their Demons and the fact that Madeleine's death (I'm certain she is not alive) would have been avoided
if they had not been so selfish.

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Post  Angelique on Sun 26 Feb - 0:46

Panada

You wrote:

"When the Circus has left town......"

But I think that this was their ultimate goal - to carry on until ultimately they have "their version" accepted no matter how much investigation has been done - no matter how much we the general public shout "foul" - even to the point of requesting intervention by Cameron - which they did and still held their nerve. They achieved what they set out to do and this was the mantra given that time itself will wear down any dissent.

Look at this interview:
McCanns the ring interview 1.49 secs Gerry shakes head but saying "we've got to keep on' - contradiction?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/8510257/Search-for-Madeleine-McCann-must-go-on.html


6:58PM BST 12 May 2011
Kate and Gerry McCann appealed to the Prime Minister , describing him as a father who recognised the importance of children to people’s lives.
The couple said they had “tried in vain” to secure a formal inquiry and added that it was “not right that a young, vulnerable British citizen has essentially been given up on”.
The McCanns told the Prime Minister that a review could be fruitful as “the benefits of pooling together different bits of evidence can be enormous”
The couple, both from Rothley, Leicestershire, have employed a series of private detectives to search for their daughter since she went missing from Praia da Luz in southern Portugal in May 2007.
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To me this shaking of the head confirms that they do not want this searching to go on - they want it to stop soon as.





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Post  Panda on Sun 26 Feb - 1:10



Hi Angelique , if the case is closed without a resolution there will always be that stigma against the McCanns, not just from we anti-McCanns, but Joe public who have lost interest in the case and can surely see through these ridiculous regurgitated stories. The next one will be Hewitt who wrote a
letter to his Son .

Two instances for me were very significant. One was when Kate was accused of being unsympathetic and not crying and they appeared on T.V.
Kate was squeezing out a Tear but Gerry made no attempt to comfort her, no arm around the shoulder drawing her close....just a stony faced look ahead.

The second was the interview with Gerry's Mother where she says Kate had a temper and reportedly shouted at Gerry "It's me they are after, not you".

Gerry had a lot to lose if the McCanns had been charged with Neglect , or worse, neglect causing harm, his Career as a Cardiologist, the Grant
from the British Heart Foundation possible the Twins taken into care, the shame etc. If Kate was guilty of accidental homicide, Gerry took over at the
interviews, Kate hardly said a word, now Kate does the talking and Gerry says little.What is their relationship like away from the Cameras???

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Post  Guest on Sun 26 Feb - 8:04

".................... added that it was “not right that a young, vulnerable British citizen has essentially been given up on”.

Is this Healy/McCann's idea of irony?

Madeleine was essentially given up on when she was abandoned in favour of dining at the bottom of a long, tortuous and unfamiliar garden. Every night.

And that definitely was "not right".

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Post  Angelique on Sun 26 Feb - 8:27

Panda

I agree that they both had a lot to lose especially Gerry but is it possible they thought long and hard about this and whether they would be able to remain together and for how long they were prepared to stand their ground. In normal circumstances I would say yes, probably they would self destruct before the hue and cry dissipated into a faint wail.

But with the help from "all quarters" it seems that they remain steadfast in their belief that pushing their Agenda (Gerry's words) anything which comes near to bringing them within the reach of the law is dealt with and summarily squashed.

The character of both Gerry and Kate play a lot in this - didn't Kate's mother say she was stubborn and would see things through to the end - I think Gerry is the same - even if they do implode still nothing will be forthcoming that will eventually help solve this case.

Something else I picked up from the Amazon discussion :

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread628700/pg1

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Post  Angelique on Sun 26 Feb - 8:46

Another thing I wanted to say but using an iPad makes it hard to put up an ETA in my comment.

It's oddly incongruent that in a country where democracy seems to have been turned on it's head and the scales of Justice appear to be crumbling atop of the Royal Courts that we are about to have the press muzzled to within an inch of it's life. No one, not even our gossip rags will have the ability to print what it reallly thinks. :(


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Post  Lillyofthevalley on Sun 26 Feb - 8:59

kathybelle wrote:If the review states that the McCanns are not involved with Madeleine's disappearance, they know and we know that it will be a whitewash. They know and we know, that they are involved with Madeleine's disappearance, whether she was abducted or not. The McCanns will never be truly happy, because while they may escape prosecution, they know that at some point they will have to face Sean and Amalie, when they learn the facts of this case.

Gerry is so thick, he believes that closing forums which discuss this case, will stop Sean and Amalie from finding out what happened. On the surface, he is saying he doesn't want them to read the lies that have been printed against he and his wife, but what he really means is, he doesn't want them to read the facts of the case, which is totally different, from the fairy tale he and his wife have been spinning to Sean and Amalie for the past 4yrs and 9 months.

At this moment in time, the McCanns have total control over Sean and Amalie, but that won't always be the case. Children have a habit of growing up and remembering bad times in their lives, Sean and Amalie are no exception. It won't be long before their school mates start telling them, what they have heard their parents say. Sean and Amalie will remember their parents version of events and that is when they will begin to put two and two together.

The McCanns will control what Sean and Amalie see on the internet, but they won't be able to control what they see on the internet in their friends homes. Sean and Amalie will be able to access the files and read for themselves how their mother refused to answer 48 questions about Madeleine's disappearance, even after she was told that by not answering them, she was hindering the investigation. There will be lots more information that Sean and Amalie will be able to read, information that shows their parents played a part in Madeleine's disappearance, whether she was abducted or not.

When that day comes, it will be the start of the McCanns worst nightmare, that day can't come soon enough for me. I would just like to be a fly on the wall when the twins lay into them and they will, there is no doubt about it.


Kathbelle, its more to do with what all those "naughty" kids/friends will be informing the twins soon, there nothing like kids picking on other kids..."My dad/mum says, YOUR dad/mum did..........." that will imo be the McCanns worst nightmare!!!
Saying that, imo I dont think they will be around to listen to what their children will be saying or asking, imo they will be locked up, because the money will have run out and their support will be gone.

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Post  mossman on Sun 26 Feb - 9:11

The End Is Nigh wrote:".................... added that it was “not right that a young, vulnerable British citizen has essentially been given up on”.

Is this Healy/McCann's idea of irony?

Madeleine was essentially given up on when she was abandoned in favour of dining at the bottom of a long, tortuous and unfamiliar garden. Every night.

And that definitely was "not right".


This is the basis for the McCann's whole attitude to this story. It is everybody elses fault but theirs. It is even the abductors fault for taking Madeleine, not their fault for facilitating these actions by leaving her alone.

They could easily have stayed on in portugal and demand that the case not be shelved and would have done so if it were not for their arguido status, imo. They would be still sitting on top of the rock sporting wonderful tans.

But the fatal mistake they made was treating the Portugese like hill billies. They were sure the police would do as they were told. They thought they would be dazzeled like rabbits caught in the head lights of big names and media frenzy. They did not bargain on the fact that they would be a competent, thorough bunch of policemen who clearly cared about what happened to a little blonde english girl.

They have laid the blame at everybody's doorstep but their own. Internet nutters, Amaral, Bennett, the whole Porgtugese police force.

But they left her alone, they lost her, they left Portugal, they refuse to go back to aid the investigation, they refuse to tell the truth.

They and they alone gave up on their little girl, not once but twice. They left her alone in the dark, then got on a plane at the first opportunity to save themselves and left Portugal and Madeleine behind. They are the ones who have given up on her.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 26 Feb - 9:19

mossman wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:".................... added that it was “not right that a young, vulnerable British citizen has essentially been given up on”.

Is this Healy/McCann's idea of irony?

Madeleine was essentially given up on when she was abandoned in favour of dining at the bottom of a long, tortuous and unfamiliar garden. Every night.

And that definitely was "not right".


This is the basis for the McCann's whole attitude to this story. It is everybody elses fault but theirs. It is even the abductors fault for taking Madeleine, not their fault for facilitating these actions by leaving her alone.

They could easily have stayed on in portugal and demand that the case not be shelved and would have done so if it were not for their arguido status, imo. They would be still sitting on top of the rock sporting wonderful tans.

But the fatal mistake they made was treating the Portugese like hill billies. They were sure the police would do as they were told. They thought they would be dazzeled like rabbits caught in the head lights of big names and media frenzy. They did not bargain on the fact that they would be a competent, thorough bunch of policemen who clearly cared about what happened to a little blonde english girl.

They have laid the blame at everybody's doorstep but their own. Internet nutters, Amaral, Bennett, the whole Porgtugese police force.

But they left her alone, they lost her, they left Portugal, they refuse to go back to aid the investigation, they refuse to tell the truth.

They and they alone gave up on their little girl, not once but twice. They left her alone in the dark, then got on a plane at the first opportunity to save themselves and left Portugal and Madeleine behind. They are the ones who have given up on her.

And when the twins are older, they will be told that Kate and Gerry were dining in the restaurant next door!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270357/Maddie-plays-dressing-weeks-vanished-McCanns-fly-Portugal-bid-reopen-case--release-new-picture.html

Mr McCann said: ‘Sean talks all the time about finding Maddie and what he will do to the person who stole her.

‘They know they went to sleep and when they woke up she had disappeared. But they still don’t understand that somebody took her.

‘When they become aware of this I think they will want to know where we were. And we will have to explain to them that we were having dinner in the restaurant next door.’



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Post  Guest on Sun 26 Feb - 9:26

And I wonder what the then "version of the truth" will have as the number of bottles of wine consumed?

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Post  Panda on Sun 26 Feb - 9:28

Angelique wrote:Panda

I agree that they both had a lot to lose especially Gerry but is it possible they thought long and hard about this and whether they would be able to remain together and for how long they were prepared to stand their ground. In normal circumstances I would say yes, probably they would self destruct before the hue and cry dissipated into a faint wail.

But with the help from "all quarters" it seems that they remain steadfast in their belief that pushing their Agenda (Gerry's words) anything which comes near to bringing them within the reach of the law is dealt with and summarily squashed.

The character of both Gerry and Kate play a lot in this - didn't Kate's mother say she was stubborn and would see things through to the end - I think Gerry is the same - even if they do implode still nothing will be forthcoming that will eventually help solve this case.

Something else I picked up from the Amazon discussion :

Thanks Angelique.....a good find, you clever people amaze me !!1 Rather long, so read half and read the rest later. Unless Madeleine or her body is found, we will always speculate , we can only hope that we live long enough if the solution is found.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread628700/pg1

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