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Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  matthew on Mon 18 Feb - 19:04

ARE WE BEING DOUBLE-HELIXED?

Last Summer Metropolitan Police Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe commented publicly upon the status of Scotland Yard's costly, on-going review of the original Madeleine McCann investigation thus: "There will be a point at which we and the Government will want to make a decision about what the likely outcome is."

Not, you will notice, what the likely outcome might be, but what it is. And what it is will, ipso facto, wear a political complexion, otherwise the Government need not, indeed should not, be involved in the decision making process at all.

In this context, recent reports of DNA being sent from New Zealand in order simply to verify that the donor is not Madeleine McCann might be interpreted as reflecting, if not a hint of desperation, a long-term strategy; the same strategy in fact that would be embodied in the Portuguese being encouraged to pursue the 190 odd 'lines of inquiry' so far thrown up by the review.

And what is that?

Well one can't fail to be intrigued by archaeology of serious historical significance – Howard Carter and Tutankhamun, Philippa Langley and Richard III, and so on. Burials and cover ups galore! Imagine though, in the latter case, what might conceivably have ensued had the indefatigable Ms Langley, an ardent ricardian, not been prepared to face up to the newly excavated evidence before her. I refer specifically to the revelation of a distorted skeleton very early in the dig. Might she not have felt just a little tempted to say, 'leave it for now. Let's wait until more of the trench has been exposed, in case we find a straight one.' (skeleton that is).

Perhaps you can already see where this is going, but just in case, let us remind ourselves of Dr Gerry McCann's self-confessed enthusiasm for the 'rule out method' of medical diagnosis. It is of course a perfectly sensible procedural strategy; one which goes hand in glove with a limited number of ailments allied to a limited number of symptoms. It does not take forever to arrive at the correct diagnosis. If it did the patient would be more likely to die in hospital than emerge cured. Now, without repeating others' allegations, or inappropriately citing indices as evidence, it is still rather more than a reasonable assumption that ruling out Maddie claimants would be an open-ended, i.e. never ending process.

Are the Metropolitan Police being scrupulously thorough therefore, leaving no stone unturned? Or is this latest 'requirement' of a DNA sample potentially the first of many? If so, then despite their apparent rigor in ruling out cases of mistaken identity, it may just be the case that they are applying the right methodology to the wrong questions, setting aside the questions they should be asking, but would rather not (or dare not, perhaps), in favour of more politically correct propositions.

It comes down to this: If her very existence is a given, then 'will the real Madeleine McCann please stand up?' becomes a game that will run and run. Otherwise Scotland Yard should be asking questions of a completely different nature and applying the 'rule out method' to parties other than unsuspecting holiday makers in Ibiza or residents of the distant antipodes. Everyone has a double somewhere. Very young children have them in spades (and Madeleine is still only ten, possibly).

It's time therefore for Scotland Yard, the government, the press and the wider public to face up to the fact that the backbone of the Madeleine McCann investigation is crooked.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  Guest on Mon 18 Feb - 19:12

In other News, there's also a brand new Blacksmith effort, but I really can't be bothered to link it!

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Post  Carolina on Mon 18 Feb - 19:27

The End Is Nigh wrote:In other News, there's also a brand new Blacksmith effort, but I really can't be bothered to link it!

WHY?

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  Loopdaloop on Mon 18 Feb - 19:44

I agree entirely with Dr Martin Roberts perspective, its also the sherlock holmes approach! Eliminate the impossible!


I also agree with TEIN, i can no longer be bothered to read things from the blacksmith team as the quality is so inconsistent. Im also convinced one of them is a sex offender considering their posts a while back so refuse to give them a page hit.

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  Guest on Mon 18 Feb - 19:52

Carolina wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:In other News, there's also a brand new Blacksmith effort, but I really can't be bothered to link it!

WHY?

Loopdaloop summed it up nicely. Very difficult to get value any more.

And it was a prompt to Matthew who kindly brings us most of the Blacksmiths as well as these Dr.Roberts'

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Post  pennylane on Mon 18 Feb - 20:01

It's time therefore for Scotland Yard, the government, the press and the wider public to face up to the fact that the backbone of the Madeleine McCann investigation is crooked.


Indeed!

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Post  Guest on Mon 18 Feb - 20:06

I rather think all those "players" mentioned are very much aware of what's what.

Pleasant surprises to come fairly soon.

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  matthew on Mon 18 Feb - 20:32

The End Is Nigh wrote:
Carolina wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:In other News, there's also a brand new Blacksmith effort, but I really can't be bothered to link it!

WHY?

Loopdaloop summed it up nicely. Very difficult to get value any more.

And it was a prompt to Matthew who kindly brings us most of the Blacksmiths as well as these Dr.Roberts'


A prompt? you want me to post it?

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  Guest on Mon 18 Feb - 20:39

................ You might think that: I couldn't possibly say

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  matthew on Mon 18 Feb - 20:43

"McCann's are toast"...a classic...whichever one of them wrote that is alright in my book

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  jinvta on Mon 18 Feb - 20:47

pennylane wrote:It's time therefore for Scotland Yard, the government, the press and the wider public to face up to the fact that the backbone of the Madeleine McCann investigation is crooked.


Indeed!

I always felt that Scotland Yard should have insisted on lie detector tests from every single one of the Tapas Nine before any other taxpayer dollars were wasted on the investigation. The parents and their friends must first be ruled out, as it was members of their group who were last to see Madeleine. So much money has been wasted, and it all could have been avoided had SY insisted on lie detector tests before any further money was spent. Just think how bad they would have looked if they had refused!

It is still not too late. SY do the right thing. Request those lie detectors and insist upon them being carried out before any more money is squandered away.

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  pennylane on Mon 18 Feb - 20:47

The End Is Nigh wrote:I rather think all those "players" mentioned are very much aware of what's what.

Pleasant surprises to come fairly soon.

I do hope you're spot on TEIN xx

Failing something emerging out of left field that the Home Officer can't put another half baked lid on, I'm braced for Operation Grange to conclude this 'review' with one of the most corrupt and bent conclusions ever witnessed. Sorry!

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  margaret on Mon 18 Feb - 20:58

matthew wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:
Carolina wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:In other News, there's also a brand new Blacksmith effort, but I really can't be bothered to link it!

WHY?

Loopdaloop summed it up nicely. Very difficult to get value any more.

And it was a prompt to Matthew who kindly brings us most of the Blacksmiths as well as these Dr.Roberts'


A prompt? you want me to post it?

If you could, l can't find it!

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  matthew on Mon 18 Feb - 21:05

Sorry Margaret,I dont think there is one

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Post  Guest on Mon 18 Feb - 21:13

Then you are going to be especially pleased ..................... Gobsmacked is, I believe, the most apt description.

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Post  margaret on Mon 18 Feb - 21:21

matthew wrote: Sorry Margaret,I dont think there is one

Oh

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  pennylane on Mon 18 Feb - 21:41

jinvta wrote:
pennylane wrote:It's time therefore for Scotland Yard, the government, the press and the wider public to face up to the fact that the backbone of the Madeleine McCann investigation is crooked.


Indeed!

I always felt that Scotland Yard should have insisted on lie detector tests from every single one of the Tapas Nine before any other taxpayer dollars were wasted on the investigation. The parents and their friends must first be ruled out, as it was members of their group who were last to see Madeleine. So much money has been wasted, and it all could have been avoided had SY insisted on lie detector tests before any further money was spent. Just think how bad they would have looked if they had refused!

It is still not too late. SY do the right thing. Request those lie detectors and insist upon them being carried out before any more money is squandered away.

Good grief, questioning the parents and friends, and verifying their ever-changing version of events. SY aren't touching that bag of worms with a barge poll!

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Hewlett ends up as the patsy.... just as many of us feared.

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  kitti on Mon 18 Feb - 21:46

No way will he be the patsy ......people will still be thinking...did he...or didn't he....it can't be proven so it won't happen.


The only way he would be made a patsy is if there was 100% certainty he did it...and there isn't....


They will have to find a better patsy ...one that people will believe apart from the pros..

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  pennylane on Mon 18 Feb - 21:47

The End Is Nigh wrote:Then you are going to be especially pleased ..................... Gobsmacked is, I believe, the most apt description.

I hope I am well and truly gobsmacked, TEIN.

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  pennylane on Mon 18 Feb - 21:51

kitti wrote:No way will he be the patsy ......people will still be thinking...did he...or didn't he....it can't be proven so it won't happen.


The only way he would be made a patsy is if there was 100% certainty he did it...and there isn't....


They will have to find a better patsy ...one that people will believe apart from the pros..

Yeh, maybe you're right kitti.

Any Russian paedophiles recently deceased then?

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Post  dazedandconfused on Mon 18 Feb - 21:52

pennylane wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:I rather think all those "players" mentioned are very much aware of what's what.

Pleasant surprises to come fairly soon.

I do hope you're spot on TEIN xx

Failing something emerging out of left field that the Home Officer can't put another half baked lid on, I'm braced for Operation Grange to conclude this 'review' with one of the most corrupt and bent conclusions ever witnessed. Sorry!

I'll be sorry with you as that's what I think pennylane.

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Post  mara thon on Tue 19 Feb - 0:29

pennylane wrote:
The End Is Nigh wrote:I rather think all those "players" mentioned are very much aware of what's what.

Pleasant surprises to come fairly soon.

I do hope you're spot on TEIN xx

Failing something emerging out of left field that the Home Officer can't put another half baked lid on, I'm braced for Operation Grange to conclude this 'review' with one of the most corrupt and bent conclusions ever witnessed. Sorry!

I agree with you pennylane. It's been cover up and corruption from day one. The Mccanns have called the shots like no-one else in history ever has, at least as far as I know. It is unbelieveable that they have never been questioned about their many conflicting stories and changes to their stories. Unbelieveable that they have been feted as heros when they were quite simply neglectful parents who left 3 small children alone night after night. I wouldn't hold my breath hoping the Mccanns and their friends ever face any kind of justice.

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  Panda on Tue 19 Feb - 9:10

I think we ought to go back to the beginning and ask why Tony Blair and Gordon Brown went out of their way to help the McCanns??? I don't think in living memory that any couple has ever received such support from Day 1. Even when the Ambassador to Portugal , John Buck, was sent to PDL by Tony Blair and voiced his concern about the Tapas 9 statements the support was still there, Clarence was not recalled , LP were still in Portugal etc. It surely could not be just because the McCanns were Doctors.

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Re: Dr Martin Roberts 18 February 2013

Post  bill516 on Tue 19 Feb - 9:40

I have often wondered whether the SY review was to look for evidence of the 'mystery person' that has often been alluded to, and the basis for the comment " we know more than we are saying" or something like that. If the SY review has found no evidence of the 'mystery person' in the area then any hold you thought you had will have vanished quicker than the hole you leave in a bucket of water. No need for any outside influence anymore, or in otherwords your on your own, you made this mess clear it up yourselves but we (whoever they were) are not going to mess with the process.

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Tue 19 Feb - 9:50

Panda, I certainly don't think there's ever been another case like this where people with no obvious connection to government ministers have been pampered and protected by them.

It would be interesting to hear the opinions of their devoted supporters - of whom there are the odd (very odd!) one or two here - as to why they think this might be.

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