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The Murder Trial

Post  Guest on Tue 9 Jul - 22:10

The Murder Trial is on Channel 4, right now.

Wealthy businessman Nat Fraser was convicted of the murder of his wife Arlene, although the body has never been found.

He chillingly told his friend "the bairns will soon forget their mother." This was while she was still only missing, before it turned into a murder enquiry.

A bit like "she moved on". In fact by the time you tot up the arrogance of Nat Fraser, his "find the body and prove we killed her" attitude, the police/sheriff/jury are all "gullible bastards", the family home forensically scoured down to the last inch. Oh I could go on all night here with the list of parallels.

They still got him and nailed him though.

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Post  bill516 on Tue 9 Jul - 23:04

I was thinking how coincidental a program like this at this time. Nobody, no real evidence but a conviction non the less.

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Post  duncanmac on Tue 9 Jul - 23:14

Nat Fraser was convicted without a body and on circumstantial evidence alone, despite the fact in Scotland you can reach a verdict of "Not proven"
Totally different in PT from what we have learned over the past 7 years.
Circumstantial evidence amounts to nothing, 88% match to blood means nothing, and what did the prosecutor say
" Show me a body"
That case was Scotland, this one id Portugal

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Re: The Murder Trial

Post  jeanmonroe on Wed 10 Jul - 0:32

Does "gullible bastards" in Scotland translate into "f**king t*ssers" in scouse?

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Post  tanszi on Wed 10 Jul - 1:16

its a possibility. I alsowatched the programme, very interesting, and a house that the forensic guy had never seen so clean.

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Re: The Murder Trial

Post  duncanmac on Wed 10 Jul - 7:50

jeanmonroe wrote:Does "gullible bastards" in Scotland translate into "f**king t*ssers" in scouse?

Steady on now Jean, not all scousers talk like that

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Wed 10 Jul - 9:13

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-murder-trial/4od#3545499

I've been watching a lot of real life crime documentaries on YouTube and so many convictions are secured with circumstantial evidence alone.

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Re: The Murder Trial

Post  jeanmonroe on Wed 10 Jul - 11:41

duncanmac wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:Does "gullible bastards" in Scotland translate into "f**king t*ssers" in scouse?

Steady on now Jean, not all scousers talk like that

I apologise for that, what i mean't was does it translate into that by ONE particular person known as Kate McCann.

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Post  Guest on Wed 10 Jul - 16:59

No, "gullible bastards" would be a better description for Lorraine Kelly, Antonella Lazyarse, Jim Gamble and Andy Redwood.

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Post  duncanmac on Wed 10 Jul - 21:45

Thank you Jean for your courteous reply, was not expecting an apology just an understanding that not all Liverpool people act like that moron and poor excuse of a mother.

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Post  Loopdaloop on Thu 11 Jul - 3:11

thanks for bringing this to my intention. Unable to sleep so watching it now.

I would love more than anything for the case of the Mccann's to be tested in court.

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Did Hector Dick murder Arlene Fraser?

Post  Loopdaloop on Thu 11 Jul - 4:04

the farmer ;friend', hector dick is a bit suspicious, burning and crushing the car.
I wonder if he had more involvement, which included the disposal of the body, as he knew quite a bit of what 'supposedly' happened, with regard to burning of the body and grinding up of teeth etc.
Then the talk of his 'steamer' on the farm for the meal industry. I wonder what he did do!

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Thu 11 Jul - 9:57

It certainly isn't a straightforward case as far as there being more than one suspect. Originally there was a third man charged.

www.thefreelibrary.com/ARLENE+ACCUSED+DIES%3b+Friend+at+centre+of+Fraser+death+trial+has+heart...-a0151405087

Both he and the delightfully named Hector Dick had the charges against them dropped at the first trial in 2003 and he died in 2006.

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Post  Guest on Thu 11 Jul - 12:50

Loopdaloop wrote:the farmer ;friend', hector dick is a bit suspicious, burning and crushing the car.
I wonder if he had more involvement, which included the disposal of the body, as he knew quite a bit of what 'supposedly' happened, with regard to burning of the body and grinding up of teeth etc.
Then the talk of his 'steamer' on the farm for the meal industry. I wonder what he did do!
Its local belief that poor Arlene ended up in the rendering plant. There was also the case of Muriel Mckay, the wife of one of Murdoch's editors. She disappeared after a kidnap went bad and the body was never found. Again the supposition was that she was chopped up and fed to the pigs on the Hosein brothers' farm.

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Thu 11 Jul - 12:58

Yes, the McKay case was very famous. I think that it was mainly due to that one that, in all later kidnapping for ransom cases (not that there have been many in the U K), there has been a news blackout until the victim has been released to avoid spooking the kidnappers.

www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/crime-files/mckay-kidnapping/crime.html

It wasn't quite the first murder without a body trial but there certainly hadn't been many before then.

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