has the fat lady sung yet?

We all know the saying it isn't over until the fat lady sings. I have a feeling that this referendum we've just had still has some mileage. Sturgeon of course was never going to be satisfied with the result of the Scottish referendum, and is now demanding another . Cameron has resigned, and Labour MP's have tabled a motion of no confidence in Corbyn, not that anyone had any confidence in a recycled communist in the first place.

Juncker, Merkel, and Hollande will I have no doubt be kicking themselves that when Cameron was asking for concessions he got none. Oh it was all dressed up as the greatest victory since Agincourt, but the reality was that he got nothing.. I have no doubt at all, that there will be high level talks, probably held in secret, and we will this time be offered something substantial. If for no other reason than to prevent other nations states such as Czechoslovakia, and even Germany and France shouting for their opportunity: Then we'll be asked to vote again a la Eire I have no doubt at all, and this time get the right answer.

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts. Things will settle down if we leave well enough alone

Good afternoon Katertaif. No she has not sung yet but the sooner the better. This referendum was a huge leap for democracy. It was fought between the 'have's' and the 'have not's'. Well the 'have not's' have won and the have's don't like it. They don't have to worry about school places for their children, the crumbling NHS, people not able to get a GP, the lack of housing, the awful depressed areas. They are all nice and cosy thank you and don't want to rock the boat. That is why they are signing a petition to overturn the referendum.

What I see is that we have become so fed up of the undemocratic, mostly unelected elite in the EU, who do not seem to care about any of it's citizens. They just carry on regardless of the way people are feeling. If it is to survive it needs huge reforms but it is not capable of that. As any dissenting voice is immediately put in it's place and they carry on with creating an ever more federal state. The European army is quite a worrying thing and I dread the thought of that one.

I am sure the EU elite will punish us as much as they can in order that no one will take our example and follow. They have already said that. An MP who is a Leave supporter said " if you are a member of a club that wants to kneecap you because you want to leave, why would you want to be a member of that club"

I am very proud of our Nation, all the people who had the bravery to vote Leave knowing we would have an uphill battle to fight. Quite willing to defy all the scaremongering and threats that were thrown at them. Bring it on they said, we are happy to fight for our democracy.

It is time now for people that did not like the result to stop throwing their toys out of the pram and all work together to make this a success story. It is in the Nations interest that we do. A leading flag for others that have had enough of the increasing federal, undemocratic gravy train that is the EU.

Well explained fuzeta, you have hit the nail on the head,and yes we should just get out as we are expected to ,why would we expect to hang around to suitour government ? I just hope that the rumour going around ,can not be possible at all .To keep the other side happy ,why would there be a 2nd vote ? Have you read that may be what people will want? joyce1938

joyce1938 wrote:Well explained fuzeta, you have hit the nail on the head,and yes we should just get out as we are expected to ,why would  we expect to hang around to suitour government ? I just hope that the rumour going around ,can not be possible at all .To keep the other side happy ,why would there be a 2nd vote ? Have you read that may be what people will want? joyce1938

Another vote would be totally undemocratic. Didn't the same thing happen in Ireland....kept having referendums until they got the result they wanted? Isn't Scotland trying to do the same thing. In or out doesn't matter, another vote goes against democracy...which I thought this was all about....how many times have I heard of the undemocratic, unelected elite in Europe?.

It's done now, for better or worse....we need to get on with it. Cannot believe that Cameron has bailed out after starting the whole thing off.

joyce1938 wrote:Well explained fuzeta, you have hit the nail on the head,and yes we should just get out as we are expected to ,why would  we expect to hang around to suitour government ? I just hope that the rumour going around ,can not be possible at all .To keep the other side happy ,why would there be a 2nd vote ? Have you read that may be what people will want? joyce1938

Thank you Joyce, well over a million have signed a petition to have another referendum, which of course will have to be brought before parliament. So it's anyone's guess!

Angelina wrote:

joyce1938 wrote:Well explained fuzeta, you have hit the nail on the head,and yes we should just get out as we are expected to ,why would  we expect to hang around to suitour government ? I just hope that the rumour going around ,can not be possible at all .To keep the other side happy ,why would there be a 2nd vote ? Have you read that may be what people will want? joyce1938

Another vote would be totally undemocratic.    Didn't the same thing happen in Ireland....kept having referendums until they got the result they wanted?    Isn't Scotland trying to do the same thing.      In or out doesn't matter, another vote goes against democracy...which I thought this was all about....how many times have I heard of the undemocratic, unelected elite in Europe?.

It's done now, for better or worse....we need to get on with it.     Cannot believe that Cameron has bailed out after starting the whole thing off.

Hello Angelina yes it surely would go against democracy but some do not respect it.  As far as Cameron is concerned I am glad he has gone.  His heart is not in leaving the EU, as you have said before he called a referendum because he was afraid of losing votes to UKIP.  He will not be the best person to make sure that we have fair negotiations, it will be tough and we need the people involved to stand up for us and not take any nonsense. They will try and stuff us that is for sure.  At least the events over the last few days have shown that it is a huge blow to them for us to leave. Well they have treated us like you know what so they are now reaping what they have sewn.   You are right we need to get on with it but they are trying to pressure us before we get our breath back. As you say the sooner the better.

PETITION HAS REACHED OVER 2 MILLION ,SO TV SAYS.

ONE LOSER MIGHT BE WORKFARE SCHEMES,A FRAUD AND WASTE OF MONEY THEY ARE.

MY BROTHER SAYS THE FACT SECTION 50 HASN'T BEEN INVOKED MIGHT BE AN INDICATION THAT BREXIT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

Your brother may very well be right. It appears that these exit  referendums are merely advisory, and can therefore be ignored, especially since Cameron practically said article 50 will not be invoked until October. By then I expect Juncker, Merkel, Hollande and co to cobble up some sort of extra concessions, bearing in mind that practically speaking Cameron got zip from them at the time. Then armed with that please rethink Britain. The Liberals at least have shown their contempt for democracy, as have the 2 million plus signatures. The majority  are to be disenfranchised

I SAW A HEADLINE JUST MOMENTS AGO ON MSN SAYING PETITION HAS REACHED 3 MILLION.
SOME ARE SAYING GENERAL ELEDCTION WILL BE CALLED.
LABOUR IS IN CHAOS.
IF WE ARE TO NEGOTIATE,FIRST WE NEED A LEADER.

Good afternoon both.  Apparently the petition with these signatures is being investigated for fraud.  The petition allows people to only give a name and email address, then any address they can think of, so you can guess the rest.  Many people are signing it who are not even allowed to vote, one way or another.   Many are kids, non British citizens, people from other countries and the nuts that will jump on to anything. Also many signing it several times.  I hope it is treated with the contempt it deserves.

Why must all look to the future and help the UK steer it's way through as smoothly as possible. What use will it be to anyone to cause unrest and  we bring  ourselves down?  Some people would enjoy that of course.

Is this the time when some very genuine gripes and concerns - long ignored by successive governments - are finally going to boil over? The referendum, rightly or wrongly, has finally given the people of the UK a an actual choice. Unfortunately, it's not necessary been seen as a choice re Europe but as a chance to voice fears/hopes/desperation felt by ordinary people in their every days lives. For years Governments - and not just UK Governments - have refused to listen to the voters. Too many old-fashioned thinkers in Brussels...the world has changed but they haven't.

fuzeta wrote:Good afternoon both.  Apparently the petition with these signatures is being investigated for fraud.  The petition allows people to only give a name and email address, then any address they can think of, so you can guess the rest.  Many people are signing it who are not even allowed to vote, one way or another.   Many are kids, non British citizens, people from other countries and the nuts that will jump on to anything. Also many signing it several times.  I hope it is treated with the contempt it deserves.

Why must all look to the future and help the UK steer it's way through as smoothly as possible. What use will it be to anyone to cause unrest and  we bring  ourselves down?  Some people would enjoy that of course.

39,000 have signed the petition from Vatican city in spite of there being only 800 inhabitants,i read from guardian.

CAMERON HAS SAID BRITAIN WILL LEAVE EU.
ARTICLES ARE APPEARING SAYING PEOPLE ARE REGRETING VOTING BREXIT.

IT IS BEING SAID ARTICLE 50 CAN'T BE INVOKED UNTIL PARLIAMENT VOTES ON THE MATTER.
CORBYN IS ALLEGED TO HAVE VOTED LEAVE BY SOMEONE WHO MET HIM IN A SANDWICH BAR.

AN ARTICLE ONLINE IN GUARDIAN SAYS BREXIT MIGHT BE UNLAWFUL,SUBJECT TO JUDICIAL REVIEW.
GROUNDS FOR APPEAL COULD BE THAT IT WAS TAKEN IN PARTY POLITICAL INTERESTS RATHER THAN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
WE LIVE IN INTERESTING TIMES.

MR GOVE AND MRS MAY HAVE SAID ARTICLE 50 WILL ONLY BE INVOKED AT YEAR'S END

I SAW A HEADLINE SAYING EU HAS TOLD SWITZERLAND YOU HAVE TO ALLOW FREE MOVEMENT IF YOU ASSOCIATE WITH THEM.

Badboy wrote:AN ARTICLE ONLINE IN GUARDIAN SAYS BREXIT MIGHT BE UNLAWFUL,SUBJECT TO JUDICIAL REVIEW.
GROUNDS FOR APPEAL COULD BE THAT IT WAS TAKEN IN PARTY POLITICAL INTERESTS RATHER THAN THE PUBLIC INTEREST.
WE LIVE IN INTERESTING TIMES.

We may live in interesting times, but we have to remember that every man "and woman" jack of them with MP (master plunderer) after their names is interested in maintaining the status quo. If there is any way they can chuck the results in the bin, they will do so. As long as they can blame someone else for it that is. The Liberals have already demonstrated their lack of interest in democracy. Labour and the tories are in complete disarray. It's a comfortable life, and they want it to stay that way. All this will delay the triggering of article 50. Should it prove impossible to scrap the referendum, there will be a scramble as each of them looks for a new comfortable niche.Keith Vaz may have to find a few new committees. Those alone must double the salary he gets for being an MP, while demonstrating that whatever they claim, being an MP is not a full time job.

100 BARRISTERS HAVE SAID THAT ONLY IF A MAJORITY OFMPS VOTE FOR BREXIT WILL IT BE LAWFUL FOR ARTICLE 50 TO BE INVOKED.
THERESA MAY SEEMS TO HAVE GOT IN IF TWITTER IS ANY GUIDE.

IT APPEARS THAT BREXIT/ARTICLE 50 ILL ONLY HAPPEN AT END OF NEXT YEAR.

IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT BREXIT NEGIATIONS MIGHT DRAG ON SO IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN.

So according to the Guardian today we are supposedly going to be offered a deal as regards the ' Single market' although not all member states agreeing with it!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

Well if that is the deal and I was in government I know what I would say. I wonder at the absolute blasted cheek of these people. They are offering us a seven year block on free movement in exchange for us remaining in the Single Market. They want to continue controlling us, for them to continue supplying us with tariff free goods and they also want us to continue to pay them a sizeable sum for this dubious privilege. Oh and then all will go back to, as it was, in 7 years time. Plus with the added disadvantage that we would have no vote at all about what is going on. We never did anyway so no difference there. This does not sound any sort of deal for us to me, just them thinking of damage limitation if we go.

Boris has stated that he thinks this looks good, what kind of fool is he? He never had any intention of leaving the EU. That is why Michael Gove stopped him from being a candidate for PM.

Why on earth are we not looking elsewhere to trade? Canada and Australia have told us that they are very keen to strike trade deals with us, we cannot do this if members of the single market. Theresa May said Brexit means Brexit, whilst she wants us to remain a member of the single market this will not happen. I just hope that David Davies has the necessary equipment to tell them where to go.

All just IMO

APPEARS BREXIT WILL NOT HAPPEN UNTIL 2019.
SEEMS A LONG WHILE.