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Post  interested on Sat 22 Mar - 23:09

Front page of Sunday Express: "Police At War Over Maddie" "Scotland Yard and Portuguese fall out over identity of key suspect"

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Post  kitti on Sun 23 Mar - 7:12

They haven't 'fallen out'


SY were told to 'shut it' and they still continue to spout rubbish and the PJ are fed up with it all.



I wonder if there is a purpose for all this crap that SY are reporting.


Are they doing this to get a reaction from the PJ or are SY doing this so the PJ get so fed up they say, here you are, deal with it yourself.

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Post  Panda on Sun 23 Mar - 8:46

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Sunday Express.....front page

Post  Panda on Sun 23 Mar - 8:50

High-ranking officers in Portugal are convinced African thief Euclides Monteiro took Madeleine and was responsible for sex attacks on five other British girls before being killed in a tractor accident in 2009.

However, the frustrated Yard team believes there is insufficient evidence. One attack believed to be significant to the Madeleine inquiry took place the year after Monteiro died. The clash is threatening to stall the Yard probe at a crucial time, with detectives here having made 287 requests for leads to be pursued in Portugal.

The Sunday Express understands they have asked for forensic work at holiday apartments where sex attacks took place, in their hunt for a breakthrough clue, a fingerprint or hair.

Yet delays by Portuguese officials are slowing progress and increasing tensions between the two forces.

Last week Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt admitted he was “frustrated” with the pace of the investigation.

The Yard is interested in Monteiro but pointedly declined to name him during a briefing for journalists last week when it made a fresh appeal for help from the public. The ex-junkie was sacked as a waiter at an Ocean Club restaurant in Praia da Luz for stealing a year before Madeleine vanished from a holiday apartment there in May 2007.

Portuguese police have been interested in the volume of calls on his mobile phone on the night she vanished, which indicate he was near the scene.

Yard officers want to know if he acted alone as a thief or was part of a wider, more sinister paedophile ring which could still pose a risk to British children holidaying on the Algarve.

They also want to investigate possible links with burglars operating in Praia da Luz whom he was known to associate with.

Last week the Yard revealed it was focusing on 12 “potentially” linked break-ins between 2004 and 2010 on the western Algarve. In four cases between 2004 and 2006 a man sexually assaulted five white girls aged between seven and 10 in their beds. Two were assaulted in one villa.

The man remained calm throughout all the attacks and even when disturbed by waking parents or children he made no attempt to run away, leaving villas slowly, apparently unconcerned about being caught.

Two break-ins occurred in Praia da Luz in 2006 and 2010 but children were not assaulted in those incidents. As Monteiro died in 2009 he could not have been responsible for the last break-in in 2010.

In most of the 12 cases nothing was taken and there was no sign of forced entry, suggesting access to holiday apartment keys. All were within about an hour’s drive.

The Yard said: “Witnesses describe the man as having dark, as in tanned, skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke English with a foreign accent. His voice was described as slow or possibly slurred.”

INVESTIGATION: Two e-fit images of the man Scotland Yard detectives want to question [PA]

Witnesses describe the man as having dark, as in tanned, skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke English with a foreign accent. His voice was described as slow or possibly slurred
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Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said: “We need to establish the identity of this man. These offences are very serious and no one has been charged. We also need to eliminate this man from our inquiries and ascertain whether these offences are linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.”

Portuguese police later leaked that the person being sought was identified by their officers as Monteiro, although he was never formally charged with any of the offences because of insufficient evidence.

However, the information offered by the Yard suggests it is far from convinced by the evidence uncovered by Portuguese detectives. They have Monteiro’s DNA as the Cape Verde immigrant had served time for theft.

British officers have pointed out to the Portuguese that a key sighting of a man holding a child in Luz at 10pm, shortly after Madeleine was taken, was not of a black man. Irishman Martin Smith and family saw him.

Former Portuguese inspector Goncalo Amaral was about to fly Mr Smith to Portugal when he was removed from the case. DCI Redwood said last week: “We still need to establish the identity of a man seen by three witnesses, carrying a child fitting Madeleine’s description towards the beach or town at about 22.00 on the night Madeleine disappeared.

“The witnesses have described the man in the e-fits as being white, aged in his 30s, with short brown hair of medium build, medium height and clean shaven.”

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There is a photo of Madeleine, the one in the red velvet dress.  

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Post  jassi on Sun 23 Mar - 10:54

Sounds like pink propaganda to me, aimed at undermining cooperation between the two police forces.

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Re: Police At War Over Maddie - Sunday Express

Post  Panda on Sun 23 Mar - 11:44

Well all the Press are singing from the same hymnsheet could be Clarence doing the bidding of the McCanns but if so he is playing a dangerous game. The Portugese will say the Press are getting their information from SY , no second warning, banned from entering Portugal or giving the U.K. Press any more information. Cameron would be very silly to intervene because SY deliberately ignored  the Portugese  criticism  and if he has any sense he will close the Investigation now.


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Re: Police At War Over Maddie - Sunday Express

Post  mossman on Sun 23 Mar - 11:44

What family goes on holiday, finds a man in their child's bedroom, discovers the child has been abused by the animal and never reports it ? Is that truly possible ? One family maybe, two perhaps, but didn't Redwood say there were five such calls ?

The reference made by Redwood to the man being calm leaving the villas is astounding. Did nobody think to follow him, hit him, scream ? Again in one case maybe, two perhaps, but every case ?

I'm at the point where I don't believe my own name anymore.

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Post  Panda on Sun 23 Mar - 12:10

mossman wrote:What family goes on holiday, finds a man in their child's bedroom, discovers the child has been abused by the animal and never reports it ?  Is that truly possible ?  One family maybe, two perhaps, but didn't Redwood say there were five such calls ?

The reference made by Redwood to the man being calm leaving the villas is astounding.  Did nobody think to follow him, hit him, scream ?  Again in one case maybe, two perhaps, but every case ?

I'm at the point where I don't believe my own name anymore.

It's mossman love.  

Seriously though, after the Crimewatch fiasco which acheived nothing SY has lost the plot by giving the Press all this ridiculous information .
The Press printed it although they know it is codswallop in the hope of extra sales, but the Public are not interested any more and are savvy enough not to believe the Report.

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Re: Police At War Over Maddie - Sunday Express

Post  frencheuropean on Sun 23 Mar - 12:27

The last paragraph is interesting:

"British officers have pointed out to the Portuguese that a key sighting of a man holding a child in Luz at 10pm, shortly after Madeleine was taken, was not of a black man. Irishman Martin Smith and family saw him.

Former Portuguese inspector Goncalo Amaral was about to fly Mr Smith to Portugal when he was removed from the case. DCI Redwood said last week: “We still need to establish the identity of a man seen by three witnesses, carrying a child fitting Madeleine’s description towards the beach or town at about 22.00 on the night Madeleine disappeared.

“The witnesses have described the man in the e-fits as being white, aged in his 30s, with short brown hair of medium build, medium height and clean shaven.”


They not only stress the importance of the Smith's sighting, they also mention the e-fits and the fact that Gonçalo Amaral was probably right when he was dismissed.

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Post  Panda on Sun 23 Mar - 12:56

frencheuropean wrote:The last paragraph is interesting:

"British officers have pointed out to the Portuguese that a key sighting of a man holding a child in Luz at 10pm, shortly after Madeleine was taken, was not of a black man. Irishman Martin Smith and family saw him.

Former Portuguese inspector Goncalo Amaral was about to fly Mr Smith to Portugal when he was removed from the case. DCI Redwood said last week: “We still need to establish the identity of a man seen by three witnesses, carrying a child fitting Madeleine’s description towards the beach or town at about 22.00 on the night Madeleine disappeared.

“The witnesses have described the man in the e-fits as being white, aged in his 30s, with short brown hair of medium build, medium height and clean shaven.”


They not only stress the importance of the Smith's sighting, they also mention the e-fits and the fact that Gonçalo Amaral was probably right when he was dismissed.

Hi frencheuropean, I think Smith went to the Police while he was in PDL and made a short statement and as you know he said he recognised the person he saw months later climbing up the steps of an Aircraft by the way he carried the child. The Portugese Police asked the Guarda to interview the Smiths in their home. Mr Smith made a statement but his wife wouldn't , don't know if the Son did. I don't know when Amaral was dismissed , we can find out, but the McCanns didn't leave Jersey until September.

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Post  Panda on Sun 23 Mar - 13:11

Amaral was dismeiised on 2nd October couldn't find the date the Mccanns returned to UK but think it was September.

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Post  frencheuropean on Sun 23 Mar - 14:04

Hello Panda.

According to G.Amaral ( Maddie l'enquête interdite, page 200/201) The Smiths recognize Gerry McCann in september 07 when they come back ( report on Irish BBC). They contact the Police. At the end of september, Amaral and his team receive this information and they decide to ask the Smiths to come to Portugal, to formaly identify, with the BBC images, Gerry Mccann and to try a reconstruction. The head of the PJ agrees.Everything is ready for them to come back ( but for the name of the hotel).But after the Amaral's removal, The PJ changes his mind and ask the Irish police to question the Smith in Ireland.It will take several months for the Smith to be interviewed. Enough time for some people to be informed of the existence of the Smith, and even to try to contact the family.

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Post  mossman on Sun 23 Mar - 14:15

frencheuropean wrote:Hello Panda.

According to G.Amaral ( Maddie l'enquête interdite, page 200/201) The Smiths recognize Gerry McCann in september 07 when they come back ( report on Irish BBC). They contact the Police. At the end of september, Amaral and his team receive this information and they decide to ask the Smiths to come to Portugal, to formaly identify, with the BBC images, Gerry Mccann and to try a reconstruction. The head of the PJ agrees.Everything is ready for them to come back ( but for the name of the hotel).But after the Amaral's removal, The PJ changes his mind and ask the Irish police to question the Smith in Ireland.It will take several months for the Smith to be interviewed. Enough time for some people to be informed of the existence of the Smith, and even to try to contact the family.


The next sequence was Smith giving his statement to Gardai, stating that he had been contacted by Kennedy/ investigators. It was also stated at that time his wife did not wish to make another statement. This suggests to me she had made a first statement. It's not in the files as far as I can find. I find that very interesting. If it is with-held, why ? Apologies to male members,but often times females are very observant when it comes to small children. I would like to know what she observed.

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Post  Panda on Sun 23 Mar - 14:49

frencheuropean wrote:Hello Panda.

According to G.Amaral ( Maddie l'enquête interdite, page 200/201) The Smiths recognize Gerry McCann in september 07 when they come back ( report on Irish BBC). They contact the Police. At the end of september, Amaral and his team receive this information and they decide to ask the Smiths to come to Portugal, to formaly identify, with the BBC images, Gerry Mccann and to try a reconstruction. The head of the PJ agrees.Everything is ready for them to come back ( but for the name of the hotel).But after the Amaral's removal, The PJ changes his mind and ask the Irish police to question the Smith in Ireland.It will take several months for the Smith to be interviewed. Enough time for some people to be informed of the existence of the Smith, and even to try to contact the family.


Thanks frencheuropean ...so it took almost a month for Amaral to receive the information??? Which police did they contact? It couldn.t have been the Guarda because they were asked by Portugal to interview the Smith Family. Personally, I don't think the Man the Smith Family saw. , in fact Mrs Smith declined to make a statement to the Guarda. Also Mr Smith went to the Portugese police and made a statement of his own accord before he left PDL.

Looking Back, if the Tapas 9 had done a reconstruction while 5a was empty which proved to differ from their original statement I think a couple of them would have told the truth, I remember reading that according to Oldfields Lawyer he had gone back to Portugal to change his Statement. The Staff at the Restaurant would have had different timelines to the McCanns, Mrs Fenn would have re-enacted her statement and the whole picture would have changed..

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Post  Panda on Sun 23 Mar - 15:02

mossman wrote:
frencheuropean wrote:Hello Panda.

According to G.Amaral ( Maddie l'enquête interdite, page 200/201) The Smiths recognize Gerry McCann in september 07 when they come back ( report on Irish BBC). They contact the Police. At the end of september, Amaral and his team receive this information and they decide to ask the Smiths to come to Portugal, to formaly identify, with the BBC images, Gerry Mccann and to try a reconstruction. The head of the PJ agrees.Everything is ready for them to come back ( but for the name of the hotel).But after the Amaral's removal, The PJ changes his mind and ask the Irish police to question the Smith in Ireland.It will take several months for the Smith to be interviewed. Enough time for some people to be informed of the existence of the Smith, and even to try to contact the family.


The next sequence was Smith giving his statement to Gardai, stating that he had been contacted by Kennedy/ investigators.  It was also stated at that time his wife did not wish to make another statement.  This suggests to me she had made a first statement.  It's not in the files as far as I can find.  I find that very interesting.  If it is with-held, why ?  Apologies to male members,but often times females are very observant when it comes to small children.  I would like to know what she observed.

Hi mossman, Smith made a Statement while he was still in PDL the night Madeleine disappeared.No record of Mrs Smith making one, the next statement by Mr Smith was with the Irish Police, that's the one Mrs Smith declined to make. I thought because she just didn't want to get involved , maybe didin't see the picture of Gerry on the Airline steps, it was the Son who phoned Mr. Smith to tell him to turn on his T.V.

I can't see an ending where we know what really happened, I think the case will be closed quite soon, especially when the Portugese police read all this drivel from the Press.  

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Post  mossman on Sun 23 Mar - 16:53

Hi Panda. No, Martin Smith made his first statement on 26th of May in Portugal.

At the time of the statement to the Irish police it was stated Mrs Smith did not want to make another. This suggests she had already made one, in May 2007. If she had not previously made one, why say she declined to make another. So if its not been released, why ?

All the statements are here.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

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Post  Panda on Sun 23 Mar - 17:19

mossman wrote:Hi Panda.  No, Martin Smith made his first statement on 26th of May in Portugal.

At the time of the statement to the Irish police it was stated Mrs Smith did not want to make another.  This suggests she had already made one, in May 2007.  If she had not previously made one, why say she declined to make another.  So if its not been released, why ?

All the statements are here.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

This is how i read it mossman

Mr Smith contacts either by phone or visit to the Portugese Police when he was told about the abduction before 9th May when he was returning to Ireland. He must have been contacted by the Police to return to give a full statement which he and Mrs Smith gave on 26th of May in Portugal. Brian Kennedy had interviewed them and he had Press problems . The Portugese Police contacted the Irish Police to ask for another statement which took place in the Smith home on 30th January 2008

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