Lisbon Libel Trial McCanns v Amaral

fred wrote:

Wintabells wrote:Is this libel trial in front of a jury, or is it being heard by solely the judge (does anyone know?)

Also, I thought it was up to the jury/judge to decide on damages (if the defendant is found guilty) and not the plaintiff, so I'm confused by the reports that the McC's are suing Mr Amaral for £1m.

Usually, but not always, it is in front of three judges.  As for the damages, no idea.

The McCanns can ask for all the money in the world but that does not mean that they will be awarded the amount they ask for. I don't believe that any judge would award £ 1m in damages. In fact, they would be lucky if they received € 10.000,--. Those people are only motivated by greed.

There's only one judge, Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro. It's a first instance judgement. Appeal is possible.

AnneGuedes wrote:There's only one judge, Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro. It's a first instance judgement. Appeal is possible.

Thank you, obrigado.

AnneGuedes wrote:There's only one judge, Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro. It's a first instance judgement. Appeal is possible.

And if they lose, they will appeal. They never give up when there's the smallest chance of MONEY. Searching, now that's a different matter, they're really too busy defending their 'reputation.'

ANY IDEA WHEN WE WILL LEARN OF THE VERDICT.

Badboy wrote:ANY IDEA WHEN WE WILL LEARN OF THE VERDICT.

The last session was scheduled on the 5th of November, before the interruption of last 13th due to a personal problem of the judge.

AnneGuedes wrote:There's only one judge, Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro. It's a first instance judgement. Appeal is possible.

If it gets to that Anne  imo the mccanns reputation will be in tatters, the uk media will have a field day, pay back time, this is why Kate looks like she does, no Gerry out there to support his wife....they kno this is the final curtain call!

Lillyofthevalley wrote:

AnneGuedes wrote:There's only one judge, Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro. It's a first instance judgement. Appeal is possible.

If it gets to that Anne  imo the mccanns reputation will be in tatters, the uk media will have a field day, pay back time, this is why Kate looks like she does, no Gerry out there to support his wife....they kno this is the final curtain call!

Well Mr McCann might realize now that saying "it will be fine" doesn't always work, i.e saying this doesn't turn things fine..

fred wrote:

AnneGuedes wrote:There's only one judge, Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro. It's a first instance judgement. Appeal is possible.

Thank you, obrigado.

And thankyou from me, too.

Lillyofthevalley wrote:

AnneGuedes wrote:There's only one judge, Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro. It's a first instance judgement. Appeal is possible.

If it gets to that Anne  imo the mccanns reputation will be in tatters, the uk media will have a field day, pay back time, this is why Kate looks like she does, no Gerry out there to support his wife....they kno this is the final curtain call!

Thank you and welcome AnneGuedes, your kind feedback from the libel case proceedings is valuable, and enormously appreciated here!  

It seems after desperately trying to settle out of court with Dr Amaral, the McCanns have been forced to go the whole nine yards, and as a result given Goncalo Amaral's book and film additional publicity.

This libel case will slowly but surely wreck Team McCanns costly efforts to suppress the damaging official information. Then there's the Gaspar statements sitting there waiting to rise from the vaults.   This all scares the doctors' McCann witless (imo).

Lilly, roll on that final curtain call, it's been a long time coming!

AnneGuedes wrote:

Lillyofthevalley wrote:

AnneGuedes wrote:There's only one judge, Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro. It's a first instance judgement. Appeal is possible.

If it gets to that Anne  imo the mccanns reputation will be in tatters, the uk media will have a field day, pay back time, this is why Kate looks like she does, no Gerry out there to support his wife....they kno this is the final curtain call!

Well Mr McCann might realize now that saying "it will be fine" doesn't always work, i.e saying this doesn't turn things fine..

I wonder how big his student overdraft is now.

Merci beaucoup Anne for this very detailed report especially, as I understood ,the conditions were not ideal ( heat and position of the witnesses).
E.L wasn't very accurate : for example she said the book was available in England but she didn't know if it was on the net ?!And nobody reacted!

I just checked on Justice forum and saw that the sequel is done:

"Libel trial > McCann v Gonçalo Amaral - Day 1 Witness No 3 ( Edgar). Merci again


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2240.0;attach=2630

Sequel Day 2 first witness:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=r2lf90g05b2c59sbhv3vrdi514&action=dlattach;topic=2273.0;attach=2631

"Libel Trial > McCann v Gonçalo Amaral - Day 2 Witness No 1
The testimony as it happened...
(13.09.2013, 10am) David Trickey. He is a psychologist. He was contracted by Madeleine's parents concerning the twins. He went to PDL to meet them, then had some conversations on the phone with the McCanns, but only two meetings (without the twins).
1) McCann family lawyer, Isabel Duarte, is the first to question the witness.........

James wrote:

AnneGuedes wrote:There's only one judge, Maria Emilia de Melo e Castro. It's a first instance judgement. Appeal is possible.

And if they lose, they will appeal. They never give up when there's the smallest chance of MONEY.  Searching, now that's a different matter, they're really too busy defending their 'reputation.'

That doesn't necessarily follow.They were obviously advised to try and settle having lost the appeal overturning the ban. Everytime they lose it is costing them (or the fund) money (both their costs and Amaral's). If they lose they might say they will appeal but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't and just hope no-one notices.

frencheuropean wrote:Sequel Day 2 first witness:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=r2lf90g05b2c59sbhv3vrdi514&action=dlattach;topic=2273.0;attach=2631

"Libel Trial > McCann v Gonçalo Amaral - Day 2 Witness No 1
The testimony as it happened...
(13.09.2013, 10am) David Trickey. He is a psychologist. He was contracted by Madeleine's parents concerning the twins. He went to PDL to meet them, then had some conversations on the phone with the McCanns, but only two meetings (without the twins).
1) McCann family lawyer, Isabel Duarte, is the first to question the witness.........

It is interesting that Trickery makes a big play that the children (the twins) need to feel safe and secure but has little to say about their feelings of security and safety being left alone. It appears it was a line of questioning Amaral's lawyer wanted to to pursue but was prevented from doing so.

It was a bit of an own goal for the M's when it was pointed out that the book conclusions bore a striking similarity to the quote from the files. Trickery's only response was the book was more accessible which must be debatable since in this country both are equally findable via google.

Chris wrote:

frencheuropean wrote:Sequel Day 2 first witness:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?PHPSESSID=r2lf90g05b2c59sbhv3vrdi514&action=dlattach;topic=2273.0;attach=2631

"Libel Trial > McCann v Gonçalo Amaral - Day 2 Witness No 1
The testimony as it happened...
(13.09.2013, 10am) David Trickey. He is a psychologist. He was contracted by Madeleine's parents concerning the twins. He went to PDL to meet them, then had some conversations on the phone with the McCanns, but only two meetings (without the twins).
1) McCann family lawyer, Isabel Duarte, is the first to question the witness.........

It is interesting that Trickery makes a big play that the children (the twins) need to feel safe and secure but has little to say about their feelings of security and safety being left alone. It appears it was a line of questioning Amaral's lawyer wanted to to pursue but was prevented from doing so.

It was a bit of an own goal for the M's when it was pointed out that the book conclusions bore a striking similarity to the quote from the files. Trickery's only response was the book was more accessible which must be debatable since in this country both are equally findable via google.

One of the defense lawyers did ask Trickey if having been left alone could have been traumatic for the twins?

One of the defense lawyers did ask Trickey if having been left alone could have been traumatic for the twins?
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And to test this 'theory'........... Kate and Gerry did just THAT, every night of THEIR 'holiday'!

frencheuropean wrote:Merci beaucoup Anne for this very detailed report especially, as I understood ,the conditions were not ideal ( heat and position of the witnesses).
E.L wasn't very accurate : for example she said the book was available in England but she didn't know if it was on the net ?!And nobody reacted!

Hi Frencheuropean ! It's clear the McCanns don't have a "professional" translation of the book. The UK witnesses who read the book did it out of charge. "Madeleine"'s royalties were very well protected..
The lawyers don't know the case as well as we do.. I wonder how we can help.
I fear the video conferences (Alipio Ribeiro, Melchior Gomes and Moita Flores) that were scheduled on the 19th (though Isabel Duarte told me both 19 and 20 were "hers"), almost inaudible in 2010, it would be better if we were two.
Take care !

Bonjour Anne.
You should be enroled as G.Amaral's witness. Go and try, may be it's not too late! The last minute crucial witness, like in Grisham's novels.Seriously, I think you could help a lot!

Just a big thank you to AnneGuedes for your transcripts and to say I'm pleased that you joined us.  

AnnaEsse wrote:Just a big thank you to AnneGuedes for your transcripts and to say I'm pleased that you joined us.  

Hear, hear  

Chris wrote:
It is interesting that Trickery makes a big play that the children (the twins) need to feel safe and secure but has little to say about their feelings of security and safety being left alone. It appears it was a line of questioning Amaral's lawyer wanted to to pursue but was prevented from doing so.

It was a bit of an own goal for the M's when it was pointed out that the book conclusions bore a striking similarity to the quote from the files. Trickery's only response was the book was more accessible which must be debatable since in this country both are equally findable via google.

Some of the overruled questions were because, the judge argued, otherwise we'll never come out of this. What is examined is the effect of the book on the twins' feeling of security and development, not the effect of their awareness of having been left alone by their parents.

AnneGuedes wrote:

Chris wrote:
It is interesting that Trickery makes a big play that the children (the twins) need to feel safe and secure but has little to say about their feelings of security and safety being left alone. It appears it was a line of questioning Amaral's lawyer wanted to to pursue but was prevented from doing so.

It was a bit of an own goal for the M's when it was pointed out that the book conclusions bore a striking similarity to the quote from the files. Trickery's only response was the book was more accessible which must be debatable since in this country both are equally findable via google.

Some of the overruled questions were because, the judge argued, otherwise we'll never come out of this. What is examined is the effect of the book on the twins' feeling of security and development, not the effect of their awareness of having been left alone by their parents.

Hi AnneGuedes, I didn't think the Book had been translated into English, so how can the twins read it? Similarly, the video on youtube is a reconstruction of the night of 3rd May and is not offensive, but has done more damage because youtube has a worldwide audiance. Gerry went with Smethurst, a Director of NSU , to Portugal, I presume to engage a Lawyer . Smethurst is a Corporate Lawyer for Kennedy (which tells you something) and the McCanns must have been cockahoop winning £600,000 from the Express so they thought they would fleece Amaral , but they didn't bargain for him winning an appeal. 

Welcome to you, AnneGuedes

Good job with the reports

"not the effect of their awareness of having been left alone by their parents"

THEY will find that out sooner rather than later, imo. when mummy Kate explains to them that they too could have both been 'abducted' because she and daddy were totally out of sight enjoying their dinner.

Panda wrote:Smethurst is a Corporate Lawyer for Kennedy (which tells you something) and the McCanns must have been cockahoop winning £600,000 from the Express so they thought they would fleece  Amaral , but they didn't bargain for him winning an appeal. 

The effect of the arguido status, as it was treated by the media, was much more dramatic than the book's effect. It changed for ever the perspective, even if believers' faith remained intact. There's no way to escape what happened in the beginning of September 2007, no way to bypass this when talking to the twins. And imo they should start speaking to them. After telling this, the fact a police inspector (who was substituted, good argument for them) didn't believe them will be anecdotal.
the difficulty concerning the twins isn't what Mr Amaral thinks, that Madeleine died and her body was concealed in order to make believe she was abducted, the difficulty is lying to your own kids. Parents are the only ones you can tell everything, even shameful things, who will love you all the same. But trust is basic.
I'm afraid this trial is another pretext for not facing reality.