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The Meeting of the 27 EU Finance Ministers meeting tomorrow has been cancelled. This was supposed to be the Meeting when all the decisions regarding Greece,the Banks, EFSF etc was to be approved and announced. The Summit will go ahead though. The Euro has gone down, as have European Shares, . Someone called this Death by a thousand cuts.
for me, it just highlights the difficulties of dealing with 17 Countries with different languages who have joined the EURO and 27 Countries
in all who have a vote.
No reason has yet been given for the Finance Ministers to cancel.
for me, it just highlights the difficulties of dealing with 17 Countries with different languages who have joined the EURO and 27 Countries
in all who have a vote.
No reason has yet been given for the Finance Ministers to cancel.
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SOMEONE WAS SAYING IN THE GUARDIAN THAT WHOLE EUROZONE IS IN A CRISIS,COULD IT COLLAPSE?
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Apparently the Finance Ministers could not agree so passed the problem to the EU Leaders. Now the agenda is for all 27 Countries to meet
tomorrow then later in the day all 17 Countries whose currency is the Euro will meet.
There is scepticism on Wall street that anything will be agreed and the rest of the World Markets are losing patience with the Leaders and
the Euro has gone down again in value, good for German Exports , but bad for the cost of living in these Countries and Tourism.
tomorrow then later in the day all 17 Countries whose currency is the Euro will meet.
There is scepticism on Wall street that anything will be agreed and the rest of the World Markets are losing patience with the Leaders and
the Euro has gone down again in value, good for German Exports , but bad for the cost of living in these Countries and Tourism.
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Badboy wrote:SOMEONE WAS SAYING IN THE GUARDIAN THAT WHOLE EUROZONE IS IN A CRISIS,COULD IT COLLAPSE?
Hi Badboy, it is obvious now that there is a huge problem with most European Banks because they all have Greek debt and no-one can agree
on how to resolve the problems . Add to this that unlike the U.K and the U.S.A. which have a common language and currency also the Bank
of England and the Fed make decisions, unlike the ECB which has limited authority.
If they dont come up with something definite tomorrow, any Country which holds the Euro as a cureency could sell and buy Yen which is
favourite at the moment and the EU situation would be worse.
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Italy has been pressured by the EU to do something about about it"s debt, Spain slipping on deficit and will be selling assets which suggests
there will be contagion and a recession more likely.
Once the EFSF is up and running, the ECB will not sell Bonds and the EU plan leaves Italy and Spain at risk.
UBS and Deutsche Bank will be shedding Staff, as will most Banks around the World.
there will be contagion and a recession more likely.
Once the EFSF is up and running, the ECB will not sell Bonds and the EU plan leaves Italy and Spain at risk.
UBS and Deutsche Bank will be shedding Staff, as will most Banks around the World.
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EU Heads Meet Again As Debt Woes Worsen
2:01am UK, Wednesday October 26, 2011
Robert Nisbet, Europe eorrespondent
European leaders meet in Brussels again today as nations continue
grapple with the sovereign debt crisis threatening to engulf the
eurozone.
The German and French leaders have struggled to achieve EU unity
This year alone, EU heads of government have met 20 times as countries like Greece, Italy and Spain struggle with huge debt and low growth.
The leaders of the richest countries in the 17-member eurozone,
France and Germany are still arguing over how best to calm jittery
markets and ensure the contagion does not spread to the banking sector.
Banks hold billions in government bonds, and there are concerns that a
default by a country such as Greece could trigger a financial crisis
similar to that which followed the Lehman Brothers collapse in September 2008.
Greek debt was the catalyst for wider eurozone problems
The European Council summit will focus on three main pillars:
reducing the amount Greece owes to banks and investors, beefing up the
bailout fund and pumping more cash into the banks to give them a cushion
of capital.
But France and Germany disagree over how the bailout fund, called the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) should be given more firepower.
Disagreements led to the cancellation of a meeting of European finance ministers expected today.
Paris wanted to leverage the 440bn euro in the fund by harnessing it to the firepower of the European Central Bank (ECB), but Germany wants the Frankfurt-based ECB to remain independent.
Wall Street Journal's Stephen Fiddler
It is likely the leaders will explore way of allowing the EFSF to
insure bondholders from some losses, while creating a "fund within a
fund" to allow foreign investors to dabble in the so-called secondary
bond markets.
As for Greek debts, banks and investors could be asked to swallow
write-downs of up to 60%, much larger than the 21% deemed sufficient in
July.
"The banks are saying: 'That's too much. If you do this it is going
to be a formal default and the contagion effects will be felt around the
eurozone,'" the Wall Street Journal's Stephen Fiddler said.
But the banks may have little choice, nor will they able to resist
demands to raise more capital to increase security in the system; a
total of 108bn euro is being mooted.
Italy's Silvio Berlusconi is under immense pressure from the markets
German Chancellor Angela Merkel will be testing her plans for the EFSF at the Bundestag before the full summit, which could give her more sway in negotiations.
Mrs Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy have also demanded that Silvio Berlusconi present firm plans to promote growth and reduce Italy's massive
debt in time for Wednesday's meeting.
But it appears the broad structure of the rescue package is in place,
as separate meetings of foreign ministers from the eurozone countries
and from the entire union have been delayed until after the summit.
That could mean more flesh will be put on the bones on any subsequent
statement later in the week, perhaps staggering the effects on the
markets.
2:01am UK, Wednesday October 26, 2011
Robert Nisbet, Europe eorrespondent
European leaders meet in Brussels again today as nations continue
grapple with the sovereign debt crisis threatening to engulf the
eurozone.
The German and French leaders have struggled to achieve EU unity
This year alone, EU heads of government have met 20 times as countries like Greece, Italy and Spain struggle with huge debt and low growth.
The leaders of the richest countries in the 17-member eurozone,
France and Germany are still arguing over how best to calm jittery
markets and ensure the contagion does not spread to the banking sector.
Banks hold billions in government bonds, and there are concerns that a
default by a country such as Greece could trigger a financial crisis
similar to that which followed the Lehman Brothers collapse in September 2008.
Greek debt was the catalyst for wider eurozone problems
The European Council summit will focus on three main pillars:
reducing the amount Greece owes to banks and investors, beefing up the
bailout fund and pumping more cash into the banks to give them a cushion
of capital.
But France and Germany disagree over how the bailout fund, called the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) should be given more firepower.
Disagreements led to the cancellation of a meeting of European finance ministers expected today.
Paris wanted to leverage the 440bn euro in the fund by harnessing it to the firepower of the European Central Bank (ECB), but Germany wants the Frankfurt-based ECB to remain independent.
The banks are saying: 'If you do this it is going to be a formal
default and the contagion effects will be felt around the eurozone.
Wall Street Journal's Stephen Fiddler
It is likely the leaders will explore way of allowing the EFSF to
insure bondholders from some losses, while creating a "fund within a
fund" to allow foreign investors to dabble in the so-called secondary
bond markets.
As for Greek debts, banks and investors could be asked to swallow
write-downs of up to 60%, much larger than the 21% deemed sufficient in
July.
"The banks are saying: 'That's too much. If you do this it is going
to be a formal default and the contagion effects will be felt around the
eurozone,'" the Wall Street Journal's Stephen Fiddler said.
But the banks may have little choice, nor will they able to resist
demands to raise more capital to increase security in the system; a
total of 108bn euro is being mooted.
Italy's Silvio Berlusconi is under immense pressure from the markets
German Chancellor Angela Merkel will be testing her plans for the EFSF at the Bundestag before the full summit, which could give her more sway in negotiations.
Mrs Merkel and French President Nicolas Sarkozy have also demanded that Silvio Berlusconi present firm plans to promote growth and reduce Italy's massive
debt in time for Wednesday's meeting.
But it appears the broad structure of the rescue package is in place,
as separate meetings of foreign ministers from the eurozone countries
and from the entire union have been delayed until after the summit.
That could mean more flesh will be put on the bones on any subsequent
statement later in the week, perhaps staggering the effects on the
markets.
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Berlesconi is under enormous pressure to do something about reducing his Country"s debt which is expected to benefit from the deal being
thrashed out by the EU.
"Europes self styled saviours could be its greatest enemies."
Spanish bank BBVA has bad loans eating into it"s profit , already downgraded by Moody"s the main reason for the debt is the number of
houses and apartment that remain unfinished and those still unsold.
Euro rises against U.S. $ weakness.
This is the 14th EU crisis meeting in 21 months and Investors are gearing up for this crucial meeting today.
thrashed out by the EU.
"Europes self styled saviours could be its greatest enemies."
Spanish bank BBVA has bad loans eating into it"s profit , already downgraded by Moody"s the main reason for the debt is the number of
houses and apartment that remain unfinished and those still unsold.
Euro rises against U.S. $ weakness.
This is the 14th EU crisis meeting in 21 months and Investors are gearing up for this crucial meeting today.
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- David Gow
- guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 25 October 2011 20.18 BST
- Article history
Germany
The eurozone's biggest player and payer wants a deal that does not involve increasing its €211bn (£185bn) contribution to the European Financial Stability Facility's €780bn guarantees, does impose writedowns of at least 50% on private creditors to Greece and does not give an over-preponderant role to the ECB's limitless funds for fear of stoking up inflation and reducing politicians' primacy. Berlin seeks an outline agreement on the need for limited treaty change to allow EU authorities to discipline profligate eurozone members.
Ultimately, it wants a eurozone finance ministry within a fiscal union – and a federal state.
France
Paris, overshadowed by Germany, has dropped its demand that the EFSF be turned into a bank but is still banging the drum for a greatly expanded role for the ECB – anathema to Berlin as Angela Merkel reiterated on Tuesday.
Nicolas Sarkozy also wants to limit the haircuts for holders of Greek debt because of the wider implications for French banks which are heavily exposed to Italy and Spain (€53bn to southern Europe). With France's sovereign AAA rating already under threat and presidential elections pending in April or May 2012, Sarkozy wants to protect the ratings of the three main banks under the recapitalisation and haircut provisions.
Above all, he wants to reaffirm France's role as equal to Germany against a widespread sense it is now playing in the second division.
Italy
Assuming he still has a government and retains power, Berlusconi, above all, wants Germany and France to stop humiliating both him and his country.
Rome has to come up with a convincing package of reforms, including measures to cut Italy's €1.9tn debt and reboot its stagnant economy, so as to regain the confidence of its partners. Given the precariousness of its credit rating, Italy needs the backstop of the ECB continuing to buy its bonds in order to prevent Greek-style default spreading.
An enhanced EFSF is crucial in this regard, with French reports suggesting it could be used to buy up Italian debt.
Netherlands
The Hague, very close to Berlin, wants the summit to come out with radical plans to change eurozone economic governance – at least in outline. It wants stricter rules to impose budgetary discipline, sound public finances and structural reforms.
A paper sent to fellow summiteers said: "The Dutch government wants member states to fulfil their agreements and suffer the consequences if they fail to do so." It sees a central supervisory and sanctions role for a European commissioner specially appointed to put persistent transgressors "under administration".
Finland
Helsinki, the capital of "little Germany", above all wants the 17 leaders to agree on something to prevent markets taking fright and a new, deep recession ensuing.
It is said it could make significant concessions even though it echoes Berlin in demanding strict budgetary discipline and stiff haircuts for bondholders. It has already won a complex collateral deal to limit Finland's exposure to Greek debt and approving bailout payments to Athens.
UK
As the biggest non-member, Britain wants guarantees that the eurozone leaders do not adopt measures or procedures that would impose decisions on London without consultation – or re-regulate the single market, especially financial services. It wants the summits to endorse neoliberal paths to growth and austerity regimes.
Above all, it wants tangible evidence of the "comprehensive" plan to solve the sovereign debt crisis – fearing otherwise renewed recession, or a even slump, that would drag Britain and rest down with it.
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Another meeting of the EU is to take place in 4 days, so nothing discussed today will be set in concrete.
It is possible IMF will get involved, much against Merkel"s wishes. Geithner says EU must deliver on the committment it has made.
Italy is selling 10 year Euro Bonds today , last batch sold for 5.69%, if the interest rate rises to 6% it is considered critical. Berlesconi has
brought forward the election date to January 2012 because there is so much dissent among the Italian Parliament.
Commentators suggest Italy, Spain and Greece will be ringfenced, but it will be difficult to get private investors when the existing Greek Bond
holders are facing a possible 60% write-off.
It is possible IMF will get involved, much against Merkel"s wishes. Geithner says EU must deliver on the committment it has made.
Italy is selling 10 year Euro Bonds today , last batch sold for 5.69%, if the interest rate rises to 6% it is considered critical. Berlesconi has
brought forward the election date to January 2012 because there is so much dissent among the Italian Parliament.
Commentators suggest Italy, Spain and Greece will be ringfenced, but it will be difficult to get private investors when the existing Greek Bond
holders are facing a possible 60% write-off.
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Something very strange going on at the ECB, I understood that it could issue bonds but not lend money. Apparently it comes under the special measures" which means the Treaty can be altered as it suits.
It has lent E56.9 Billion to 181 Euro Area Banks for 12 months.
The agenda for the meeting today is;-
1. agree the Greek Bond write down.
2. Recapitalisation of Banks
3. Financing of EFSF to be agreed.
It has lent E56.9 Billion to 181 Euro Area Banks for 12 months.
The agenda for the meeting today is;-
1. agree the Greek Bond write down.
2. Recapitalisation of Banks
3. Financing of EFSF to be agreed.
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Deadlock on Greek Bonds write down, apparently more to do with Insurance for future Bond issue by Greece than the percentage write off.
Merkel says the pain now will turn to a better EU in future. One area she has agreed to is the IMF expertise and will maybe ask for their help.
Berlesconi is between a rock and a hard place, he has said he will step down next January but it is the President of Italy who has the authority to call a General Election. Since he is unable to get co-operation from the other Political Parties, he is submitting a Letter of intent to the EU.
The Bonds Italy sold today at E5.93% interest is slightly better than their last Bond sale.
Daniel Gros from the Centre of European Studies says he thinks Angela Merkel is not now averse to the ECB buying bonds which would require a change in it"s Mandate .He thinks the Insurance of new bond issues to Greece would be 20%, not 100% as expected. Delegates from the EU
are visiting other Countries to try to get them to invest in Banks........now that they have accepted loans from the ECB these banks are liable
to be downgraded by the rating Agencies.
The major French Banks continue to lose share value.
Morgan Stanley are long term bearish on the Euro and Eurozone.
Merkel says the pain now will turn to a better EU in future. One area she has agreed to is the IMF expertise and will maybe ask for their help.
Berlesconi is between a rock and a hard place, he has said he will step down next January but it is the President of Italy who has the authority to call a General Election. Since he is unable to get co-operation from the other Political Parties, he is submitting a Letter of intent to the EU.
The Bonds Italy sold today at E5.93% interest is slightly better than their last Bond sale.
Daniel Gros from the Centre of European Studies says he thinks Angela Merkel is not now averse to the ECB buying bonds which would require a change in it"s Mandate .He thinks the Insurance of new bond issues to Greece would be 20%, not 100% as expected. Delegates from the EU
are visiting other Countries to try to get them to invest in Banks........now that they have accepted loans from the ECB these banks are liable
to be downgraded by the rating Agencies.
The major French Banks continue to lose share value.
Morgan Stanley are long term bearish on the Euro and Eurozone.
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Italy is the biggest problem, the EFSF can cope with the smaller Countries but unless the Italians come up with an austerity plan that they
can implement the situation will get worse.
Papandraou says Greece is making a superhuman effort to reduce it"s debt and the EU should appreciate this.
Julian Callow, Head of Barclays Capital Management says the concept of the EU without a fiscal union is flawed, the problems are not nsurmountable but Italy is the biggest Country, too big to fail, but unless it"s Government stops squabbling and gets on with trying to reduce
it"s debt it will take a long time to balance it"s books.
Financial Markets around the World will look more closely at EU Debt before they invest
can implement the situation will get worse.
Papandraou says Greece is making a superhuman effort to reduce it"s debt and the EU should appreciate this.
Julian Callow, Head of Barclays Capital Management says the concept of the EU without a fiscal union is flawed, the problems are not nsurmountable but Italy is the biggest Country, too big to fail, but unless it"s Government stops squabbling and gets on with trying to reduce
it"s debt it will take a long time to balance it"s books.
Financial Markets around the World will look more closely at EU Debt before they invest
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Latest News from Brussels, the recapitalisation of the EU Banks will not take place until next June.
There was a fight in the Italian Parliament overr a new austerity measure to raise the Pension age to 67, apparently one of the Ministers"
wife retired at 37.!!!!!!!
The EFSF fund is increased to E1 Trillion, it was expected that E2 Trillion would be the least needed.
None of the EU Members were allowed to attend the Euro Members Meeting, David Cameron said he should know what was being discussed
in case it affected Britain.
There was a fight in the Italian Parliament overr a new austerity measure to raise the Pension age to 67, apparently one of the Ministers"
wife retired at 37.!!!!!!!
The EFSF fund is increased to E1 Trillion, it was expected that E2 Trillion would be the least needed.
None of the EU Members were allowed to attend the Euro Members Meeting, David Cameron said he should know what was being discussed
in case it affected Britain.
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How much?” is important but “who pays?” is the question you must ask
yourself again and again when a plan to deal with the debt crisis in the
Eurozone is finally announced. If the answer isn’t obvious then there
may be trouble ahead.Stock markets have rallied in recent weeks,
there’s a sense of expectation. The people, the companies, the pension
funds who lend trillions of pounds to governments need reassuring. They
want a solution that over-whelms - if the “bazooka” that’s unveiled in
Brussels doesn’t appear to be loaded… well, let’s not contemplate that.
Investors
want details. They want numbers but they will also want to know where
the money is coming from. Vague reassurances won’t do.
Here’s my “credibility” check-list test
1) Write-off Greek debt.
Greece
is, technically, bust. The country is being keep afloat by EU and IMF
funding. Its national debt is huge and growing because the country is
still deep in recession. Around 60% of Greece’s debt probably needs to
be written off (that’s around 200 billion Euros). But the key thing is
not the headline number it’s that the banks who have lent Greece money
“volunteer” to take the hit.
Here’s where the UK should be
worried. Our banks were wise enough not to lend much money directly to
Greece but foolish enough to insure against default the loans other
banks made to Greece. If French and German banks, faced with heavy
losses in Greece, decide to cash in those “credit default swaps” then
our banks will start hurting.
2) Reinforce Banks.
The
Eurozone leaders have already agreed that Europe’s banks should be
forced to raise 108 billion Euros of extra money to help them absorb
losses from Greece and potentially other countries too.
Again the
key thing here is not the headline number (which incidentally is around
half the 200 billion Euros the IMF said was needed) but where the money
comes from. Greek, Spanish, Italian even some French banks will struggle
to raise the money from investors, many won’t be able to go their
governments (who don’t have the money to spare) so it’s likely the EFSF
will be used; which brings us to point 3, the most important.
3) Enlarge the bailout fund.
If
the European Financial Stability Facility is to be truly effective then
it needs to be big enough to cope with every conceivable eventuality.
The EFSF currently has a lending capacity of 440 billion Euros. Strip
out the money that’s already been committed to helping Greek, Ireland
and Portugal and there’s 250 billion left. Factor in the
recapitalisation of the European banking system (around 108 billion) and
additional funding for other countries who suddenly find they can’t
borrow from the financial markets (Spain and Italy both possible –
Italy’s national debt is 1900 billion Euros) and you can see it needs to
be substantially bigger.
Once again the key thing here is not
necessarily the number (which clearly needs to be unimaginably big) but –
yes, you’ve guessed it - where the money comes from. Germany is in the
best position to stump up the readies but is, understandably, cautious
about how it uses its tax-payers money. The head of the EFSF is off to
Beijing on Friday – might Chinese money be used to rescue the Euro?
Given
Germany’s reluctance to bankroll the Eurozone, the solution is likely
to involve some fiendish form of financial wizardly to “leverage” the
existing fund and maximise bang for Euro. The danger here is that if the
solution ends up sounding a little too clever, a little too complex it
may fail to convince.
4) Factor in recession.
A deal
will only truly be credible if it takes into account the fact that the
Eurozone is perilously close to recession. There is a strong chance that
Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy and others are not going to get
the economic growth they need to balance budgets, repay debt and
persuade investors to lend them money.
The bailout fund needs to
be big enough and resilient enough to deal with a worst case scenario.
To that end, some economists, like the FT’s Martin Wolf, believe the
only way to ultimately reassure the market and solve the crisis is if
the European Central Bank steps forward with the promise to print as
much money as is necessary to support governments in distress.
How much?” is important but “who pays?” is the question you must ask
yourself again and again when a plan to deal with the debt crisis in the
Eurozone is finally announced. If the answer isn’t obvious then there
may be trouble ahead.Stock markets have rallied in recent weeks,
there’s a sense of expectation. The people, the companies, the pension
funds who lend trillions of pounds to governments need reassuring. They
want a solution that over-whelms - if the “bazooka” that’s unveiled in
Brussels doesn’t appear to be loaded… well, let’s not contemplate that.
Investors
want details. They want numbers but they will also want to know where
the money is coming from. Vague reassurances won’t do.
Here’s my “credibility” check-list test
1) Write-off Greek debt.
Greece
is, technically, bust. The country is being keep afloat by EU and IMF
funding. Its national debt is huge and growing because the country is
still deep in recession. Around 60% of Greece’s debt probably needs to
be written off (that’s around 200 billion Euros). But the key thing is
not the headline number it’s that the banks who have lent Greece money
“volunteer” to take the hit.
Here’s where the UK should be
worried. Our banks were wise enough not to lend much money directly to
Greece but foolish enough to insure against default the loans other
banks made to Greece. If French and German banks, faced with heavy
losses in Greece, decide to cash in those “credit default swaps” then
our banks will start hurting.
2) Reinforce Banks.
The
Eurozone leaders have already agreed that Europe’s banks should be
forced to raise 108 billion Euros of extra money to help them absorb
losses from Greece and potentially other countries too.
Again the
key thing here is not the headline number (which incidentally is around
half the 200 billion Euros the IMF said was needed) but where the money
comes from. Greek, Spanish, Italian even some French banks will struggle
to raise the money from investors, many won’t be able to go their
governments (who don’t have the money to spare) so it’s likely the EFSF
will be used; which brings us to point 3, the most important.
3) Enlarge the bailout fund.
If
the European Financial Stability Facility is to be truly effective then
it needs to be big enough to cope with every conceivable eventuality.
The EFSF currently has a lending capacity of 440 billion Euros. Strip
out the money that’s already been committed to helping Greek, Ireland
and Portugal and there’s 250 billion left. Factor in the
recapitalisation of the European banking system (around 108 billion) and
additional funding for other countries who suddenly find they can’t
borrow from the financial markets (Spain and Italy both possible –
Italy’s national debt is 1900 billion Euros) and you can see it needs to
be substantially bigger.
Once again the key thing here is not
necessarily the number (which clearly needs to be unimaginably big) but –
yes, you’ve guessed it - where the money comes from. Germany is in the
best position to stump up the readies but is, understandably, cautious
about how it uses its tax-payers money. The head of the EFSF is off to
Beijing on Friday – might Chinese money be used to rescue the Euro?
Given
Germany’s reluctance to bankroll the Eurozone, the solution is likely
to involve some fiendish form of financial wizardly to “leverage” the
existing fund and maximise bang for Euro. The danger here is that if the
solution ends up sounding a little too clever, a little too complex it
may fail to convince.
4) Factor in recession.
A deal
will only truly be credible if it takes into account the fact that the
Eurozone is perilously close to recession. There is a strong chance that
Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy and others are not going to get
the economic growth they need to balance budgets, repay debt and
persuade investors to lend them money.
The bailout fund needs to
be big enough and resilient enough to deal with a worst case scenario.
To that end, some economists, like the FT’s Martin Wolf, believe the
only way to ultimately reassure the market and solve the crisis is if
the European Central Bank steps forward with the promise to print as
much money as is necessary to support governments in distress.
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6:08am UK, Thursday October 27, 2011
Robert Nisbet, Europe correspondent, in Brussels
Eurozone leaders have sealed a three-part deal, which they
hope will convince markets they have an effective response to the
growing economic crisis.
Officials in Brussels said an accord had been reached with banks on a 50% write-off of 100bn euro of Greek debt.
They have also approved a complex mechanism for "leveraging" an existing bailout fund to boost its firepower.
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Reluctant banks had offered 40%, but German chancellor Angela Merkel
and French president Nicolas Sarkozy insisted that the sector had got
off relatively lightly in the crisis so far, with taxpayers bearing the
brunt of bailouts.
They said banks should be prepared to forgo a significant level of Greek repayments to help ease the crisis.
It means that, coupled with an earlier decision to recapitalise
vulnerable banks, the summit has delivered on the package it promised.
It was also agreed on Wednesday to increase the 440bn euro bailout fund, perhaps to over 1trn euro.
This would help protect larger economies such as Italy and Spain from
the market turmoil that has already pushed three countries to need
bailouts.
Merkel and Sarkozy said the banking sector needed to do more
Although no figures are included about the size of the bailout,
experts are already warning that the recapitalisation, obliging some
banks to boost liquidity by 100bn euro (£87bn), will not be enough.
EU President Herman Van Rompuy said the deal will reduce Greece's debt to 120% of its GDP in 2020.
Under current conditions, it would have grown to 180%.
Greece's prime minister George Papandreou said the deal heralded a "new era" for his country.
"These are exceptional measures for exceptional times. Europe must
never find itself in this situation again," European Commission
President Jose Manuel Barroso said after the meetings.
Mr Sarkozy told reporters: "We have reached an agreement which I
believe lets us give a credible and ambitious and overall response to
the Greek crisis.
"Because of the complexity of the issues at stake, it took us a full
night. But the results will be a source of huge relief worldwide."
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The EFSF Fund is to be increased to $1.4 trillion .....not Euros.!!!
The banks have to retain 9% liquidity and the 50% write off of the exposure to Greek debt is not going to be easy to absorb.
A former Member of the European Parliament , Guy Vohofstadt says Greece should be helped to get exports as the only way of reducing it"s
debt.
Sarkozy is reaching out to China for help.
Analysts saying these measures will take too long to implement according to the EU Timetable.
The banks have to retain 9% liquidity and the 50% write off of the exposure to Greek debt is not going to be easy to absorb.
A former Member of the European Parliament , Guy Vohofstadt says Greece should be helped to get exports as the only way of reducing it"s
debt.
Sarkozy is reaching out to China for help.
Analysts saying these measures will take too long to implement according to the EU Timetable.
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European Markets have opened higher on the news that at last decisions have been made.
Greece still has 120% debt over GDP and one German Analyst says it is impossible for Greece to ever overcome this and any new measures
Greece tries to adopt to increase taxation or raise retirement level will result in more strikes and demonstrations. The Country should have been
allowed to default 18 months ago.
Spain needs to borrow 26 Billion Euros, no news on how much Italy, or Portugal need.
EU Capitalisation may threaten East European Banks.
Sarkozy is on his way to China to try to get investment in EU Banks.
Greece still has 120% debt over GDP and one German Analyst says it is impossible for Greece to ever overcome this and any new measures
Greece tries to adopt to increase taxation or raise retirement level will result in more strikes and demonstrations. The Country should have been
allowed to default 18 months ago.
Spain needs to borrow 26 Billion Euros, no news on how much Italy, or Portugal need.
EU Capitalisation may threaten East European Banks.
Sarkozy is on his way to China to try to get investment in EU Banks.
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Apparently there is a proposal for a European Commission permanently installed in Greece to oversee the situation in Greece and promote
growth.
The 9% liquidity imposed on EU Banks does not come into effect until next June...... a lot could happen between now and then.
It is estimated that the 120% of GDP will still be there in ten years time. What is Greece to do to raise Exports when Countries all around the
World are struggling for growth.
LVAM Investments says Merkel is big winner because fiscal union is a step closer but on scrutiny there is too little detail in the plans.
growth.
The 9% liquidity imposed on EU Banks does not come into effect until next June...... a lot could happen between now and then.
It is estimated that the 120% of GDP will still be there in ten years time. What is Greece to do to raise Exports when Countries all around the
World are struggling for growth.
LVAM Investments says Merkel is big winner because fiscal union is a step closer but on scrutiny there is too little detail in the plans.
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Last Updated: 3:34PM 27/10/2011
Ed Conway, economics editor sky news
The eurozone rescue plan that was announced in the early hours is significantly better than was expected on Wednesday. But is it good enough? A quick run-through, with pros and cons.
Bank recapitalisation
European banks will have to raise a combined total of 106bn euros so they rebuild their balance sheets, specifically meeting capital ratio targets of 9%. In the first instance banks will be urged to raise that from private investors, but given they are likely to struggle to do so, governments are then permitted to step in and recapitalise them - which amounts to a semi-nationalisation of the sort Britain carried out with Northern Rock, RBS and Lloyds Banking Group.
According to the European Banking Authority, which regulates the health of banks across the continent, this will involve 70 banks raising shares, with Greece raising 30bn euros, Spain 26.2bn, Italy 14.7bn, France 8.8bn, Portugal 7.8bn and Germany 5.2bn.
Verdict:
This deal had, in all truth, been sewn up over the weekend. It is perhaps the most convincing part of the package, but there remain questions:
1. Is it big enough? The IMF referred to a shortfall of 200bn euros only a few weeks ago.
2. How can we be sure the banks will raise new capital rather than merely shrinking their balance sheets, lending out less and contributing to further economic woes throughout Europe?
3. Are the stress tests which underlie these big new numbers really plausible? Plenty of people would say they aren't.
Boosting the bail-out fund
The European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) is an emergency fund set up to support countries struggling to raise money on the capital markets. It currently has around 440bn euros of high-quality bailout cash at its disposal - though some of that is already committed.
Under the new euro plan, the remaining 250bn euros will be leveraged up so it has the effective firepower of one trillion euros. There will be two parallel schemes to leverage up the fund, though both work on the principle of essentially committing to absorb the first 20% of losses investors would face in the event of a country defaulting. The idea is that with this commitment in place, investors will be far more willing to invest in, say Italian or Spanish debt.
The eurozone will also set up a special purpose investment vehicle, backed by the same commitments, which will aim to attract investment from around the world. Hence the fact that French president Nicolas Sarkozy is turning to China to seek an infusion of investment. However, the IMF will not be able to invest directly in the Fund - its remit only allows it to give money directly to countries, as, for instance, it has done with Greece.
Verdict:
While it is at least encouraging that there has been some kind of agreement on extending the EFSF there are serious questions about the EFSF:
4. Is it big enough? Most economists thought it would need to be worth two trillion euros if it were comfortably to support Italy or Spain. Even if you assume that the EFSF might not need to be used fully, is one trillion euros a big enough bazooka to convince investors to leap back into Europe's troubled bond markets? Unlikely.
5. Is it too complex? The schemes the eurozone is using to lever up the size of the fund look suspiciously similar to the kind of complex financial engineering carried out by American financiers in the sub-prime market. Anglo-Saxon capitalism, anyone?
6. The way the plan is structured makes it highly likely France, and perhaps other euro members, will suffer a credit rating downgrade, since it imposes extra likely fiscal burdens on them given they are now having to support Greece and other struggling euro economies.
7. Where is the ECB? Most economists agree that in order for the eurozone to get through the next few years, it will have to rely on the European Central Bank to keep monetary policy loose. However, the Germans insisted that the EFSF would be extended without the help of the ECB.
Bank haircuts
Private investors who own Greek debt agreed back in July to accept a 21% reduction in the value of their investments. They are now being asked to accept a 50% reduction. The aim is to reduce the total amount of Greek debt from around 180% of the country's economic output to around 120% by 2020.
Verdict:
Where to begin with the issues?
8. This still doesn't leave the Greek public finances in what might be described as a sustainable position. Most studies have shown that when a country's debt surpasses 100% of GDP, it is at the fiscal point of no return. Moreover, an ever-increasing proportion of Greek debt is owned not by the private sector but by institutions like the ECB and other governments - so a voluntary agreement from private sector investors can only make a diminishing difference to the overall debt-load.
9. We still don't know whether it will work. The likelihood is that investors will be offered a selection of different restructuring deals, each of which will have the effect of reducing the nominal debt by 50%. However, unlike in July, we don't yet know what the menu will look like. Moreover, we can't be sure that it will actually be taken up by those investors. If the counterfactual is full-blown default where they would lose all their cash, there is an incentive to sign up. Just don't expect them to do so with much enthusiasm.
10. Although this deal will probably avoid a so-called "credit event" - a messy, disruptive, unplanned default - it will still be very painful for many blameless investors. Consider the plight of some investors who realised in recent years that their Greek bonds were likely to lose them money, and that the country could effectively default. They bought millions of dollars worth of credit default swaps - insurance policies which should pay out in the event of a Greek default. They are losing money on their Greek bonds (due to this haircut) but the insurance policy they thought would protect them (the CDS) will not pay out. So despite acting sensibly and rationally - despite them making the right investment call - they are being punished because of the peculiar contortions into which this deal has been manipulated.
Last Updated: 3:34PM 27/10/2011
Ed Conway, economics editor sky news
The eurozone rescue plan that was announced in the early hours is significantly better than was expected on Wednesday. But is it good enough? A quick run-through, with pros and cons.
Bank recapitalisation
European banks will have to raise a combined total of 106bn euros so they rebuild their balance sheets, specifically meeting capital ratio targets of 9%. In the first instance banks will be urged to raise that from private investors, but given they are likely to struggle to do so, governments are then permitted to step in and recapitalise them - which amounts to a semi-nationalisation of the sort Britain carried out with Northern Rock, RBS and Lloyds Banking Group.
According to the European Banking Authority, which regulates the health of banks across the continent, this will involve 70 banks raising shares, with Greece raising 30bn euros, Spain 26.2bn, Italy 14.7bn, France 8.8bn, Portugal 7.8bn and Germany 5.2bn.
Verdict:
This deal had, in all truth, been sewn up over the weekend. It is perhaps the most convincing part of the package, but there remain questions:
1. Is it big enough? The IMF referred to a shortfall of 200bn euros only a few weeks ago.
2. How can we be sure the banks will raise new capital rather than merely shrinking their balance sheets, lending out less and contributing to further economic woes throughout Europe?
3. Are the stress tests which underlie these big new numbers really plausible? Plenty of people would say they aren't.
Boosting the bail-out fund
The European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) is an emergency fund set up to support countries struggling to raise money on the capital markets. It currently has around 440bn euros of high-quality bailout cash at its disposal - though some of that is already committed.
Under the new euro plan, the remaining 250bn euros will be leveraged up so it has the effective firepower of one trillion euros. There will be two parallel schemes to leverage up the fund, though both work on the principle of essentially committing to absorb the first 20% of losses investors would face in the event of a country defaulting. The idea is that with this commitment in place, investors will be far more willing to invest in, say Italian or Spanish debt.
The eurozone will also set up a special purpose investment vehicle, backed by the same commitments, which will aim to attract investment from around the world. Hence the fact that French president Nicolas Sarkozy is turning to China to seek an infusion of investment. However, the IMF will not be able to invest directly in the Fund - its remit only allows it to give money directly to countries, as, for instance, it has done with Greece.
Verdict:
While it is at least encouraging that there has been some kind of agreement on extending the EFSF there are serious questions about the EFSF:
4. Is it big enough? Most economists thought it would need to be worth two trillion euros if it were comfortably to support Italy or Spain. Even if you assume that the EFSF might not need to be used fully, is one trillion euros a big enough bazooka to convince investors to leap back into Europe's troubled bond markets? Unlikely.
5. Is it too complex? The schemes the eurozone is using to lever up the size of the fund look suspiciously similar to the kind of complex financial engineering carried out by American financiers in the sub-prime market. Anglo-Saxon capitalism, anyone?
6. The way the plan is structured makes it highly likely France, and perhaps other euro members, will suffer a credit rating downgrade, since it imposes extra likely fiscal burdens on them given they are now having to support Greece and other struggling euro economies.
7. Where is the ECB? Most economists agree that in order for the eurozone to get through the next few years, it will have to rely on the European Central Bank to keep monetary policy loose. However, the Germans insisted that the EFSF would be extended without the help of the ECB.
Bank haircuts
Private investors who own Greek debt agreed back in July to accept a 21% reduction in the value of their investments. They are now being asked to accept a 50% reduction. The aim is to reduce the total amount of Greek debt from around 180% of the country's economic output to around 120% by 2020.
Verdict:
Where to begin with the issues?
8. This still doesn't leave the Greek public finances in what might be described as a sustainable position. Most studies have shown that when a country's debt surpasses 100% of GDP, it is at the fiscal point of no return. Moreover, an ever-increasing proportion of Greek debt is owned not by the private sector but by institutions like the ECB and other governments - so a voluntary agreement from private sector investors can only make a diminishing difference to the overall debt-load.
9. We still don't know whether it will work. The likelihood is that investors will be offered a selection of different restructuring deals, each of which will have the effect of reducing the nominal debt by 50%. However, unlike in July, we don't yet know what the menu will look like. Moreover, we can't be sure that it will actually be taken up by those investors. If the counterfactual is full-blown default where they would lose all their cash, there is an incentive to sign up. Just don't expect them to do so with much enthusiasm.
10. Although this deal will probably avoid a so-called "credit event" - a messy, disruptive, unplanned default - it will still be very painful for many blameless investors. Consider the plight of some investors who realised in recent years that their Greek bonds were likely to lose them money, and that the country could effectively default. They bought millions of dollars worth of credit default swaps - insurance policies which should pay out in the event of a Greek default. They are losing money on their Greek bonds (due to this haircut) but the insurance policy they thought would protect them (the CDS) will not pay out. So despite acting sensibly and rationally - despite them making the right investment call - they are being punished because of the peculiar contortions into which this deal has been manipulated.
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Apparently the EU Meeting lasted 10 hours last night and negotiations between the Banks Committee and the Eu reached deadlock. After a
time, the Banks Committee were called in and told if they didn"t agree to the 50% writeoff, Greece would be allowed to default...the Banks had
to agree.!!!
Sarcozy is reported to have received support from China and Japan plans to help.
European stocks rallied to the best day for 12 weeks, as did stocks around the World.
European Banks may look to Ireland to learn how to raise capital.
time, the Banks Committee were called in and told if they didn"t agree to the 50% writeoff, Greece would be allowed to default...the Banks had
to agree.!!!
Sarcozy is reported to have received support from China and Japan plans to help.
European stocks rallied to the best day for 12 weeks, as did stocks around the World.
European Banks may look to Ireland to learn how to raise capital.
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- Simon Jenkins
- guardian.co.uk, Thursday 27 October 2011 22.00 BST
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It was the best of deals; it was the worst of deals. Now it is Germany waving a piece of paper declaring peace in our time. Now it is Germany taking the burden of what Angela Merkel, its leader, calls "the worst crisis since the second world war". Greece has defaulted by 50% on its debt. The afflicted banks are to be aided, and the wider eurozone is to be underpinned by a trillion-euro credit line, as yet obscure in origin. The euro, and with it the ramshackle, backfiring, gold-plated jalopy of European union, is back on the road, albeit without driver or map.
The Greek default was necessary from the moment the euro was invented. The line may now be held, if sufficient growth can be stimulated fast enough to redeem the ever mounting debts. But a precedent has been set. If Italian or Spanish debts should prove unsustainable from the revenues of their citizens, the same crisis as afflicted Greece could overwhelm the new bailout fund. Socialist economies have proved the useful idiots of banker capitalism, piling liabilities on to future generations, like Gordon Brown's PFI hospitals. The day of reckoning has come, but not yet gone.
Champions of the euro breathing sighs of relief deserve no sympathy. Since its launch in 1999 they knew this would happen. They knew the preconditions for a single currency – economic convergence and an enforceable "stability and growth pact" – were not in place. They knew that putting Europe back on a sort of gold standard would not bind national economies together into a single homogeneous powerhouse. As the uncompetitive members lurched into debt, they tut-tutted about sinfulness but did nothing. Instead the eurocrats waffled on about a solution lying with closer fiscal and political union, a sort of Holy Roman Empire reborn. They knew this was rubbish. Yet I have not detected an ounce of shame for the misery this policy has inflicted on the Greeks, and will soon inflict on the Italians and the Spanish. Youth unemployment is now 46% in Spain, fighting an estimated 30% overvaluation of Spanish output against Germany. The single currency is mad, and politically dangerous.
What now? The cliche, in both Europe and America, is that the credit crunch has shown up a deficit in leadership comparable to that seen between the two world wars. But leadership derives from democracy, and that in turn derives from clearly delineated constitutions. Europe has been a constitutional shambles for half a century, with a widening gulf between its electorates and those taking increasingly intrusive decisions over them. The unpopular Lisbon treaty had to be enacted in the teeth of European public opinion. No British party had the nerve to put it to referendum.
Push now comes to shove. Merkel spoke yesterday of what is needed to realise and entrench the rescue package. It was yet more Lisbon-style fantasy. She talked of imposing German überwachung, or political discipline, on the Greek public sector. How? When she and Nicolas Sarkozy smirked over Italy's inability to curb its spending, the message was clear. Something must be done about Italy. By whom? Merkel rejected a proper European central bank to bolster the single currency, but as France pointed out, how can a currency function without one?
To Merkel all this meant "a revision of the union treaties" to reflect the new disciplines. The euro needs the support of a single fiscal regime, which would mean one European tax system, one inspectorate and one police to enforce it. It would in turn imply a single European social benefit regime, again somehow policed. It implies one government. From the start, this is what European unionists wanted, but wanting is not having.
Merkel cannot be serious. There is no way a drastic increase in the central control of the European economy will gain support from national electorates. Nor will they accept that the European parliament offers sufficient accountability. People will not be further divorced from those who run their lives and fix their taxes. Were Germany and France to impose a single socioeconomic regime on all Europe as the price for a single currency, most governments that co-operated would be voted out of office.
That is why Germany's demands will not be met. The politics will not sustain them. But if they are not to be met, what is the point of these crises, each one of which costs billions of euros and postpones the day when Europe's leaders can concentrate on growth rather than regret and redemption? As long as there is no united European state, there can be no united European currency. The euro may suit converged economies, like Germany's immediate neighbours, but it cannot be a tool of political suzerainty by Brussels over 17 diverse nations. Whatever the question, the euro is not the answer.
The marginal states of the European Union must, like Britain, revert to floating exchange rates, to take the strain of different lifestyles and working practices. Britain had to learn that painfully when Churchill adopted the gold standard in 1924. After the war Britain tied itself to the dollar and suffered. After it broke free in the 1970s it prospered. No amount of "pro-Europe" platitudinising will find jobs for millions of unemployed workers who are the euro's victims round the Mediterranean basin. No amount of patronising analysis will turn Italian farmers or Spanish fishermen into German technicians. The differences between states must be reflected in their terms of exchange. This is not a matter of being "pro- or anti-Europe". It is why the eurozone must find a way to a "managed shrink".
America has precious few messages to give Europe just now, but one is as old as the republic itself. It is that constitutions matter in confederacies. The rights and duties between related states matter. It matters how a supranational government orders a subordinate one. Sovereign assemblies must know where they stand. Voters, too, must know where they stand. Constitutions must reflect and respect tiers of responsibility or voters will rise up and defy them.
The dream of a fused Europe, like that of one America, was noble after the horrors of the 20th century. But it was unrealisable as envisaged. It instead morphed into a sanctimonious, mono-cultural elitism, dominated by the bankers and bureaucrats that have brought it to the present pass. At first the EU was just a mildly corrupt way of shuffling taxpayers' money round the continent. Under monetary union after 1999 it went both reckless and rigid. It has snapped, yet its apologists have nothing better to offer than bromides about budgetary discipline and fiscal union.
Europe is a confederation that needs a working constitution. But it needs one detoxified of "ever closer union". There must be clear boundaries of sovereign discretion. Members should be able to trade with each other free of the shackles of politico-economic union, even if the result is many un-level playing fields. The nation states of Europe must have legislative space to breathe free. That is what a new constitution should offer. We were a million miles from it today.
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France's president Nicolas Sarkozy has said it was a mistake to allow Greece into the eurozone.
In a television interview he claims the country was not ready for
membership when it joined in 2001, and used false economic figures to
gain entry.
Mr Sarkozy
likened Greece's sovereign debt crisis to the crisis at Lehman
Brothers, and said that a failure to come up with a way to help Greece
would have thrown the euro zone and world economy into disorder.
But he added that he was confident the country could emerge from its
debt crisis, thanks to the deal reached by EU leaders early on Thursday
morning.
What Was Agreed?
Meanwhile, it has been suggested that China could come to the rescue
of the eurozone by contributing around $100bn to its bailout fund.
Two senior advisers to the Chinese government told the Financial
Times it was "very likely" to put money into the European Financial
Stability Fund (EFSF).
But they say any contribution would have to be given strong guarantees and would depend on the input from other countries.
Lionel Barber on Jeff Randall
Li Daokui, an academic member of China's central bank monetary policy
committee, told the paper: "It is in China's long term and intrinsic
interest to help Europe because they are our biggest trading partner.
"But the chief concern of the Chinese government is how to explain
this decision to our own people. The last thing China wants is to throw
away the country's wealth and be seen as just a source of dumb money."
Financial Times editor Lionel Barber told Sky's Jeff Randall show:
"The Chinese have signalled interest. We spoke to two senior officials,
one being a member of the monetary policy committee so someone quite
close to the central bank and powers that be.
"They are saying they are very likely but with conditions and one of
those will be who else is coming in. The largest trade partner for China
is Europe so they have got a lot at stake. This is not a gesture of
magnanimity."
The reports came after Mr Sarkozy and Chinese leader Hu Jintao spoke on the phone on Thursday and pledged to cooperate to revive global growth.
The fund's chief executive is due to visit Beijing on Friday to talk to potential investors.
In a television interview he claims the country was not ready for
membership when it joined in 2001, and used false economic figures to
gain entry.
Mr Sarkozy
likened Greece's sovereign debt crisis to the crisis at Lehman
Brothers, and said that a failure to come up with a way to help Greece
would have thrown the euro zone and world economy into disorder.
But he added that he was confident the country could emerge from its
debt crisis, thanks to the deal reached by EU leaders early on Thursday
morning.
What Was Agreed?
- :: Banks and private investors to take 50% loss on Greek government debt
:: Rescue fund known as the EFSF to be boosted to 1trn euros
:: Banks told to increase core cash reserves to 9% by next June
Meanwhile, it has been suggested that China could come to the rescue
of the eurozone by contributing around $100bn to its bailout fund.
Two senior advisers to the Chinese government told the Financial
Times it was "very likely" to put money into the European Financial
Stability Fund (EFSF).
But they say any contribution would have to be given strong guarantees and would depend on the input from other countries.
Lionel Barber on Jeff Randall
Li Daokui, an academic member of China's central bank monetary policy
committee, told the paper: "It is in China's long term and intrinsic
interest to help Europe because they are our biggest trading partner.
"But the chief concern of the Chinese government is how to explain
this decision to our own people. The last thing China wants is to throw
away the country's wealth and be seen as just a source of dumb money."
Financial Times editor Lionel Barber told Sky's Jeff Randall show:
"The Chinese have signalled interest. We spoke to two senior officials,
one being a member of the monetary policy committee so someone quite
close to the central bank and powers that be.
"They are saying they are very likely but with conditions and one of
those will be who else is coming in. The largest trade partner for China
is Europe so they have got a lot at stake. This is not a gesture of
magnanimity."
The reports came after Mr Sarkozy and Chinese leader Hu Jintao spoke on the phone on Thursday and pledged to cooperate to revive global growth.
The fund's chief executive is due to visit Beijing on Friday to talk to potential investors.
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Italy debt is 120% of GDP, as bad as Greece, yet the austerity measures proposed include a Pension Plan which increases the age to 67 yrs,
but this does not take affect until 2025.!!!! Also, an Italian President after only one term of Office gets E 5,000 a month but an Italian
worker gets E1000 at age 65.
William Hague says any changes made to the Treaty must be made by all 27 Members, especially if the IMF are funding the EFSF account.
Harvard Economist says Greece with default within the next decade.
U.S. Asset Manager says the Chinese will be very polite, listen to the EU request for help but demand a pound of flesh, such as Trade
freedom in EU Countries or decline to offer support.
Angela Merkel is seen as a strong leader by the EU Countries and hopes this will help her win the German Election next year.
but this does not take affect until 2025.!!!! Also, an Italian President after only one term of Office gets E 5,000 a month but an Italian
worker gets E1000 at age 65.
William Hague says any changes made to the Treaty must be made by all 27 Members, especially if the IMF are funding the EFSF account.
Harvard Economist says Greece with default within the next decade.
U.S. Asset Manager says the Chinese will be very polite, listen to the EU request for help but demand a pound of flesh, such as Trade
freedom in EU Countries or decline to offer support.
Angela Merkel is seen as a strong leader by the EU Countries and hopes this will help her win the German Election next year.
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David Cameron has said London's financial sector is under constant assault
from EU rules and regulations.
In his first comments since Wednesday's Eurozone crisis summit, the Prime
Minister said the UK's finance industry is a key national interest that must be
defended.
His comments appear to be the latest sign that infighting is breaking out
among the European nations, and come as France's president Nicolas Sarkozy hits
out at Greece.
In a television interview, he said it was a mistake to allow the country into
the Eurozone.
Mr Sarkozy claimed Greece was not ready for membership
when it joined in 2001, and used false economic figures to gain entry.
He likened Greece's sovereign debt crisis to the crisis at Lehman Brothers,
and said that a failure to come up with a way to help them would have thrown the
Eurozone and world economy into disorder.
What Was Agreed?
But he added that he was confident the country could emerge from its debt
crisis, thanks to the deal reached by EU leaders early on Thursday morning.
Meanwhile, it has been suggested that China could come to the rescue of the
Eurozone by contributing around $100bn to its bailout fund.
Two senior advisers to the Chinese government told the Financial Times it was
"very likely" to put money into the European Financial Stability Fund
(EFSF).
But they say any contribution would have to be given strong guarantees and
would depend on the input from other countries.
Lionel Barber on Jeff Randall
Li Daokui, an academic member of China's central bank monetary policy
committee, told the paper: "It is in China's long term and intrinsic interest to
help Europe because they are our biggest trading partner.
"But the chief concern of the Chinese government is how to explain this
decision to our own people. The last thing China wants is to throw away the
country's wealth and be seen as just a source of dumb money."
Financial Times editor Lionel Barber told Sky's Jeff Randall show: "The
Chinese have signalled interest. We spoke to two senior officials, one being a
member of the monetary policy committee so someone quite close to the central
bank and powers that be.
"They are saying they are very likely but with conditions and one of those
will be who else is coming in. The largest trade partner for China is Europe so
they have got a lot at stake. This is not a gesture of magnanimity."
The reports came after Mr Sarkozy and Chinese leader Hu Jintao spoke on the phone on Thursday
and pledged to cooperate to revive global growth.
The fund's chief executive is due to visit Beijing later to talk to potential
investors.
from EU rules and regulations.
In his first comments since Wednesday's Eurozone crisis summit, the Prime
Minister said the UK's finance industry is a key national interest that must be
defended.
His comments appear to be the latest sign that infighting is breaking out
among the European nations, and come as France's president Nicolas Sarkozy hits
out at Greece.
In a television interview, he said it was a mistake to allow the country into
the Eurozone.
Mr Sarkozy claimed Greece was not ready for membership
when it joined in 2001, and used false economic figures to gain entry.
He likened Greece's sovereign debt crisis to the crisis at Lehman Brothers,
and said that a failure to come up with a way to help them would have thrown the
Eurozone and world economy into disorder.
What Was Agreed?
- :: Banks and private investors to take 50% loss on Greek government debt
:: Rescue fund known as the EFSF to be boosted to 1trn euros
:: Banks told to increase core cash reserves to 9% by next June
But he added that he was confident the country could emerge from its debt
crisis, thanks to the deal reached by EU leaders early on Thursday morning.
Meanwhile, it has been suggested that China could come to the rescue of the
Eurozone by contributing around $100bn to its bailout fund.
Two senior advisers to the Chinese government told the Financial Times it was
"very likely" to put money into the European Financial Stability Fund
(EFSF).
But they say any contribution would have to be given strong guarantees and
would depend on the input from other countries.
Lionel Barber on Jeff Randall
Li Daokui, an academic member of China's central bank monetary policy
committee, told the paper: "It is in China's long term and intrinsic interest to
help Europe because they are our biggest trading partner.
"But the chief concern of the Chinese government is how to explain this
decision to our own people. The last thing China wants is to throw away the
country's wealth and be seen as just a source of dumb money."
Financial Times editor Lionel Barber told Sky's Jeff Randall show: "The
Chinese have signalled interest. We spoke to two senior officials, one being a
member of the monetary policy committee so someone quite close to the central
bank and powers that be.
"They are saying they are very likely but with conditions and one of those
will be who else is coming in. The largest trade partner for China is Europe so
they have got a lot at stake. This is not a gesture of magnanimity."
The reports came after Mr Sarkozy and Chinese leader Hu Jintao spoke on the phone on Thursday
and pledged to cooperate to revive global growth.
The fund's chief executive is due to visit Beijing later to talk to potential
investors.
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The EFSF Chief Executive has said the team is in negotiations with China and confirmed the Chinese have been buying Bonds, but he has not
said they have agreed to increase the EFSF Fund.
Banco Populare the Spanish Bank has released it"s profit, slightly less than last year. Problem is there are so many bad assets on it"s books
from Real Estate totalling E300 Billion that it is difficult to see what assets it can sell. The unemployment rate in Spain is 5 million which is very
high but there is an election on 20th November and a change of Government is expected.
said they have agreed to increase the EFSF Fund.
Banco Populare the Spanish Bank has released it"s profit, slightly less than last year. Problem is there are so many bad assets on it"s books
from Real Estate totalling E300 Billion that it is difficult to see what assets it can sell. The unemployment rate in Spain is 5 million which is very
high but there is an election on 20th November and a change of Government is expected.
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