Transcript interview Pierce Morgan/Mccanns

Annabel

Thank your for putting up the transcript.

Probably been said before and worth repeating. They lip up several times but could just be nerves:

"MORGAN: This remains one of the highly contentious parts of this. Because you're both professional medical people. And you've got three very young children. And I know that you've expressed regret over this. And I'm not after more of that. It'd be completely pointless.

In terms of the normal practice, though, when you were with them, would you ever have left them alone in that situation if you'd been at home, for example, back in England?

G. MCCANN: Definitely not. I mean, the closest thing that you would do to that -- it didn't feel that different -- would be dining in your garden."

And:

MORGAN: You just don't know. I mean I'm a father of three children. I cannot imagine -- now I can remember my kids disappearing for a minute or two minutes and that awful panic that you feel as a parent when that happens.

To be here, years later, and have no idea where she is or what may have happened, it must be excruciating, isn't it?

G. MCCANN: It certainly was. And I think one of the reasons we've had so much public sympathy and empathy is I think every parent does know that feeling when your child is out of sight even for a few seconds and the panic it generates.

And obviously, for any family like yourselves whose child has been abducted, it's the most terrifying experience. But you do adapt. And the pain is not as raw. But, you know, we do still manage to get some enjoyment in our life and we've got two other beautiful children who are fantastic.

This suggests they don't include "themselves" they are talking about "other people"

Angelique wrote:

G. MCCANN: It certainly was. And I think one of the reasons we've had so much public sympathy and empathy is I think every parent does know that feeling when your child is out of sight even for a few seconds and the panic it generates.

Madeleine, Sean and Amelie were out of sight from the tapas bar night after night! You obviously didn't panic then, even though you knew your kids were in an unlocked apartment?

What weird parenting....

margaret wrote:

Angelique wrote:

G. MCCANN: It certainly was. And I think one of the reasons we've had so much public sympathy and empathy is I think every parent does know that feeling when your child is out of sight even for a few seconds and the panic it generates.

Madeleine, Sean and Amelie were out of sight from the tapas bar night after night! You obviously didn't panic then, even though you knew your kids were in an unlocked apartment?

What weird parenting....

You got there first Margaret, took the words right out of my mouth. So, is he saying his children were out of sight for half an hour and they panicked at the dinner table? I think not. But they panic when they return to the room because one of their children is still out of sight. The panic alarm should have sounded before they went to dinner. The saying goes, out of sight, out of mind - and I think these three children certainly were out of mind during dinner.

I see that Kate was back-filling as well:

K. MCCANN: Yes. I just basically and quickly whisked around the apartment, like 15 seconds. I don't know why. In my head, I was just thinking if someone's been in and she's cowering somewhere I guess is why I did it. And then it just flew out through the back, down the stairs to the restaurant.

And as soon as the table was in sight, I just started screaming, Madeleine is gone. And then they all jumped up and we heard a neighbor saying, she must be there, she must be there. But obviously I knew.

Now it's a neighbour who says " she must be there".

But Gerry still says

"G. MCCANN: The first thing that went straight through my head and I think -- it was just disbelief. I said, she can't be there, she can't be there. And I was running to the apartment with Kate. And I've checked. And she said, I've checked, I've checked, she's not there.

The one aspect for me is that when Madeleine said "Mummy, why didn"t you come when Sean and I were crying"they still went out that night and the next
without even checking more frequently. That really beggars belief, plus the fact that they have never admitted liability nor shown contrition and for Kate to say "we thought it was something and nothing and she soon forgot about it"......for God"s sake Kate, this was your 4 yr old child and you and Gerry never
thought that maybe one of you should be in the Apartment all that evening and take it in turn to go fo Dinner.?

Panda wrote:The one aspect for me is that when Madeleine said "Mummy, why didn"t you come when Sean and I were crying"they still went out that night and the next
without even checking more frequently. That really beggars belief, plus the fact that they have never admitted liability nor shown contrition and for Kate to say "we thought it was something and nothing and she soon forgot about it"......for God"s sake Kate, this was your 4 yr old child and you and Gerry never
thought that maybe one of you should be in the Apartment all that evening and take it in turn to go fo Dinner.?

Good morning Panda, the McCanns gave several media interviews, round about the time of the 4th anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance. They spoke about the incident when Madeleine supposedly told them that she and Sean cried the evening before she disappeared. Kate said they couldn't think what she meant. "Was she talking about when they were in the bath?" Or was she talking about the evening before, when Sean and Amalie woke up and cried?"

Regarding the incident in the bath. Why would Madeleine say she and Sean woke up and cried for them, if Madeleine was talking about when they were in the bath?

Regarding the incident when Sean and Amalie had woken up and cried, the evening before Sean and Madeleine had supposedly cried. The McCanns were asked about the reports of the children crying, while they were out and they had always denied them. They always said their children were asleep by 7:30pm and never woke up, once they were asleep. On the 1st anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, the McCanns gave a television interview and told the interviewer what Madeleine supposedly told them, on the morning of the evening she vanished. They said was it when she was in the bath? They never mentioned anything about Sean and Amalie waking up the evening before Madeleine and Sean supposedly woke up.

If this was true, this means that the McCanns have gone out at least twice, with the full knowledge that their children had woken up and cried for them. The McCanns had supposedly been brought back from the Tapas Bar and a beach barbeque, to see to their crying children, by the Warner staff, because they had received reports of their children crying. As I said previously, the McCanns said those reports were untrue, yet here we have two incidents where the McCanns have said their children cried while they were out and they went out with the full knowledge that their children were crying while they were out.

How strange that Madeleine, should vanish without trace, the same day that she told them what happened the previous evening. I believe the blood that was found in the McCanns apartment, was Madeleine's blood. I believe Madeleine was given a hiding by one or both of her parents, because she had probably quite rightly, kicked up a fuss, when she knew her mother and dad were going out again and leaving them alone and they went too far and drew blood.

Gerry McCann supposedly sent David Payne round to their apartment to check on Kate. Why Gerry was worried about Kate? Why did he send David Payne to check up on Kate, why didn't Gerry go himself? I don't believe Gerry sent David Payne round to check on Kate, I believe David Payne was invited to go to the McCanns apartment to, give Madeleine a sedative. David Payne and Kate both gave statements to the police regarding his time at the apartment. Kate said Payne only stayed for a couple of minutes, Payne said he stayed much longer.

I believe Madeleine was overdosed by that sedative and she died. I believe the twins were taken out of the apartment to the apartment of one of their friends, while Madeleine's body was removed and incinerated. The police suspected Madeleine had been incinerated, because the visited a man who owned an incinerator, that he used to dispose of animals. That incinerator had not been used for some time, so the police had to rule him out.

Madeleine had to be disposed of in a way she would never be found. Burying her was no good and neither was throwing her body into the sea, because even if she had been eaten by a shark, her bones would have been washed up on the beach. Let's be honest, the McCanns never searched for her, so they must have known she was never going to be found.

Regarding the twins being taken out of the apartment, I was listening to Gerry McCann speaking outside the Lisbon court, when he and his wife were in the process of trying to get Goncalo Amaral's book permanently banned. He said he and his wife regretted leaving Madeleine alone in their apartment, on the night she disappeared. There are photographs in the files that were taken by the police or forensics, of the McCanns apartment as it was on the night Madeleine disappeared. Madeleine's bed had bedclothes on it and so did the spare bed, that her mother said she slept on the previous evening, when she had a row with Gerry. There was no bedding at all in the twins cots, which made me think that the twins were not in the apartment that evening.

Sandra Fegueiras interviewed the McCanns and she asked Kate if the twins were in the apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared, Kate didn't answer, she changed the subject. Sandra asked her again and again, but she still didn't say yes or no, she just changed the subject each time she was asked. Sandra was stood outside the Lisbon Court when Gerry said Madeleine was alone in the apartment, on the night Madeleine disappeared. What a pity she didn't ask Gerry then, where the twins were.

Regarding my beliefs on what happened to Madeleine, I could be 100% wrong and I sincerely hope I am, I would love to think Madeleine was living with a couple who are looking after her in the way she should be looked after.

Panda wrote:.................. and Gerry never thought that maybe one of you should be in the Apartment all that evening and take it in turn to go fo Dinner.?

Oh come now, Panda, don't forget "it was our holiday too"

@kathybelle: There's much common ground between us in our hypotheses, but I don't think Madeleine was struck - I think she may have climbed on the sofa back to gain a vantage point from which to try and see G&M and/or to try to attract their attention and fell, causing injuries which later proved to be fatal, possibly even after intervention by one of the "crew".

What a shame we can't "cheat" and be given some factual hints by Healy, McCann or A.N.Other.

Morning Kathybelle,

There are photographs in the files that were taken by the police or
forensics, of the McCanns apartment as it was on the night Madeleine
disappeared."

The twins were moved temporarily to the Payne"s Apartment in the early hours of the morning and I presume the Police then moved in to take their
photos and lift prints which proved nothing because so many people had entered the Apartment before the Forensics team arrived.

The police had sealed the incinerator some time before Madeleine disappeared and later confirmed the seal was unbroken.

A lady I met living in Faro said the Portugese believed Madeleine was thrown into the Sea from nearby cliffs with her body weighted down , a possibility
as is the rumour of a Yacht leaving the Harbour 2 hrs after Madeleine disappeared . I believe Madeleine died in 5a, maybe climbed on top of the settee
as suggested and fell over onto the Tiles fatally injured. This would of course make nonsense of Gerry"s 9pm check where he says he looked down at
his daughter and marvelled at his luck. Bear this in mind when Kate says an hour later that she opened the door a bit wider to let some light into the
bedroom!!!!

The End Is Nigh wrote:

Panda wrote:.................. and Gerry never thought that maybe one of you should be in the Apartment all that evening and take it in turn to go fo Dinner.?

Oh come now, Panda, don't forget "it was our holiday too"

Oh, silly me.......of course Gerry you should put yourself first your offspring would be quite capable of looking after themselves in an emergency.

Panda wrote:Morning Kathybelle,

There are photographs in the files that were taken by the police or
forensics, of the McCanns apartment as it was on the night Madeleine
disappeared."

The twins were moved temporarily to the Payne"s Apartment in the early hours of the morning and I presume the Police then moved in to take their
photos and lift prints which proved nothing because so many people had entered the Apartment before the Forensics team arrived.

The police had sealed the incinerator some time before Madeleine disappeared and later confirmed the seal was unbroken.

A lady I met living in Faro said the Portugese believed Madeleine was thrown into the Sea from nearby cliffs with her body weighted down , a possibility
as is the rumour of a Yacht leaving the Harbour 2 hrs after Madeleine disappeared . I believe Madeleine died in 5a, maybe climbed on top of the settee
as suggested and fell over onto the Tiles fatally injured. This would of course make nonsense of Gerry"s 9pm check where he says he looked down at
his daughter and marvelled at his luck. Bear this in mind when Kate says an hour later that she opened the door a bit wider to let some light into the
bedroom!!!!

Hi Panda, regarding the twins being in the apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared. If they were in the apartment, why did Gerry say Madeleine was alone in the apartment when she disappeared? Why did Kate not answer Sandra Felgeiras, when Sandra asked her if the twins were in the apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared? Why did Kate not say yes they were in the apartment, if that was the case? Why did she keep changing the subject? She answered all Sandra's other questions.

Also in one media interview, Gerry only mentioned Madeleine when he made his check, he said he looked at her and thought how beautiful she was and how lucky he was to be her father. Why not say how lucky he was to be the father of 3 beautiful children?

I know the twins were in the apartment when the police arrived, because Kate said they never woke up when the screaming and shouting was going on, but they could have been brought back, before the police were called.

Hi KathyBelle,

The problem we have is all this speculation and the McCanns deliberate obfuscation......crikey, did I use that word???

Whether the truth will ever be revealed is debatable , as I say, if Amaral wins in February the McCanns will be crushed.

Panda wrote:Hi KathyBelle,

The problem we have is all this speculation and the McCanns deliberate obfuscation......crikey, did I use that word???

Whether the truth will ever be revealed is debatable , as I say, if Amaral wins in February the McCanns will be crushed.

Panda, I will be gutted if Goncalo Amaral doesn't win in February, but I don't think he will take it lying down. He didn't accept the permanent ban on his book, he appealed and won his appeal. The McCanns appealed to the Supreme Court and they lost their appeal, which gives me hope that at last, justice is on Dr Amaral's side.

I honestly can't see how the McCanns can win their libel case, because Goncalo Amaral isn't the only person to say Madeleine died in the McCanns apartment. Goncalo's successor, came to the same conclusion. The McCanns haven't taken a lawsuit out against Goncalo's successor.

As for the McCanns saying he wrote lies in his book, there is nothing in "The Truth of the Lie" that isn't in the files. Plus whatever is written in the "Truth of the Lie" was written in another book, by another author, before Goncalo's book was released for publication. The McCanns have never tried to sue that author.

I think the McCanns are out to get Goncalo, because he saw through their web of lies. They made a malicious allegation against him, which was thrown out. I wouldn't be surprised if they were behind the killing of Goncalo's dog and I wouldn't be surprised if they paid someone to harm Goncalo. Out of the fund of course, they don't do spending their own money.

Hi kathybelle,

I wouldn't be surprised if they were behind the killing of Goncalo's
dog and I wouldn't be surprised if they paid someone to harm Goncalo.
Out of the fund of course, they don't do spending their own money. "

That"s a bit OTT

Panda wrote:Hi kathybelle,

I wouldn't be surprised if they were behind the killing of Goncalo's
dog and I wouldn't be surprised if they paid someone to harm Goncalo.
Out of the fund of course, they don't do spending their own money. "

That"s a bit OTT

Hi Panda, I'm not saying the McCanns killed Goncalo's dog, I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if they were behind the killing. Regarding my comments about Goncalo's safety, I sincerely believe that the McCanns are devious enough to arrange for someone to harm Goncalo. It's as if they have a hate campaign against him.

kathybelle wrote:

Panda wrote:Hi kathybelle,

I wouldn't be surprised if they were behind the killing of Goncalo's
dog and I wouldn't be surprised if they paid someone to harm Goncalo.
Out of the fund of course, they don't do spending their own money. "

That"s a bit OTT

Hi Panda, I'm not saying the McCanns killed Goncalo's dog, I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if they were behind the killing. Regarding my comments about Goncalo's safety, I sincerely believe that the McCanns are devious enough to arrange for someone to harm Goncalo. It's as if they have a hate campaign against him.

The McCanns have reason to fear Amaral, he is the only person who knows more about them than anyone with regard to Madeleine"s disappearance.
They did not expect him to go to the Apellate Court and get the injunction overturned and while they have insulted him openly, he has retained
a dignified silence. I just hope he pulls a rabbit out of the Hat and is allowed to say what he knows which will scuttle the McCanns reputation around the World.

The End Is Nigh wrote:

Hi TEIN, Amaral did say a while ago that he knew more than he was allowed to say, if it can prove that Madeleine died in 5a I see no reason why he will not be allowed to use the info in his defence. To be honest, I"m not sure how an Apellate Court operates maybe one of our Portugese Members can enlighten
us. Thanks for the compliment BTW.

I believe Dr Amaral will gain considerable damages from the McScams next year. TM knew they would lose the upcoming defamation case (imo) the minute the three wise judges ruled in Amaral's favour and ordered them to hand back his books; hence they fast forwarded Kate's bewk, generating several interviews and stashed away extra cash for the inevitable. However I fully expect the pink pimping pimp to go into overdrive in 2012 and insure that the story which hits the UK airwaves is.... 'Kate and Gerry endure additional suffering as the Maddie search fund is emptied out by boozy ex Portuguese cop' ...or words to that effect.

kathybelle wrote:

Panda wrote:Morning Kathybelle,

There are photographs in the files that were taken by the police or
forensics, of the McCanns apartment as it was on the night Madeleine
disappeared."

The twins were moved temporarily to the Payne"s Apartment in the early hours of the morning and I presume the Police then moved in to take their
photos and lift prints which proved nothing because so many people had entered the Apartment before the Forensics team arrived.

The police had sealed the incinerator some time before Madeleine disappeared and later confirmed the seal was unbroken.

A lady I met living in Faro said the Portugese believed Madeleine was thrown into the Sea from nearby cliffs with her body weighted down , a possibility
as is the rumour of a Yacht leaving the Harbour 2 hrs after Madeleine disappeared . I believe Madeleine died in 5a, maybe climbed on top of the settee
as suggested and fell over onto the Tiles fatally injured. This would of course make nonsense of Gerry"s 9pm check where he says he looked down at
his daughter and marvelled at his luck. Bear this in mind when Kate says an hour later that she opened the door a bit wider to let some light into the
bedroom!!!!

Hi Panda, regarding the twins being in the apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared. If they were in the apartment, why did Gerry say Madeleine was alone in the apartment when she disappeared? Why did Kate not answer Sandra Felgeiras, when Sandra asked her if the twins were in the apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared? Why did Kate not say yes they were in the apartment, if that was the case? Why did she keep changing the subject? She answered all Sandra's other questions.

Also in one media interview, Gerry only mentioned Madeleine when he made his check, he said he looked at her and thought how beautiful she was and how lucky he was to be her father. Why not say how lucky he was to be the father of 3 beautiful children?

I know the twins were in the apartment when the police arrived, because Kate said they never woke up when the screaming and shouting was going on, but they could have been brought back, before the police were called.

I too believe that they didn't sedate her as much as they thought, she then awoke and died falling off the back of the sofa whilst groggy.
I'm sure now from reading this thread that she did not die the night she 'disappeared' but previously, this could be why the twins were not sleeping in the apartment the night she 'disappeared?'.

I'm also guessing that Payne played peacemaker between gerry and kate and I reckon that a man as devious as he was instrumental in the concoction of the story.