Two words to haunt any mum: ‘If only . . .’
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Notes from a Potting Shedder
Sunday, 7 October 2012
If only... a luxury that cannot be afforded.
An article popped up in the Daily Wail last week, entitled 'If only...' and compared the missing April Jones case to the McCann case.
I'm not sure what Kate's if onlys would be...
If only we'd stayed with the children...
If only we'd taken the children with us...
If only we'd not gone out on the piss.
If only we'd booked 4 individual tables to accomodate high chairs and prams, instead of booking a table solely for 9 adults.
There really is no comparison with the two cases.
A five year old playing out with her friends in a familiar place while her mother made her tea.
A four year old left alone with her younger siblings in an unlocked apartment, in a strange country while her parents drank and dined with friends.
A sad part of this case is that April was allowed an extra 10 minutes play as a reward for a glowing school report. Are the Jones' if onlys expected to include...
If only we hadn't praised her?
There's no doubt that both these children would still be here if they'd been under adult supervision, however in April's case it appears a malevolant threat was there all along - not a 'high risk strategy' or 'window of opportunity'.
The only parallels in the two cases seem to be the Portuguese and British police investigations -
Both children believed to be dead.
Both children hidden by someone very close.
Both children are still missing.
Yet the difference is monumentous - after 5 days April is dead... after 5 years Madeleine is missing?
We don't know what leads Dyfed Powys police have to believe that little April is not with us any more but I will have a tiny glimmer of hope until she's found. Something I've never had for Madeleline. Sadly.
My thoughts are with the family at this very difficult time.
http://thepottingshedder.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/if-only-luxury-that-cannot-be-afforded.html
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I'm not sure what Kate's if onlys would be...
If only we'd stayed with the children... (Nope, this would be admitting that what they did was wrong)
If only we'd taken the children with us... (Nope, this would be admitting placing their own needs above those of their children)
If only we'd not gone out on the piss... (Nope, this would be admitting blatant disregard for their children's welfare)
How about: If only we'd hired a babysitter or left the children in the night creche? (I find it very strange that the McCanns have never stated that they should have hired someone to look after their children. They still maintain that the better option was to leave the children alone rather than have some "stranger" look after them. Better option for whom - the children or the parents? Clearly not the children. However, this option allowed the parents to not have to pay any child minding fees as well as not to have to worry about being disturbed by a child minder if one of the children needed to be attended to whilst they were getting so into their friends.)
There really is no "if only" in the McCann case that does not make them appear to be the cheap, selfish, negligent, and loathesome pair that they are.
If only we'd stayed with the children... (Nope, this would be admitting that what they did was wrong)
If only we'd taken the children with us... (Nope, this would be admitting placing their own needs above those of their children)
If only we'd not gone out on the piss... (Nope, this would be admitting blatant disregard for their children's welfare)
How about: If only we'd hired a babysitter or left the children in the night creche? (I find it very strange that the McCanns have never stated that they should have hired someone to look after their children. They still maintain that the better option was to leave the children alone rather than have some "stranger" look after them. Better option for whom - the children or the parents? Clearly not the children. However, this option allowed the parents to not have to pay any child minding fees as well as not to have to worry about being disturbed by a child minder if one of the children needed to be attended to whilst they were getting so into their friends.)
There really is no "if only" in the McCann case that does not make them appear to be the cheap, selfish, negligent, and loathesome pair that they are.
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If only gerry McCann had hadn't persuaded Kate McCann to carry on this fairytale, they could off been living with regrets, yes, but at least they would off grieved and the twins and themselves could off moved on by now.
If only, Kate....if only.
If only you had told the truth....if only....
If only, Kate....if only.
If only you had told the truth....if only....
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If only the British Government had not interfered maybe the Portugese would have been allowed to do their job.
If only Rachel Mapilly hadn't phoned her friend who in turn told the U.K. Press within a couple of hours of finding Madeleine missing, World publicity would not have mushroomed and PDL would not be over-run by Reporters.
If only the McCanns had co-operated more instead of employing their own Detectives .
If only more notice had been taken of John Buck's advice to the Foreign Office .
If only Rachel Mapilly hadn't phoned her friend who in turn told the U.K. Press within a couple of hours of finding Madeleine missing, World publicity would not have mushroomed and PDL would not be over-run by Reporters.
If only the McCanns had co-operated more instead of employing their own Detectives .
If only more notice had been taken of John Buck's advice to the Foreign Office .
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kitti wrote:If only gerry McCann had hadn't persuaded Kate McCann to carry on this fairytale, they could off been living with regrets, yes, but at least they would off grieved and the twins and themselves could off moved on by now.
If only, Kate....if only.
If only you had told the truth....if only....
Do you think they wish they had Kitti ? Do narcissists have regrets ? They have told us that they have persecuted themselves but they dont like to go into it...too much,remind us that the abductor is the bad guy...but they could forgive the abductor...not their critics though...wtf
If the McCanns claim was true there would be so many If onlys,the last if only would be Gerry...having one of his poignant moments...deciding to sod the tapas & stay with his beautiful children.
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You only have to look at her interview lately......she wants this to be over like she did a few years ago.
Good old Gerry has left her to it......
It only Kate ...if only.
Good old Gerry has left her to it......
It only Kate ...if only.
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The obvious "if only" in real life, is if only we did not go on that holiday, if only we had been happy to go to Donegal at Easter then leave holidays alone until Summer time.
I am not aware of Kate every saying this. Yes, we are treated to her "funny feeling" about the holiday when they spoke about going during Christmas time,and in her book she says she would like to go back to the day before Madeleine was taken and look carefully to see who was watching etc. etc.
I have never heard her say if only we had not gone on that stupid holiday. They had been away with the kids a few weeks previous so did not "need" another holiday with children of that age.
Nothing though, no regret or remorse at going on the holiday to begin with. Weird.
I am not aware of Kate every saying this. Yes, we are treated to her "funny feeling" about the holiday when they spoke about going during Christmas time,and in her book she says she would like to go back to the day before Madeleine was taken and look carefully to see who was watching etc. etc.
I have never heard her say if only we had not gone on that stupid holiday. They had been away with the kids a few weeks previous so did not "need" another holiday with children of that age.
Nothing though, no regret or remorse at going on the holiday to begin with. Weird.
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She has denied saying she had a 'funny feeling even though one off women has said she said it.
In 2008 in an interview she said she wished it was all over then counteracted it with..'with Madeleine being here off course'.
The problem was I think, Gerry goes out anyway with or without her, he didn't really care....and Kate McCann decided on going out with him and left Madeleine alone....I don't believe the twins were in that apt alone I think they were elsewhere being looked After, each night, by one off the tapas lot.
In 2008 in an interview she said she wished it was all over then counteracted it with..'with Madeleine being here off course'.
The problem was I think, Gerry goes out anyway with or without her, he didn't really care....and Kate McCann decided on going out with him and left Madeleine alone....I don't believe the twins were in that apt alone I think they were elsewhere being looked After, each night, by one off the tapas lot.
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jinvta wrote:I'm not sure what Kate's if onlys would be...
If only we'd stayed with the children... (Nope, this would be admitting that what they did was wrong)
If only we'd taken the children with us... (Nope, this would be admitting placing their own needs above those of their children)
If only we'd not gone out on the piss... (Nope, this would be admitting blatant disregard for their children's welfare)
How about: If only we'd hired a babysitter or left the children in the night creche? (I find it very strange that the McCanns have never stated that they should have hired someone to look after their children. They still maintain that the better option was to leave the children alone rather than have some "stranger" look after them. Better option for whom - the children or the parents? Clearly not the children. However, this option allowed the parents to not have to pay any child minding fees as well as not to have to worry about being disturbed by a child minder if one of the children needed to be attended to whilst they were getting so into their friends.)
There really is no "if only" in the McCann case that does not make them appear to be the cheap, selfish,
negligent, and loathesome pair that they are.
Why did Kate state in the truthful book that she would not be happy having a 'stranger' look after her children when if she had hired a baysitter it would have been one of the nannies who ran the daytime creche who the children knew? And Kate praises the nannies in the book.
She doesn't say in the book or elsewhere, if only all the nannies hadn't been booked when I tried to book one
She didn't say it because clearly she didn't try to book one. Clearly her children were not worth the £9/£10 ph charge. How can doctors afford that?!
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James wrote:jinvta wrote:I'm not sure what Kate's if onlys would be...
If only we'd stayed with the children... (Nope, this would be admitting that what they did was wrong)
If only we'd taken the children with us... (Nope, this would be admitting placing their own needs above those of their children)
If only we'd not gone out on the piss... (Nope, this would be admitting blatant disregard for their children's welfare)
How about: If only we'd hired a babysitter or left the children in the night creche? (I find it very strange that the McCanns have never stated that they should have hired someone to look after their children. They still maintain that the better option was to leave the children alone rather than have some "stranger" look after them. Better option for whom - the children or the parents? Clearly not the children. However, this option allowed the parents to not have to pay any child minding fees as well as not to have to worry about being disturbed by a child minder if one of the children needed to be attended to whilst they were getting so into their friends.)
There really is no "if only" in the McCann case that does not make them appear to be the cheap, selfish,
negligent, and loathesome pair that they are.
Why did Kate state in the truthful book that she would not be happy having a 'stranger' look after her children when if she had hired a baysitter it would have been one of the nannies who ran the daytime creche who the children knew? And Kate praises the nannies in the book.
She doesn't say in the book or elsewhere, if only all the nannies hadn't been booked when I tried to book one
She didn't say it because clearly she didn't try to book one. Clearly her children were not worth the £9/£10 ph charge. How can doctors afford that?!
Hi James
In one media interview, which the McCanns gave back in 2007, I remember them being asked if Madeleine could have walked out of their unlocked apartment. Kate said, it was impossible because when their children were asleep, they never woke up.
The McCanns were then asked why didn't they either take the children to the evening creche or use one of the creche's nannies to babysit. Kate said, they didn't take the children to the evening creche, because their children had a strict bedtime regime. She then said, they didn't want to use a nanny as a babysitter, because they didn't want their children to wake up and find a stranger in the apartment.
She had forgotten that she had already said the children never woke up, she had also forgotten that the nanny who would have babysat the children, was a nanny who looked after the twins in the creche, although I'm not sure if she would have been a nanny at the "Kid's Club" where Madeleine attended.
I have said previously that for 12 months the McCanns had always denied the reports of their children crying. They always said their children never woke up, once they were asleep. The McCanns later gave a media interview, which was televised on the first anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance. It was in this interview, where I heard Kate McCann say what Madeleine supposedly told her, on the morning of the evening she supposedly vanished.
Kate said she had told the police what Madeleine had said, when they came to investigate Madeleine's disappearance. If this was the case, why on earth had Kate always disputed the reports of the children crying? She knew that everytime she said the reports of the crying were untrue, she was lying.
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I don't know if this quote from Fiona Payne's first witness statement has been mentioned before. She states that the children were in a club which the other couples visited regularly to check that they were okay.
Maybe it's a translation error but it does gives credence to the belief that the children weren't left alone.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE.htm
Maybe it's a translation error but it does gives credence to the belief that the children weren't left alone.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE.htm
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kathybelle,
Good liars must have good memories, and Kate seems to have a very poor memory. If the children truly NEVER woke up, then what would be the point of conducting a listening check or any check at all for that matter? If the children truly never woke up, then they could just be left alone for hours on end. Something does not add up.
Good liars must have good memories, and Kate seems to have a very poor memory. If the children truly NEVER woke up, then what would be the point of conducting a listening check or any check at all for that matter? If the children truly never woke up, then they could just be left alone for hours on end. Something does not add up.
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The star chart that was seen in Kate's kitchen - a reward for every time Madeleine stayed in her own bed all night - would not be needed for a child who never woke up after being put to bed for the night.
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Has anyone seen the comments? Vast majority are rightly pointing out no similarity because Maddie was abandoned. Mcs won't like that.
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Comments where? Do you have a link? I would like to read them.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2213651/Two-words-haunt-mum--If---.html
I'm presuming it's the comments at the end of the article. Goodness knows how some of them haven't been whooshed!
I'm presuming it's the comments at the end of the article. Goodness knows how some of them haven't been whooshed!
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