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Post  Susan on Thu 7 Aug - 22:32

Dear Ambersuz / Susana,

I don't know how to thank you!!!!!!!!!! This is wonderfull, precious information, coming from a scientist with an indisputable reputation!!!

Thank you very much, for your help and your kindness! I will look at these links and write a post, as soon as I finish my diner (if you can call that to a sandwich and a glass of milk...)

Regards

Paulo Reis



We can now post this on our little forum tomorrow if its on his page in the morning :)

Thanks to YoullNeverGuess for finding this information
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Sir Alec Jeffreys and DNA fingerprinting

Post  Guest on Fri 8 Aug - 7:07

The Independent

Inventor of DNA fingerprint testing warns flaw could lead to miscarriages of justice

The scientist who invented DNA fingerprinting two decades ago warned yesterday that the huge expansion of the national database - which now contains details of 2.5 million criminals - could contain mistakes and lead to miscarriages of justice. (...) Professor Sir Alec Jeffreys said forensic specialists might not be using a sufficiently accurate DNA match when comparing suspects with forensic material retrieved from a crime scene. Only 10 different DNA markers were used on the database to distinguish between individuals, he said.

"If you have a database of 2.5 million people you will start having matches. The current DNA database uses 10 distinct markers and I think there is still a residual risk of a false match. They should use about 15 markers because otherwise it leaves open the possibility that the match from the crime scene sample is genuine but a fluke (...) Sir Alec was working in a laboratory at the University of Leicester on 10 September 1984 when he stumbled across the key to the future of genetic research and development. (...) The Home Office says the database is being used on average to link suspects to 15 murders, 31 rapes and 770 car crimes every month.

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The inventor of DNA fingerprinting has offered to act as an expert witness in the Madeleine McCann case

Sir Alec Jeffreys said DNA matches alone did not establish guilt and all Madeleine's genetic characters would be found in at least one family member. Gerry and Kate McCann, suspects in their daughter's disappearance, are considering commissioning independent tests on a Portuguese hire car (...) In an exclusive interview with the BBC's Newsnight programme, Sir Alec said there could be a potential problem in assigning a profile to Madeleine given that all other members of her family would have been in the car. "DNA testing seeks to establish whether DNA sample A from a crime scene, came or did not come from individual B," he said. "So if you get a match there's very strong evidence that it did come from B.

“It is then up to investigators, the courts and all the rest of it to work out whether that connection is relevant or not. DNA doesn't have the words innocence or guilt in it - that is a legal concept. What it seeks to establish is connections and identifications (...)"

Thank you, S.
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Post  Guest on Fri 8 Aug - 7:08

So in that case how can the FSS say it cant be a match if the guy who invented it says 15 is?

I dont understand
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Post  Guest on Fri 8 Aug - 7:10

Melanie wrote:So in that case how can the FSS say it cant be a match if the guy who invented it says 15 is?

I dont understand

There must be another connection here. I'm suspicious of everyone now whose name is linked to the macs.
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Post  Susan on Fri 8 Aug - 10:01

Jacqui67 wrote:The Independent

Inventor of DNA fingerprint testing warns flaw could lead to miscarriages of justice

The scientist who invented DNA fingerprinting two decades ago warned yesterday that the huge expansion of the national database - which now contains details of 2.5 million criminals - could contain mistakes and lead to miscarriages of justice. (...) Professor Sir Alec Jeffreys said forensic specialists might not be using a sufficiently accurate DNA match when comparing suspects with forensic material retrieved from a crime scene. Only 10 different DNA markers were used on the database to distinguish between individuals, he said.

"If you have a database of 2.5 million people you will start having matches. The current DNA database uses 10 distinct markers and I think there is still a residual risk of a false match. They should use about 15 markers because otherwise it leaves open the possibility that the match from the crime scene sample is genuine but a fluke (...) Sir Alec was working in a laboratory at the University of Leicester on 10 September 1984 when he stumbled across the key to the future of genetic research and development. (...) The Home Office says the database is being used on average to link suspects to 15 murders, 31 rapes and 770 car crimes every month.

BBC

The inventor of DNA fingerprinting has offered to act as an expert witness in the Madeleine McCann case

Sir Alec Jeffreys said DNA matches alone did not establish guilt and all Madeleine's genetic characters would be found in at least one family member. Gerry and Kate McCann, suspects in their daughter's disappearance, are considering commissioning independent tests on a Portuguese hire car (...) In an exclusive interview with the BBC's Newsnight programme, Sir Alec said there could be a potential problem in assigning a profile to Madeleine given that all other members of her family would have been in the car. "DNA testing seeks to establish whether DNA sample A from a crime scene, came or did not come from individual B," he said. "So if you get a match there's very strong evidence that it did come from B.

“It is then up to investigators, the courts and all the rest of it to work out whether that connection is relevant or not. DNA doesn't have the words innocence or guilt in it - that is a legal concept. What it seeks to establish is connections and identifications (...)"

Thank you, S.
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OMG I forgot all about this

Well at least he posted it on his page...thanks for reminding me Jacqui

Also he says thanks to S...it should real thanks to YNG who was the one who found this info!!!
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Re: Reply to email from Paulo Reis..................................

Post  Susan on Fri 8 Aug - 10:04

Jacqui67 wrote:
Melanie wrote:So in that case how can the FSS say it cant be a match if the guy who invented it says 15 is?

I dont understand

There must be another connection here. I'm suspicious of everyone now whose name is linked to the macs.

http://72.30.186.56/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Prof.+Sir+Alec+Jeffreys+mccann&y=Search&rd=r1&fr=ytff1-sunm&u=www.le.ac.uk/press/cuttings/articlesseptember2007.doc&w=prof+profs+sir+alec+jeffreys+mccann&d=FjE4rBg5RKOC&icp=1&.intl=uk

Sir Alec Jeffreys, geneticist from University of Leicester
Research fellow from University of Leicester, David Payne, is a friend of McCann’s.

BOTH at Leicester????
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Re: Reply to email from Paulo Reis..................................

Post  pm on Fri 8 Aug - 10:30

Ambersuz wrote:
Jacqui67 wrote:
Melanie wrote:So in that case how can the FSS say it cant be a match if the guy who invented it says 15 is?

I dont understand

There must be another connection here. I'm suspicious of everyone now whose name is linked to the macs.

http://72.30.186.56/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Prof.+Sir+Alec+Jeffreys+mccann&y=Search&rd=r1&fr=ytff1-sunm&u=www.le.ac.uk/press/cuttings/articlesseptember2007.doc&w=prof+profs+sir+alec+jeffreys+mccann&d=FjE4rBg5RKOC&icp=1&.intl=uk

Sir Alec Jeffreys, geneticist from University of Leicester
Research fellow from University of Leicester, David Payne, is a friend of McCann’s.

BOTH at Leicester????

FINALY SOMEONE READ THE SAME AS ME

COINCIDENCE??????????????!!!!!!!!!!

(sorry for the cap locks)
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Re: Reply to email from Paulo Reis..................................

Post  Susan on Fri 8 Aug - 10:36

I dont know how many towns there are in the UK but it must be a big co-incidence if they are both in the same place.....
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Post  pm on Fri 8 Aug - 10:38

Ambersuz wrote:I dont know how many towns there are in the UK but it must be a big co-incidence if they are both in the same place.....

and this case is full of coincidences isn´t it?
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Post  pm on Fri 8 Aug - 10:41

I sent it to Joana but she didn´t said nothing!
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Post  Guest on Fri 8 Aug - 10:43

Melanie wrote:So in that case how can the FSS say it cant be a match if the guy who invented it says 15 is?

I dont understand

I smell corruption.

The men in black should be called in 🇧🇧 🇧🇧
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Post  pm on Fri 8 Aug - 10:45

Standing Tall wrote:
Melanie wrote:So in that case how can the FSS say it cant be a match if the guy who invented it says 15 is?

I dont understand

I smell corruption.

The men in black should be called in 🇧🇧 🇧🇧

i feel the same smell in Portugal...coincidence probably!
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Re: Reply to email from Paulo Reis..................................

Post  Guest on Fri 8 Aug - 18:31

Ambersuz wrote:Dear Ambersuz / Susana,

I don't know how to thank you!!!!!!!!!! This is wonderfull, precious information, coming from a scientist with an indisputable reputation!!!

Thank you very much, for your help and your kindness! I will look at these links and write a post, as soon as I finish my diner (if you can call that to a sandwich and a glass of milk...)

Regards

Paulo Reis



We can now post this on our little forum tomorrow if its on his page in the morning :)

Thanks to YoullNeverGuess for finding this information

Excellent news ... well done for sending this Amber ... .. good bit of team work :o)
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Post  Guest on Fri 8 Aug - 21:40

Congratulations you two :Super: work between you both for getting this into print.

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Post  Guest on Fri 8 Aug - 22:01

Excellant work! Reading back over the postings of the last couple of days gives me hope. Go posters! Go find some more. I think you're getting closer and warmer to the truth of this sick bunch.
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Post  Guest on Fri 8 Aug - 22:07

Beyond reasonable doubt wrote:Excellant work! Reading back over the postings of the last couple of days gives me hope. Go posters! Go find some more. I think you're getting closer and warmer to the truth of this sick bunch.

This forum is just great. All the news the moment its out and finding it all here all on one page without having to shift through papers and papers online and finding absolute shite.

Long live this forum and others with the same goals.
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Post  Guest on Fri 8 Aug - 22:10

Here Here :Hugs: :Wave: :Super:
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