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Post  comperedna on Sat 3 Aug - 17:31

Yep Panda. I do know that about Blair and John Buck and all... but I try very hard to find the simplest solution without the conspiracy bit... but that is damned hard... innit?

I can think of a simple sad solution, but it would involve Blair thinking that the PJ were totally incompetent, and Portugal was trying to fit the McCanns up, and much as I dislike Blair these days, I don't think that is likely to be the case. Yes... I know also about the idea of the specially important someone else being protected... but I try hard to go for the simplest solution each time... though it may of course not be the right one.

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Post  Palmeras16 on Sat 3 Aug - 17:54

comperedna wrote:I can think of a simple sad solution, but it would involve Blair thinking that the PJ were totally incompetent, and Portugal was trying to fit the McCanns up
... and there we have it folks, the simple explanation to all those niggling questions...


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Post  almostgothic on Sat 3 Aug - 18:12

Palmeras16 wrote:
comperedna wrote:I can think of a simple sad solution, but it would involve Blair thinking that the PJ were totally incompetent, and Portugal was trying to fit the McCanns up
... and there we have it folks, the simple explanation to all those niggling questions...

But you neglected to quote the rest of comperedna's sentence, which was:
"... and much as I dislike Blair these days, I don't think that is likely to be the case."

And I don't think that is likely to be the case either.

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Post  Palmeras16 on Sat 3 Aug - 18:44

I didn't neglect to quote the rest of comperedna's sentence; I omitted it deliberately, as I don't agree with her conclusion.

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Post  cherry1 on Sat 3 Aug - 20:37

Palmeras16 wrote:
comperedna wrote:I can think of a simple sad solution, but it would involve Blair thinking that the PJ were totally incompetent, and Portugal was trying to fit the McCanns up
... and there we have it folks, the simple explanation to all those niggling questions...

 
 
British Police were working with PJ, so that means the British Police must have been involved in the fit up too!!

(If you think the Mccanns were fitted up Palmeras)

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sat 3 Aug - 22:02

cherry1 wrote:
Palmeras16 wrote:
comperedna wrote:I can think of a simple sad solution, but it would involve Blair thinking that the PJ were totally incompetent, and Portugal was trying to fit the McCanns up
... and there we have it folks, the simple explanation to all those niggling questions...

 
 
British Police were working with PJ, so that means the British Police must have been involved in the fit up too!!

(If you think the Mccanns were fitted up Palmeras)

And it was the Brit Mark Harrison who suggested bringing in the dogs and who told the PJ they should be looking for a body.

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Post  Claudia79 on Sat 3 Aug - 23:22

AnnaEsse wrote:
cherry1 wrote:
Palmeras16 wrote:
comperedna wrote:I can think of a simple sad solution, but it would involve Blair thinking that the PJ were totally incompetent, and Portugal was trying to fit the McCanns up
... and there we have it folks, the simple explanation to all those niggling questions...

 
 
British Police were working with PJ, so that means the British Police must have been involved in the fit up too!!

(If you think the Mccanns were fitted up Palmeras)

And it was the Brit Mark Harrison who suggested bringing in the dogs and who told the PJ they should be looking for a body.

Yeah, but I bet they had Portuguese girlfriends. Or they holiday here. Or like sardines. One of the three.

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 4 Aug - 6:55

Claudia79 wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:
cherry1 wrote:
Palmeras16 wrote:
comperedna wrote:I can think of a simple sad solution, but it would involve Blair thinking that the PJ were totally incompetent, and Portugal was trying to fit the McCanns up
... and there we have it folks, the simple explanation to all those niggling questions...

 
 
British Police were working with PJ, so that means the British Police must have been involved in the fit up too!!

(If you think the Mccanns were fitted up Palmeras)

And it was the Brit Mark Harrison who suggested bringing in the dogs and who told the PJ they should be looking for a body.

Yeah, but I bet they had Portuguese girlfriends. Or they holiday here. Or like sardines. One of the three.

Or regularly has coffee at a Pastelaria Portuguesa. Those little custard tarts can affect the mind you know!

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Post  Palmeras16 on Sun 4 Aug - 7:42

AnnaEsse wrote:And it was the Brit Mark Harrison who suggested bringing in the dogs and who told the PJ they should be looking for a body.

I believe that Mark Harrison’s assistance was requested by the PJ and his remit was solely to devise a search plan based on the premise that Madeleine had been murdered and her body concealed. He was not asked to consider abduction as a scenario. Given the limited scope of his brief, it isn’t surprising that he would suggest bringing in the EVRD dogs.

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Post  fred on Sun 4 Aug - 8:27

Why wouldn't the nasty corrupt, sardine munching PJ simply set up Murat if they wanted a quick finish to the case? He would have been the perfecr solution, one eyed, sneaky oddball who still lived his mum. Case closed, everyone happy (except Robert of course!)

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Post  Not Born Yesterday on Sun 4 Aug - 8:49

How I enjoy the oh too rare contributions from Palmeras16 to this forum!
 
I really would miss him or her; certainly can't say the same about the charmless Fern who hasn't been seen for six months.

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Post  Loopdaloop on Sun 4 Aug - 11:03

Not Born Yesterday wrote:How I enjoy the oh too rare contributions from Palmeras16 to this forum!
 
I really would miss him or her; certainly can't say the same about the charmless Fern who hasn't been seen for six months.

I agree. Palmeras16 is very insider knowledgable about this case and the contributions are always interesting.
Welcome back

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 4 Aug - 11:20

Palmeras16 wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:And it was the Brit Mark Harrison who suggested bringing in the dogs and who told the PJ they should be looking for a body.

I believe that Mark Harrison’s assistance was requested by the PJ and his remit was solely to devise a search plan based on the premise that Madeleine had been murdered and her body concealed. He was not asked to consider abduction as a scenario. Given the limited scope of his brief, it isn’t surprising that he would suggest bringing in the EVRD dogs.

I don't know where you found that information, but maybe you'd share it with us. Mark Harrison walked the routes the Tapas Crew said they took on their excursions to check on the children. He then walked the routes an abductor may have taken and finally advised the PJ that they should be looking for a body. If you have info on Mark's remit please share.

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Post  Palmeras16 on Sun 4 Aug - 11:44

AnnaEsse wrote:[Mark Harrison walked the routes the Tapas Crew said they took on their excursions to check on the children. He then walked the routes an abductor may have taken and finally advised the PJ that they should be looking for a body.

Please can you provide a link to substantiate this statement, AnnaEsse.




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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 4 Aug - 11:46

Palmeras16 wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:[Mark Harrison walked the routes the Tapas Crew said they took on their excursions to check on the children. He then walked the routes an abductor may have taken and finally advised the PJ that they should be looking for a body.

Please can you provide a link to substantiate this statement, AnnaEsse.




It's in Amaral's book, which can be found on this forum. Chapter 16

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Post  Palmeras16 on Sun 4 Aug - 12:13

AnnaEsse wrote:It's in Amaral's book, which can be found on this forum. Chapter 16

Ah I see, thank you.

If this were to be correct, then I'm surprised that Mark Harrison makes no reference to it in his witness statement. In fact, he clearly states that his report was, and I quote, "completed at the direct request and benefit of Guillhemino Encamacao" and "the report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz"

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Post  AnnaEsse on Sun 4 Aug - 12:14

Palmeras16 wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:It's in Amaral's book, which can be found on this forum. Chapter 16

Ah I see, thank you.

If this were to be correct, then I'm surprised that Mark Harrison makes no reference to it in his witness statement. In fact, he clearly states that his report was, and I quote, "completed at the direct request and benefit of Guillhemino Encamacao" and "the report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz"

I'm sure it is correct.

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Post  Palmeras16 on Sun 4 Aug - 12:27

AnnaEsse wrote:I'm sure it is correct.

I myself believe Mark Harrison's witness statement in the official files to be correct.

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Post  DavidA on Sun 4 Aug - 12:36

Palmeras16 wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:I'm sure it is correct.

I myself believe Mark Harrison's witness statement in the official files to be correct.

I think it is possible both are correct. They are not opposites.

Could it be that after walking the route Mark Harrison advised the PJ he believed abduction was not likely (but perhaps he was not sure), and therefore the PJ asked him to consider the search area from that perspective.

For a statement, Mark Harrison could only declare as sure what he had been asked to do by the PJ. The other part would have been his speculation based on the walk of the route which he may not have wanted to put in an official statement.


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Post  MaryB on Sun 4 Aug - 12:37

And what about that UK policeman witness called by Mr Amaral to give evidence in his defence at the book banning trial. And they wouldn't allow him to give evidence as it was part of the confidentiality of a case that was not closed. Hmmm!!!

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Post  Palmeras16 on Sun 4 Aug - 13:25

[quote="DavidA]I think it is possible both are correct. They are not opposites.[/quote]

No, only one can be correct. Mark Harrison either instigated the search for a cadaver, and failed to mention this salient point in his witness statement, or he was brought in and given a specific brief by the PJ to only consider homicide and concealment. I can find no reference in the files that Mark Harrison was asked to consider abduction as an option.

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Post  Carolina on Sun 4 Aug - 13:27

Palmeras16 wrote:
AnnaEsse wrote:It's in Amaral's book, which can be found on this forum. Chapter 16

Ah I see, thank you.

If this were to be correct, then I'm surprised that Mark Harrison makes no reference to it in his witness statement. In fact, he clearly states that his report was, and I quote, "completed at the direct request and benefit of Guillhemino Encamacao" and "the report considers solely the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by Police in Zone 1 around Praia Da Luz"

The British police in the Algarve suggested to the PJ that they use Mark Harrison to study the terrain and in conformity with the legal requirements, the Portuguese authorities made the requests since it was their investigation and in their country. It was not up to the British to ask him to come. Furthermore, the quote "the report solely considers the possibility that Madeleine McCann has been murdered and her body is concealed within the areas previously searched by the Police in Zone 12 around Praia da Luz" is the conclusion that MH came to and not an imposition made by the Portuguese. Do not forget that when MH made his study he was accompanied by the PJ, the Leicestershire police and SY. If the PJ had made this condition and MH found that it was not a viable possibility he would have said so. BTW, is this quote a translation from the Portuguese or a direct quote from the English?

Also, it seems that the British were impressed enough with the report to suggest bringing in Eddie and Keela.


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Post  comperedna on Sun 4 Aug - 13:30

Someone of the calibre of Mark Harrison would not NEED to be 'told to consider abduction as an option', or not. Such a man exercises his brain and gives his opinions and judgements as they are.

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Post  Palmeras16 on Sun 4 Aug - 14:00

A copy of Mark Harrison's witness statement can be found here http://www.mccannfiles.com/id293.html. It is patently obvious that he was given a very limited brief which solely considered the possibility that Madeleine had been murdered and her body concealed. He was not asked to consider abduction or any other scenario, and I quote from Mark Harrison's witness statement "other scenarios or possibilities may on request be considered and be subject of a further report"

In my humble opinion, the official files are a better factual source than a book based on speculation, hunches, hypothesis or the never-been-wrong-before signals from the co-ordinators bunion.

I'm done with wading through molasses folks, enjoy the rest of the weekend.


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Post  Carolina on Sun 4 Aug - 14:15

Palmeras16 wrote:A copy of Mark Harrison's witness statement can be found here http://www.mccannfiles.com/id293.html. It is patently obvious that he was given a very limited brief which solely considered the possibility that Madeleine had been murdered and her body concealed. He was not asked to consider abduction or any other scenario, and I quote from Mark Harrison's witness statement "other scenarios or possibilities may on request be considered and be subject of a further report"

In my humble opinion, the official files are a better factual source than a book based on speculation, hunches, hypothesis or the never-been-wrong-before signals from the co-ordinators bunion.

I'm done with wading through molasses folks, enjoy the rest of the weekend.


His statement does not in any way mean that he was only given the scenario of death and concealment to follow. It means that if they want him to study any other possibilities he could if they so requested but it is obvious that his initial conclusion was that Maddie was dead and that the answer was in Praia da Luz. His conclusions were a shock to the Portuguese police because they were still hoping that they could find her alive. Do you think that Mark Harrison just does "made to order" reports just to satisfy the "customer's" request?

BTW, I've had enough of your insulting GA and his book was in no way based on hunches and speculation. I suggest that you read the "acordão" from the court ruling overturning the book ban, it would be eye opening for you. It amuses me how you grasp as straws to justify your trashing of the investigation and the results.

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